Joe Wilson Apolgizes to Rahm Emanuel & Obama

[Yonivore]

he's a liar!
Or, he read the bill as closely as did most legislators of the Stimulus bill.

Not every piece of legislation becomes a hill one is willing to die on, even when there are provisions with which you disagree.

That doesn't make you a hypocrite, it makes you a politician -- a realist one, at that.

Now, if you find me some quotes with him extolling the virtues of providing health care to illegal aliens, indicating he had exerted the same amount of effort to understand every nuance of that bill, as he has the current HR3200...you might have a point.

[MannyIsGod]

Yeah, I saw where the guy (his ostensible opponent) got a $400,000 (now up to a cool million) boost since the comment.

But, today, there's this.

S.C.'s Wilson Rakes In $750,000 in Less Than 48 Hours; Opponent Tops $1 Million (http://voices.washingtonpost.com/capitol-briefing/2009/09/scs_wilson_rakes_in_750000_in.html)

I'd be interested to know the source of funds -- given to both camps. Were they from the constituent base or some national effort to capitalize on the incident.

Anyway, depending on how sustained the giving is to both, neither number is a definitive sign that Wilson was humiliated.


National campaigns. I got several emails asking for donations and I know DailyKos tried (and did) to raise a great deal of funds in 24 hours.

[clambake]

Or, he read the bill as closely as did most legislators of the Stimulus bill.

Not every piece of legislation becomes a hill one is willing to die on, even when there are provisions with which you disagree.

That doesn't make you a hypocrite, it makes you a politician -- a realist one, at that.

Now, if you find me some quotes with him extolling the virtues of providing health care to illegal aliens, indicating he had exerted the same amount of effort to understand every nuance of that bill, as he has the current HR3200...you might have a point.

thats what i said...he's a liar!

[Yonivore]

National campaigns. I got several emails asking for donations and I know DailyKos tried (and did) to raise a great deal of funds in 24 hours.
What really counts is what is being given by the people who will be voting for them.

Not that it counts in whether or not he's re-elected but, that it counts in whether or not he should feel humiliated. As long as his constituents are happy with him...he's golden.

[Yonivore]

Someone took the time to assemble this so, I thought, why not put it in here. Seemed topical.

Democrat civility on display...
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Certainly, I would interested in seeing a similar collection of Republicans (or others) engaged in similar behavior. And, feel free to put the above in their proper context if you think it will justify the behavior.

Also, please note that I excluded several clips that featured radical organizations and personalities because, well, it is unreasonable to expect civility from the likes of Bill Maher, Keith Olbermann, Code Pink, that Moore guy, and others.

I thought it'd be better if we stuck to our elected officials, from whom I think it is reasonable to expect a modicum of respectful behavior.

[ChumpDumper]

I see two that are relevant, so I guess that's more than one.

Does that excuse Wilson's behavior?

[jman3000]

How tall is Rahm? 5'5?

Dude looks like he could get down though. Isn't he ex-Israeli special forces or some shit?

[Yonivore]

I see two that are relevant, so I guess that's more than one.

Does that excuse Wilson's behavior?
Nope. Just highlights the hypocrisy of Democrats.

It also demonstrates how disingenuous is their declarations of shock over the break in decorum and display of incivility.

And, I was serious about finding similar videos of Republicans. I'm positive I can find more with Democrats featured because, I remember rants that aren't highlighted here...particularly in Committee footage. But, I'm not as convinced a similar collection can be mustered demonstrating Republican incivility.

[ChumpDumper]

So your only defense of Wilson's behavior is "Democrats do it too!"

Hypocrisy, indeed.

[Yonivore]

And, while not completely relevant to this thread, it is a break in decorum, of sorts. It's also damn funny...

A Tale of 140 Characters, Plus the Ones in Congress (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/02/24/AR2009022403424.html)


It's a case of Twittering while Rome burns.

President Obama spoke of economic calamity and war last night in that solemn rite of democracy, the address to the joint session of Congress. And lawmakers watched him with the dignity Americans have come to expect of their leaders: They whipped out their BlackBerrys and began sending text messages like high school kids bored in math class.

"One doesn't want to sound snarky, but it is nice not to see Cheney up there," Rep. Earl Blumenauer (D-Ore.) announced as Obama entered the chamber.

"I did big wooohoo for Justice Ginsberg," Sen. Claire McCaskill (D-Mo.) broadcast, misspelling the name of the ailing Supreme Court justice. McCaskill could be seen applauding with BlackBerry in one hand.

"Capt Sully is here -- awesome!" announced Rep. John Culberson (R-Tex.), spotting the US Airways pilot in the gallery.

Then there was Rep. Joe Barton (R-Tex.), in whose name this text message was sent at about the time the president spoke of the need to pull the country together: "Aggie basketball game is about to start on espn2 for those of you that aren't going to bother watching pelosi smirk for the next hour." A few minutes later, another message came through: "Disregard that last Tweet from a staffer."

It's bad enough that Americans are paralyzed by economic jitters. Now the president has to deal with lawmakers paralyzed by Twitter. At a time of national emergency, when America needs the focused attention of contemplative and reflective lawmakers, they are dispatching rapid-fire thoughts in 140 characters or less.

[Yonivore]

So your only defense of Wilson's behavior is "Democrats do it too!"

Hypocrisy, indeed.
I'm not defending his behavior. I just said, in fact, that what I posted did not excuse it.

I just find it noteworthy that Pelosi and Reid, et. al. can feign indignation with such straight faces. Could be the botox, I suppose.

[ChumpDumper]

I'm not defending his behavior. I just said, in fact, that what I posted did not excuse it.

I just find it noteworthy that Pelosi and Reid, et. al. can feign indignation with such straight faces. Could be the botox, I suppose.So you wish to distract from or discount the wrongness of Wilson's behavior by bringing up the behavior of others.

That's understandable, just don't get upset when others use the same tactic.

[Yonivore]

So you wish to distract from or discount the wrongness of Wilson's behavior by bringing up the behavior of others.
Nope, I'm having a side conversation on incivility in general and trying to engage you in a discussion of Democrat hypocrisy in how they view it.

Frankly, I think Wilson's outburst is sufficiently understood to have been a breech of Congressional decorum. I agree, it was wrong. He apologized for it. And, the apology was accepted by the man he offended.

I just think it's significant and warranted to point out how hypocritical Democrats are being.

I'm also wondering why President Obama calling Sarah Palin a liar, while addressing that august body, isn't held to be a similar break of decorum. I suppose it could be he was an invited guest and, as such, is granted a certain amount of latitude. But, being that he is a former member of that body, I don't think he can plead ignorance of the fact that issuing such epithets are, apparently, grave offenses in that chamber.

What do you think?

[ChumpDumper]

Nope, I'm having a side conversation on incivility in general and trying to engage you in a discussion of Democrat hypocrisy in how they view it.Nah. You want to stop talking about Wilson.


Frankly, I think Wilson's outburst is sufficiently understood to have been a breech of Congressional decorum. I agree, it was wrong. He apologized for it. And, the apology was accepted by the man he offended.Let us never speak of him again....


I just think it's significant and warranted to point out how hypocritical Democrats are being.Politicians? Hypocritical?


I'm also wondering why President Obama calling Sarah Palin a liar, while addressing that august body, isn't held to be a similar break of decorum.Because he didn't yell it while she was giving a speech. It's pretty simple, but I know -- anything to keep from talking about Wilson now....


I suppose it could be he was an invited guest and, as such, is granted a certain amount of latitude. But, being that he is a former member of that body, I don't think he can plead ignorance of the fact that issuing such epithets are, apparently, grave offenses in that chamber.

What do you think?I think people shouldn't yell to interrupt presidential speeches.

Or boo him while he's entering the chamber.

That's as relevant as your posts have gotten in this thread, but please -- keep trying to go off on a tangent. Joe needs the distraction.

[Yonivore]

Nah. You want to stop talking about Wilson.
Only in the sense that I'm not sure what else I could say.

It was a breech of decorum. It was wrong.


Let us never speak of him again....
Nah, go ahead and speak of him if want...


Politicians? Hypocritical?
Any less of a suitable topic than Politicians being boorish and incivil to one another? I don't think so.


Because he didn't yell it while she was giving a speech.
That doesn't make it any less offensive to Congressional decorum. I'm not sure I can recall any president, in my lifetime, calling someone a liar during a speech to a joint session of Congress.


It's pretty simple, but I know -- anything to keep from talking about Wilson now....
I haven't avoided talking about Wilson but, you sure seem to be avoiding talking about anything else.


I think people shouldn't yell to interrupt presidential speeches.
Nor do I. I also think the speakers should respect the dignity and solemnity of the chamber as well. Do you?


Or boo him while he's entering the chamber.
Agreed.


That's as relevant as your posts have gotten in this thread, but please -- keep trying to go off on a tangent. Joe needs the distraction.
I'm able to follow more than one thread of conversation, I just don't know what else you expect to discover by continuing a conversation over a topic in which we've reached agreement.

Joe Wilson was wrong to break decorum and shout "You lie!" during President Obama's speech. He's admitted. He's apologized for it. And, his apology has been accepted by President Obama and by the President of the Senate, Vice President Biden.

That kind of evokes the question of why the majority leaders of both houses seem so reluctant to accept the same.

Do you think President Obama should apologize to Sarah Palin?

[ChumpDumper]

That doesn't make it any less offensive to Congressional decorum. I'm not sure I can recall any president, in my lifetime, calling someone a liar during a speech to a joint session of Congress.How many speeches do you remember?


I haven't avoided talking about Wilson but, you sure seem to be avoiding talking about anything else.Except I did. You just didn't like what I posted, so you pretended it didn't happen.


Nor do I. I also think the speakers should respect the dignity and solemnity of the chamber as well. Do you?I think the speaker did. Wilson and Palin can call Obama liars in their speeches too -- but again, you just want to condemn opinion with which you do not agree.


I'm able to follow more than one thread of conversation, I just don't know what else you expect to discover by continuing a conversation over a topic in which we've reached agreement.We haven't, because you keep trying to mitigate Wilson's behavior.


Joe Wilson was wrong to break decorum and shout "You lie!" during President Obama's speech. He's admitted. He's apologized for it. And, his apology has been accepted by President Obama and by the President of the Senate, Vice President Biden.

That kind of evokes the question of why the majority leaders of both houses seem so reluctant to accept the same.Did they shout "You lie!" during President Obama's speech?

No, they didn't. It's not the same, no matter how much you want it to be.


Do you think President Obama should apologize to Sarah Palin?No, she is free to call him a liar if she wants to.

The death panel was a big lie.

Sarah Palin lied.

Sarah Palin is a liar.

I will not apologize to Sarah Pallin because she is a liar.

[Yonivore]

How many speeches do you remember?
Hell, I don't know...dozens of instances from committee hearing and floor debate; on the news, C-Span, and YouTube. Do you deny Congressmen can be offensive assholes when their exerting their authority from a chairman's seat overlooking the witness table? Or, when they're debating an issue from the floor of their respective chambers?

I've invited you to produce similar footage of Republicans doing the same but, no, instead you want to interrogate me over my observation.


Except I did. You just didn't like what I posted, so you pretended it didn't happen.
Actually, I'm not pretending. I honestly don't remember you responding to anything I've posed -- not related to Wilson -- that didn't end in your haranguing me about wanting to change the topic. Pardon me for being distracted.


I think the speaker did. Wilson and Palin can call Obama liars in their speeches too
So, if Ms. Palin or Congressman Wilson (more likely) have an opportunity to address the chamber, it would be within protocols for them to say President Obama is a liar? It matters to you from where the accusation is made?


-- but again, you just want to condemn opinion with which you do not agree.
I didn't condemn it, I merely pointed out President Obama called someone a liar during a joint session of Congress. And, I asked if you thought it was a breech of decorum and if you thought he should apologize.

You answered the first question. You don't think it is. Fine. I guess I can assume you don't think an apology is warranted, as well. Also fine. I guess we're done with that topic, too.


We haven't, because you keep trying to mitigate Wilson's behavior.
How so? What Congressman Wilson did was wrong. He should have apologized for it and he did.


Did they shout "You lie!" during President Obama's speech?

No, they didn't. It's not the same, no matter how much you want it to be.
Is there a list, somewhere, of the precise things you must do, during a speech to the joint bodies that constitutes a breech of decorum and, "You lie!," is on it where booing and hissing isn't?



No, she is free to call him a liar if she wants to.
Is she free to do it in the same context as did Obama?


The death panel was a big lie.
The "death panel" is a rhetorical instrument that describes the power bureaucrats will have over life and death decision under ObamaCare. There is plenty of anecdotal evidence to support that, in an effort to cut costs, government-run health care programs ration care and services that leads to patient demise.

"death panel" is just a demonstrative way of saying that.


Sarah Palin lied.
No, she didn't. ObamaCare will have a panel that decides how much of what treatments will be allowed. It will ration care and that will result in deaths -- just like it does in other socialized health care programs around the world.


Sarah Palin is a liar.
That may well be but, not in this instance and, not in under any circumstance I've seen.


I will not apologize to Sarah Pallin because she is a liar.
Under that logic you shouldn't be asking Joe Wilson to apologize to President Obama either. But, he did.

[ChumpDumper]

Hell, I don't know...dozens of instances from committee hearing and floor debate; on the news, C-Span, and YouTube. Do you deny Congressmen can be offensive assholes when their exerting their authority from a chairman's seat overlooking the witness table? Or, when they're debating an issue from the floor of their respective chambers?

I've invited you to produce similar footage of Republicans doing the same but, no, instead you want to interrogate me over my observation.I don't read and copy blogs all day. Parroting other people is your thing, not mine.


Actually, I'm not pretending. I honestly don't remember you responding to anything I've posed -- not related to Wilson -- that didn't end in your haranguing me about wanting to change the topic. Pardon me for being distracted.I did. Either you are still pretending or you are in denial or forgetful or incapable of comprehending.


So, if Ms. Palin or Congressman Wilson (more likely) have an opportunity to address the chamber, it would be within protocols for them to say President Obama is a liar?Sure.
It matters to you from where the accusation is made?Sure.


I didn't condemn it, I merely pointed out President Obama called someone a liar during a joint session of Congress. And, I asked if you thought it was a breech of decorum and if you thought he should apologize.And I answered.


You answered the first question. You don't think it is. Fine. I guess I can assume you don't think an apology is warranted, as well. Also fine. I guess we're done with that topic, too.Duh. I actually said it wasn't warranted. You really can't comprehend.


How so?By bringing up everyone else.


Is there a list, somewhere, of the precise things you must do, during a speech to the joint bodies that constitutes a breech of decorum and, "You lie!," is on it where booing and hissing isn't?I believe there actually is one for Congress.


Is she free to do it in the same context as did Obama?In a speech? Yes.


The "death panel" is a rhetorical instrument that describes the power bureaucrats will have over life and death decision under ObamaCare. There is plenty of anecdotal evidence to support that, in an effort to cut costs, government-run health care programs ration care and services that leads to patient demise.It's a lie.


"death panel" is just a demonstrative way of saying that.Demonstrative of a lie.


No, she didn't. ObamaCare will have a panel that decides how much of what treatments will be allowed. It will ration care and that will result in deaths -- just like it does in other socialized health care programs around the world.No, that's a lie. You are repeating the lie. You are a liar. Just like Palin. Just like you were in the past.


That may well be but, not in this instance and, not in under any circumstance I've seen.You have proved you can't even recall something from one post before.


Under that logic you shouldn't be asking Joe Wilson to apologize to President Obama either. But, he did.There you go again -- failing to comprehend....Same old Yoni....nothing has changed....

[Yonivore]

Okay, I guess we're done here then. See you in another thread.

[hater]

damn. mofos going at it

[LnGrrrR]

Get over it you Obamapologist. He lied. Very simple.

:rolleyes

Riiiight. I'm an Obamapologist. :lol

[LnGrrrR]

Nope, I'm having a side conversation on incivility in general and trying to engage you in a discussion of Democrat hypocrisy in how they view it.


Neither side has a monopoly on civility, and you'd be hard pressed to find a Democratic politician who said they did.

[Winehole23]

Did Joe Wilson lie (http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/09/did_joe_wilson_lie_about_having_been_an_immigratio .php?ref=fpblg) about having been an immigration attorney?

[clambake]

Did Joe Wilson lie (http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/09/did_joe_wilson_lie_about_having_been_an_immigratio .php?ref=fpblg) about having been an immigration attorney?

he probably remembers seeing a busboy at a restaurant.

[Winehole23]

If he saw food on his plate, he probably had an immigrant to thank for it.

[clambake]

that immigrant should have thanked him for being allowed to serve it.

[Yonivore]

I hope he wears the rebuke as a badge of honor...

Same chamber, called the president a liar...twice.

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[clambake]

not even close, yoni.

not one of your better attempts.

[Yonivore]

not even close, yoni.

not one of your better attempts.
I thought this was about decorum in the House chamber.

[clambake]

I thought this was about decorum in the House chamber.

no, it's about a dumbass redneck that thinks he's on the same level as a president.

[Yonivore]

no, it's about a dumbass redneck that thinks he's on the same level as a president.
I think you could apply that same label to the guy in the video I just posted. Maybe not the redneck but, certainly the thinking he's on the same level or better.

Try again...why is this different?

Same chamber...called the president a liar.

[Winehole23]

Context makes a difference.

[Yonivore]

Context makes a difference.
I don't think so...

Decorum is decorum. Respect for the office of the President is respect for the office of the president. The House of Representatives is the House of Representatives.

Only difference? Wilson - Republican. Stark - Democrat.

http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/media/toon091509.gif

[Winehole23]

Context obviously makes a difference. Calling the President a liar in your own speech before an empty House isn't a the same as interrupting his nationally televised speech before a joint session of Congress.

[Yonivore]

Context obviously makes a difference. Calling the President a liar in your own speech before an empty House isn't a the same as interrupting his nationally televised speech before a joint session of Congress.
C-Span is nationally televised...and was probably watched by as many people as watched the president's speech.

And, it was a nationally televised speech that never should have been. He didn't say anything new...Same old lies.

The only thing I think is that Wilson could have stood there and said "You lie," after just about every sentence.

[Yonivore]

In fact, I think Stark's disrespectful behavior resulted in a House resolution to rebuke but, was voted down by the same partisans that think Wilson's is the most egregious thing they've ever seen.

[Winehole23]

I give up. You're determined to disregard the context. Carry on.

[Yonivore]

I give up. You're determined to disregard the context. Carry on.
Cheers.

[ChumpDumper]

Yoni would still be cleaning the shit out of his pants had a Democratic congressman called Bush a liar during one of his addresses to Congress the way Wilson did.

He's a hypocrite. :toast

[ChumpDumper]

And disingenuous.

[Yonivore]

Yoni would still be cleaning the shit out of his pants had a Democratic congressman called Bush a liar during one of his addresses to Congress the way Wilson did.

He's a hypocrite. :toast
Democrats called him a liar for over 7 years...they still do...I became inured.

[ChumpDumper]

Democrats called him a liar for over 7 years...they still do...I became inured.Did they shout it out during one of his addresses to Congress?

A simple yes or no will suffice.

[Jacob1983]

Yes. Do you worship Obama like he's a god and wish you could suck his dick? A simple yes or no will suffice.

[ChumpDumper]

Yes.Really? Could you provide a link to that event?
Do you worship Obama like he's a god and wish you could suck his dick? A simple yes or no will suffice.No.

[Yonivore]

...retracted, in line with my new attitude. Apologies to Chump.

[ChumpDumper]

Why go negative?

I asked a simple question.

Did they shout it out during one of his addresses to Congress?

A simple yes or no will suffice.

I guess you were feeling cornered and lashed out before editing.

[Wild Cobra]

Did Joe Wilson lie (http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/09/did_joe_wilson_lie_about_having_been_an_immigratio .php?ref=fpblg) about having been an immigration attorney?
I don't know. If you're concerned about it, look up every case participated in. If you find none with immigration, then I guess he never was. Considering the 'facts' TMP uses, I wouldn't trust their research. Title doesn't matter. You cave to look at the cases.

Have fun.

[Wild Cobra]

He claimed in an interview more than two years ago:


Sean, that’s an excellent question. Why wasn’t the 86 law enforced? I, in fact, was in private practice, an immigration attorney.

My Conversation With Congressman Joe Wilson (http://forums.joeuser.com/156432)

[Jacob1983]

I'll supply you with a link when you admit that you want to suck Obama's dick or have at least fantasized about it.

[LnGrrrR]

I'll supply you with a link when you admit that you want to suck Obama's dick or have at least fantasized about it.

Given the choice between A) one person who hasn't mentioned sucking the President's member and B) one person who's mentioned it twice, unprovoked...

Hmmm who would I think is obsessed with that idea...

[clambake]

Given the choice between A) one person who hasn't mentioned sucking the President's member and B) one person who's mentioned it twice, unprovoked...

Hmmm who would I think is obsessed with that idea...

this post is right on TARGET!

wouldn't you agree, jacob?

[ChumpDumper]

I'll supply you with a link when you admit that you want to suck Obama's dick or have at least fantasized about it.You gave me a yes or no option; I answered "no" quite truthfully.

I asked you about a matter of fact.

You promptly lied and continued going on about Obama's penis.

Since you lied about a simple point of fact so readily and talk about Obama's penis continually, we can only conclude that it is you who want said penis in your mouth, and any denial on your part would be a lie.

So we won't bother asking -- we already know the answer.

[LnGrrrR]

You gave me a yes or no option; I answered "no" quite truthfully.

I asked you about a matter of fact.

You promptly lied and continued going on about Obama's penis.

Since you lied about a simple point of fact so readily and talk about Obama's penis continually, we can only conclude that it is you who want said penis in your mouth, and any denial on your part would be a lie.

So we won't bother asking -- we already know the answer.
What's REALLY strange is that he DEMANDS you admit to some sexual fantasy of you and the President before he'll share the information. It's almost like he's hoping you'll provide it to him in telling detail.

Ever see that South Park with Mel Gibson? "Oh no... PLEASE don't torture me! Don't twist my nipples!" :lol

[ChumpDumper]

I understand that he has his fantasies, I just don't understand why he thought lying about some congressman yelling at Bush during on of his speeches like Wilson did was a good idea -- like he was really scoring some points that way.

I suppose I can't really apply logic to the actions of one so obsessed though....

[Winehole23]

I thought this was about decorum in the House chamber.Found an article that backs Yoni up on the question of House decorum:

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0909/27184.html


If Rep. Joe Wilson is finding parliamentary procedure to be a bit of a nuisance in the wake of his “you lie” attack on President Barack Obama, he has his Republican forbearers to thank.




On June 26, 1985, Rep. Robert Walker – a Pennsylvania Republican who beat the drum for decorum throughout his 20 years in the House – took issue with Rep. James Traficant for saying that then-President Ronald Reagan had deceived the senior citizens of the United States.




“Is it not a violation of the rules of the House to question the motives of the president and to refer to him as being someone who lies?” Walker asked on the floor.




“The gentleman is correct,” agreed then-Speaker Tip O’Neill . “It is not proper.”




O’Neill ordered that Traficant’s offending remarks be stricken from the record and directed the congressman – subsequently convicted on federal corruption charges – to “revise his remarks.”



Traficant’s toupee wasn’t Walker’s only scalp.




In 1986, Walker demanded that the words of Rep. Ed Markey (D-Mass.) be “taken down” after Markey said that “hypocrisy had characterized” Reagan’s handling of arms control.




Then, on Sept. 24, 1992, Walker went after Rep. Peter DeFazio (D-Oregon) after DeFazio attempted to defend then-Democratic nominee Bill Clinton against House Republican attacks over his memory of the Vietnam era by going after then-President George H.W. Bush’s memory of the Iran-Contra affair.




“Well,” said DeFazio, “it turns out that the president’s recollection of affairs of state a mere six years ago when he was vice president of the United States are contradicted by Secretary [Caspar] Weinberger and Secretary [George] Shultz.”




DeFazio proceeded to read from a Washington Post story:




“New information emerging from court cases and congressional records since Bush last ran for president has cast fresh doubt on his assertion that he was ‘out of the loop’ generally involved in and largely unaware of the most controversial Iran-Contra operations.”
Walker stepped in.




“Mr. Speaker, I demand the gentleman’s words be taken,” he exclaimed. “I demand the gentleman’s words be taken down.”




As Walker persisted, DeFazio stood his ground.




“I am certainly not going to withdraw the printed quote,” he said, from whence a parliamentary inquiry was conducted.


Ultimately, the speaker pro tempore, former Rep. Ron Mazzoli (D-Kentucky), rendered this judgment: “The chair has ruled that [DeFazio] was out of order on that part of his remarks…If [Walker] wishes to object to any of the other members who may want to read from printed material, the gentleman would be in order, subject to the will of the House.”




The question whether a member could attack the president’s veracity via quoted material emerged again on Nov. 15, 1995, when Republican Rep. David Dreier used a David Broder line to launch an attack on Clinton.

After going through a litany of Clinton statements about balancing the budget, Dreier said: “Looking at those statement that were made by the president, one could not help but think once again of what David Broder referred to in his very famous column back in 1993 as the ‘trust deficit.’”

Dreier was admonished for his statements and told his defense – “I was quoting, Mr. Speaker” – did not make for a suitable excuse.




The prohibition on attacking the president’s integrity dates back to Thomas Jefferson’s Manual of Parliamentary Practice for the Use of the Senate of the United States, which he wrote in 1801. In 1909, the House made his proscriptions the explicit rules of decorum, and has put abridgements of his manual in a pamphlet titled, “Constitution, Jefferson's Manual, and Rules of the House of Representatives.”




It stipulates that: “Personal abuse, innuendo, or ridicule of the president, is not permitted. Under this standard it is not in order to call the president, or a presumptive major-party nominee for president, a ‘liar’ or accuse him of ‘lying.’ Indeed, any suggestion of mendacity is out of order.”




If Wilson has any doubts about the prohibition, he needs only goes back to June 6, 1996, when his current Republican colleague in the South Carolina delegation, Rep. Bob Inglis, was holding the gavel.



“The chair admonishes members not to refer to the president in terms personally offensive,” Inglis told the House that day.




Inglis has urged Wilson to apologize for his outburst.

[ChumpDumper]

So Wilson did break house decorum.

Great.

[Jacob1983]

You guys crack me up. :lol

So what should be Wilson's punishment for his outburst? Death by firing squad?

If you failed to understand my sarcasm then I will explain it. When I mentioned Obama's dick, I was using it as an example of how much Obama lovers orgasm over the man because they like and/or love him so much. They are so blinded by their loyalty and ideology that Obama can do no wrong in their eyes. I just wish Obama lovers could admit that the man is not perfect and makes mistakes.

[Winehole23]

So what should be Wilson's punishment for his outburst? Death by firing squad?Not suggested in the thread. Do you think this is a good idea?


If you failed to understand my sarcasm then I will explain it. I think everybody understood. But it wasn't funny. It was just kind of creepy.

IWhen I mentioned Obama's dick, I was using it as an example of how much Obama lovers orgasm over the man Speaks for itself, really.


because they like and/or love him so much. They are so blinded by their loyalty and ideology that Obama can do no wrong in their eyes. I just wish Obama lovers could admit that the man is not perfect and makes mistakes.You don't pay much attention to what people actually say, do you?

Name two people in this forum who resemble your slavering, erotically tinged impersonation of an "Obama lover". Give citation if you can.

I'll bet you can't.

[ChumpDumper]

Obama is not perfect and makes mistakes.

Now why did you lie?

[Jacob1983]

I didn't lie. I do think it's funny how you're trying to make it seem like Obama has been bashed and criticized way more than Bush ever was as president.

We'll just have to agree to disagree but I'll give you the last word.

[ChumpDumper]

Are you French too?

[iggypop123]

why is this still being bumped

[LnGrrrR]

You guys crack me up. :lol

So what should be Wilson's punishment for his outburst? Death by firing squad?

If you failed to understand my sarcasm then I will explain it. When I mentioned Obama's dick, I was using it as an example of how much Obama lovers orgasm over the man because they like and/or love him so much. They are so blinded by their loyalty and ideology that Obama can do no wrong in their eyes. I just wish Obama lovers could admit that the man is not perfect and makes mistakes.

Yup, we're the obsessed ones alright.

[z0sa]

fling that poo, monkeymen!

[jman3000]

He's too stupid / ignorant to see that he's simply the other side of the spectrum to what he just described. Both anti Obama zombies and pro Obama zombies are full of shit and should be ridiculed.