ACORN Prostitution Investigation

[Winehole23]

To me, it is.

[Yonivore]

To me, it is.
I get it.

So, is there anything that would make this a big deal, to you?

[Winehole23]

The disclosed information is pretty puny. That's enough for me. No need to speculate about non-existent aggravating circumstances.

[ChumpDumper]

I get it.

So, is there anything that would make this a big deal, to you?Massive Vote Fraud would make it a big deal, but there is zero evidence of that.

It's just another story you hope gets bigger.

[Yonivore]

No need to speculate...
It's what we do.

[Winehole23]

It's what you do.

[Yonivore]

It's what you do.
Did President Bush lie us into a war in Iraq? Don't worry, I'm not ChumpDumping you.

Those who do, merely speculate and, have less proof than I do of Obama's lies on health care alone.

[Yonivore]

Great moments in gatekeeping (http://hotair.com/archives/2009/09/15/great-moments-in-gatekeeping/)


If the Federalist Society, which got a heaping helping of demonization during the John Roberts and Samuel Alito confirmation hearings, started giving advice to prospective pimps and hookers on tax evasion and hiding child-prostitution rings, does anyone think that the Charlie Gibsons and the Papers of Record in the US would let that slide to the cable networks? Or would it headline their outlets, complete with a dissection of Federalist Society support for Republicans?

[ChumpDumper]

Did President Bush lie us into a war in Iraq? Don't worry, I'm not ChumpDumping you.

Those who do, merely speculate and, have less proof than I do of Obama's lies on health care alone.Eh, his administration said they knew exactly where the WMDs were. So they either lied or were colossally inept. I'd believe either explanation.

[Winehole23]

Did President Bush lie us into a war in Iraq? Don't worry, I'm not ChumpDumping you.Bush was dishonest, and our casus belli in Iraq was a piece of crap. Iraq was no threat to us, as the war itself proved, the Al Qaeda tie was bogus, and the WMD issue, totally trumped up. Bush did well to avoid technical lies most of the time, but to suggest that the way he led us to war was completely honorable and honest is really too much for me.


Those who do, merely speculate and, have less proof than I do of Obama's lies on health care alone.Like Bush, Obama relies on some iffy advice and some cherry-picked assumptions for the claims he makes. For Bush, this sort of CYA was unassailable: he got bad advice. But for Obama, somehow, it only proves his mendacity. And your confirmation bias.

To me, both are weasels. But to you, your side can do no wrong.

[Yonivore]

Bush was dishonest,...
About what?


...and our casus belli in Iraq was a piece of crap. Iraq was no threat to us, as the war itself proved, the Al Qaeda tie was bogus, and the WMD issue, totally trumped up. Bush did well to avoid technical lies most of the time, but to suggest that the way he led us to war was completely honorable and honest is really too much for me.
Over a couple of dozen UNSC Resolutions and the AUMF in Iraq tend to disagree with this assessment.


Like Bush, Obama relies on some iffy advice and some cherry-picked assumptions for the claims he makes. For Bush, this sort of CYA was unassailable: he got bad advice. But for Obama, somehow, it only proves his mendacity. And your confirmation bias.
Unlike Obama's many follies, there was almost no one that disagreed with the assessment President Bush made about Iraq -- up until he decided to invade. It's already been investigated and determined the Bush administration did not skew the intelligence that everyone, including Congress and Ms. Pelosi, saw that informed his decision to invade Iraq.

We've posted the videos and quotes in here, ad nausea, of his harshest critics agreeing with him prior to March of 2003.


To me, both are weasels. But to you, your side can do no wrong.
We've had this discussion and I've already given you two examples of where I vehemently disagreed with Bush. No, don't Chump me. Okay?

[Winehole23]

I won't go point for point, i'm tired. But i'll say this. Your reply to me is a bunch of happy horseshit. When I get back from my trip to Corpus I'll be happy to lay it all out for you.

[Yonivore]

I won't go point for point, i'm tired. But i'll say this. Your reply to me is a bunch of happy horseshit. When I get back from my trip to Corpus I'll be happy to lay it all out for you.
Love Corpus! Going to Port A or the beach?

Have a safe trip.

[Winehole23]

Business. No beach. Bummer universe.

[Yonivore]

Business. No beach. Bummer universe.
Well, be safe.

[Yonivore]

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_hnqpvFwIwnw/Sq-Vma6I6aI/AAAAAAAAEUg/yOzvGWKp4vI/s400/untitled.bmp

[Winehole23]

Were there any actual prostitutes involved? Or was the crime purely notional?

[Yonivore]

Were there any actual prostitutes involved? Or was the crime purely notional?
No prostitutes but, that wasn't known to the ACORN employees who were willing to help who they thought was a real prostitute wanting to set up a child brothel.

This wasn't a criminal sting so, save your legal discussion. These people were willing to help shelter a child brothel, pure and simple.

[SouthernFried]

No Harm No Foul...

Give 'em back all the govt money/contracts, whatever. These people are doing good work.

[Yonivore]

If an ACORN employee admitted to committing premeditated murder on the tape, would that be news, WineHole23?

[Nbadan]

There was no crime - well, except for the illegal eaves-dropping, and slander when this kid chopped this film together to cut out the parts where the ACORN guys were laughing at him..

[Nbadan]

"They were not believable", said Ms. Kaelke of the two actors. "Somewhat entertaining, but they weren't even good actors. I didn't know what to make of them. They were clearly playing with me. I decided to shock them as much as they were shocking me. Like Stephan Colbert does – saying the most outrageous things with a straight face. While her sense of humor might not be funny to many people, the fact is that she spun false scenario after false scenario and the videographer ate them up.

For example, in response to the set-up by the filmmakers in which they say they are trying get the young woman away from her abusive pimp, she responds that she was abused by her former husband as well (true) and that she shot and killed him (false). He is very much alive and living near Barstow, CA ...

Acorn (http://www.acorn.org/)

This makes more sense than thinking that anyone believed their 1970's pimp/prostitute get up and the story that followed.

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[Nbadan]

I wouldn't doubt it if this kid is attacked on a bus soon....


As Media Matters reported, Fox News followed in lockstep with Glenn Beck in making ACORN, rather than health care, their top story of the day, yesterday (9/10/09), one day after President Obama delivered his major address on health care reform. Media Matters counted at least 17 segments on six programs devoted to airing and discussing portions of a video made by anti-choice zealot James O’Keefe who specializes in using deceptive practices to trick his targets into embarrassing themselves. In this case, O’Keefe and partner Hanah Giles posed as a pimp and prostitute looking for tax advice from ACORN’s tax preparation service. O'Keefe said his goal was "posing the most ridiculous criminal scenario we could think of and seeing if they would comply.” Predictably, Sean Hannity was so enthusiastic about the prospect of smearing ACORN – and President Obama along with it – that he failed to tell the “we report, you decide” network’s viewers that the filmmakers reportedly went to several ACORN offices, where their ploy was unsuccessful, before finding someone to fall for their scheme. Hannity also failed to mention O’Keefe’s background, including the fact that he admits to using the tactics of Saul Alinsky, the radical Fox is always throwing in President Obama’s face. Instead, activist O’Keefe was presented as an “independent filmmaker.” With video

As Foxnews.com reported, an ACORN spokesman has said that O’Keefe’s film crew “tried to pull this sham at other offices and failed.” How many times did O’Keefe try his charade before he found someone who took the bait? We never learned. Hannity never even bothered to tell his audience about ACORN’s response to the video. It certainly wasn’t for lack of airtime. The video was discussed repeatedly during the show, including a “Fox News alert” at the start. I’m sure all that attention for the film had nothing to do with the fact that Obama’s health care speech was very enthusiastically received by the public nor that another 6 advertisers – bringing the total to 62 – have reportedly pledged not to advertise further on the Glenn Beck show.

Instead of revealing O’Keefe’s background or the context and history of his video, Hannity described it as an “undercover investigation conducted by filmmaker James O’Keefe.”

On hand to promote the video were Andrew Breitbart and Michael Flynn whose new website claims to be dedicated to fighting big government. Yet it has devoted about 90% of its two pages to attacking ACORN.

First, Breitbart preened about the supposed importance of this gotcha by sneering, “Congratulations to 60 Minutes and CBS for having the guts to take on ACORN.” Gee, Andrew, do you think that maybe they thought there might be more important issues to cover – like health care reform? Funny how I didn't see much, if any, coverage on your site about that.

Breitbart went on to brag about the two “intrepid” investigators, and described O’Keefe as “well on his way to being one of the great journalists.” Except, Andrew, “great journalists” usually report their complete findings – like how many times they visited ACORN before they found a taker. Breitbart, who should know something about journalistic ethics either doesn’t or pretends otherwise. “He (O’Keefe) went into ACORN thinking that there was gonna be something like this and he certainly found it… Every step of the way these (ACORN) people… participated and upped the ante, and I’m just here to tell you that James O’Keefe and Hannah Giles are heroes for doing this because we all knew that this is what happens at ACORN, to a degree.”

Nice little wiggle words, “to a degree,” there, Andrew. I mean, we could say that we know that withholding information from the public is what happens whenever Breitbart goes on the air, to a degree.

Hannity, never at a loss for his own self-importance, announced that the show would later go into the “criminal issues.” But somehow nobody ever got around to mentioning the potential criminal liability of those great journalists because it's a crime in Maryland to record someone without their permission.

Meanwhile, Hannity and Flynn lamented that ACORN gets “millions of dollars” from the US government. Funny, ACORN received $13 million from the Bush administration and I never saw anyone, in more than 5 years of watching "fair and balanced" Fox News have a care about that.

Flynn also ignored that O’Keefe and Giles may now be criminally liable. Instead, he insisted that ACORN owed them an apology (for saying they had engaged in “gotcha journalism,” which, by their own admission, they had) and also suggested that ACORN should thank them “for rooting out these employees.” Yeah, and I think Breitbart should be thanking me for helping him root out his journalistic transgressions.

Sure enough, Hannity soon used the issue to start up his McCarthyesque witch hunt against Obama, who, even Hannity would have to admit, had absolutely nothing to do with this incident. But that didn't stop Hannity from suggesting otherwise. “We had a media that ignored Bill Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn and Rev. Wright and Pfleger. We had a mainstream media that… ignored (Van) Jones, we have Eric Holdren (I believe Hannity meant John Holdren), we have Cass Sunstein. We have a lot of radicals surrounding this president.”

Kind of like we have a lot of bigots surrounding Hannity?

“But (Obama) was once the lawyer for them,” Hannity accused. “Does this connect back to the President of the United States in your mind?” he asked Breitbart.

Breitbart said he would not “get into how this relates to the president” and then he did exactly that. “What we’re seeing here, though… is more of an outrage against the mainstream media… They didn’t vet this president… or the people who are running this government and, quite frankly, taking it over… Now we understand what a community organizer is, period.”


Newshounds (http://www.newshounds.us/2009/09/11/in_their_zeal_to_change_subject_from_health_care_t o_acorn_fox_news_overlooks_issues_with_gotcha_vide o.php#more)

[BacktoBasics]

I always though this world was in the toilet. Just further proof of how idiotic the general public is and the select few who use this garbage as some kind of vessel to hate on Obama. I really can't even consider these TV shock jocks to be "media" or "news" outlets anymore. To report on this as if its some kind of breaking news or to broadcast this as some kind of lid being blown off a massive conspiracy has to be some of the most irresponsible disgraceful displays of stupidity and desperation. What a slap in the face of their profession. Their craft.

[Winehole23]

If an ACORN employee admitted to committing premeditated murder on the tape, would that be news, WineHole23?It's all "news." And yes, premeditated murder would be much more serious than intended pandering. But that isn't the case. The sting pitches a dumb idea and got some dumb people to go along with the dumb idea. The idea that it amounts to a scheme to promote prostitution is more than a little bit strained. We'll see if charges actually stick.

[boutons_deux]

Just more Yoni distracting rat turds and hyper-extended extrapolation. Typical Yoni noise-making.

ACORN is just one of many straw men and red herrings thrown around by the right to enrage the sheeple, like Yoni.

[SouthernFried]

People getting mad at ACORN for this...just need to get a life. Those right-wing christian churches try to get away with not paying taxes too!! Acorn is doing the lords work here. Trying to help minorities and immigrants make it in this country.

[Winehole23]

The idea that ACORN is some kind of force to be reckoned with is ludicrous. ACORN is a pinata, nothing more.

[SouthernFried]

ACORN is nothing to worry about. So, don't worry about 'em. Congress passing resolutions to keep 'em out of census taking and limiting govt funds going to them...

pffft...who cares. Give em back the money and Census taking stuff. They are good people, helping children and immigrants get a better life.

[Winehole23]

I don't take issue with denying ACORN money. What I do take issue with is the elevation of triviality to national importance. The importance and relevance of ACORN is mythical. It spreads stupidity.

[ashbeeigh]

ACORN' Worker's Husband Alive After All (http://ayfs.wordpress.com/2009/09/16/hot-air-blog-archive-acorn-workers-husbands-still-alive-after-all/)

[jack sommerset]

ACORN' Worker's Husband Alive After All (http://ayfs.wordpress.com/2009/09/16/hot-air-blog-archive-acorn-workers-husbands-still-alive-after-all/)

Thank God. That makes it all better.:lol

I am actaully looking forward seeing the next chapter of the video collection. I think they said it takes place in Texas! Hopefully we don't see Ash in this next installment

[ashbeeigh]

Thank God. That makes it all better.:lol

I am actaully looking forward seeing the next chapter of the video collection. I think they said it takes place in Texas! Hopefully we don't see Ash in this next installment

I think I know where it was, and it wasn't San Antonio. It makes me sick to think of who it may be. Just sick to my stomach.

In this hypothetical Texas tape...

[jack sommerset]

Has the new ACORN tape hit the streets yet? This is better than Days Of Our Lives. I'm hooked motherfuckers.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

Has the new ACORN tape hit the streets yet? This is better than Days Of Our Lives. I'm hooked motherfuckers.apparently hannity has it so whenever his show comes on.

[Yonivore]

I don't take issue with denying ACORN money. What I do take issue with is the elevation of triviality to national importance. The importance and relevance of ACORN is mythical. It spreads stupidity.
Now that Jon Stewart is on their case, does that change your view?

Now that they've ceased operations -- nationwide (just how does a loosely organized organization do that?) -- does that change your view?

There's also some information coming out about SEIU and ACORN ties.

I think this story has a long way to go.

[Winehole23]

Now that Jon Stewart is on their case, does that change your view?Not a bit. They were an inconsequential pinata yesterday, they still are today. Now everybody's lining up for a whack. Does that make them important?

[Winehole23]

It just makes them a pinata IMO.

[Yonivore]

Not a bit. They were an inconsequential pinata yesterday, they still are today. Now everybody's lining up for a whack. Does that make them important?
I think that's going to depend on how intertwined they were with the SEIU. I hope you don't think they're an insignificant group...

[Nbadan]

The ACORN propaganda is running on ABC....the down-slide of the M$M continues

[Yonivore]

http://www.jillstanek.com/obamacorn.jpg

The ACORN propaganda is running on ABC....the down-slide of the M$M continues
You're criticizing the M$M...something good must have happened.

Meanwhile, in real news...


U.S. House of Representatives
Committee on Oversight and Government Reform (http://www.capitalresearch.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/7-23-09-ogr-acorn-report.pdf)

Apparently, the Democrat-controlled U. S. Congressional Committee thinks ACORN is big enough to warrant an investigation...


The Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now has repeatedly and deliberately engaged in systemic fraud. Both structurally and operationally, ACORN hides behind a paper wall of nonprofit corporate protections to conceal a criminal conspiracy on the part of its directors, to launder federal money in order to pursue a partisan political agenda and to manipulate the American electorate....

Committee investigators have unearthed documentation that ACORN and its affiliates conducted meticulous research that fed aggressive campaign initiatives designed to elect Democratic candidates in targeted races. ACORN forged both formal and informal connections with former IL Gov. Rod Blagojevich, OH Sen. Sherrod Brown and President Barack Obama, among others....

In other documents, ACORN affiliates take credit for the election of... Blagojevich. In the 2006 year-end report of ACORN affiliate SEIU, Local 880, efforts to elect Blagojevich and advance partisan political agendas are called "flawless."...

Moreover, documents provided by former ACORN employees and contained in this report demonstrate the degree to which ACORN and ACORN affiliates organized to elect President Barack Obama in 2008....
Hmmmm...

[Crookshanks]

The Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now has repeatedly and deliberately engaged in systemic fraud. Both structurally and operationally, ACORN hides behind a paper wall of nonprofit corporate protections to conceal a criminal conspiracy on the part of its directors, to launder federal money in order to pursue a partisan political agenda and to manipulate the American electorate....

Hmmm - and Chump ridiculed me for wondering if a RICO case could be made against ACORN.

[Yonivore]

Gibbs helps Obama tuck the corners of ACORN under the bus...

W.H. distances from activist group (http://www.politico.com/politico44/perm/0909/gibbs_vs_acorn_497f1d7b-b91c-481a-a438-6027d3ba82c5.html)

Next up...the SEIU. (I hope)

[ChumpDumper]

Hmmm - and Chump ridiculed me for wondering if a RICO case could be made against ACORN.I asked you if you knew what it meant.

You'll know when I ridicule you.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

The ACORN propaganda is running on ABC....the down-slide of the M$M continues

The down-slide of the same media that has been covering for this administration for months now? :lmao

[Yonivore]

BREAKING: More ACORN Videos To Be Revealed (http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=33581)
:corn:

They're not even defending themselves anymore...


ACORN Drops Smear Charge, Announces Reform (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,550941,00.html)


‘The Audacity of Hos’: ‘Daily Show’ Skewers ACORN (http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/bighollywood/2009/09/16/the-audacity-of-hos-daily-show-skewers-acorn/)
I don't care who you are, that's funny right there...

Want to give props to the people responsible for bringing down ACORN?

Go here (http://biggovernment.com/)

[Nbadan]

Ha, ha, FAUX News..

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WE lie, you decide!

[boutons_deux]

Out-Fauxed

[boutons_deux]

San Antonio's own Old Money/Alamo Heights Lamar Smith wants FBI to go after Acorn.

[SouthernFried]

lol. FOX and BECK look bad. Too bad they covered all that other ACORN stuff that was true, this would really nail them.

Of course, at least FOX knew about all that other ACORN stuff...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnTZAQR9wkE

[Spawn]

Oh, the only thing lamer than these people who cooked up this scheme and also the folks who fell for the act of some wannabe White supafly is people taking this seriously.

I don't give a shit about ACORN, but the thought that they are running some major underage prostitution ring, oh man.

[jack sommerset]

ACORN is done for awhile.

[Yonivore]

ACORN's Recent History With Prostitution

Perhaps we shouldn't have been completely surprised by the videos we've seen of ACORN workers offering assistance to prostitution rings.

I mean, there was Cincinnati (http://www.newsnet5.com/news/17857721/detail.html) . . .


Shari Bell, 41, of Walnut Hills was arrested Wednesday night by Cincinnati police, reported WCPO, NewsChannel5's Cincinnati sister station.

Bell allegedly approached an undercover officer's car in Evanston and offered him sex for money. Police also said they found a crack pipe in Bell's coat pocket. Bell told police she works for the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now at the time of her arrest.
And then there was Cleveland (http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/gender_bending_the_law_YrRvfnfZIW9acC7VLqWbXJ):


An Ohio man who cast an illegal early ballot after being caught registering to vote several times with ACORN is a longtime scammer who was arrested last year — as a woman.

The bizarre tale of Darnell Nash — a k a Serina "Sexy Slay" Gibbs — came to light after Cuyahoga County election officials charged him with voter fraud and this week turned him in to prosecutors.

It turns out that Nash, 24, who has a criminal record as a man, is now a transsexual escort who claims to make $150 an hour turning tricks as the self-proclaimed "Queen of Cleveland Gender Benders."
Then there's Milwaukee (http://freedomeden.blogspot.com/2008/10/acorn-recruits-felons-to-be-special.html):


At least seven felons convicted of crimes including cocaine possession and robbery were recruited by a liberal group to register voters in Milwaukee, raising fears they may have committed voter fraud . . . Along with the seven felons, court records show one special registration deputy has a pending felony charge for heroin possession and another is facing a misdemeanor prostitution charge. A third was convicted of misdemeanor prostitution.
And I guess we shouldn't be stunned by the nonchalant reaction to underage prostitution, considering the history of New Mexico (http://www.accessmylibrary.com/coms2/summary_0286-68504_ITM) branch:


The head of a community reform organization faces sentencing after pleading no contest to two counts of criminal sexual contact with a minor in Torrance County. Ben McGartland of Albuquerque, head of the New Mexico chapter of the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now, or ACORN, was charged in July in state District Court in Estancia with 10 counts, including second-degree criminal sexual penetration of a minor, three counts of criminal sexual contact, attempt to commit a felony, kidnapping, concealing identity, two counts of possession of drug paraphernalia and possession of marijuana.
Maybe this really is just another day at the office for the folks at ACORN . . .

[boutons_deux]

Yoni, are such crimes ever committed by bankers, traders, corporate managers? How about San Antonio policemen or SA court employees? :lol

Why do you cherry-pick Acorn's employees but not criminals from other org's?

[Yonivore]

Yoni, are such crimes ever committed by bankers, traders, corporate managers? How about San Antonio policemen or SA court employees? :lol
Are such crimes committed in such volume by several individuals from various branches of the same bank, trading company, corporation, police department, our court?


Why do you cherry-pick Acorn's employees but not criminals from other org's?
Because the criminal activity appears to be so endemic...and, they have such a close relationship with our president.

[Nbadan]

How is this petty crime related to Obama anyway?

[boutons_deux]

"appears to be so endemic"

appears to you.

What about the Acorn offices that blew off the right-wing camera sting crew? do they get any credit?

What if I had 100 hidden-cam videos of Acorn staff doing what they are supposed to do? would such "endemic" behavior "appear" to you to offset the "bad apples"

and why does the "bad apple" argument appear to work for Abu Graib criminals and the military orgnaization they worked but not for Acorn?

[Yonivore]

How is this petty crime related to Obama anyway?
I think that's the part of the story coming up next...maybe not from O'Keefe and Giles but from another citizen journalist doing the job the left-stream media refuses to do.

But, apparently, the Obama campaign funneled over $800,000 to ACORN through some front company called CSI (who happened to share a Chicago office with ACORN) for election work. Not that's it's illegal -- I don't know that it is.

But, why would the Obama campaign need to "funnel" the money to ACORN if it's a legitimate organization?

I think the the main points to the upcoming story are this,

1) The Obama campaign made federal election filings showing they paid over $800,000 to an organization called CSI, inc. for various campaign event-related activities.

2) The citizen journalist discovered this CSI, inc. doesn't perform such services.

3) The citizen journalist called the ED of CSI, inc., said he got his number from the DNC, and asked about having CSI, inc. perform the same services.

4) CSI ED told the citizen journalist they don't do that, ACORN does. All they do is "get out the vote" activity.

5) Citizen journalist called DNC and asks them. They say they just mislabeled the services.

6) Citizen journalist discovers ACORN and CSI share the same Chicago address.

President Obama spoke directly to ACORN during the campaign and said he would be depending on their organization in the upcoming campaign. That he would be calling on them specifically. How many other organizations did he do this with? Besides, the SEIU and AFL-CIO, I mean.

President Obama worked for the organization in the 90's and, even after, separating employment; returned for years, according to ACORN, to train and speak and mentor the people Giles and O'Keefe videotaped.

Here's what I think. The citizen journalists, like O'Keefe and Giles are going to totally destroy ACORN and expose them as the criminal enterprise they obviously are and then, another citizen journalist is going to make the indisputable connection between our president and the organization.

After the 4th ACORN office (San Bernardino), the NYPost asked Hannah Giles how many more videos there were. Her answer, "Plenty..."

Like it or not, left-stream media or not, the citizen-journalists are going to pursue this story relentlessly. That's what I think. Carry on...

[Nbadan]

The citizen journalists, like O'Keefe

...Ha. Ha...you want to base your case on O'Keefe...oh this is gonna be good...

[Yonivore]

"appears to be so endemic"

appears to you.

What about the Acorn offices that blew off the right-wing camera sting crew? do they get any credit?
I don't know, ACORN has had to remove two of the offices from their list of those that allegedly blew off the camera sting after O'Keefe and Giles immediately released videos involving those offices.

I wouldn't trust those that remain on their list will last...

There was a bit of a buzz about how ACORN was having to edit the list but, hey, I can't post everything.


What if I had 100 hidden-cam videos of Acorn staff doing what they are supposed to do? would such "endemic" behavior "appear" to you to offset the "bad apples"

and why does the "bad apple" argument appear to work for Abu Graib criminals and the military orgnaization they worked but not for Acorn?
Again, I think we're talking scope and prevelance. But, go ahead, do your own "hidden camera" operation on ACORN.

[Wild Cobra]

I don't know, ACORN has had to remove two of the offices from their list of those that allegedly blew off the camera sting after O'Keefe and Giles immediately released videos involving those offices.

I haven't really followed this thread, but to get 100% of the six offices he did this to...

Please, with those numbers, someone tell me APORN isn't corrupt.

[Nbadan]

You won't hear about this on FAUX News....2008 GOP Presidential candidate, John McCain was for ACORN before he was against it...


Golly, for a group that's committed so much "voter fraud" for so long (if you're gullible enough to believe the lies that RNC/FNC has been telling you) it's mighty strange that, as News One notes, "McCain attended an ACORN convention just two years ago."

The once-honorable Republican's campaign has even seen fit to produce a video smear ad, attempting to tar Obama with "associations" with ACORN, and alleging the group has committed "massive voter fraud" to boot! (They've yet to produce any actual evidence for that, unfortunately.)

But more than just attending the ACORN-sponsored February 2006 rally, ACORN confirms in a statement today that McCain was actually the keynote speaker!

So now, they wonder, why it is that McCain seems to have "lost that loving feeling"?

"It has deeply saddened us to see Senator McCain abandon his historic support for ACORN and our efforts to support the goals of low-income Americans. Maybe it is out of desperation that Senator McCain has forgotten that he was for ACORN before he was against ACORN," noted Bertha Lewis, Chief Organizer of ACORN.

"We expected Senator McCain to support our efforts to give voice to millions of Americans who have never participated in an election before," she continued. "We are surprised at his efforts to vilify an organization that, until recently, he saw as an ally."

brad blog (http://www.bradblog.com/?p=6508)

[jack sommerset]

Dude. I don't give a fuck about the connection to Obama when it comes to ACORN. Sure it adds a tiny bit to that sleeze balls resume of fucking our country over. Sure he was a lawyer who represented this corrupt company. Seriously, unless some real hardcore evidence comes out that connets Obama to ACORN he gets a pass on this one. I'm glad ACORN is going down. I will say the 7 that voted to keep giving them money probably has a few bones in ACORNs closet they don't want out.

[LnGrrrR]

Please, with those numbers, someone tell me APORN isn't corrupt.

What's APORN? Is that like, grade A porn? And it's corrupt? Give me the website! I'll check it out for you. :lol

[boutons_deux]

http://media.mcclatchydc.com/smedia/2009/09/18/12/09172009Siers.slideshow_main.prod_affiliate.91.jpg

[hope4dopes]

What's APORN? Is that like, grade A porn? And it's corrupt? Give me the website! I'll check it out for you. :lol
Exactlly, It's a community outreach program and pet project of the Obama whitehous that helps desperatly poor underage illegal latina girls get in to the porn industry.

[ashbeeigh]

San Antonio Office....prostitution not included.

http://www.kens5.com/latestnews/stories/KENS20090922-Acorn.1a6d8cfb4.html

[boutons_deux]

Whoops: Anti-ACORN Bill Ropes In Defense Contractors, Others Charged With Fraud
Going after ACORN may be like shooting fish in a barrel lately -- but jumpy lawmakers used a bazooka to do it last week and may have blown up some of their longtime allies in the process.

The congressional legislation intended to defund ACORN, passed with broad bipartisan support, is written so broadly (http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h3571/text) that it applies to "any organization" that has been charged with breaking federal or state election laws, lobbying disclosure laws, campaign finance laws or filing fraudulent paperwork with any federal or state agency. It also applies to any of the employees, contractors or other folks affiliated with a group charged with any of those things.

In other words, the bill could plausibly defund the entire military-industrial complex. Whoops.

Rep. Alan Grayson (D-Fla.) picked up on the legislative overreach and asked the Project on Government Oversight (POGO) to sift through its database to find which contractors might be caught in the ACORN net.

Lockheed Martin and Northrop Gumman both popped up quickly, with 20 fraud cases between them, and the longer list (http://www.contractormisconduct.org/)is a Who's Who of weapons manufacturers and defense contractors.

The language was written by the GOP and filed as a "motion to recommit" in the House, where it passed 345-75.

POGO is reaching out (http://pogoblog.typepad.com/pogo/2009/09/if-congress-attacks-the-mighty-oak-of-contractor-misconduct-it-shouldnt-just-settle-for-an-acorn.html) to its members to identify other companies who have engaged in the type of misconduct that would make them ineligible for federal funds.

Grayson then intends to file that list in the legislative history that goes along with the bill so that judges can reference it when determining whether a company should be denied federal funds.

The Florida freshman is asking for direct assistance. He has set up a Google spreadsheet (http://spreadsheets.google.com/viewform?formkey=dC1WUm40dWk4YnJNQl9sNWR6aHRybnc6M A)where people can suggest contractors (http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=t-VRn4ui8brMB_l5dzhtrnw&output=html) who have been charged with violations and include a link to a media or government report documenting the alleged transgression.

The weapons manufacturers might have a better line of defense in court, however. Immediately after the bill passed, Rep. Jerry Nadler (D-N.Y.), a constitutional whiz, noted that the measure appeared to be a "bill of attainder" -- specifically targeting a company or organization or individual -- and is therefore specifically barred by the Constitution.

If it's not targeted at one group, then Northrop Grumman is in trouble.

Reps. John Conyers (D-Mich.) and Barney Frank (D-Mass.) sent a letter to the Congressional Research Service on Tuesday asking it to clarify, among other things, if the Defund ACORN Act is constitutional.

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Will Fox and Repugs get their screaming, red-faced lynch mobs to go after MIC? you betcha! :lol

[ashbeeigh]

I knew something like that would happen. :lmao There's no way to "defund ACORN" that quickly.

[hope4dopes]

Whoops: Anti-ACORN Bill Ropes In Defense Contractors, Others Charged With Fraud
Going after ACORN may be like shooting fish in a barrel lately -- but jumpy lawmakers used a bazooka to do it last week and may have blown up some of their longtime allies in the process.

The congressional legislation intended to defund ACORN, passed with broad bipartisan support, is written so broadly (http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h3571/text) that it applies to "any organization" that has been charged with breaking federal or state election laws, lobbying disclosure laws, campaign finance laws or filing fraudulent paperwork with any federal or state agency. It also applies to any of the employees, contractors or other folks affiliated with a group charged with any of those things.

In other words, the bill could plausibly defund the entire military-industrial complex. Whoops.

Rep. Alan Grayson (D-Fla.) picked up on the legislative overreach and asked the Project on Government Oversight (POGO) to sift through its database to find which contractors might be caught in the ACORN net.

Lockheed Martin and Northrop Gumman both popped up quickly, with 20 fraud cases between them, and the longer list (http://www.contractormisconduct.org/)is a Who's Who of weapons manufacturers and defense contractors.

The language was written by the GOP and filed as a "motion to recommit" in the House, where it passed 345-75.

POGO is reaching out (http://pogoblog.typepad.com/pogo/2009/09/if-congress-attacks-the-mighty-oak-of-contractor-misconduct-it-shouldnt-just-settle-for-an-acorn.html) to its members to identify other companies who have engaged in the type of misconduct that would make them ineligible for federal funds.

Grayson then intends to file that list in the legislative history that goes along with the bill so that judges can reference it when determining whether a company should be denied federal funds.

The Florida freshman is asking for direct assistance. He has set up a Google spreadsheet (http://spreadsheets.google.com/viewform?formkey=dC1WUm40dWk4YnJNQl9sNWR6aHRybnc6M A)where people can suggest contractors (http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=t-VRn4ui8brMB_l5dzhtrnw&output=html) who have been charged with violations and include a link to a media or government report documenting the alleged transgression.

The weapons manufacturers might have a better line of defense in court, however. Immediately after the bill passed, Rep. Jerry Nadler (D-N.Y.), a constitutional whiz, noted that the measure appeared to be a "bill of attainder" -- specifically targeting a company or organization or individual -- and is therefore specifically barred by the Constitution.

If it's not targeted at one group, then Northrop Grumman is in trouble.

Reps. John Conyers (D-Mich.) and Barney Frank (D-Mass.) sent a letter to the Congressional Research Service on Tuesday asking it to clarify, among other things, if the Defund ACORN Act is constitutional.

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Will Fox and Repugs get their screaming, red-faced lynch mobs to go after MIC? you betcha! :lol

Thank God a blow for the continuation of child prostitution is struck.....Is that Barney Franks mixed up in the middle or ANOTHER prostitution ring?

[Winehole23]

Brooklyn prosecutors find no criminal wrongdoing.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_crime/2010/03/01/2010-03-01_bklyn_acorn_cleared_over_giving_illegal_advice_ on_how_to_hide_money_from_prostit.html#ixzz0gxn9q8 uT

[boutons_deux]

I assume the Dems will continue to shoot themselves in the foot and not have the balls to re-instate funding for their very important electoral partner ACORN.

Breitbart refuses to release all the video tapes of O'Keefe's entrapment of ACORN. I assume that's because he knows his entire anti-ACORN attack would be proven to be bullshit.

[ashbeeigh]

blah blah blah. I'm just so fucking over it. All the ACORN offices need to separate themselves from each other (as they are now), fight for their own funding and just die a slow meaningless death.

I don't even care about the tapes anymore.

[Nbadan]

"They edited the tape to meet their agenda," said the source.

That's all you need to know about O'Keefe, BG.org, and FAUX News..

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_crime/2010/03/01/2010-03-01_bklyn_acorn_cleared_over_giving_illegal_advice_ on_how_to_hide_money_from_prostit.html#ixzz0h4c6cN RF

[Winehole23]

In a press release (http://ag.ca.gov/newsalerts/release.php?id=1888&) announcing his 28-page report [PDF] (http://ag.ca.gov/cms_attachments/press/pdfs/n1888_acorn_report.pdf) (and accompanying 55 pages of attachments and exhibits [PDF] (http://ag.ca.gov/cms_attachments/press/pdfs/n1888_acorn_attachments.pdf) with it), the AG's office says the publicly released videos taken in Los Angeles, San Diego and San Bernardino were "severely edited."
In exchange for "immunity from prosecution," O'Keefe and Giles provided "the full, unedited videotapes" to Brown's office who, therefore, "did not determine if they violated California's Invasion of Privacy Act" when secretly recording the ACORN workers.

http://www.bradblog.com/?p=7780

[boutons_deux]

The entire Repug/conservative "philosophy" is a LIE, is pure racism (rich whiteys suppressing/marginalizing poor blacks/browns), typified by Breitbart's hitjob on HIGHLY EFFECTIVE and 100% legal "community organizer" ACORN.

[boutons_deux]

The entire Repug/conservative "philosophy" is a LIE, is pure racism (rich whiteys suppressing/marginalizing poor blacks/browns), typified by Breitbart's hitjob on HIGHLY EFFECTIVE and 100% legal "community organizer" ACORN.

[Winehole23]

ACORN got likely Democratic Party voters to register. O' Keefe's sting, bogus though it was, trashed their rep.

The motive was political: hurt an organization that helps Dems at the polls. The meme in the background of undeserving, clientelized minorities was just ideological gravy IMO.

[LnGrrrR]

ACORN got likely Democratic Party voters to register. O' Keefe's sting, bogus though it was, trashed their rep.

The motive was political: hurt an organization that helps Dems at the polls. The meme in the background of undeserving, clientelized minorities was just ideological gravy IMO.

True, it was sleazy. But that's why organizations should have standards... so they're not made out to look like sleazebags :)

That's my whole point about not legalizing torture, or calling out soldiers that do something stupid on camera, etc etc. Do I expect everyone to hold up to the standards? Of course not. Heck, lots of good people fall short.

But if ACORN had some company training, and were able to point to that and say, "Hey, look, these people were outliers and didn't follow the recognized policies/principles/standards" I don't believe the fallout would have been as bad.

[Winehole23]

If the librul media hadn't naively passed off O'Keefe's heavily edited/overdubbed videos as authentic, to say nothing of his bogus tale of passing as a pimp, the fallout wouldn't have been as bad either. The MSM let itself be a passive megaphone for a malicious hoax. Shame on them, too.

[Winehole23]

And all of the cowlike dummies who let themselves be led by the nose, for that matter.

[LnGrrrR]

The MSM let itself be a passive megaphone for a malicious hoax.

Par for the course, I'm afraid. Colbert had it pegged long ago.

[boutons_deux]

MSM has no shame, only profit motives, and they run with and hide in the MSM herd.

Murdoch was shamelessly lying yesterday about Fox's support for tea baggers.

[Nbadan]

In all fairness the M$M did try and resist this story for awhile, but under the pulpit of the wing-nut megaphone it was powerless to resist....that's the real power of wing-nut radio..

[Winehole23]

The NYT held out, like three days.

[Nbadan]

..and those fucktards still won't go back and say they fucked up...it's absurd...