UFC 104 Lyoto Machida vs Mauricio Rua

[Evan]

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Main card
Light Heavyweight Championship bout: Lyoto Machida (c) vs Mauricio Rua
Heavyweight bout: Cain Velasquez vs. Ben Rothwell
Lightweight bout: Gleison Tibau vs. Josh Neer
Lightweight bout: Joe Stevenson vs. Spencer Fisher
Welterweight bout: Anthony Johnson vs. Yoshiyuki Yoshida

Preliminary card

Middleweight bout: Yushin Okami vs. Chael Sonnen
Heavyweight bout: Antoni Hardonk vs. Patrick Barry
Middleweight bout: Jorge Rivera vs. Rob Kimmons
Light Heavyweight bout: Ryan Bader vs. Eric Schafer
Light Heavyweight bout: Kyle Kingsbury vs. Razak Al-Hassan
Heavyweight bout: Stefan Struve vs. Chase Gormley

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yes...this is early...but

1. Its Lyoto, so deal with it
2. UFC 103 sucks hard core
3. I'm a mod *flexes*

[dbreiden83080]

Nice and Early Evan, for Machida.. :lol


Yo Evan one suggestion, maybe put the main event fight in the thread title..

Edit: Ahh good Man..

[dbreiden83080]

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Main card
Light Heavyweight Championship bout: Lyoto Machida (c) vs Mauricio Rua
Heavyweight bout: Cain Velasquez vs. Ben Rothwell
Lightweight bout: Gleison Tibau vs. Josh Neer
Lightweight bout: Joe Stevenson vs. Spencer Fisher
Welterweight bout: Anthony Johnson vs. Yoshiyuki Yoshida

Preliminary card

Middleweight bout: Yushin Okami vs. Chael Sonnen
Heavyweight bout: Antoni Hardonk vs. Patrick Barry
Middleweight bout: Jorge Rivera vs. Rob Kimmons
Light Heavyweight bout: Ryan Bader vs. Eric Schafer
Light Heavyweight bout: Kyle Kingsbury vs. Razak Al-Hassan
Heavyweight bout: Stefan Struve vs. Chase Gormley

**********************

yes...this is early...but

1. Its Lyoto, so deal with it
2. UFC 103 sucks hard core
3. I'm a mod *flexes*

100% agree on number 2

[dbreiden83080]

Main card
Light Heavyweight Championship bout: Lyoto Machida (c) vs Mauricio Rua
Heavyweight bout: Cain Velasquez vs. Ben Rothwell
Lightweight bout: Gleison Tibau vs. Josh Neer
Lightweight bout: Joe Stevenson vs. Spencer Fisher
Welterweight bout: Anthony Johnson vs. Yoshiyuki Yoshida

Preliminary card

Middleweight bout: Yushin Okami vs. Chael Sonnen
Heavyweight bout: Antoni Hardonk vs. Patrick Barry
Middleweight bout: Jorge Rivera vs. Rob Kimmons
Light Heavyweight bout: Ryan Bader vs. Eric Schafer
Light Heavyweight bout: Kyle Kingsbury vs. Razak Al-Hassan
Heavyweight bout: Stefan Struve vs. Chase Gormley



Picks nice and early..

[angelbelow]

I respect both fighters but Shoguns always been my favorite so my vote goes to him. Should be an awesome fight though!

[polandprzem]

If Rothwell will put an upset it will spoil UFC plans for title contenders on HW division.

Machida vs Rua might be an awesome fight esp. when Machida is the guy who likes to feel the rhythm of the fight and opponent, so I feel it can go 3 or more rounds. Shogun is the total pack. The difference will be the speed.

[Evan]

Nice and Early Evan, for Machida.. :lol


Yo Evan one suggestion, maybe put the main event fight in the thread title..

Edit: Ahh good Man..

:toast

[ATRAIN]

Main card
Light Heavyweight Championship bout: Lyoto Machida (c) vs Mauricio Rua
Heavyweight bout: Cain Velasquez vs. Ben Rothwell
Lightweight bout: Gleison Tibau vs. Josh Neer
Lightweight bout: Joe Stevenson vs. Spencer Fisher
Welterweight bout: Anthony Johnson vs. Yoshiyuki Yoshida

Preliminary card

Middleweight bout: Yushin Okami vs. Chael Sonnen
Heavyweight bout: Antoni Hardonk vs. Patrick Barry
Middleweight bout: Jorge Rivera vs. Rob Kimmons
Light Heavyweight bout: Ryan Bader vs. Eric Schafer
Light Heavyweight bout: Kyle Kingsbury vs. Razak Al-Hassan
Heavyweight bout: Stefan Struve vs. Chase Gormley



Picks nice and early..


Damn you DB these are my exact picks

[ATRAIN]

Light Heavyweight Championship bout: Lyoto Machida (c) vs Mauricio Rua
Heavyweight bout: Cain Velasquez vs. Ben Rothwell
Lightweight bout: Gleison Tibau vs. Josh Neer
Lightweight bout: Joe Stevenson vs. Spencer Fisher
Welterweight bout: Anthony Johnson vs. Yoshiyuki Yoshida

Preliminary card

Middleweight bout: Yushin Okami vs. Chael Sonnen
Heavyweight bout: Antoni Hardonk vs. Patrick Barry
Middleweight bout: Jorge Rivera vs. Rob Kimmons
Light Heavyweight bout: Ryan Bader vs. Eric Schafer

[ATRAIN]

As much as I like Sho gun he is going to get smashed.

Machida wins by Karate Chop to the face!!

[ATRAIN]

For some reason Rothwell looks like Big Country to me. When I saw the event poster I was thinking wow how did this guy get the fight when he is on the Ultimate fighter :lmao.

[dbreiden83080]

Damn you DB these are my exact picks

You can keep the Bader pick and i'll switch to a different fight on the Undercard if you want..

[dbreiden83080]

As much as I like Sho gun he is going to get smashed.

Machida wins by Karate Chop to the face!!

Yeah Machida will draw Shogun out, wait for openings and when they come, attack and finish..

[ATRAIN]

You can keep the Bader pick and i'll switch to a different fight on the Undercard if you want..


Yeah Machida will draw Shogun out, wait for openings and when they come, attack and finish..

Nah its cool we will either win big or fall at the same time lol.

[Evan]

Fucking hell I cant wait for this card!!!!!!

[ATRAIN]

Fucking hell I cant wait for this card!!!!!!

Yeah the last card sucked and I am glad I didnt pay for it lol.

[BlackSwordsMan]

holy shit why is okami a prelim fight

[djohn14]

Light Heavyweight Championship bout: Lyoto Machida (c) vs Mauricio Rua-Hes just too fast/elusive/better at most things
Heavyweight bout: Cain Velasquez vs. Ben Rothwell-No chance in Hell I pick against Cain "The Top Heavyweight Prospect Bar None" Velasquez
Lightweight bout: Gleison Tibau vs. Josh Neer-Every time I pick against Neer he wins so what the Hell!
Lightweight bout: Joe Stevenson vs. Spencer Fisher-This is going to be a good Mother Fucking God Damn Hell of a Fucking fight!
Welterweight bout: Anthony Johnson vs. Yoshiyuki Yoshida-Yoshi will get Knocked the Fuck out!

[djohn14]

holy shit why is okami a prelim fight

Idk hes getting the Jon Fitch treatment.

[Evan]

holy shit why is okami a prelim fight

nobody likes him but serious die hards

[BlackSwordsMan]

bring back soccer kicks for this match and he'll win

[Blackjack]

Is Velasquez really that hard of a name to pronounce?

I mean, has anyone in the national media, or anyone doing promotions, ever heard a Spanish-speaking person say names like: Velasquez, Vasquez, Marquez or even Sanchez for that matter?:lol

[Evan]

Light Heavyweight Championship bout: Lyoto Machida (c) vs Mauricio Rua
Heavyweight bout: Cain Velasquez vs. Ben Rothwell
Lightweight bout: Gleison Tibau vs. Josh Neer
Lightweight bout: Joe Stevenson vs. Spencer Fisher
Welterweight bout: Anthony Johnson vs. Yoshiyuki Yoshida

Preliminary card

Middleweight bout: Yushin Okami vs. Chael Sonnen
Heavyweight bout: Antoni Hardonk vs. Patrick Barry

^ if we go to 7 picks...if not drop Neer & Hardonk.

[dbreiden83080]

Light Heavyweight Championship bout: Lyoto Machida (c) vs Mauricio Rua
Heavyweight bout: Cain Velasquez vs. Ben Rothwell
Lightweight bout: Gleison Tibau vs. Josh Neer
Lightweight bout: Joe Stevenson vs. Spencer Fisher
Welterweight bout: Anthony Johnson vs. Yoshiyuki Yoshida

Preliminary card

Middleweight bout: Yushin Okami vs. Chael Sonnen
Heavyweight bout: Antoni Hardonk vs. Patrick Barry

^ if we go to 7 picks...if not drop Neer & Hardonk.

Lets stick with 5 and figure out how to alter it for next year..

[Stringer_Bell]

5 picks is too rich for my blood, and I'm still nursing my prediction skills (1-1 record) after Gina got assaulted by that man...

Light Heavyweight Championship bout: Lyoto Machida (c) vs Mauricio Rua
Heavyweight bout: Cain Velasquez vs. Ben Rothwell
Welterweight bout: Anthony Johnson vs. Yoshiyuki Yoshida

Machida is a warrior, but I feel like Rua might be approaching the fight in a way that allows him to adapt better to whatever Machida throws at him. Even if I'm wrong, no way are Velasquez and Johnson losing so at least I have those two locked. :downspin:

[Soul_Patch]

Main card
Light Heavyweight Championship bout: Lyoto Machida (c) vs Mauricio Rua
Heavyweight bout: Cain Velasquez vs. Ben Rothwell
Lightweight bout: Gleison Tibau vs. Josh Neer
Lightweight bout: Joe Stevenson vs. Spencer Fisher
Welterweight bout: Anthony Johnson vs. Yoshiyuki Yoshida

Preliminary card

Middleweight bout: Yushin Okami vs. Chael Sonnen
Heavyweight bout: Antoni Hardonk vs. Patrick Barry
Middleweight bout: Jorge Rivera vs. Rob Kimmons
Light Heavyweight bout: Ryan Bader vs. Eric Schafer
Light Heavyweight bout: Kyle Kingsbury vs. Razak Al-Hassan
Heavyweight bout: Stefan Struve vs. Chase Gormley

[dallaskd]

Light Heavyweight Championship bout: Lyoto Machida vs Mauricio Rua
Heavyweight bout: Cain Velasquez vs. Ben Rothwell
Lightweight bout: Gleison Tibau vs. Josh Neer
Lightweight bout: Joe Stevenson vs. Spencer Fisher
Welterweight bout: Anthony Johnson vs. Yoshiyuki Yoshida

[djohn14]

Heavyweight bout: Cain Velasquez vs. Ben Rothwell


I hate you

[polandprzem]

Main card
Light Heavyweight Championship bout: Lyoto Machida (c) vs Mauricio Rua
Heavyweight bout: Cain Velasquez vs. Ben Rothwell
Lightweight bout: Gleison Tibau vs. Josh Neer
Lightweight bout: Joe Stevenson vs. Spencer Fisher
Welterweight bout: Anthony Johnson vs. Yoshiyuki Yoshida

Preliminary card

Middleweight bout: Yushin Okami vs.Chael Sonnen
Heavyweight bout: Antoni Hardonk vs. Patrick Barry
Middleweight bout: Jorge Rivera vs. Rob Kimmons
Light Heavyweight bout: Ryan Bader vs. Eric Schafer
Light Heavyweight bout: Kyle Kingsbury vs. Razak Al-Hassan
Heavyweight bout: [B]Stefan Struve vs.Chase Gormley

[Soul_Patch]

There are some great fights on this card, from top to bottom. Looking forward to it.

People really picking against Machida? I think this fight is a no contest, but maybe im wrong.

[LEONARD]

I think Shogun has the perfect style for Machida to pick apart...

that and Shogun hasn't been the same guy since he dislocated his elbow in 2005. Shogun v2005 could possibly give Machida some problems...I don't think today's Shogun can...

[dbreiden83080]

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[2centsworth]

If shogun returns to form he will win convincingly. Long shot of this happening, so machida quick

[NoiNoiPinoy]

I dunno man. Striking with the karate boy requires some weird timing. Shogun's hands aren't as good either. Lil Nog did a good job boxing with him way back when. I pick Machida.

I want to see someone try to smother and control Machida with wrestling. I thought Rashad would try it, but I was wrong.

[dbreiden83080]

Full Event Preview,

Ben Rothwell seems like a really Cool Cat...





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[polandprzem]

Only on ESPN !

[dallaskd]

Bump.

Countdown is on Monday.

[BlackSwordsMan]

that's still shitty they put okami in a prelim slot

[djohn14]

Light Heavyweight Championship bout: Lyoto Machida (c) vs Mauricio Rua-I dont guess Im gonna be picking against him anytime soon
Heavyweight bout: Cain Velasquez vs. Ben Rothwell-The beast is back
Lightweight bout: Gleison Tibau vs. Josh Neer-Neer by submission
Lightweight bout: Joe Stevenson vs. Spencer Fisher-Good fight here
Welterweight bout: Anthony Johnson vs. Yoshiyuki Yoshida-Anthony by KO

[dallaskd]

meh.. changed my picked to machida and cain.

[djohn14]

meh.. changed my picked to machida and cain.

I knew you would come around :lol

[Evan]

that's still shitty they put okami in a prelim slot

Fans & media just don't care for Okami. The only people who know he exists are die hards.

[desflood]

Main card
Light Heavyweight Championship bout: Lyoto Machida vs Mauricio Rua
Heavyweight bout: Cain Velasquez vs. Ben Rothwell
Lightweight bout: Gleison Tibau vs. Josh Neer
Lightweight bout: Joe Stevenson vs. Spencer Fisher
Welterweight bout: Anthony Johnson vs. Yoshiyuki Yoshida

Preliminary card

Middleweight bout: Yushin Okami vs. Chael Sonnen
Heavyweight bout: Antoni Hardonk vs. Patrick Barry
Middleweight bout: Jorge Rivera vs. Rob Kimmons
Light Heavyweight bout: Ryan Bader vs. Eric Schafer
Light Heavyweight bout: Kyle Kingsbury vs. Razak Al-Hassan
Heavyweight bout: Stefan Struve vs. Chase Gormley

[desflood]

Fans & media just don't care for Okami. The only people who know he exists are die hards.
Yes, and I find that odd considering how he manhandled Swick when Mike was still pretty popular.

[djohn14]

Yes, and I find that odd considering how he manhandled Swick when Mike was still pretty popular.

Its because fans want to see fights finished, and if your not a die-hard fan, thats pretty much all that matters. I know hes had a good number of fights in the UFC, and I know for a fact they went to a decision in like 80 percent of them. Of course people like me and you, and most of us here appreciate him and want to see him on the card, but thats not a popular decision with the people that want to see "sick submissions and people getting knocked the fuck out". Sad but true.

[angelbelow]

I had a dream that Wanderlei did heavy damage to Machida but Machida eventually knocked him out cold lol.

[oligarchy]

Light Heavyweight Championship bout: Lyoto Machida vs Mauricio Rua
Heavyweight bout: Cain Velasquez vs. Ben Rothwell
Lightweight bout: Gleison Tibau vs. Josh Neer
Lightweight bout: Joe Stevenson vs. Spencer Fisher
Welterweight bout: Anthony Johnson vs. Yoshiyuki Yoshida

[desflood]

Weigh-ins at 6 p.m. (for those of us in Texas).

http://mmajunkie.com/news/16593/watch-todays-ufc-104-fighter-weigh-ins-live-on-mmajunkie-com-at-7-p-m-et.mma

[cool cat]

I think Rua will put up a good fight. His size and legnth is something Machida hasn't had to deal with in his last few fights(they list Thiago Silva as 6'1 but i dont think he is that big).

But at the end of the day I have to pick Machida, the guy hasn't lost a round in the UFC.

[desflood]

The full weigh-in results included:

MAIN CARD (Pay-per-view)

•Champ Lyoto Machida (202.5) vs. Mauricio "Shogun" Rua (204.5)
•Ben Rothwell (265) vs. Cain Velasquez (238)
•Spencer Fisher (155) vs. Joe Stevenson (155.5)
•Anthony Johnson (176)+ vs. Yoshiyuki Yoshida (170)
•Josh Neer (156.5)* vs. Gleison Tibau (157)*

PRELIMINARY CARD (Spike TV)

•Ryan Bader (205) vs. Eric Schafer (205.5)
•Patrick Barry (237) vs. Antoni Hardonk (249.5)

PRELIMINARY CARD (Not televised)

•Yushin Okami (185) vs. Chael Sonnen (185)
•Rob Kimmons (185) vs. Jorge Rivera (185)
•Razak Al-Hassan (204.5) vs. Kyle Kingsbury (205.5)
•Stefan Struve (243.5) vs. Chase Gormley (262)

* - Both fighters have agreed to fight at their current weights, according to event emcee Joe Rogan; no additional weight-cutting will be needed
+ - Johnson failed to make weight and had already notified his opponent; the fight will be held at 176 pounds with Johnson surrendering 20 percent of his purse to Yoshida

[Evan]

Champ Lyoto Machida (202.5) vs. Mauricio "Shogun" Rua (204.5)
•Ben Rothwell (265) vs. Cain Velasquez (238)
•Spencer Fisher (155) vs. Joe Stevenson (155.5)
•Anthony Johnson (176)+ vs. Yoshiyuki Yoshida (170)

•Patrick Barry (237) vs. Antoni Hardonk (249.5)

PRELIMINARY CARD (Not televised)

•Yushin Okami (185) vs. Chael Sonnen (185)


•Rob Kimmons (185) vs. Jorge Rivera (185)
When the hell did Jorge get back in the UFC??!?!? lol

[cornbread]

Lyoto
Johnson
Velasquez
Stevenson
Bader

[dallaskd]

shogun has a hot wife

[Evan]

shogun has a hot wife

She teaches arobics in brazil

[dallaskd]

She teaches arobics in brazil

ayyy really now? Do you know where in brasil?

[Stringer_Bell]

As an update to my previous prediction http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3704997&postcount=26

Rua
Velasquez
Neer
Stevenson
Johnson

Even if Rua loses by the 3rd round, I'm confident he will land more punches on Lyoto than any previous fighter. That's not a win in the record books, but it will show people Lyoto isn't untouchable. GET AT IT HOMIE!!!

Also, some punk kids updated the UFC 104 page to show Lyoto vs "my nutsack." Not funny. They also changed Anthony Johnson to "overweight donkey. That was kind of funny.

[dallaskd]

My girl is buying this at her place tonight. Why did god bless me with ass like this?

[BlackSwordsMan]

la is full of douchebags I agree joe

[dbreiden83080]

Cain wins easy but Mazzagatti with another bad stop..

[anakha]

Cain wins easy but Mazzagatti with another bad stop..

Jesus Christ, this.

Mazzagati could have had several legit stoppages earlier in the fight, and he still manages to fuck it up.

[BlackSwordsMan]

meh he was fucked

[dbreiden83080]

Jesus Christ, this.

Mazzagati could have had several legit stoppages earlier in the fight, and he still manages to fuck it up.

Not a big deal to me but when you are on the way up, you don't stop the fight, Ben was okay to go on. That said he lost bad..

[djohn14]

Missed all the fights so far....Read that Anthony Johnson won by KO...dosent surprise me...was it highlight worthy? Also Ive read that my boy Cain dominated....was it really domination?

[dbreiden83080]

Missed all the fights so far....Read that Anthony Johnson won by KO...dosent surprise me...was it highlight worthy? Also Ive read that my boy Cain dominated....was it really domination?

Cain owned Rothwell, 10-8 RD 1 finished it in RD 2. Rumble won easy KO but he didn't make weight so it's tainted..

[djohn14]

Cain owned Rothwell, 10-8 RD 1 finished it in RD 2. Rumble won easy KO but he didn't make weight so it's tainted..

Thanks dbreiden:toast

[dbreiden83080]

Cain lacks the power of a Brock/Carwin but he sets a pace in there like no other Heavyweight in the world, that may set him apart ultimately..

[anakha]

Not a big deal to me but when you are on the way up, you don't stop the fight, Ben was okay to go on. That said he lost bad..

Exactly what I meant.

It simply looked like Mazzagati was doing an NBA-style makeup call.

[dbreiden83080]

Machida looks tentative, Shogun won RD 1..

[dbreiden83080]

Close RD 2, Shogun may be up 2-0, Machida not looking good

[anakha]

Close RD 2, Shogun may be up 2-0, Machida not looking good

Yeah, I've got it 2-0 myself.

Damn, Shogun's gonna shut up a lot of people if he pulls this off.

[dbreiden83080]

RD 3 very close, Machida might have pulled it out close fight heading to RD 4..

[resistanze]

It's 2-1 Shogun

[anakha]

Machida's going to have to finish this fight - I don't think he's winning a decision at this point.

[dbreiden83080]

Shogun is winning this fight, headiing to RD 5, i think Machida needs a KO..

[anakha]

3-1 in my scorecard now.

[resistanze]

It's a wrap unless something spectacular happens.

[BlackSwordsMan]

holy shit machida looks like shit

[BlackSwordsMan]

5-0 shogun
seriously

[dbreiden83080]

Shogun won easy IMO, really took it to Machida the last 3 rds, we'll see what the scores are..

[dbreiden83080]

5-0 shogun
seriously

I bet the scores are closer than that

[anakha]

Wtf

[BlackSwordsMan]

wow
fucking robbery gtfo

[BlackSwordsMan]

3-2 machida? are you fucking kidding

[dbreiden83080]

Holy Shit they gave it to Machida 48-47 WOW

[resistanze]

LMAO! Wow.

[dbreiden83080]

5-0 shogun
seriously

I knew it would be closer than that because the first 3 rds were pretty close, i had it for Shogun though.

[oligarchy]

Such a bullshit decision.

[dbreiden83080]

Shogun dominated RD 4 and 5 i thought, but none of the 3 judges gave him any of the 1st 3 obviously..

[Rip-Hamilton32]

finally someone besides chuck defends the lhw title even if he didnt really win

[oligarchy]

Shogun dominated RD 4 and 5 i thought, but none of the 3 judges gave him any of the 1st 3 obviously..

None of the judges watched the fight obviously.. :lol

Man, my panties were all wet thinking of Silva versus Shogun.. then about a minute later, Joe Rogan has the same epiphany. My wife said, "you guys dating?" There goes my night.

[resistanze]

Well, if he didn't lose that fight, Machida well never lose.

[BlackSwordsMan]

such bullshit

[mystargtr34]

Maybe the judges look favourably at denying take downs and technical ability. Rua got more shots off, but maybe they thought Lyoto didnt get hurt aswell... This ones tough to explain.

[redzero]

lolololololo

[Evan]

Bad decision and I have been a die hard Lyoto fan for years.

1. I think Lyoto broke/cracked a rib early
2. Lyoto only won 2 rounds
3. Thats what you get when you let it go to a decision, you get screwed.
4. There will be a rematch

Average card. Not bad but not great...I enjoyed it regardless.

[Stringer_Bell]

Rua got more shots off, but maybe they thought Lyoto didnt get hurt aswell...

They don't think he got hurt? Lyoto might want to take a week off from walking.

I believe in Machida's competitive spirit and I think the the inexplicable decision is enough to have all sides agree to a re-match. I wonder what Dana thinks...I kept hoping that Shogun would finish him in the 4th, but it's so hard to rush Lyoto when you think you can safely pull a decision and shock the world to get that belt.

Fucksticks. Srsly.

Also, Cain is legit.

[mystargtr34]

They don't think he got hurt? Lyoto might want to take a week off from walking.

I believe in Machida's competitive spirit and I think the the inexplicable decision is enough to have all sides agree to a re-match. I wonder what Dana thinks...I kept hoping that Shogun would finish him in the 4th, but it's so hard to rush Lyoto when you think you can safely pull a decision and shock the world to get that belt.

Fucksticks. Srsly.

Also, Cain is legit.

What i ment to say was, landing head shots are more noticable than kicks. Ie seeing a fighters head snap back or drawing blood, as opposed to kicks where the fighter being kicked barely flinches...

Either way, Shogun won the fight.

[anakha]

LOL Wikipedia - for a few minutes, the UFC 104 result on Machida's page showed Decision (Fixed Fight).

[angelbelow]

damn i couldnt watch the fight cause i had to study, but sucks reading thru everyones comments.

[dallaskd]

aight im drunk as fuck right now so imma lay down was up..

machida lost that fight. i mean shit those refs deserve a blow job or somehihng form those damn bookies. fuck me that decision was worse than bisping hamill

id rather see titties in there than fucking rothwell. cain fucking steam rolled his ass. i think he might be for real. but who knos. i dont givem y shti

alright. ok. stevenson was solid. props
random thought. tibau is fucking huge for a LW. wouldnt mind seeing him vs penn..

lets see stephan struve is a chode. anthony johson is a beast.

maybe thats a good stratigy chop on someones fucking legs. forrest did it to page. and so did shogun tonight. shit. k ima go eat something maybe

[dallaskd]

Holy Shit they gave it to Machida 48-47 WOW

how the fuck are you gonna give that decision to machida when shogun has bellys to feed?

[dallaskd]

DB you know anthony johnson would tag ya nigga up..

[Stringer_Bell]

Check out the UFC youtube page comments. People are, um, angry lol

Give us a re-match on Spike TV for free!!!

[dbreiden83080]

DB you know anthony johnson would tag ya nigga up..

HUH???

If you mean GSP he would fuck Johnson up like crazy..

[dallaskd]

HUH???

If you mean GSP he would fuck Johnson up like crazy..

nigga he would lay hands on your homeboy..

[dbreiden83080]

One thought i have on this is that we have to remember that the judges are not listening to any of the commentary during the fight. This has happened in boxing before. The De la Hoya vs Mosley rematch in 2003, is a perfect example. I saw that fight live on PPV and agreed with the commentators that Oscar won the fight. Therefore most that saw it on TV agreed Oscar had won.. However many sitting ringside that night, agreed with the Judges scoring and gave it to Mosely. Rogan and Goldberg sided with Shogun for much of the fight, but as i said in the thread, the first 3 rds were pretty close and they are not listening to anything, just watching. So we get a controversial decision..

Bring on the rematch i say....

[dbreiden83080]

nigga he would lay hands on your homeboy..

Hard to do that when you are on your back eating elbows and fists, he is not ready for GSP.. Hell he's not ready for Fitch...

This dude has fought nothing but cans..

[cornbread]

I missed all the fights because I did a zombie pub-crawl in Denver tonight. Sounds like I missed some controversy.

[dbreiden83080]

Sounds like I missed some controversy.

Oh yes...

[dallaskd]

Hard to do that when you are on your back eating elbows and fists, he is not ready for GSP.. Hell he's not ready for Fitch...

GSP would eat him alive on the ground, but people dont realize how good of a wrestler johnson is. He would probably do better on the feet than alves did imo. i still need to see fitch put on that career defining moment. imo hes still done about as much in his career as swick.

[dbreiden83080]

He would probably do better on the feet than alves did imo.

You're more drunk than you realize.. :lol

[dallaskd]

was any body else impressed by sonnen? He could be a very good gatekeeper but thats about the ceiling on him.

[dallaskd]

You're more drunk than you realize.. :lol

nigga johnson would piece up alves

[dbreiden83080]

Sherdog Scoring..


Round 1
Shogun lands a left hook that makes Machida grimace. The champion goes to the Thai plum, where he lands several knees to the body. Shogun charges forward and clinches with his foe against the fencing. The fighters separate and Machida blasts Rua with a left kick to the body. Machida lands a hard knee to the body and Shogun dives in for a takedown. Machida easily defends and then slips away from a Rua head-kick attempt. This fight provides an interesting visual: Machida with his traditional karate stance, and Shogun with a rigid Thai stance. Shogun lands a hard low kick and Machida answers with a kick to the body. The first round is an interesting and close chess match.

Jordan Breen scores the round 10-9 Machida
Brian Knapp scores the round 10-9 Rua
Mike Fridley scores the round 10-9 Rua

Round 2
Shogun goes to the legs of Machida to kickoff the second period. Machida lands a straight right that backs Rua up to the fence. Machida steps forward and cracks Rua with a left kick to the ribs. Shogun tries to attack and Machida glides away. Machida gets his movement cut off and he absorbs a hard Thai kick to the body. Both sides of Machida’s body are red. Shogun lands an unintentional knee to the groin from the clinch. Rua attacks the legs with kicks and knees to close the round.

Jordan Breen scores the round 10-9 Machida
Brian Knapp scores the round 10-9 Machida
Mike Fridley scores the round 10-9 Rua

Round 3
Shogun lands a snapping kick to the body and Machida is looking frustrated. The pace slows and the crowd briefly lets the fighters hear it. Machida goes to the midsection with a kick. Machida draws Shogun in and unloads with a right hand. Rua drops levels for a takedown and Machida stops it. Shogun lands two hard low kicks and a crushing kick to the ribs. It appears as Machida has been out scouted in this bout, as Rua is having his way with Machida with low kicks whenever the champion raises his leg to attack. Machida and Shogun exchange and Shogun gets the better of it with a hard-counter right. Machida landed a knee to the gut to start the trade, but was hurt by Rua’s right.

Jordan Breen scores the round 10-9 Rua
Brian Knapp scores the round 10-9 Machida
Mike Fridley scores the round 10-9 Rua

Round 4
The pace slows in the first championship round. Rua lands a kick to the leg and body. Machida slips and Shogun sprints in to score a takedown. The reflexes of Machida are on display as he springs to his feet and stops the challenger’s advance with underhooks. Machida steps forward and is absolutely blasted with a knee to the body. Machida seems content to drop the round as he circles and avoids Rua for the final minute.

Jordan Breen scores the round 10-9 Rua
Brian Knapp scores the round 10-9 Rua
Mike Fridley scores the round 10-9 Rua

Round 5
Both fighters land simultaneously as Shogun connects with a kick to the body and Machida scores with a straight-right hand. Machida sneaks in a right on the chin and a knee to the body. Rua clinches with the champion and referee Herb Dean separates them. Rua lands a standing elbow and a right hand. Rua stays on the attack, but starts to miss wildly as Machida shows the movement that made him famous. Rua dances in the cage and counters a fast punching attack by Machida with a knee.

Jordan Breen scores the round 10-9 Rua (48-47 Rua)
Brian Knapp scores the round 10-9 Rua (48-47 Rua)
Mike Fridley scores the round 10-9 Rua (50-45 Rua)

[dbreiden83080]

nigga johnson would piece up alves

Come on dude he hasn't fought anybody yet...

It's not like he beat up Koscheck tonight..

[dallaskd]

Come on dude he hasn't fought anybody yet...

It's not like he beat up Koscheck tonight..

Koscheck is a punk ass too. go through his fights.. he has never beat a top 10 WW unless you consider Diego top 10 at UFC 69. and Diego is LW anyways..

[dbreiden83080]

Koscheck is a punk ass too. go through his fights.. he has never beat a top 10 WW unless you consider Diego top 10 at UFC 69. and Diego is LW anyways..

Kos destroyed the same fighter that Johnson did 2night in the same fashion and Johnson has fought nobody, so i don't see the relevance..

[dallaskd]

Tell me Johnson has faught cans.. So has Kos, he has just fought more of them. whevener he has fought top 15 WWs he has lost every time. And Paulo Thiago... come on.

[dbreiden83080]

Tell me Johnson has faught cans.. So has Kos, he has just fought more of them. whevener he has fought top 15 WWs he has lost every time. And Paulo Thiago... come on.

He has to fight an Alves, a Fitch, a Kos to be credible, he has not done that yet. Are you saying he deserves a title shot here? Johnson hasn't even fought someone like Swick yet. GSP is the best 170 of all time and that shit's not even close.. This guy has to prove himself, first before he gets a crack..

[dbreiden83080]

I'd drop an easy $100 for anyone picking GSP over Johnson?

Johnson gets smoked so bad right now. Everyone said Alves is a wrecking machine who will test GSP and he got beat the fuck up for 5 rds like a rookie.. What does Johnson have for GSP??

[dallaskd]

Swick has a better resume than Fitch. Who has fitch beat besides alves in 2006 and a split over diego.. none of these guys are worthy to face GSP. no ways johnson gets run through any worse than fitch and alves did.

[dallaskd]

jake shields is the only one who is a legitimate number 2. everyone is a fake. might as well see what johnson can do in there. we know what the other guys cant do..

[polandprzem]

Machida was so confident, well maybe even cocky when he was talking before the fight.

In the fight really, there was nothing that Machida had on Shogun. Shogun was patient as never and had great gameplan. He knew whee he can find openings and he demonstrate it on Dragon.
Vicious kicks to mid section whenever machida wanted to attack.
Then Shougun absolutely taken machidas legs out of the fight. Lyoto tried lso knees where shogun was succesfull with clinch, and in a clinch he was destrying machidas legs or made a break the clinch with elbow. If he could finish one takedown and test machida on the ground ...

When Bruce was reading the decission I was like what? Every judge gave a win only by one point to Shogun?! WTF. But when he said Lyotooooo ...
I could not belive. Shit that was wrong.


Mazzagatti - there was always a case that he stops he fights too late. So he decided to put one early stoppeage into his resume.
Cain is great and technical, but I don't know if he could beat Carwin with carwins wrestling.

[polandprzem]

btw. machida did not said he thinks he won the fight but that judges scored like this. :)

[Evan]

From Kevin Iole...who has a point.

***************************************

The men who should be facing the wrath of those who felt Rua had won should not be Hamilton, Peoples and Rosales, who rendered their opinions in a very technical, taut affair. Rather, Rua supporters should be angry at his corner men, who continually told him he was well ahead.

Rua said he didn't press the action in the final two rounds because his corner had told him he was in control. If that's true, it's that advice that cost him the fight. And it's always the worst kind of advice to give a fighter in any match, but particularly a technical fight like Machida-Rua.

And while many disagree with the judges, their decision is at least defensible. ...

This was a fight that was there for Rua to win and he simply didn't win it. Had the decision gone Rua's way, Machida couldn't have complained, because there was little to choose from in many of the rounds. It was a very close fight and a case could be made for either man in most of the rounds.

[Evan]

Nelson Hamilton
Round 1 - Shogun
Round 2 - Machida
Round 3 - Machida
Round 4 - Machida
Round 5 - Shogun

Cecil Peoples
Round 1 - Machida
Round 2 - Machida
Round 3 - Machida
Round 4 - Shogun
Round 5 - Shogun

Marcos Rosales
Round 1 - Machida
Round 2 - Machida
Round 3 - Machida
Round 4 - Shogun
Round 5 - Shogun

[polandprzem]

Close fight
http://fightmetric.com/fights/Machida-Shogun.html

R2 is funny looking at the scorecard

[polandprzem]

Rd1. Quite even and slight adventage Shogun 10-9 rua
Rd2. 10-9 rua no doubt
Rd3. 10-9 machida (pretty close though as mauricio landed some vicious kicks)
Rd4. 10-10 what the heck
Rd5. 10-9 rua

49-47 rua

that's my scorecad after watchin this fight once again

[polandprzem]

Sometimes I think I'm posting to myself ...

[dallaskd]

What was with Mike and Joe giving out their twitter accounts during the fight? Seriously the ufc needs to dump goldy. hes terrible..

[dbreiden83080]

Swick has a better resume than Fitch. Who has fitch beat besides alves in 2006 and a split over diego.. none of these guys are worthy to face GSP. no ways johnson gets run through any worse than fitch and alves did.

My point is he needs to fight some of these guys. You have to earn that title shot in most cases and he hasn't done that yet. All the guys you are naming you think he obviously beats, well lets see him do it first.. at 170 there is GSP and there's everyone else, so start fighting everyone else..

[dbreiden83080]

This is not taking anything away from GSP, but there are some fighters when evenly matched, they tend to fold, GSP is one of those fighters.

How is GSP one of those fighters? Because he got tapped out by Hughes when he was way too young to be getting a title shot and because he was KO'd by Serra. Everyone has bad nights in MMA, he bounced back from those losses and has dominated everyone since. GSP IMO is one of the most mentally strong fighters in MMA.. Nobody works harder than him



So far people consider him to be dominate, but let's be real, he's just flat out better than everyone in his weight class. Bigger, stronger, faster, you name it.

He's also way more skilled than anyone, with great game-plans. GSP doesn't just outmuscle people, he out-techniques them, out works them and grinds them into dust..



Johnson is the type of fighter that hits harder, has faster hands, and is tough to take down. I think this would be a great fight.

Hits harder, faster hands, tough to take down. I don't know who this guy has fought that would lead anyone to feel this way about him at all. Get in there and beat down Alves, Kos, Fitch, Swick and we'll talk about Rumble..

[dbreiden83080]

Sometimes I think I'm posting to myself ...

Nah we're here i got ya.. :toast


Close fight
http://fightmetric.com/fights/Machida-Shogun.html


Shogun won the fight with all those body and leg kicks.


What was with Mike and Joe giving out their twitter accounts during the fight? Seriously the ufc needs to dump goldy. hes terrible..

They seem to love Goldie for whatever reason. Usually he's not bad except when he tries to be funny..

[dbreiden83080]

Not talking about it but Cain looked amazing in his fight...

[Stringer_Bell]

Not talking about it but Cain looked amazing in his fight...

He performed exactly how I thought he should perform if he wants a title shot. He manhandled Rothwell, and the decision would have been his easily when the match was stopped. Unless Rothwell scored a knock-out running on steam then there was no chance for him to win.

Now back on topic :lol

Watching the fight over doesn't help anything, no way is that a unanimous decision either. Split, if anything, and you gotta credit Rua for being on the attack and still looking mildly fresh at the end. It's so crappy that Rua will have to go through another camp to fight a match he's already won, I doubt Lyoto will lose a rematch but now everyone knows he's not invincible...which is exactly what I said in my predictions. Thank you, thank thank, thank you, ya'll are far too kind. :toast

[Stringer_Bell]

Not to beat a dead horse, but here's the reaction from inside the arena...

IWyI_DHySVU


I hope Lyoto didn't take the boos too hard, cuz he's gotta be prepared for a re-match where everyone is cheering Shogun and booing him. Sad to see two good guys get tangled up in controversy, but maybe lakaluva is right and Shogun will go in for the kill next time.

[dbreiden83080]

The fear factor that kept him from finishing Lyota in the fourth is now gone. He'll by energized by knowing he got robbed and knowing how easy that fight was for him. Look for both fighters to be more aggressive in the next fight, and a more dominate fight by Rua.

Thinking about it this morning, i still don't know what to make of Machida's performance. I was shocked at his inabilty to make adjustments during the fight. Shogun landed that lead kick to his legs and body over and over and over, he never was able to stop it.. Would be an interesting rematch..

[dbreiden83080]

Not to beat a dead horse, but here's the reaction from inside the arena...

IWyI_DHySVU


I hope Lyoto didn't take the boos too hard, cuz he's gotta be prepared for a re-match where everyone is cheering Shogun and booing him. Sad to see two good guys get tangled up in controversy, but maybe lakaluva is right and Shogun will go in for the kill next time.

I hate when the crowd boos the fighter for a decision he had nothing to do with..

[dallaskd]

Those boos put to rest this whole "UFC is against Brazilian fighters crap." I think coming into the fight, most people wanted to see Lyota win the fight, but judging from the crowd, it seems people in the States just like to see a good, fairly judged fight.

dude.. shogun and machida are both brazilian..

[angelbelow]

The fear factor that kept him from finishing Lyota in the fourth is now gone. He'll by energized by knowing he got robbed and knowing how easy that fight was for him. Look for both fighters to be more aggressive in the next fight, and a more dominate fight by Rua.

I agree although im not sure if i would call it fear. I mean on same level it is fear but when youre winning the fight there is no reason to rush in and go for the kill esp. with Lyoto's fighting style. I think he was just being cautious. I hope hes more comfortable next time and gets the KO.

[dbreiden83080]

I don't know who takes the rematch, we'll see what adjustments Machida makes, it will be intersting..

[dbreiden83080]

He performed exactly how I thought he should perform if he wants a title shot

He's earned it if you ask me, he is clearly the number 1 contender after the Carwin/Brock fight..

[kromediablo]

I had Shogun winning rounds 1,2, and 5. What a joke!

[desflood]

Throughout the fight I said some pretty unladylike things because I thought Machida was losing. When he was awarded the decision over Shogun I said many, many more unladylike things, but not for the same reason. As a fan of the champion you want him to win, but you don't want him to "win" a decision without really winning the fight. It leaves a pretty bad taste in your mouth.

Struve was impressive, wasn't he? Rumble looked great also, but he's too big to fight in that class; he needs to make the jump to 185. Velasquez/Rothwell ended the way everybody thought it would, but it was tainted by the early stoppage.

[oligarchy]

I watched it again. I still scored it the same, giving Machida only Rd. 3.

[ATRAIN]

I watched it again. I still scored it the same, giving Machida only Rd. 3.

Machida was a definate round 3. round 1 and 2 were still up in the air for me. Could have gone either way and Shogun did well but I think it was a case of not being aggressive enough.

[polandprzem]

Esp. when he smashed machidas legs and ribs

[angelbelow]

Anderson Silva: "I think Lyoto won all five rounds"

[dbreiden83080]

Anderson Silva: "I think Lyoto won all five rounds"

Man love for Machida out of control..

[dallaskd]

Man love for Machida out of control..

Man love for Lesnar out of control..

[dbreiden83080]

Man love for Lesnar out of control..

You're hate for him and other fighters fucks with your brain. Or is it the drugs??

[dallaskd]

http://i40.tinypic.com/qwwnk0.jpg

[Stringer_Bell]

Cocaine's a helluva drug.

And Anderson Silva is full of crap, btw. I pray to the MMA gods that Tito can fight him some day...I don't know why, but it just feels right.