Meanwhile...

[Yonivore]

US Fires Opening Salvo In Trade Wars With China (http://www.howestreet.com/articles/index.php?article_id=10742)



"Trade wars between China and the United States is the last thing that our two countries need right now," said Xie Feng, deputy chief of mission for the Chinese Embassy in Washington.
Wait until we drop the real bomb and tell you to eat that debt...suckah!

[Marcus Bryant]

Naturally the answer to our indebtedness is war. How'd that work out for the Krauts?

[DarrinS]

We must protect the jobs of lazy, overpaid union workers at all costs.

[Nbadan]

hmmmmmmmm....Why don't the Chinese let their currency float without manipulation?

[DarrinS]

I love paying more for tires so that some lazy unionbot can have a guaranteed pension.


Meanwhile, the rest of us non-government non-union workers have to fend for ourselves.

[Nbadan]

So, do we live in a capitalistic global society or not? Where the Unions responsible for R&D not seeing market trends towards smaller fuel efficient cars?

[ChumpDumper]

I love paying more for tires so that some lazy unionbot can have a guaranteed pension.


Meanwhile, the rest of us non-government non-union workers have to fend for ourselves.What about the tire workers that aren't unionized?

[ChumpDumper]

I heartily encourage Darrin to buy tires manufactured by the Hangzhou Zhongce Rubber Co.

[clambake]

this might interfere with darrin's ability to post from work......and bitch about lazy workers.

[DarkReign]

We must protect the jobs of lazy, overpaid union workers at all costs.

Oh yeah, thats the fucking difference here.

I hope you were being extremely sarcastic.

[DarkReign]

You know, I didnt get to your second post in this thread.

You werent being sarcastic. You actually think union workers have anything to do with China and US reliance upon it.

Amazing, truly, youre amazing.

[Winehole23]

What's even more amazing, Darrin hatred of unions causes him to applaud the flight of American jobs abroad, just on the off chance that a few union workers -- fellow Americans -- will be laid off.

He's a piece of work, that's for sure.

[Winehole23]

A miracle of resentment, you might say.

[DarrinS]

You know, I didnt get to your second post in this thread.

You werent being sarcastic. You actually think union workers have anything to do with China and US reliance upon it.

Amazing, truly, youre amazing.


We are no longer economy based on manufacturing -- haven't been in a very long time. We absolutely can't compete with China when it comes to producing cheap, plastic crap. We've had the high-tech edge on them for a long time, but our advantage is slowly slipping.

It's not all about unions, but high-paid union employes don't help bring the costs down.

[clambake]

You know, I didnt get to your second post in this thread.

You werent being sarcastic. You actually think union workers have anything to do with China and US reliance upon it.

Amazing, truly, youre amazing.

it's ironic, how darrin milks his employer all day long.

when we moved here, these US automakers were honored with the highest respect.

i think it's tragic.

[DarrinS]

What's even more amazing, Darrin hatred of unions causes him to applaud the flight of American jobs abroad, just on the off chance that a few union workers -- fellow Americans -- will be laid off.

He's a piece of work, that's for sure.



Unions had their place and time and it's not the present.

[DarrinS]

it's ironic, how darrin milks his employer all day long.

when we moved here, these US automakers were honored with the highest respect.

i think it's tragic.



Self-righteous much?

[Winehole23]

Enjoy your weekend, Darrin.

[Cry Havoc]

Worker's rights had their place and time and it's not the present. We need to go back to $3 an hour with 12 hour days!

[DarrinS]

Enjoy your weekend, Darrin.

You do the same.

[doobs]

Maybe some American workers just cost too damn much.

[Marcus Bryant]

Meanwhile, the rest of us non-government non-union workers have to fend for ourselves.

...against Chinese communist slave labor and Indians whose English is passable enough. All because their cost relative to us non-government non-union workers here in these United States is 1/100th of ours.

But, it's a great time to be a consumer in this land.

[Winehole23]

Maybe some American workers just cost too damn much.This is one thing. But to call them lazy and wish them ill is another.

[doobs]

This is one thing. But to call them lazy and wish them ill is another.

Maybe he's saying they're lazy considering how much they get paid. If the American is making more money than his foreign counterpart but isn't sufficiently more productive . . . then, yes, he is "lazy" in an economic sense.

[101A]

hmmmmmmmm....Why don't the Chinese let their currency float without manipulation?

Why don't we?

[Winehole23]

Maybe he's saying they're lazy considering how much they get paid. If the American is making more money than his foreign counterpart but isn't sufficiently more productive . . . then, yes, he is "lazy" in an economic sense.I'm not so sure. Darrin doesn't really do nuance.

[DarrinS]

I'm not so sure. Darrin doesn't really do nuance.


Maybe lazy is not the right adjective. I've met many union guys (and civil servant) who don't have a healthy amount of fear of losing their jobs like non-union non-govt employees do. I don't know the best way to describe that attitude.

[Cry Havoc]

Maybe lazy is not the right adjective. I've met many union guys (and civil servant) who don't have a healthy amount of fear of losing their jobs like non-union non-govt employees do. I don't know the best way to describe that attitude.

So workers should be scared about not being able to support their families?

I can guarantee you from my years studying Psychology, workers who are afraid of losing their jobs are on average far less productive, and less healthy members of the workforce. They are more stressed out and take more sick days as a result.

The UAW is a really bad example of what a union should be, but we still need them. Their demise has coincided with the rise of big business and runaway increases in the salaries of executives.

[DarrinS]

You know, I didnt get to your second post in this thread.

You werent being sarcastic. You actually think union workers have anything to do with China and US reliance upon it.

Amazing, truly, youre amazing.


I would think you would understand better than most, given where you live and work. I used to work at an injection molding plant that was a vendor Ford parts. That plant has since moved to Mexico, but I can still recall the kind of carefree attitude that many of the employees had. They just wanted to make their bare minimum quota and get the f out of Dodge.

[doobs]

So workers should be scared about not being able to support their families?

I can guarantee you from my years studying Psychology, workers who are afraid of losing their jobs are on average far less productive, and less healthy members of the workforce. They are more stressed out and take more sick days as a result.

The UAW is a really bad example of what a union should be, but we still need them. Their demise has coincided with the rise of big business and runaway increases in the salaries of executives.

If that's true, then we wouldn't need unions. Companies would find it in their own interests to offer workers sufficiently good job security. Why would they want unproductive workers?

[DarrinS]

So workers should be scared about not being able to support their families?

As the sole bread winner in my family, it is always on the back of my mind.




I can guarantee you from my years studying Psychology, workers who are afraid of losing their jobs are on average far less productive, and less healthy members of the workforce. They are more stressed out and take more sick days as a result.


I said a "healthy" amount of fear.




The UAW is a really bad example of what a union should be, but we still need them. Their demise has coincided with the rise of big business and runaway increases in the salaries of executives.


Agree. Obviously there needs to be something or someone looking out for the rights of the employees, but it shouldn't become a death sentence for the employeer (kind of screws said employees, doesn't it?).

[coyotes_geek]

If that's true, then we wouldn't need unions. Companies would find it in their own interests to offer workers sufficiently good job security. Why would they want unproductive workers?

Job security is solely a function of a company's profitability. It's not something that companies have a decision over whether or not to provide. Company making money = job security. Company not making money = no job security. Whether you're in a union or not has nothing to do with it.

[doobs]

Job security is solely a function of a company's profitability. It's not something that companies have a decision over whether or not to provide. Company making money = job security. Company not making money = no job security. Whether you're in a union or not has nothing to do with it.

I think you're missing my point. I was trying to explain why unions are stupid.

[DarrinS]

Job security is solely a function of a company's profitability. It's not something that companies have a decision over whether or not to provide. Company making money = job security. Company not making money = no job security. Whether you're in a union or not has nothing to do with it.



Except when the union seriously eats into the profits, right?

[Wild Cobra]

I think when it comes to something like tires, there's more than just the cost of union wages and taxes. Environmental issues are probably the biggest cost. China not only undercuts us on labor, but we tax production, then spend extra for being more environmentally safe. Maybe we do need a special tariff. On that taxes the lack of pollution controls that China has. Add in a cost that figures how much cheaper their energy is because they don't use scrubbers. Same thing with the environmental costs we bear and they don't for the waste disposal difference.

I'm ready for a war that will spill green rather than red.

[coyotes_geek]

I think you're missing my point. I was trying to explain why unions are stupid.

Evidently I am. My bad.

[nuclearfm]

You know, I didnt get to your second post in this thread.

You werent being sarcastic. You actually think union workers have anything to do with China and US reliance upon it.

Amazing, truly, youre amazing.


What's even more amazing, Darrin hatred of unions causes him to applaud the flight of American jobs abroad, just on the off chance that a few union workers -- fellow Americans -- will be laid off. He's a piece of work, that's for sure.

http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/facepalm.jpg

[Cry Havoc]

I think you're missing my point. I was trying to explain why unions are stupid.

And you failed at it.

[doobs]

And you failed at it.

So tell me your point about workers' feelings and the nanny unions. Please.

And also, why would companies want unproductive workers?

Inquiring minds want to know.

[Wild Cobra]

So tell me your point about workers' feelings and the nanny unions. Please.

And also, why would companies want unproductive workers?

Inquiring minds want to know.
Myself, I hate unions. They lump me in with all the substandard workers and hold my wages down to the same as the lazy libs I work with.

[clambake]

Myself, I hate unions. They lump me in with all the substandard workers and hold my wages down to the same as the lazy libs I work with.

bullshit.

[Wild Cobra]

bullshit.
I have generally made more money in non-union jobs than in union jobs during my 35 years of work experience. Go ahead. Talk out your ass.

[coyotes_geek]

Except when the union seriously eats into the profits, right?

Doesn't matter who is eating up the profits. No profits, no jobs.

[doobs]

Doesn't matter who is eating up the profits. No profits, no jobs.

What about all the overhead that gets eaten up at private companies by profits?

[coyotes_geek]

What about all the overhead that gets eaten up at private companies by profits?

What about it?

[doobs]

What about it?

Obama joke, sorry. Did you watch the speech?

[nuclearfm]

I have generally made more money in non-union jobs than in union jobs during my 35 years of work experience. Go ahead. Talk out your ass.

So have I, but they usually end up over really quick or they try to short change me on a renewed contract. I see no need for unions for most places nowadays, except for the lowest earners. UAW workers are CLEARLY not the lowest earners.

[nuclearfm]

What about all the overhead that gets eaten up at private companies by profits?

Yup, profit doesn't necessarily create jobs. You just need productivity more than anything, that sometimes can create profit. A non-profit can often create more jobs while having zero profit.

[doobs]

Yup, profit doesn't necessarily create jobs. You just need productivity more than anything, that sometimes can create profit. A non-profit can often create more jobs while having zero profit.

WOW, thanks for agreeing with that nonsense!

[nuclearfm]

WOW, thanks for agreeing with that nonsense!

So you say profit is the only way to create jobs? Is that what your saying? There are several types of businesses that run on a people = income standard. They only way they get more, is if they hire more people, but not necessarily achieve profit.

[doobs]

So you say profit is the only way to create jobs? Is that what your saying? There are several types of businesses that run on a people = income standard. They only way they get more, is if they hire more people, but not necessarily achieve profit.

First, tell me about overhead that gets eaten up at private companies by profits.

[nuclearfm]

First, tell me about overhead that gets eaten up at private companies by profits.

I know you were joking, but it's a serious note. The overhead is satisfying stockholders, dividends and other costs (often elective) outside of creating jobs that a company may chose to do.

[doobs]

Profit is what is left over after overhead costs are paid. Pretty simple.

[ChumpDumper]

Maybe some American workers just cost too damn much.
Maybe you cost too much.

[doobs]

Maybe you cost too much.

You, too.

Now that we got that out of the way, care to say anything worthwhile?

[ChumpDumper]

You, too.

Now that we got that out of the way, care to say anything worthwhile?Are you posting from work?

[clambake]

:lol

[DarrinS]

Are you posting from work?


You did all those posts on your "own" time?

Someone needs to get laid.

[clambake]

someone needs to watch their employees.

[ChumpDumper]

You did all those posts on your "own" time?Are you posting from work?


Someone needs to get laid.Sounds like you do since you're always so pissy when someone brings this up -- but you're at work, right?

[DarrinS]

Are you posting from work?

Sounds like you do since you're always so pissy when someone brings this up -- but you're at work, right?


Is this really all you've got?

[ChumpDumper]

Is this really all you've got?You didn't answer the question.

Are you posting from work?

[DarrinS]

You didn't answer the question.

Are you posting from work?


I'm on my lunch break, but yes.


Can you step away from my nuts now?

[ChumpDumper]

Why is it so difficult to admit you are posting from work?

You're reluctance to answer and your belligerence at the very broaching of the subject seem to belie a guilty conscience. I don't blame you. I stopped posting from work a long time ago.

[BadMoodBob]

What's even more amazing, Darrin hatred of unions causes him to applaud the flight of American jobs abroad, just on the off chance that a few union workers -- fellow Americans -- will be laid off.

He's a piece of work, that's for sure.

Union workers should understand the long term effects of themselves contributing to a machine that nets said long term effects.

A forklift operator making 60k getting a reality check? I'll throw my support behind Ching Chong Chang. Dude just wants some noodles.


Did you just throw a "you either support the current system or you don't support America"? :lol WWWD.

[BadMoodBob]

I post from work, I post from school, I post from your mother's bedroom.

Well, two out of three :lol


























I don't go to school.

[clambake]

you should go to comedy school.

[ChumpDumper]

you should go to comedy school.The Chinese are funnier than he is too.

[DarrinS]

Why is it so difficult to admit you are posting from work?

You're reluctance to answer and your belligerence at the very broaching of the subject seem to belie a guilty conscience. I don't blame you. I stopped posting from work a long time ago.


What part of "yes" did you not understand?

[ChumpDumper]

So is your lunch break over?

[clambake]

:lmao