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SnakeBoy
09-12-2009, 12:11 PM
The Destruction of the US Empire
by Bill Bonner
London, England


Edward Gibbon described the happiest age of mankind as the period of the "five good emperors" between AD98 and AD180, when Marcus Aurelius died.

What was America's Golden Age?

It is much too soon to write the history of America's decline and fall. Still, that doesn't stop us from guessing.

We would name the period between the fall of the Berlin Wall and the fall of Lehman Bros - a period of only 19 years - as the peak of US power and wealth. Of course, Americans were dreaming during those years. The dreams were the usual imperial sort - that the US Empire was such a benefit to the rest of the world that the foreigners would support it indefinitely. Rome didn't take any chances; it forced its conquered nations to render tribute...slaves...gold...and wheat. The American empire depended on trade...and the dollar. As long as the United States had a commercial advantage, the empire was profitable. But as the 20th century aged, so did the US economy. Its competitors - notably Germany and Japan - had a big advantage. They had been bombed out in the '40s. They could build anew. America's trade advantage slipped away...and then its trade balance went negative in the mid- '80s. It has been getting more negative almost every year.

The trade losses shrank after the fall of the House of Lehman. Americans cut back. But today we get news that the trade deficit has just grown more than in any month in the last 10 years. Have Americans suddenly become big spenders again? Probably not. But we'll have to wait for another explanation; we don't have one.

No account of America's glory years - roughly the period between the reign of George Bush I and that of his son, George Bush II - would be complete without mention of the events that happened on this day eight years ago. A small group of terrorists pulled off an amazing coup - bringing down two of America's iconic buildings, right in the heart of New York City...and on primetime TV! Historians might be tempted to use this event as a milestone, marking the end of the period of maximum happiness in the United States of America. We caution against it. It was only later that it became apparent that the US reaction to the terrorist incident was suicidal. The nation desperately needed to bring its ambitions back in line with its means. It needed to save and invest in new factories and new infrastructure. Instead, it wasted trillions fighting phantoms and nobodies. But as far as anyone knew, US influence, prestige and power remained near its zenith throughout the wars on terror and Iraq.

The fall of Lehman changed things. Then it was obvious that not only was America vulnerable, she was an enemy to herself. She had diddle- daddled during the glory years, dawdling with the lion cubs that would grow up and maul her. Now, in the period we are living through, she attempts to go back to sleep and rerun her balmy dreams. That is what "recovery" is all about - a return to the land of nod and nonsense...in which people think they can actually become wealthier by squandering money they don't have on things they don't need.

Fortunately, as near as we can tell, most private citizens are now awake. A report at the beginning of this week showed that they repaid debt at a rate four times faster than economists projected. Savings rates are rising. Spending is falling. People are doing what they should do - they're cutting back.

But the feds continue their efforts to sabotage the correction and destroy the empire. They have already blown-up the budget - with $9 trillion in deficits expected over the next 10 years. Now, they're working on the dollar.

Yesterday, the dollar fell to $1.45 per euro. Gold remained just below the $1,000 an ounce mark. And the Dow rose 80 points.

Stock market investors seem to be looking forward to another big bull market. But with the economy deteriorating, they are probably just dreaming, too. Median household income fell 3.6% over the last 12 months. Of course, that's just what you'd expect in a correction. But it's not what the feds were hoping for. So, they're pulling out all the stops to try to turn it around. Most important, they're pulling out the stop that keeps the dollar from rolling down the hill.

The empire sinks into the mud. Yes, this is the downhill period...the slide into corruption...the period in which Juvenal complained that Romans were only interested in 'bread and circuses.'

When you are on the board of a decent corporation, for example, if you have a direct financial interest in a matter under consideration you're expected to 'declare an interest' and absent yourself from the vote. But in a mature democracy, the most self-interested citizens are those most likely to vote. Currently, about 20 million people work for government. About 45 million receive Social Security benefits. About 34 million depend on food stamps.

(People who count on the government to feed them, warned Jefferson, "will soon want bread." That doesn't seem to worry many people. But at least the state of Maryland has an Orwellian sense of humor about it. People who depend on government for food are given "Independence" cards.)

That's 99 million people who have a direct interest in expanding government outlays...with some overlap, of course. And it doesn't mean that every person receiving a Social Security check is going to back the feds. But it doesn't count all the millions more who get subsidies, bailouts, welfare payments (often masquerading as tax credits), government contracts, and so forth, either.

Well, how many people does it take to win a national election? Obama won with 63 million votes.

The dollar's weakness hasn't been missed by it biggest foreign holder - China.

Reported earlier this week in the Telegraph:

"'We hope there will be a change in monetary policy as soon as they have positive growth again,' said Cheng Siwei...talking about America.

"'If they keep printing money to buy bonds it will lead to inflation, and after a year or two the dollar will fall hard. Most of our foreign reserves are in US bonds and this is very difficult to change, so we will diversify incremental reserves into euros, yen, and other currencies,' he said.

"China's reserves are more than - $2 trillion, the world's largest.

"Mr. Siwei continued: 'Gold is definitely an alternative, but when we buy, the price goes up. We have to do it carefully so as not to stimulate the markets,' he added."

Then, two days ago, in came a report that China is going to issue bonds of its own - in yuan.

This news is a shot across the bow of America's imperial currency. It signals that China is moving into position to eventually challenge the greenback. Investors will have another alternative to the dollar...another bond issued by another government and backed by another economy...maybe one that is on the way up, rather than on the way down.

Meanwhile, Americans grow poorer. Bloomberg reports:

"'The decline in incomes we're seeing certainly has implications for consumer spending, particularly post-housing bubble when families can't tap into home equity through loans,' said Heather Boushey, a senior economist at the Center for American Progress, a research organization headed by John Podesta, a leader of the Obama administration transition team.

"The poverty rate is likely to keep rising through 2012, even after the recession ends, adding to pressure on the Obama administration to enact a second economic stimulus package, said Isabel Sawhill, a senior fellow at the Brookings Institution in Washington, a policy research group.

"'We will likely have not only a jobless recovery but also a poverty- ridden recovery,' Sawhill said. 'The stimulus money is going to go away long before the poverty rate peaks.'"

Nbadan
09-12-2009, 12:29 PM
Welcome to globalization....we get cheap shit, but it rips apart our manufacturing sector, the heart of trade and with surplus/deficits, the backbone to a nation's currency...

.....going protectionist for a while might help and investing billions of govt. dollars in reasearch and development that will help the U.S. improve existing products and create new ones that people either need or want would be a good start...

SnakeBoy
09-12-2009, 12:33 PM
Didn't we already try going protectionist during a severe economic crisis? It didn't work out too well IIRC.

Nbadan
09-12-2009, 12:42 PM
We need to protect our manufacturing industry secrets so we don't spend billions of dollars in R&D only to have it exploited in Indonesia or China..

nuclearfm
09-12-2009, 02:29 PM
Welcome to globalization....we get cheap shit, but it rips apart our manufacturing sector, the heart of trade and with surplus/deficits, the backbone to a nation's currency...

.....going protectionist for a while might help and investing billions of govt. dollars in reasearch and development that will help the U.S. improve existing products and create new ones that people either need or want would be a good start...

You said it all. True free-trade involves the same labor requirements by all parties, all we have now is a special interest deal.

You can't buy anything that isn't foreign made anymore. All of the countries wealth is being shipped elsewhere. Continuing to print more dollars is going to solve nothing.

boutons_deux
09-12-2009, 02:43 PM
Globalization has been a disaster, but when corps and capitalists are pushing hard, just know they will win, and everybody else will lose, like now with an unregulated global financial system.

exstatic
09-12-2009, 03:00 PM
The U.S. "jumped the shark" upon landing on the moon. We haven't done anything since then except fight some minor wars, completely fission politically to the point of no longer being a country, and inflate (and pop!) several successive economic bubbles. Both our educational system and our infrastructure are cracking under the strain of the "taxes are all bad" school of thought.

I'm not sure where the next world nexus will be, but wherever that is, it's on the way from us to there as we speak. I don't think it will be China, because they control information to the point of keeping their populace uninformed. Their intellectual footprint is that of a much smaller country. Maybe India.

SouthernFried
09-12-2009, 03:09 PM
It's been over for 30 yrs. People are just now waking up to it trying to figure out what happened, or what is happening. The time for protectionism and tarriffs was in the 60's...when we actually had something to protect. Far, far too late now.

We will always have one strength that will help a little...the agricultural sector. There was a time I woulda have said we had another strength, a strength that no matter what happened in the world, we could deal with it and come out ahead...the belief, strength, and understanding that no other country had...the knowledge, experience and support of free markets and capitalism that was the envy of the world.

Alas, we still have agriculture.

SouthernFried
09-12-2009, 03:18 PM
The U.S. "jumped the shark" upon landing on the moon. We haven't done anything since then
.

I watched the landing on the moon, I was like 13 at the time. I distinctly remember thinking that when I was 40, we would have colonies on the Moon and we'd be landing on Mars.

Over the next decades I saw that dream die. And I also remember why. The outcry that "there's really nothing up there, we need to help people on earth before we do anything else."

The next 40 yrs saw social spending skyrocket faster than any rocket NASA could build. I saw this country turn inward. Bickering over what I consider petty and menial BS. Who get's what tax dollars for whom. The war on poverty that never ends, but costs trillions. The poor complaining as much as they ever did, and politicians giving them more and more...while not doing anything. We have as many poor and needy as we ever have...and more is being spent on them than ever before...it never ends.

And the country turns more and more inward. There are no JFK's offering dreams bigger than the citizens individual concerns. We have become a nation lost...without direction...bickering over crumbs.

And I keep looking up...knowing that all of our answers, are up there.

A kids dreams are hard to kill.

exstatic
09-12-2009, 03:20 PM
It's been over for 30 yrs. People are just now waking up to it trying to figure out what happened, or what is happening. The time for protectionism and tarriffs was in the 60's...when we actually had something to protect. Far, far too late now.

We will always have one strength that will help a little...the agricultural sector. There was a time I woulda have said we had another strength, a strength that no matter what happened in the world, we could deal with it and come out ahead...the belief, strength, and understanding that no other country had...the knowledge, experience and support of free markets and capitalism that was the envy of the world.

Alas, we still have agriculture.
Unless climate change causes another "black blizzard" period on the Great Plains...

SouthernFried
09-12-2009, 03:22 PM
Unless climate change causes another "black blizzard" period on the Great Plains...

sigh...

Bartleby
09-12-2009, 04:11 PM
Alas, we still have Monsanto.


Fify

DMX7
09-12-2009, 04:15 PM
We need to protect our manufacturing industry secrets so we don't spend billions of dollars in R&D only to have it exploited in Indonesia or China..

Yeah, it's just silly how the reverse engineer all out shit and then sell it back to us. Too bad we own China tons of war debt and shit so not like we can do a whole lot.

angrydude
09-12-2009, 09:20 PM
lol.

You all sound like Michigan complaining that all the businesses left.

American policies obviously had nothing to do with what's happened, right?

Extra Stout
09-12-2009, 10:06 PM
We will always have one strength that will help a little...the agricultural sector...

Alas, we still have agriculture.
That's encouraging; we can look forward to being like Ukraine.

Extra Stout
09-12-2009, 10:08 PM
As the years go by, you'll see that I'm right about America ending with us slaughtering one another.

exstatic
09-12-2009, 10:42 PM
lol.

You all sound like Michigan complaining that all the businesses left.

American policies obviously had nothing to do with what's happened, right?

Did I say, or even imply otherwise? Those policies, however, were driven by the greed of officeholders putting their votes up for sale. We've been sold out, and they've destroyed education in this country to the extent that most people are ignorant of what happened, hell, what's happening now, right under our noses.

Nbadan
09-13-2009, 01:46 AM
As the years go by, you'll see that I'm right about America ending with us slaughtering one another.

Wow....how's that not conspiratorial?

Alex Jones
09-13-2009, 02:05 AM
The U.S. "jumped the shark" upon landing on the moon.



HLa-kUtPaY0

boutons_deux
09-13-2009, 05:01 AM
"we still have agriculture."

empty aquifers, rivers, droughts, global warming will take that away.

exstatic
09-13-2009, 10:02 AM
Wow....how's that not conspiratorial?

Actually, it's not. Where's the conspiracy in that? All he's saying is that eventually everything will break down, and we'll have chaos. It's a theory, sure, but not a conspiracy theory. There are no black helicopters or secret three letter agencies involved.

LnGrrrR
09-14-2009, 09:51 AM
As the years go by, you'll see that I'm right about America ending with us slaughtering one another.

America already went through one war like that and survived... what's so different about the next one? More effective weapons? :lol

Winehole23
09-14-2009, 10:00 AM
America already went through one war like that and survived... what's so different about the next one? More effective weapons? :lolThat, and actually hating our fellow countrymen.

LnGrrrR
09-14-2009, 10:08 AM
That, and actually hating our fellow countrymen.

Eh, I don't think they were fighting with pillows and feathers in the 1800s... :lol

Winehole23
09-14-2009, 10:15 AM
Sepsis and dysentery killed more people than guns in the Civil War. Next time, the guns will do more killing.

rjv
09-14-2009, 10:19 AM
all this decline of america and the rise of china hyperbole is cliche'. the per capita gdp of asia still pales in comparison to that of the united states (due to the population of asia). even with their current growth rate it would take the average asian 77 years to match that of the average american. asia is also facing resources and energy constraints that are far more pressing than anywhere in the US. and politically speaking, the region is far from stability.

LnGrrrR
09-14-2009, 10:35 AM
Sepsis and dysentery killed more people than guns in the Civil War. Next time, the guns will do more killing.

It depends; are medical supply lines cut off? :lol

Honestly, given your post earlier about the "Daddy State", do you not think that the President would not hesitate to send military in to absolutely crush any sort of secessionist movement?

The only real way I see America going down is if a small number of terrorist cells were to take hold here. Americans may 'hate' each other, but 9/11 proved that as much as we 'hate' each other, we 'hate' others more. But if those others were to become us? Then bad things would certainly happen.

I think that's the nightmare scenario that Cheney dreams about, which is why he's so adamant about destroying rights in the name of security.