Venezuela to Develop Nuclear Energy With Russian Help

[Ya Vez]

lefties just love this guy.. we can't have nuclear energy but Hugo can, if that is what he is actually wanting.. or is he channeling Mahmoud Ahmadinejad...

Venezuela to Develop Nuclear Energy With Russian Help

By Daniel Cancel

Sept. 13 (Bloomberg) -- Venezuela President Hugo Chavez said the South American country plans to develop a nuclear energy program with Russia and doesn’t want to build an atomic bomb.

Chavez said that the country’s oil and gas reserves won’t last forever and the government will seek alternative energy sources. Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin agreed to help Venezuela’s nuclear energy program during a meeting in Moscow last week, Chavez said.

“We’re not going to make an atomic bomb, so don’t bother us like with Iran,” he said on state television. “We’re going to develop nuclear energy with peaceful purposes.”

Chavez is a close ally of Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, who’s under international sanctions for continuing with the country’s nuclear energy program under suspicions by the U.S. and its allies that Iran is working toward making atomic weapons.

Robert Morgenthau, New York’s District Attorney, said last week that Venezuela may be helping Iran skirt sanctions imposed by the United Nations and the U.S. by transfering funds through the Venezuelan financial system.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601086&sid=aElQ3UEU9eYM

[Wild Cobra]

As much as I dislike Chavez, I do believe they want nuclear power rather than the bomb.

Is there anything to suggest otherwise? Do they want nuclear power, or breeder reactors? Are they going to enrich to 30%, or to 95+%?

Get the facts before jumping to conclusions please.

[nuclearfm]

As much as I dislike Chavez, I do believe they want nuclear power rather than the bomb.

Is there anything to suggest otherwise? Do they want nuclear power, or breeder reactors? Are they going to enrich to 30%, or to 95+%?

Get the facts before jumping to conclusions please.

Breeder reactors can still be used for nuclear power(It's a real smart thing to do fuel wise) , so can high enrichment (stupid for economics, but goof for higher energy density- nuclear subs).

I think they're going for power all the way, there is no incentive for Venezuela to get nuclear weapons. The more oil they save, the more valuable it is to them.

[Jacob1983]

Jack Bauer needs to make a trip to Venezuela.

[z0sa]

Are the russians still communist?

[DarkReign]

I think they're going for power all the way, there is no incentive for Venezuela to get nuclear weapons. The more oil they save, the more valuable it is to them.

Honest question...

Why wouldnt Venezuela want nuclear weapons?

For that matter, why wouldnt any 3rd world country want them?

Especially considering Chavez's inferiority complex and his obvious provocations to the US (referring to us as "the empire").

Nuclear capability puts you immediately on equal footing with the powers of the world. In reality, if I were a disadvantaged nowhere country who was being raped of my natural resources by private companies, the first order of business would be the development of a nuclear weapons program.

It only makes sense...the UN and their worthless sanctions could suck it.

This is just a hypothetical, but I wonder why anyone would think a small, weak country wouldnt want to be a nuclear power.

[DarkReign]

Oh, and this is just another Russian trip into the US' "sphere of influence".

Much the same as we went into Afghanistan and half-ass aligned with Georgia, theyre provoking the US.

[MaNuMaNiAc]

As much as I dislike Chavez, I do believe they want nuclear power rather than the bomb.

Is there anything to suggest otherwise? Do they want nuclear power, or breeder reactors? Are they going to enrich to 30%, or to 95+%?

Get the facts before jumping to conclusions please.

well, how about the fact that he's been arming himself to the teeth with Russia's help as of late? How about the fact that his regime has been anything but peaceful up til now?

Jesus, what the fuck does it take for people to realize that this fucker isn't a statesman, he's a fucking dictator. Not one in the making, mind you! He IS one already. Wether the pussies that we have for presidents want to admit it or not.

[balli]

Nuclear capability puts you immediately on equal footing with the powers of the world. In reality, if I were a disadvantaged nowhere country who was being raped of my natural resources by private companies, the first order of business would be the development of a nuclear weapons program.

It only makes sense...the UN and their worthless sanctions could suck it.

This is just a hypothetical, but I wonder why anyone would think a small, weak country wouldnt want to be a nuclear power.
The UN might not be much of a deterrent, but that's not to say that any would-be nuclear power wouldn't deal with some damaging political consequences on a global level. Obviously some small, weak countries have made the decision to become nuclear powers, as is their wont, but to suggest that every other small, weak country should be, wants to be or would benefit from seeking the same ends, is incorrect.

I guess to a degree it depends on how disadvantaged a country is, but meh, it's arguable at best that nuclear arms have had much of a positive effect for any of the isolationists who've sought them.

[z0sa]

Obviously some small, weak countries have made the decision to become nuclear powers

which countries are those?

[sam1617]

The UN might not be much of a deterrent, but that's not to say that any would-be nuclear power wouldn't deal with some damaging political consequences on a global level. Obviously some small, weak countries have made the decision to become nuclear powers, as is their wont, but to suggest that every other small, weak country should be, wants to be or would benefit from seeking the same ends, is incorrect.

I guess to a degree it depends on how disadvantaged a country is, but meh, it's arguable at best that nuclear arms have had much of a positive effect for any of the isolationists who've sought them.

You have to be able to negotiate from a position of strength. Nuclear weapons allows you that power. I'm not saying that nuclear weapons are the situation for every 3rd world nation, but ones with a relatively stable, unified gov't, it makes perfect sense to me, especially when you are friends with a 1st worlder who is also a relatively big player in the UN.

Also, I would think that certain three letter agencies would be less willing to destabilize a gov't that has control of nuclear weapons, as that would add to the chances of those weapons ending up in different hands.

[DarkReign]

You have to be able to negotiate from a position of strength. Nuclear weapons allows you that power. I'm not saying that nuclear weapons are the situation for every 3rd world nation, but ones with a relatively stable, unified gov't, it makes perfect sense to me, especially when you are friends with a 1st worlder who is also a relatively big player in the UN.

Also, I would think that certain three letter agencies would be less willing to destabilize a gov't that has control of nuclear weapons, as that would add to the chances of those weapons ending up in different hands.

Exactly. It immediately puts you on equal footing in ANY and ALL negotiations.

Im not saying it should be this way or that I am actively encouraging 3rd world countries to do so (as if one could do such a thing from this forum), but I also have the (very ordinary) capability to remove myself from the equation as an American and see the advantages/disadvantages associated with a country like Iran/Venezula aquiring nuclear weapons.

Madmen or not, natural resources or none, there is much to be gained from being able to tell the developed to fuck off, in no uncertain terms. That, like it or not, dictatorship/socialist or theocracy, my nation is sovereign, my power to rule is absolute and no outside influence will tell me how to govern, period.

[sam1617]

Exactly. It immediately puts you on equal footing in ANY and ALL negotiations.

Im not saying it should be this way or that I am actively encouraging 3rd world countries to do so (as if one could do such a thing from this forum), but I also have the (very ordinary) capability to remove myself from the equation as an American and see the advantages/disadvantages associated with a country like Iran/Venezula aquiring nuclear weapons.

Madmen or not, natural resources or none, there is much to be gained from being able to tell the developed to fuck off, in no uncertain terms. That, like it or not, dictatorship/socialist or theocracy, my nation is sovereign, my power to rule is absolute and no outside influence will tell me how to govern, period.

Of course, you also run the risk of getting the shit stomped out of you before you actually get your weapons built.

[LnGrrrR]

Of course, you also run the risk of getting the shit stomped out of you before you actually get your weapons built.

Yes, but then those who do the stomping get the wrath of the rest of the world that DOESN'T have those weapons. After all, the only thing anointing us with the keys to the nuclear kingdom is that 1) we have nukes ourselves and 2) we're the only ones who've used them before.

It's certainly a strange position for the US to be in, whereby we are the ones who determine who's responsible enough to have nukes.

[sam1617]

Yes, but then those who do the stomping get the wrath of the rest of the world that DOESN'T have those weapons. After all, the only thing anointing us with the keys to the nuclear kingdom is that 1) we have nukes ourselves and 2) we're the only ones who've used them before.

It's certainly a strange position for the US to be in, whereby we are the ones who determine who's responsible enough to have nukes.

Price that comes with being better than everyone else :downspin:

I suspect that Colombia and a number of other countries in SA would be less than happy with Venezuela having nukes too. Perhaps they will form a coalition, backed by the US, and stop them from getting nuclear power.

[LnGrrrR]

Price that comes with being better than everyone else :downspin:

I suspect that Colombia and a number of other countries in SA would be less than happy with Venezuela having nukes too. Perhaps they will form a black ops coalition, funded by the US, and stop them from getting nuclear power.

FIFY :D :lol

[MiamiHeat]

At this point, I don't care anymore.

The US should just shrug and work towards jockeying for position to benefit the US economy in this situation.

F it. We cannot stop people from going nuclear. Meanwhile, countries like China and Russia profit from it.

[DarkReign]

At this point, I don't care anymore.

The US should just shrug and work towards jockeying for position to benefit the US economy in this situation.

F it. We cannot stop people from going nuclear. Meanwhile, countries like China and Russia profit from it.

Profit only due to US resistance (for good reason, honestly).

[Wild Cobra]

Jesus, what the fuck does it take for people to realize that this fucker isn't a statesman, he's a fucking dictator. Not one in the making, mind you! He IS one already. Wether the pussies that we have for presidents want to admit it or not.
The question is what will the reactor technology be? I'm not going to jump the gun on this.

It doesn't take a nuclear reactor to make a bomb. It wakes a method of fuel enrichment like centrifuges. It takes a breeder reactor (real inefficient for electricity) to make plutonium from uranium.