A nation under...

[SpurNation]

This cognintation could be viewed by so many different thoughts and ideologies.

What if...
We allowed every person in the world to enter this nation to work and have the pursuit of happiness according to his or her's own ability.

What if...
The government did NOT provide special programs for the so called less fortunate because in that true society of self preservation we didn't have the ambiguity of government assistance?

What if...
We didn't have taxed appropreations provided to those who didn't contribute in tax revenue?

What if...
The work force combined to boycott big business that didn't address it's employee's fairly instead of mandated union controll?

What if...
We held accountable those who squander and run our financial institutions albeit capitalist or politicians into turmoil (including the Federal Reserve)?

What if...
Politicians were forced to hold the same social security practices that the rest of us Americans have to abide?

What if...
We as a nation did not intervein in international affairs and only held true to the citizens within our respected borders the protection of our beliefs?

What if...
We abolished government inclusion of rights and allowed it's citizens to practice fairness, private donations and volunteerism as a national and sacred achievement.


These were all the values of life and liberty our fore fathers instituted in our constitution.

Why are so many now afraid to allow these components to hold true in today's society?

Because we have strayed so far away from them that we don't even operate within the same fundementals this government was set up to begin with and have become too used to socialistic hand out programs that everybody wants their share of government assistance.

This too was forewarned by our founding fathers.

[ChumpDumper]

This too was forewarned by our founding fathers.Really?

Do you have any quotes to that effect?

[clambake]

i love the founding father memories.

i forgot......what did they say about slaves and the crushing of all races not white?

[SpurNation]

i love the founding father memories.

i forgot......what did they say about slaves and the crushing of all races not white?

Those same attributes applied to all races Clam. I love it that many conjoin slavery into the philosophies of our founding fathers thinking it would not apply to them a free people.

Wrong...it applies to all free in our government to pursuit of happiness under those founding ideas.

But not one of those ideas promoted government assistance to those willing to make due on their own.

[clambake]

Those same attributes applied to all races Clam. I love it that many conjoin slavery into the philosophies of our founding fathers thinking it would not apply to them a free people.
i thought they had slaves....hmmmm


Wrong...it applies to all free in our government to pursuit of happiness under those founding ideas.
not at the time it didn't.


But not one of those ideas promoted government assistance to those willing to make due on their own.

why supply assistance when you can claim ownership?

like i said.........it's amusing when people conjure up their ideal founding fathers.

[SpurNation]

i thought they had slaves....hmmmm


not at the time it didn't.



why supply assistance when you can claim ownership?

like i said.........it's amusing when people conjure up their ideal founding fathers.

To all your debating posts...the principles of our founding government apply to all as free people in this nation. Why should it be any different? And why should there be "special" interests to any if "special" interests didn't apply to any at that time?

Are you saying slaves are still in place in our society as defined at the time? Please...I'm trying to understand your logic.

[clambake]

people (such as in this thread) are applying their idea about the thoughts of the founding fathers.

thats projection.

[z0sa]

people (such as in this thread) are applying their idea about the thoughts of the founding fathers.

thats projection.

you forget the founding fathers wrote a bunch of shit down

[clambake]

you forget the founding fathers wrote a bunch of shit down

i've heard that.

[SpurNation]

people (such as in this thread) are applying their idea about the thoughts of the founding fathers.

thats projection.

How is the great principles of this constitution considered "projection" if it is applied to all?

Slavery has been unconstitutional since...well...December of 1865.

Are you talking about black people actually being able to promote themselves outside that of which was unconstitutionally amended?

What about those legal immigrants who are granted tax amnesty in order to start a business in this country? Is that fair to any naturally born American citizen?

[Winehole23]

Are you talking about black people actually being able to promote themselves outside that of which was unconstitutionally amended?This is a bit vague. What are you referring to?

[clambake]

How is the great principles of this constitution considered "projection" if it is applied to all?
it wasn't applied to all...was it.


Slavery has been unconstitutional since...well...December of 1865.
..and which founding fathers were around to ratify this?


Are you talking about black people actually being able to promote themselves outside that of which was unconstitutionally amended?
I'm from N. Ireland. can you explain this sentence?


What about those legal immigrants who are granted tax amnesty in order to start a business in this country? Is that fair to any naturally born American citizen?
...or gigantic fucking corporation or conglomerate....

you meant to add that, right?

[SpurNation]

This is a bit vague. What are you referring to?

I'm not sure what is "vague" about the fact that after 1865 black people had more opportunity they ever had prior.

And of course giving a new perspective to a race of people to have hope to build upon was more than what they had previous to 1865.

Were they to be able to just jump into freedom?...of course not. And many of the northern abolitionists only used the black race to provide cheap labor for their factories and services once abolition was won.

But labor back in those days was necessary in order to promote the "Industrial Revolution" the north had started.

I don't see how this is controversial to the original constitution our government founded it's principles regarding freedom to choose and little government involvement?

Blacks moved north to work because the south didn't have ...at the time at the end of the civil war...the factories providing the work needed to sustain life to a free individual. Especially to those used to working in a manufactory environment.

But even at that time...government had little to do with guaranteeing life of just freed slaves.

[SpurNation]

it wasn't applied to all...was it.
No. Not until after 1865. But after that...it applied so what's the point? Those same principles still applied to an American citizen. And many Black citizens made a fortune after 1865 due to their new found freedom using the principles of the constitution.



..and which founding fathers were around to ratify this?
Not any to my recolection. But many were secretly opposed to slavery and some even verbally opposed.



...or gigantic fucking corporation or conglomerate....

you meant to add that, right?

You're right...that too. Bottom line...many tax dollars are lost due to tax abatements. In my opinion...tax abatements should be as illegal as aliens working in this country and still receiving government assistance through tax dollars.

[hope4dopes]

What if we allowed eveyone who wanted to enter the country?

Well there is about 1 billion people on this planet who make a bout 1 dollar a day if we let them in........you do the math.

[hope4dopes]

i love the founding father memories.

i forgot......what did they say about slaves and the crushing of all races not white?

You are mind boggeling stupid, this adolecent vapid nonsense went out with bell bottoms. the left in America has intellectual atrophied because it has controled the institutions for so long that the old noodle went limp.

[clambake]

You are mind boggeling stupid, this adolecent vapid nonsense went out with bell bottoms. the left in America has intellectual atrophied because it has controled the institutions for so long that the old noodle went limp.

gee micca, you were supposed to enter this thread and project statements from the founding fathers.

how did that escape your attention?

[Winehole23]

I'm not sure what is "vague" about the fact that after 1865 black people had more opportunity they ever had prior.You said "that which was unconstitutionally amended." Obviously, you mean the Constitution.

Are you talking about the 13th, 14th and 15th Amendments?

[Winehole23]

But even at that time...government had little to do with guaranteeing life of just freed slaves.You should read up on the Reconstruction riots.

[NoOptionB]

LOL @ some irishman telling us about the founding fathers. They'll let anyone in this damn country :depressed

[clambake]

LOL @ some irishman telling us about the founding fathers. They'll let anyone in this damn country :depressed

your wrong. i'm the one that refuses to speak for them. doing that would be silly.

[SpurNation]

You said "that which was unconstitutionally amended." Obviously, you mean the Constitution.

Are you talking about the 13th, 14th and 15th Amendments?

Thanks for notifying my mistake. It was meant to say "constitutionally amended"

And I was talking about the 13th and 15th amendment once slavery was abolished and then allowed to vote after 1870.

My mind knows what it's thinking but my typing sometimes isn't what I'm saying. Medical condition. Neurologic disorder in the brain. I don't wish to discuss it. I've had it ever since a football injury in the 1970's.
I can proof read something that I wrote and in my mind I know what I am thinking but somehow can't see the mistake once placed on paper (screen). I had to hire and use proof readers in college just to finish.

I'm usually fine when speaking to someone but every now and then...people that know me know what I mean even if it comes out wrong.

Thanks for baring with me though.