"Tea Party" Fabricates The Photo of The Event

[Supergirl]

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2009/sep/14/tea-party-photo-shows-large-crowd-different-event/

Apparently the ACTUAL event was so lame they had to pull out a photo from a decade earlier to try and pass for their event.

LOL

[Stringer_Bell]

So what? They don't even need photo evidence or video because Michelle Malkin said 2m people showed up. That's amazing, real grass roots work in action.

Good job guys, marching for freedom and amendments and stuff!

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

this is like when jane fonda and john kerry headlined together on their vietnam intensity in ten cities tour

[z0sa]

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2009/sep/14/tea-party-photo-shows-large-crowd-different-event/

Apparently the ACTUAL event was so lame they had to pull out a photo from a decade earlier to try and pass for their event.

LOL

i'm pretty sure you're the definition of an 'obamabot.'

[z0sa]

So what? They don't even need photo evidence or video because Michelle Malkin said 2m people showed up. That's amazing, real grass roots work in action.

Good job guys, marching for freedom and amendments and stuff!

Good job guy, being a partisan hack all the time!

[NoOptionB]

Supergirl, did you go?

[Gerryatrics]

Who is "Tea Party"?

[George Gervin's Afro]

We won't get any type of retraction from the resident conservatives because that would mean they had a shred of intellectual honesty and integrity. We know most don't so let the parsing begin!

[exstatic]

My guess is that when the campaigns need to officially report actual contribution numbers, Congressman You Lie will NOT have raised a matching $1M either.

[George Gervin's Afro]

my guess is that when the campaigns need to officially report actual contribution numbers, congressman you lie will not have raised a matching $1m either.

liar!

[DarrinS]

There were only like 5 people there.

-MSM

[Winehole23]

We won't get any type of retraction from the resident conservatives because that would mean they had a shred of intellectual honesty and integrity. We know most don't so let the parsing begin!Hold onto your pants, GGA:

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3688442&postcount=33

[101A]

Liars suck.

Particularly pisses me off, because, as I've mentioned a couple of times, my Mom went and marched, and was all excited that she had been a part of "something."

She might have been.

But now, because of assholes; the "event" is not the story; the exaggeration of said event is.

Also looks as if significant "playing" of people is, indeed, afoot. One can believe that they are part of a "grassroots" effort, and feel they have made an independent choice; when, in fact, they are getting worked by powerful, knowledgeable, people.

Probably happening to both sides. Fuck religion being the opiate of the masses; it's politics.

[jman3000]

400,000-500,000 is still a shit load of people.

Why they had to fluff up such a huge number to begin with is beyond me.

It's like saying your 10 inch wang is really 12 inches. (gross, but I felt it was pertinent)

[SouthernFried]

We won't get any type of retraction from the resident conservatives because that would mean they had a shred of intellectual honesty and integrity. We know most don't so let the parsing begin!

I would like to apologize for my statement 3 days ago...

"I seriously doubt there were over even a million. Maybe 100,000 or so. But, either way...there were plenty.

I heard Joe Gibbs telling reporters at one of his press conferences, he didn't know who these people were or why they came.

Methinks these people are right...DC is seriously out of touch with this country."

It looks like there were quite a few more...I screwed up.

I should probably start a thread to apologize to the board to see if I can save the "shreds of intellectual honesty and integrity" that I may have lost with this poor estimate.

[NoOptionB]

Left-wing media is saying barely anyone was there, Far right-wing is saying the crowd toppled The Persian Army at the battle of Thermopylae.

Shocking news.


Having actually been to a tea party and seen the crowds with my own two eyes, I can tell you there are plenty of normal non-redneck non-bubba non-uneducated people that comprise a major portion of the overall crowd population.

When you hear information on these tea parties or whatever the official label is, FIRST think of the source of this information and their related agenda. Go out and experience these for yourself. Anything else is just words, bullshit.

[Yonivore]

I would like to apologize for my statement 3 days ago...

"I seriously doubt there were over even a million. Maybe 100,000 or so. But, either way...there were plenty.

I heard Joe Gibbs telling reporters at one of his press conferences, he didn't know who these people were or why they came.

Methinks these people are right...DC is seriously out of touch with this country."

It looks like there were quite a few more...I screwed up.

I should probably start a thread to apologize to the board to see if I can save the "shreds of intellectual honesty and integrity" that I may have lost with this poor estimate.
On Friday, he claimed not to be aware of the event.

How does the White House not inform itself of an event that draws that many people to its front door?

[Bender]

i'm pretty sure you're the definition of an 'obamabot.'
I used to think she was "mrs boutons"...

[Stringer_Bell]

Good job guy, being a partisan hack all the time!

Good job guy, being...what, who are you? :whine

[George Gervin's Afro]

Left-wing media is saying barely anyone was there, Far right-wing is saying the crowd toppled The Persian Army at the battle of Thermopylae.

Shocking news.


Having actually been to a tea party and seen the crowds with my own two eyes, I can tell you there are plenty of normal non-redneck non-bubba non-uneducated people that comprise a major portion of the overall crowd population.

When you hear information on these tea parties or whatever the official label is, FIRST think of the source of this information and their related agenda. Go out and experience these for yourself. Anything else is just words, bullshit.

These people didn't vote for democrats...

[Nbadan]

From the videos and pics I've seen, it only seems like a few 'tens of thousands'...100,000 doubtful, but maybe...not 400K...

[Winehole23]

From the videos and pics I've seen, it only seems like a few 'tens of thousands'...100,000 doubtful, but maybe...not 400K...Eyeball test?

[Nbadan]

It's a gift, I break them down into 100s then 1000's then 10,000....like when I multiply..

[Crookshanks]

These people didn't vote for democrats...
You keep saying this - do you really think our elected officials shouldn't pay attention to anyone who didn't vote for them? Aren't these Congressmen (and women) supposed to represent their states or their districts?

If they keep up with that attitude, they won't have to worry about paying attention to anyone but the person handling their unemployment claim!

[Yonivore]

These people didn't vote for democrats...
I honestly believe some of them did. Obama's approval rating has dropped since taking office. I can't help but believe some of those who've changed their opinion were on the Mall on Saturday.

[NoOptionB]

These people didn't vote for democrats...

"These people" didn't vote Republican either. How do I know?

I was one of them. I therefore represent the entire hundreds of thousands.

[Winehole23]

Grandiose, meet Pompous; Pompous, Grandiose.

[exstatic]

You keep saying this - do you really think our elected officials shouldn't pay attention to anyone who didn't vote for them? Aren't these Congressmen (and women) supposed to represent their states or their districts?

If they keep up with that attitude, they won't have to worry about paying attention to anyone but the person handling their unemployment claim!

Bush successfully ignored the mother of a dead soldier for 4 years, so there is precedent here.

[Yonivore]

Bush successfully ignored the mother of a dead soldier for 4 years, so there is precedent here.
Didn't he meet with her twice?

[Wild Cobra]

First of all, who first used the 12 year old photo? Was it a whacho pundit, a "tea-partyer", or a liberal to discredit the effort? Someone please answer that.

Now I do feel stupid myself for not spotting the inconsistencies. The "promise keeper" photo has a definite evening shadow and the 912 event has a shadow hours earlier, closer to noon. I usually spot such things.

Still, the valid photos show the event to be at least 500,000 people.

[ChumpDumper]

First of all, who first used the 12 year old photo? Was it a whacho pundit, a "tea-partyer", or a liberal to discredit the effort? Someone please answer that.So you want someone to look through the entire internets for you?


Now I do feel stupid myself for not spotting the inconsistencies. The "promise keeper" photo has a definite evening shadow and the 912 event has a shadow hours earlier, closer to noon. I usually spot such things.That's a shame.


Still, the valid photos show the event to be at least 500,000 people.Based upon your vast knowledge of crowd estimation and your year of experience estimating crowds, right? If you require us to track down the first posting of that photo, we require you to state your crowd estimation experience.

[symple19]

I'm pretty sure the official estimate was put at 60-70 thousand by the DC fire department http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/34653_Tea_Party_Crowd_Estimate-_60-70000_People --- still a lot of people.

[antimvp]

Liars suck.

Particularly pisses me off, because, as I've mentioned a couple of times, my Mom went and marched, and was all excited that she had been a part of "something."

She might have been.

But now, because of assholes; the "event" is not the story; the exaggeration of said event is.

Also looks as if significant "playing" of people is, indeed, afoot. One can believe that they are part of a "grassroots" effort, and feel they have made an independent choice; when, in fact, they are getting worked by powerful, knowledgeable, people.

Probably happening to both sides. Fuck religion being the opiate of the masses; it's politics.


I am glad you can see the light.

[Wild Cobra]

I'm pretty sure the official estimate was put at 60-70 thousand by the DC fire department http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/34653_Tea_Party_Crowd_Estimate-_60-70000_People --- still a lot of people.
If you read the source article, that's how many stayed and marched after the event.

What if only one in ten who attended the event marched afterwards? I have never seen a long event where more than a small percentage stay and march afterwards. Have you?

approximately 60,000 to 70,000 people flooded Pennsylvania Ave, according to the Washington DC Fire Department.
The 912 event was not on Pennsylvania Ave. Just the march after was.

[LnGrrrR]

If you read the source article, that's how many stayed and marched after the event.

What if only one in ten who attended the event marched afterwards? I have never seen a long event where more than a small percentage stay and march afterwards. Have you?

The 912 event was not on Pennsylvania Ave. Just the march after was.

Cmon WC, why limit it to one in ten? Why not only one in a million?

Then you could estimate the march at 70,000,000 people! That's HUGE!

[Wild Cobra]

Cmon WC, why limit it to one in ten? Why not only one in a million?

Then you could estimate the march at 70,000,000 people! That's HUGE!
Ha. Ha...

I haven't a clue how many marched, but it wasn't anywhere near the full attendance. Just keep that in mind.

Would you march for a couple miles or more after being spending hours standing up, and probably thirsty? How many people you think do?

1 in 10 is an arbitrary number. I think it's safe to say no more than 1 in 3 marched, and that placed the crowd around 200,000. 1 in five, about 300,000.

By the looks of the valid photo, I'll stick with my original assessment of 600,000.

[jman3000]

A good portion of them were in their motorized scooters. That counts for something.

[clambake]

WC is right. no way many of them marched.

they look like the people in wall-e.

[Wild Cobra]

WC is right. no way many of them marched.

they look like the people in wall-e.
The first video of the following link says the crowd goes all the way back, one mile, to the Washington Monument:

Washington DC 9/12/09 Tea Party Protests (http://www.surgeusa.org/actions/091209dc.htm)

[clambake]

geez your stupid.

[nuclearfm]

Protesters in this country make us an easy target to be ridiculed. San Antonio is loaded up with the anti-nuclear morons. Yes, they are morons.

If you watch international TV shows, like the Chasers they ridicule people from San Antonio frequently. The city has been featured on the "Are Americans stupid?" segment

I can't wait for the clips from this tea party to be broadcast. I'm betting someone poses as someone crazy, someone who says barack obama was sent from a negro planet to impregnate our white women and gains a lot of cheers.

[DarrinS]

geez your stupid.


From left to right, clambake and ChumpDumper at work.

http://bradlisti.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/hate-job.jpg

[clambake]

From left to right, clambake and ChumpDumper at work.

http://bradlisti.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/hate-job.jpg

speaking of work....tell us about your promotion!

[DarrinS]

Protesters in this country make us an easy target to be ridiculed. San Antonio is loaded up with the anti-nuclear morons.

Really? Where are they?




If you watch international TV shows, like the Chasers they ridicule people from San Antonio frequently. The city has been featured on the "Are Americans stupid?" segment



Ever see Jay Leno do his "Jaywalking" segments? LA isn't exactly overpopulated with intellectual giants.

[nuclearfm]

Really? Where are they?





Ever see Jay Leno do his "Jaywalking" segments? LA isn't exactly overpopulated with intellectual giants.

I agree. It's hilarious and sad.

Most of them in SA are part of EnergiaMia. You can find them protesting at CPS headquarters and meetings. I've talked to a few, most of them have degrees in art, believe in witches, etc.

[jman3000]

Ever see Jay Leno do his "Jaywalking" segments? LA isn't exactly overpopulated with intellectual giants.

The majority of those are tourist types.

People from LA are very much a shallow, stupid type of people... but that segment is probably about half tourists.

I'd think the khaki cargo shorts would cue you.

[jman3000]

I think the argument nuclear power is unsafe is way less credible than the argument that the amount of water nuclera power requires. especially for a drought prone region as S Texas.

With that being said I'm pro-nuclear power.

[Nbadan]

Let's give our money to the Russians for uranium instead of the middle east, that's smart!

[DarrinS]

Here's a real photo


I didn't embed it because it's a wide photo.


http://iowntheworld.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/capitol-view-lo-res.jpg

[hope4dopes]

So is this thread from Super girl or the Obama girl. The left seems to have trouble seeing past the end of their noses.They are taking their lead from the Whitehouse fuck that thinking for yourself shit.

reporter: Sir what is your opinion of the crowds surrounding the whithouse.
Obama: Crowds what crowds I don't see any crowds.

Sir: what are your thoughts on the tea parties.
Obama: tea party? what's a tea party?

[ChumpDumper]

I have no trouble seeing that the right tried to grossly exaggerate the numbers.

Nice crowd.

[clambake]

I have no trouble seeing that the right tried to grossly exaggerate the numbers.

Nice crowd.

they should have estimated by weight.

[Wild Cobra]

Here's a real photo


I didn't embed it because it's a wide photo.


http://iowntheworld.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/capitol-view-lo-res.jpg
Any idea how far into the event that was? Anyway, that's still at least 200,000 people!

[Nbadan]

so you went from 600, 000 t0 200,000 - whats wrong? Not counting the illegals?

[Wild Cobra]

so you went from 600, 000 t0 200,000 - whats wrong? Not counting the illegals?
What's your IQ? 85?


Any idea how far into the event that was?

Doesn't that suggest that I considered the photo might have been taken before the full crowd arrived, or after some left?

Anyway, that's still at least 200,000 people in the photo, and I'm being conservative. If I figured the standard one person using up 2.5 sq. ft. I would use a number of at least 300,000.

My assessment of 600,000 people included the comments that the crowd goes all the way back to the Washington Monument. They do by that photo. Just that far back, they are in the street, not the park.

[George Gervin's Afro]

I still don't care and neither does the rest of the country.

[Wild Cobra]

I still don't care and neither does the rest of the country.
You don't care because you find conservative articles making corrections to the fabrications themselves, but when such a thing happens to liberals, they remain quiet.

It wouldn't surprise me one bit is a liberal pawned off the older photos as the 912 event to discredit them. It wouldn't be the first time such tactics were used.

Again, 2nd time I ask this. Anyone know the source of the fakes?

[Shastafarian]

It wouldn't surprise me one bit is a liberal pawned off the older photos as the 912 event to discredit them. It wouldn't be the first time such tactics were used.

Again, 2nd time I ask this. Anyone know the source of the fakes?

Because someone would be that conniving. Let's go through the thought process of such a liberal.

"I can't believe there were (x amount of people) at that Tea-Party rally. This is going to make myself and my party look bad. Not to mention my lord and savior Barack Obama. How can I deflect attention and discredit the rally? Hmmmm....thinking.....thinking....I've got it! I'll distribute a photo from 12 years ago of a LARGER crowd. That way it will get press and make the TeaBaggers look large in number and strong in cause. Then, when they least expect it, we'll have our liberal news outlets point out the picture is from 12 years ago. That'll work, I know it. It won't matter how long it takes someone to find out the picture is from 12 years ago either! I'm an effing genius."

[Wild Cobra]

I like this photo from the same directory of the valid 912 pic:

http://iowntheworld.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/closeencounters.jpg (http://iowntheworld.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/)

[Shastafarian]

I still get a kick out of people not knowing what socialism means.

[iggypop123]

some people dont know the nazi's started out as anti-Marxists