President Carter says Wilson's outburst was of racism

[InRareForm]

:wakeup

[Yonivore]

:wakeup
It's only taken them a week to build that narrative.

[Winehole23]

http://www.wcax.com/Global/story.asp?S=11138057

[Yonivore]

Those that impute race into two word, "You lie," should look at their own racial biases. And, they only do it because the American public isn't as incensed over the break in decorum as they'd hoped. Had to find something to bitch about.

This has been a clever campaign by the Democrats to color this outburst as a racial matter. I hope Joe Wilson hits the House floor, wears the rebuke as a badge of honor, and calls the president a liar again.

Saying people oppose this president because he's black is paranoid...

I predict we'll all be racists for fifteen minutes.

[Winehole23]

Saying people oppose this president because he's black is paranoid...It doesn't seem so far fetched to me.

To be sure, there are plenty of legit reasons not to like Obama, and I expouse many of them. But I wouldn't be so quick to rule it out.

The death of racism has been greatly exaggerated.

[Winehole23]

That said, I'll also say this: everybody is a damn racist.

[Winehole23]

Joe Wilson, Jimmy Carter, Barack Obama, me, Yoni, everybody.

[Yonivore]

It doesn't seem so far fetched to me.

To be sure, there are plenty of legit reasons not to like Obama, and I expouse many of them. But I wouldn't be so quick to rule it out.

The death of racism has been greatly exaggerated.
I don't rule out there are racists that don't like having a black president. But, they are marginalized and certainly, vastly inferior in numbers to the number of people that voted for Obama simply because he was black.

Like you said, there are plenty of legitimate reasons for Joe Wilson to oppose Obama's health care reform plan without imputing racism without any evidence.

And, it doesn't help your cause with people who find this assertion dubious that Joe Wilson was pretty much vindicated by the administration's and Congress's changes to the bill and plan, beginning the day after Wilson called him a liar.

[InRareForm]

It may not have been direct racism, but the racists sure loved it. And that is where the wrongdoing is regarding race. You just don't do that.

[David Bowie]

Carter is one of the most racist guys in politics himself.

[Yonivore]

It may not have been direct racism, but the racists sure loved it. And that is where the wrongdoing is regarding race. You just don't do that.
Who cares what the racists love? I don't. Under that presumption, a black person could never be criticized for anything because, "the racists sure" will love it.

I think the people imputing race into the opposition of Obama's agenda only see him as a black man. They refuse to recognize there may be legitimate concerns over the policies themselves.

I think they are the racists because they cannot get past the president's race long enough to look at the issues legitimate critics are trying to discuss.

[iggypop123]

It may not have been direct racism, but the racists sure loved it. And that is where the wrongdoing is regarding race. You just don't do that.

[Yonivore]

http://www.wcax.com/Global/story.asp?S=11138057

From your article:


South Carolina's former Democratic Party chairman said that he doesn't believe Wilson was motivated by racism, but said the outburst encouraged racist views.

"I think Joe's conduct was asinine, but I think it would be asinineno matter what the color of the president," said Dick Harpootlian, who has known Wilson for decades. "I don't think Joe's outburst was caused by President Obama being African-American. I think it was caused by no filter being between his brain and his mouth."
And, as to the second part of the first paragraph. Like terrorists don't need an excuse to hate America, racists don't need an excuse to hate because of a person's race. This is no reason to stifle legitimate debate.

I think Jimmy Carter owes Joe Wilson and apology.

[Banzai]

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[Winehole23]

This is no reason to stifle legitimate debate.How does Jimmy Carter's personal opinion stifle anything?


I think Jimmy Carter owes Joe Wilson and apology.For what, calling em like he sees em, just like Joe Wilson?

Please.

Sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander, Yoni.

[Yonivore]

How does Jimmy Carter's personal opinion stifle anything?
By ascribing Wilson's actions -- born of a disagreement over policy -- to racism. That's how.


For what, calling em like he sees em, just like Joe Wilson?

Please.

Sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander, Yoni.
For what? For calling him a racist without any cause. At least Obama lied to earn the outburst from Joe Wilson.

[Yonivore]

One thing that's being under-reported is that Joe Wilson sat on the committee that defeated most of the enforcement and exclusion language that would have ensured illegal aliens were not covered under ObamaCare (HR3200).

He knew this and, therefore, knew that Obama was lying.

[Winehole23]

By ascribing Wilson's actions -- born of a disagreement over policy -- to racism. That's how.This stifles speech how?


For what? For calling him a racist without any cause. At least Obama lied to earn the outburst from Joe Wilson.You don't know what's in Joe Wilson's heart any better than Jimmy Carter. How can you rule it out?

Saying that Jimmy Carter called him racist without any cause isn't fact, but speculation.

[Yonivore]

This stifles speech how?
Well, what is the media now concentrating on? Joe Wilson's reason for calling Obama a liar or Jimmy Carter's "speculation" over why Joe Wilson called him one.


You don't know what's in Joe Wilson's heart any better than Jimmy Carter. How can you rule it out?
I'm betting that Democrat Party chair that's know him for 20 years knows better than Jimmy Carter.


Saying that Jimmy Carter called him racist without any cause isn't fact, but speculation.
What cause did he have; other than his own obsession with Obama's race causing him to think all opponents are so because of racism.

[Winehole23]

Cheap appeals to authority and strawmen. I guess that's the best you can do.

You go to the mattresses to defend Joe Wilson's right to speak his mind, but demand apologies from anyone who speaks ill of him.

You're aware of how this looks, don't you?

[Winehole23]

Well, what is the media now concentrating on? Joe Wilson's reason for calling Obama a liar or Jimmy Carter's "speculation" over why Joe Wilson called him one.This stifles speech how? Please be specific.

[Yonivore]

Cheap appeals to authority and strawmen. I guess that's the best you can do.

You go to the mattresses to defend Joe Wilson's right to speak his mind, but demand apologies from anyone who speaks ill of him.

You're aware of how this looks, don't you?
It's that goose/gander thing more than it's my desire to have everyone apologize to Joe Wilson. Frankly I don't care if anyone apologizes to anyone. It's all pretty petty...but the Democrats have spent the week turning petty into another racial issue.

I'm not even approaching "going to the mattress."

[Winehole23]

I'm not even approaching "going to the mattress."http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/159900.html

[Yonivore]

This stifles speech how? Please be specific.
By failing to inform the public of critical information over which they should form their opinions.

I think the NYTimes deliberately left out the Pimp-Ho information...

I think your source deliberately left out the Obama remarks...

And, I think I said it stifles legitimate debate. Conflating that to speech, in this context, is misunderstanding my point. People can't debate, as well, without certain germane information.

[Yonivore]

http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/159900.html
I know what it means.

[Winehole23]

By failing to inform the public of critical information over which they should form their opinions.So then, Jimmy Carter, when expressing his personal opinion about a public controversy, owes it to the public to also state all other information germane to the debate, or he's stifling speech?

How absurd.

[Yonivore]

So then, Jimmy Carter, when expressing his personal opinion about a public controversy, owes it to the public to also state all other information germane to the debate, or he's stifling speech?

How absurd.
No, the media reporting Jimmy Carter's opinion does.

[Winehole23]

Bullshit. People are responsible for informing themselves and thinking for themselves. So much the worse for them if they rely on the media to spoon feed them everything needful.

Media coverage will always be partial. Your canon of comprehensiveness is bullcrap. Nobody ever lives up to it.

[Yonivore]

Bullshit. People are responsible for informing themselves and thinking for themselves. So much the worse for them if they rely on the media to spoon feed them everything needful.
If the media omits information, where am I to get it?


Media coverage will always be partial. Your canon of comprehensiveness is bullcrap. Nobody ever lives up to it.
That's a sad statement on your expectations of the media.

[SouthernFried]

This is great. I hope it keeps up. People are sick of race baiters like Gates and Carter.

These guys are hanging themselves...give 'em all the rope they want I say.

[Winehole23]

That's a sad statement on your expectations of the media.Your own are unrealistic, and I think you know it.

[Yonivore]

Your own are unrealistic, and I think you know it.
My source told both sides. They lived up to my expectations.

Most of my sources tell both sides even if they then set about to discredit the side with which they disagree. And, if I think they aren't, I seek out the other side of the argument.

[ChumpDumper]

By failing to inform the public of critical information over which they should form their opinions.Like your blogs' never divulging the number of czars in the Bush administration for comparison after telling you to be upset by the number of czars in the Obama administration.

[antimvp]

Those that impute race into two word, "You lie," should look at their own racial biases. And, they only do it because the American public isn't as incensed over the break in decorum as they'd hoped. Had to find something to bitch about.

This has been a clever campaign by the Democrats to color this outburst as a racial matter. I hope Joe Wilson hits the House floor, wears the rebuke as a badge of honor, and calls the president a liar again.

Saying people oppose this president because he's black is paranoid...

I predict we'll all be racists for fifteen minutes.



he is a fucking racist and that allowed him to be disrespectful.....end of story.

[Def Rowe]

Carter has a point. It's the first time this happened in a Congressional meeting. Why did the Congressman from the south feel compelled to call the Pres a liar in such a public way? It could certainly be 'based on racism'. It's not really an outrageous or a far fetched observation.

[Winehole23]

Most of my sources tell both sides even if they then set about to discredit the side with which they disagree. And, if I think they aren't, I seek out the other side of the argument.Bullshit, Yoni. You're trying to universalize from the particular. No one familiar with you will be fooled.

Your SOP is to seek out sources that conform to your prejudgment, then to belittle them as flawed if they do not include your view. Your relentless reposting of of right-wing blogs gives you away. If all you cared about was journalistic competence, you'd see a little more variety in your posts.

[Crookshanks]

Carter has a point. It's the first time this happened in a Congressional meeting. Why did the Congressman from the south feel compelled to call the Pres a liar in such a public way? It could certainly be 'based on racism'. It's not really an outrageous or a far fetched observation.

Please tell me this is sarcasm - you don't really believe this do you? How old are you?

[doobs]

Jimmy Carter is a disgrace.

The downside of having a black president is that honest dissent becomes racism in the eyes of his bullying sycophants.

Yes, that's right, saying "you lie" is honest dissent. Inappropriate? Yes. But racist? Come on.

[Winehole23]

I agree, doobs. But Jimmy Carter is just as entitled to voice his opinion as Joe Wilson.

[DarrinS]

Carter's opinion carries a LOT of weight.

[Winehole23]

My point exactly. Carter's private opinion doesn't amount to much. Who takes their marching orders from ex-presidents?

[coyotes_geek]

Who takes their marching orders from ex-presidents?

Evidently a bunch of school kids in Arlington were about to..............

[DarrinS]

Have any other irrelevant political figures weighed in?

[doobs]

I agree, doobs. But Jimmy Carter is just as entitled to voice his opinion as Joe Wilson.

Yes, but so what? He's still a disgrace.

[clambake]

Evidently a bunch of school kids in Arlington were about to..............

i believe the kids in arlington will never be allowed to decide.

[Def Rowe]

I agree, doobs. But Jimmy Carter is just as entitled to voice his opinion as Joe Wilson.

This sums up the whole argument.

[DarrinS]

In other Jimmy Carter news ....



Jimmy Carter's book "Palestine: Peace not Apartheid" is endorsed by Osama bin Laden.

http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/09/14/bin-ladens-reading-list-for-americans/


I think he's going to start a book club, like Oprah.


Oh shit! That must be racist because Oprah is black!

[clambake]

In other Jimmy Carter news ....



Jimmy Carter's book "Palestine: Peace not Apartheid" is endorsed by Osama bin Laden.

http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/09/14/bin-ladens-reading-list-for-americans/


I think he's going to start a book club, like Oprah.


Oh shit! That must be racist because Oprah is black!

so....darrins...are you saying you don't like america's creation?

[DarrinS]

I'm all for the destruction of our economy, as long as it's done by a white person.


:rolleyes

[clambake]

I'm all for the destruction of our economy, as long as it's done by a white person.


:rolleyes

grab your boss and bring him in here. let's ask his/her opinion on all your positions.

[doobs]

This sums up the whole argument.

And that's it? Carter says something retarded, and the "whole argument" is about whether he was entitled to say it?

I don't think anyone here thinks he isn't "entitled" to say what he said.

[Def Rowe]

And that's it? Carter says something retarded, and the "whole argument" is about whether he was entitled to say it?

I don't think anyone here thinks he isn't "entitled" to say what he said.

Pretty much. It's a free country. He's allowed to express his opinion. You're allowed to be pissed off at his opinion.

[doobs]

Pretty much. It's a free country. He's allowed to express his opinion. You're allowed to be pissed off at his opinion.

OK, but that gets us nowhere in this conversation. You're contributing nothing.

We're discussing what Jimmy Carter said, not whether he can say it. Get on board.

[elbamba]

It doesn't seem so far fetched to me.

To be sure, there are plenty of legit reasons not to like Obama, and I expouse many of them. But I wouldn't be so quick to rule it out.

The death of racism has been greatly exaggerated.

Racism will never be dead. If that is the goal then we are reaching for an unobtainable goal.

However, to say that everytime someone disagrees with the president they do so because they are racist is stupid and easily dismissed.

The GA representative that stated that Wilson's comments are essentailly a call to the KKK to begin riding the country side in their white sheets is an example of that stupidity. It discredits their position and sets back diversity and tolerance in my opinion.

[CosmicCowboy]

Rosalynn should keep Jimmy locked in a closet. The guy is an idiot. Billy clearly got the brains in the family.

[Winehole23]

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[Winehole23]

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[Winehole23]

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[Winehole23]

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[Winehole23]

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[Winehole23]

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Spare ribs in Billy Beer

[Winehole23]

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_QMuDihPPyPA/RoLwt5wrooI/AAAAAAAAB0I/fOsJ4mbx-iU/s320/carter.jpg

[Yonivore]

So, let me see if I understand this...

Jimmy Carter declares that a good percentage of whites oppose Obama because they're racist.

Maureen Dowd imputes the word "boy" in Joe Wilson's "You Lie!" and declares him a racist.

If I post a video of Jimmy Carter calling Barack Obama a "black boy," wouldn't that make him a racist? Which, by the way, I believe him to be. A racist and an anti-semite.

He is the worst decision this country has ever made...

Check it out!

Black Boy (http://jammiewearingfool.blogspot.com/2009/09/flashback-carter-called-obama-black-boy.html)

By the way, Joe Gibbs says the President disagrees with Carter's characterization. And, there is a poll (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/healthcare/september_2009/12_say_most_opponents_of_obama_health_care_plan_ar e_racist) out, today, that tends to support the notion that not many Americans do.

I think the president needs to do more than send his spokesperson out to speak to this issue. He needs to tell Democrats to knock off the racial contexts to this debate. He realizes it isn't about race and that Democrats keep trying to paint every opponent as a racist is only eroding support for his agenda.

His health care reform plan is in worse shape today than it was before the Joint Session speech. And, I think that's because of Congress's censuring of Joe Wilson and because of the effort to make everything anti-Obama a racial issue.

Another thing Obama can't seem to achieve...that post-racial America his ascendancy promised -- or, so we were told.

You guys just keep shooting yourselves in the foot, it's entertaining.

[Def Rowe]

If I post a video of Jimmy Carter calling Barack Obama a "black boy," wouldn't that make him a racist? Which, by the way, I believe him to be. A racist and an anti-semite.

He is the worst decision this country has ever made...

Check it out!

Black Boy (http://jammiewearingfool.blogspot.com/2009/09/flashback-carter-called-obama-black-boy.html)



Well that clip was completely innocuous.

[Yonivore]

Well that clip was completely innocuous.
Innocuous? He called him a "black boy." I've never used that term in reference to an adult black man...or, any man, for that matter.

I'm sorry, Jimmy Carter is a fucking racist.

[SpurNation]

I'm supposed to take the word of one of this country's worse presidents in building economic growth and defending it's citizens against aggression as gospel?

[Yonivore]

I certainly think Democrats are regretting that Jimmy Carter has insinuated himself into this whole affair. I know Barack Obama does...

Quick Pop Quiz:

Which former president once said, "I see nothing wrong with ethnic purity being maintained."

If you answered, former President Jimmy Carter; give yourself 10 points.

Now, which former president once said, "I have no trouble pitching for [George] Wallace [segregationist and, at the time, unrepentant racist] votes and the black votes at the same time."

Jimmy Carter? Yes, you get another 10 points.

Whose White House Communication Director told the president's most sympathetic biographer -- in a faux South Georgia accent, "We coulda won by a lot more if we'd bin able to stop Jimmah saying so many nahs [nice] things abaht nigguhs."

Check! Jimmy Carter... Wow, you're on a roll, give yourself 20 points.

Who employed a senior campaign aid by the name of Bill Pope that famously told the Washington Post they had run a "###### campaign."

If you took a stab and guessed Jimmy Carter, give yourself 30 points.

Folks, this man is a nut. He sees UFO's, gets attacked by rabbits, runs around the globe fucking up foreign policy wherever he can, and is doing his dead level best to get Israel wiped from the face of the planet.

Someone in his family needs to get him declared mentally incompetent and have him committed.

I love this video clip from C-SPAN...

UBaDfue_Rys

Comedy Gold.

Frankly, I think the current race-bating by Democrats is a good thing. With Barack Obama in office, maybe we can finally reveal who the true racists have been through the years...I'm sure they'll keep coming out of the closet and projecting their own racist feelings onto anything that will advance the narrative that Obama's opponents are racists.

Then only thing they need now is for Robert "Sheets" Byrd to find the strength to come out and call someone a racist for opposing Barack Obama.

[Winehole23]

Innocuous? He called him a "black boy." I've never used that term in reference to an adult black man...or, any man, for that matter.You missed the frame didn't you?

Carter was referring to Obama's childhood. We all started out as little boys and little girls.

Did you miss the context of the remark? Or did you ignore it deliberately, in a pathetic attempt to to score cheap points?

(BTW, the pose of anti-racist avenger doesn't really suit you, Yoni. It's just not credible. Not to anyone who's hung out here for very long. Who do you think you're fooling?)

[Yonivore]

You missed the frame didn't you?

Carter was referring to Obama's childhood. We all started out as little boys and little girls.

Did you miss the context of the remark? Or did you ignore it deliberately, in a pathetic attempt to to score cheap points?

(BTW, the pose of anti-racist avenger doesn't really suit you, Yoni. It's just not credible. Not to anyone who's hung out here for very long. Who do you think you're fooling?)
Nice spin, Doctor.

"...this black boy, who grew up..." Sorry, "...this black man, who grew up..." is more appropriate in that context.

[SpurNation]

Today...Playing the race card means you have no other arguement to defend your position.

It's like free parking in a monopoly game. You don't have to justify anything. Take it and run.

[Yonivore]

Today...Playing the race card means you have no other arguement to defend your position.

It's like free parking in a monopoly game. You don't have to justify anything. Take it and run.
Thankfully, on 12% (Kooky, far-Left, nut roots, Democrats) of Americans believe the racist canard.

I think they're over-represented in this forum.

[clambake]

Thankfully, on 12% (Kooky, far-Left, nut roots, Democrats) of Americans believe the racist canard.

I think they're over-represented in this forum.

you are certainly arguing about race. :toast

[Winehole23]

Lately, he does little else.

[clambake]

Lately, he does little else.

it's because of that dreadful day in southern california.

[Yonivore]

you are certainly arguing about race. :toast
I didn't start the argument.

[clambake]

I didn't start the argument.

someone started a racist argument with you?

[Yonivore]

someone started a racist argument with you?
Yep. By saying my opposition to Barack Obama's is racially motivated.

[clambake]

Yep. By saying my opposition to Barack Obama's is racially motivated.

what's the big deal? it's not like you can prove it. you've been saying things for years that would suggest otherwise.

[NoOptionB]

The funny thing is, the people race-baiting and throwing the race-card do not care about race relations. It's all political gaming. Race card is just a tool to them.

The few people left in this country who actually ARE concerned with race relations should think about this. When you constantly call people racist who are not racist, they will eventually get tired and become...racist. People who are hated, develop hate back. That's human nature.

Life is so funny.

[Yonivore]

what's the big deal? it's not like you can prove it.
Prove what?


you've been saying things for years that would suggest otherwise.
Really, like what?

[SpurNation]

"The Sky Is Falling" - Chicken Little

[clambake]

The funny thing is, the people race-baiting and throwing the race-card do not care about race relations. It's all political gaming. Race card is just a tool to them.

The few people left in this country who actually ARE concerned with race relations should think about this. When you constantly call people racist who are not racist, they will eventually get tired and become...racist. People who are hated, develop hate back. That's human nature.

Life is so funny.

you mean like when you call someone a terrorist and they're not a terrorist and you throw them in a prison and you torture them and they decide they're now a terrorist?

[clambake]

someone started a racist argument with you?


Yep. By saying my opposition to Barack Obama's is racially motivated.


what's the big deal? it's not like you can prove it. you've been saying things for years that would suggest otherwise.

there you go yoni.

[Yonivore]

there you go yoni.
Where I go?

[clambake]

Where I go?

it's ok yoni. you've had a long day of foaming at the mouth.

[Yonivore]

it's ok yoni. you've had a long day of foaming at the mouth.
Actually, I spent the day working and not thinking about politics much at all.

[NoOptionB]

you mean like when you call someone a terrorist and they're not a terrorist and you throw them in a prison and you torture them and they decide they're now a terrorist?

Yes.


Another thing...I know you guys love commenting, rightfully so, on the Right's self-fulfilling prophecies. I foresee a future where "The South" will ALWAYS be characterized as the Racist Red-Headed Step Child of the rest of civilized America. It's just so convenient.

"The SOUTH"!? The people who have historically been more for decentralized government are STIIIILLLLLL opposing US!? They must be racist. They are racist. They will always be racist. That is why they are the only ones left opposing us on a grand scale. Obviously.

[clambake]

Yes.


Another thing...I know you guys love commenting, rightfully so, on the Right's self-fulfilling prophecies. I foresee a future where "The South" will ALWAYS be characterized as the Racist Red-Headed Step Child of the rest of civilized America. It's just so convenient.

"The SOUTH"!? The people who have historically been more for decentralized government are STIIIILLLLLL opposing US!? They must be racist. They are racist. They will always be racist. That is why they are the only ones left opposing us on a grand scale. Obviously.

you guys take more federal handouts than anybody. why don't you secede?