About that claim that a majority of Doctors...

[Yonivore]

...support ObamaCare:

45% Of Doctors Would Consider Quitting If Congress Passes Health Care Overhaul (http://www.investors.com/NewsAndAnalysis/Article.aspx?id=506199)

And, two-thirds oppose ObamaCare.


Two of every three practicing physicians oppose the medical overhaul plan under consideration in Washington, and hundreds of thousands would think about shutting down their practices or retiring early if it were adopted, a new IBD/TIPP Poll has found.

The poll contradicts the claims of not only the White House, but also doctors' own lobby — the powerful American Medical Association — both of which suggest the medical profession is behind the proposed overhaul.
Ding dong, ObamaCare is dead...

V9HS8n8Y4qo

[LnGrrrR]

BREAKING NEWS: 45% of Cars May Be Crushed By Dinosaur Rampages

A study just released yesterday showed that, if scientists were to enact the plot of Jurassic Park in real life, nearly 45% of cars might be destroyed by wandering dinosaurs. Asked for comment, scientist Gene Splicer said, "It's a serious issue, one that the American public isn't looking at closely enough. Look, if we were ever to pull something like this off, let's face it, these things weigh TONS. There's going to be lots of crushed cars trampled underfoot, and John Q Public is going to want some answers to big questions. Questions like, 'Why would you even bring dinosaurs back to life?' And the President is going to need to have some answers."

The poll, conducted by Rasmussen, asked participants, "If a 20 foot tall dinosaur were to step on your car while running across the street, do you think your car would be able to withstand the pressure unscathed?" 45% of respondents said they thought their car would be crushed, 15% said they thought their car could withstand the damage, and 40% wondered what the word unscathed meant, and argued whether it was a 'real' word or not. When assured it was a real word, 20% said it's probably just another fancy word used by elite liberals.

Back to you in the studio, Norm....

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=135067

Pretty rough, this thread was a solid 1/3 of the way down the board when you posted. Come on Yoni.

[Yonivore]

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=135067

Pretty rough, this thread was a solid 1/3 of the way down the board when you posted. Come on Yoni.
Long day...sue me.

[clambake]

Long day...sue me.

see yoni? the hate clouds your vision.

[Yonivore]

see yoni? the hate clouds your vision.
Who are you? Maureen Dowd? Do you impute race into everything? Why do you hate black people, clambake?

[clambake]

Who are you? Maureen Dowd? Do you impute race into everything? Why do you hate black people, clambake?

i didn't say anything about race.

[Yonivore]

i didn't say anything about race.
You didn't have to say anything about race because you have a long history of calling me a racist in this forum. In fact, very few of your posts, directed at me, don't imply I'm a racist.

Had anyone else, in this forum posted, "...the hate clouds your vision," I would have asked them, "what hate." With you, that isn't necessary.

[ChumpDumper]

Damn, why does Yoni always make it about race?

[George Gervin's Afro]

Nate Silver: Poll is "simply not credible." In a September 16 post to his blog FiveThirtyEight.com, Silver listed five reasons why the IBD poll should be "completely ignore[d]":

1. The survey was conducted by mail, which is unusual. The only other mail-based poll that I'm aware of is that conducted by the Columbus Dispatch, which was associated with an average error of about 7 percentage points -- the highest of any pollster that we tested.

2. At least one of the questions is blatantly biased: "Do you believe the government can cover 47 million more people and it will cost less money and th quality of care will be better?". Holy run-on-sentence, Batman? A pollster who asks a question like this one is not intending to be objective.

3. As we learned during the Presidntial campaign -- when, among other things, they had John McCain winning the youth vote 74-22 -- the IBD/TIPP polling operation has literally no idea what they're doing. I mean, literally none. For example, I don't trust IBD/TIPP to have competently selected anything resembling a random panel, which is harder to do than you'd think.

4. They say, somewhat ambiguously: "Responses are still coming in." This is also highly unorthodox. Professional pollsters generally do not report results before the survey period is compete.

5. There is virtually no disclosure about methodology. For example, IBD doesn't bother to define the term "practicing physician", which could mean almost anything. Nor do they explain how their randomization procedure worked, provide the entire question battery, or anything like that.

Silver added: "There are pollsters out there that have an agenda but are highly competent, and there are pollsters that are nonpartisan but not particularly skilled. Rarely, however, do you find the whole package: that special pollster which is both biased and inept. IBD/TIPP is one of the few exceptions."

Your World aired an on-screen graphic calling the poll "not scientific." During Neil Cavuto's discussion of the IBD/TIPP poll on the September 16 edition of Fox News' Your World, the on-screen graphic indicated that the poll was "not scientific":

http://mediamatters.org/research/200909170025


RUh-RHO...

[DarrinS]

http://mediamatters.org/research/200909170025


RUh-RHO...



Well, if Nate Silver is bashing their poll, then there must be something wrong it.

[George Gervin's Afro]

Well, if Nate Silver is bashing their poll, then there must be something wrong it.

bogus polls and consevrtaives go hand and hand..

[DarrinS]

bogus polls and consevrtaives go hand and hand..

Generalize much.

[George Gervin's Afro]

Generalize much.

Only when I deal with people who are guilty of it

[z0sa]

what joy do you fools take from this forum section?

[coyotes_geek]

what joy do you fools take from this forum section?

Every so often a genuine, intellectual and thought provoking discussion breaks out. You just have to wade through all the "your team sucks, my team rules" crap to find it. It's a lot like golf in that sense. Four hours of frustration plus that one perfect shot that will make you come back for more.

[LnGrrrR]

Well, if Nate Silver is bashing their poll, then there must be something wrong it.

I like how you offhandedly dismissed Nate Silver's opinion, as if he didn't do any history on the polling company.

What's even better is that you offhandedly dismissed his opinion, without providing any analysis or rebuttal of his points.

[DarrinS]

I like how you offhandedly dismissed Nate Silver's opinion, as if he didn't do any history on the polling company.

What's even better is that you offhandedly dismissed his opinion, without providing any analysis or rebuttal of his points.


I guess my posts are so sarcastic that people can't tell when I'm being serious. Nate Silver is a very respected statistician.

[LnGrrrR]

I guess my posts are so sarcastic that people can't tell when I'm being serious. Nate Silver is a very respected statistician.

Ah, thanks for the clarification.

[DarrinS]

Ah, thanks for the clarification.


That being said, I can't for the life of me see why doctors would be FOR any kind of socialized medicine. They're going to see many more patients, have no Tort reform, and many are going to have their taxes raised to pay for it.

[LnGrrrR]

That being said, I can't for the life of me see why doctors would be FOR any kind of socialized medicine. They're going to see many more patients, have no Tort reform, and many are going to have their taxes raised to pay for it.

Well, there are doctors in the military. They have set salaries.

Edit: Although doctors in the military don't really have to worry about being sued, IIRC.

[DarrinS]

Well, there are doctors in the military. They have set salaries.

Edit: Although doctors in the military don't really have to worry about being sued, IIRC.


I don't see why the govt doesn't do something like help pay for doctors student loans in exchange for a couple years' work at a govt-run clinic.

[Winehole23]

I don't see why the govt doesn't do something like help pay for doctors student loans in exchange for a couple years' work at a govt-run clinic.I thought you were against government-run health care. Did you change your mind?

[doobs]

I don't see why the govt doesn't do something like help pay for doctors student loans in exchange for a couple years' work at a govt-run clinic.

I think there will be some physicians who will benefit greatly from Obamacare. The more divorced from the costs of healthcare consumers become, the more likely consumers will be to abuse it, which means some doctors' practices will become sausage factories. Business will be "good" for some.

And horrible for others.