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Winehole23
09-17-2009, 12:09 PM
The distracting benefits of ACORN hysteria (http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2009/09/17/acorn_hysteria/index.html)

(updated below)
Earlier this week, I wrote about (http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2009/09/14/resentment/index.html) how the Fox-News/Glenn-Beck/Rush-Limbaugh leadership trains its protesting followers to focus the vast bulk of their resentment and anxieties on largely powerless and downtrodden factions, while ignoring, and even revering, the outright pillaging by virtually omnipotent corporate interests that own and control their Government (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/04/29/dick-durbin-banks-frankly_n_193010.html) (and, not coincidentally, Fox News). It's hard to imagine a more perfectly illustrative example of all of that than the hysterical furor over ACORN (http://voices.washingtonpost.com/thefix/morning-fix/morning-fix-3.html?hpid=topnews).


ACORN has received a grand total of $53 million (http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/columns/special-editorial-reports/ACORN-got-53-million-in-federal-funds-since-94-now-eligible-for-up-to-8-billion-more-44406217.html) in federal funds over the last 15 years -- an average of $3.1 million per year. Meanwhile, not millions, not billions, but trillions of dollars of public funds have been, in the last year alone, transferred to or otherwise used for the benefit of Wall Street. Billions of dollars in American taxpayer money vanished into thin air, eaten by private contractors in Iraq and Afghanistan (http://www.alternet.org/story/140558/report:_billions_of_dollars_lost_to_contractor_fra ud,_waste_and_abuse/), led by Halliburton subsidiary KBR (http://accounting.smartpros.com/x67374.xml). All of those corporate interests employ armies of lobbyists and bottomless donor activities that ensure they dominate our legislative and regulatory processes, and to be extra certain, the revolving door between industry and government is more prolific than ever, with key corporate officials constantly ending up occupying the government positions with the most influence over those industries.


Exactly as one would expect, the prime beneficiaries of all of that pillaging continue to grow. The banks that almost brought the world economy to collapse but then received massive public largesse because they were "too big to fail" are now bigger than ever (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/08/27/AR2009082704193.html); as The Washington Post delicately put it: "The crisis may be turning out very well for many of the behemoths that dominate U.S. finance." Everything involving the government turns out well for these "behemoths" because they own and control the U.S. Government. Just this week, The Post detailed how (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/09/12/AR2009091202932.html?sid=ST2009091203020) the government and Wall St. are now so intertwined that banking executives are spending vast resources to increase their presence in Washington:

So, too, for Fink, who said much hinges on his relationship with Washington. He often has talked to White House chief of staff Rahm Emanuel, Treasury Secretary Timothy F. Geithner and his predecessor, Henry M. Paulson Jr. Fink was among the first regulators reached out to when they needed urgent advice on pricing exotic securities or predicting the global fallout from the failure of large financial firms like Lehman Brothers.


"[B]We are going to be spending more time inside the Beltway, either by helping the government or, if we are asked, shaping policy and decisions," Fink said. "It is beholden on us on behalf of our clients to have input in Washington" . . .
Some firms are bringing Washingtonians to them.


A year ago, James B. Lockhart III was the top federal regulator overseeing Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac when the Bush administration seized the two mortgage finance companies, saving the home loan market from collapse. When Lockhart said last month that he would step down from the Federal Housing Finance Agency, he was snapped up quickly. Today he is vice chairman of WL Ross, which is looking to make money by buying mortgage assets and loans cast off by lenders as unprofitable.
Other former federal officials are scrambling for a piece of the action. Joseph J. Murin, former president of Ginnie Mae, which guarantees securities linked to government-backed mortgages, and former Federal Housing Administration commissioner Brian Montgomery, set up a consulting shop on L Street in mid-August.
As previously documented (http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2009/07/13/goldman/), Goldman Sachs itself has a virtual lock on the top Treasury positions no matter which party is in power. The vaunted bipartisan "Baucus plan" was literally written by a Baucus aide who just left her position as Vice President of Wellpoint (http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/09/08/liz-fowlers-plan/) to write the health care reform plan for the Senate -- a revelation which barely caused a ripple. And the Supreme Court is on the verge of striking down (http://politics.theatlantic.com/2009/09/the_first_amendment_is_about_to_be_redefined.php) the few limits on corporate involvement in our politics, a ruling which may (or may not be) constitutionally defensible but which will flood American politics with so much corporate money that it will give new meaning to the term "oligarchy."

So with this massive pillaging of America's economic security and its control of American government by its richest and most powerful factions growing by the day, to whom is America's intense economic anxiety being directed? To a non-profit group that devotes itself to providing minute benefits to people who live under America's poverty line, and which is so powerless in Washington that virtually the entire U.S. Senate just voted (http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=111&session=1&vote=00275) to cut off its funding at the first sign of real controversy -- could anyone imagine that happening to a key player in the banking or defense industry?


Apparently, the problem for middle-class and lower-middle-class Americans is not that their taxpayer dollars are going to prop up billionaires, oligarchs and their corrupt industries. It's that America's impoverished -- a group that is growing rapidly (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/09/10/national/main5300466.shtml) -- is getting too much, has too much power and too little accountability. Anonymous Liberal has a superb post (http://www.anonymousliberal.com/2009/09/you-can-tell-lot-about-people-by-who.html) on the manipulative inanity of the Fox-generated ACORN "scandal" (h/t D-day (http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2009/09/only-comic-can-inquire-into-such.html)):

Let's take a step back and consider just what ACORN is. It is a non-profit organization whose mission is to empower and improve the lives of poor people. As with many other organizations, ACORN has a number of legally distinct parts, each of which has different sources of funding and engages in different kinds of activities (ACORN's conservative enemies routinely conflate these various parts to imply that ACORN is using federal money for improper political purposes). Since its founding the 70s, ACORN and its employees and volunteers have fought successfully to, among other things, increase minimum wages across the country, increase the quality of public education in poor areas, and protect people from predatory lending practices. In the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina, ACORN helped (http://www.acorn.org/index.php?id=9703) rebuild thousands of homes and assisted victims in relocating and finding housing outside of New Orleans. The ACORN activity that has drawn the most conservative ire is its voter registration efforts which, consistent with ACORN's mission, are primarily aimed at low-income voters (who tend to vote Democratic). . . .


But even if you take these film-makers at face value and assume the worst, the reality is that ACORN has thousands of employees and the vast majority of them spend their days trying to help poor people through perfectly legal means (and receive very little compensation for doing so). Even before yesterday's Senate vote, the amount of federal money that went to ACORN was very small. This is a relatively insignificant organization in the grand scheme of things, but it's an organization that has unquestionably fought over the years to improve the lives of the less fortunate in this country.
That the GOP and its conservative supporters would single out this particular organization for such intense demonization is telling. In September of last year, the entire world came perilously close to complete financial catastrophe. We're still not out of the woods and we're deep within one of the worst recessions in U.S. history. This situation was brought about by the recklessness and greed of our banks and financial institutions, most of which had to be bailed out at enormous cost to the American taxpayer (exponentially more than all of the tax dollars given to ACORN over the years). The people who brought about this near catastrophe, for the most, profited immensely from it. These very same institutions, propped up by the American taxpayer, are once again raking in large profits.
But rather than focus their anger on these folks, conservatives choose to go after an organization composed almost entirely of low-paid community organizers, an organization that could never hope to have even a small fraction of the clout or the ability to affect the overall direction of the country that Wall Street bankers have. ACORN's relative lack of political influence was on full display yesterday, when the U.S. Senate (in which Democrats have a supermajority) not only entertained a vote to defund ACORN, but approved it by a huge margin (with only seven Democrats opposing).
If one were to watch Fox News or listen to Rush Limbaugh -- as millions do -- one would believe that the burden of the ordinary American taxpayer, and the unfair plight of America's rich, is that their money is being stolen by the poorest and most powerless sectors of the society. An organization whose constituencies are often-unregistered inner-city minorities, the homeless and the dispossesed is depicted as though it's Goldman Sachs, Blackwater, Haillburton and combined, as though Washington officials are in thrall to those living in poverty rather than those who fund their campaigns. It's not the nice men in the suits doing the stealing but the very people, often minorities or illegal immigrants, with no political or financial power who nonetheless somehow dominate the government and get everything for themselves. The poorer and weaker one is, the more one is demonized in right-wing mythology as all-powerful receipients of ill-gotten gains; conversely, the stronger and more powerful one is, the more one is depicted as an oppressed and put-upon victim (that same dynamic applies to foreign affairs as well). It's such an obvious falsehood -- so counter-intuitive and irrational -- yet it resonates due to powerful cultural manipulations. Most of all, what's so pernicious about all of this is that the same interests who are stealing, pillaging and wallowing in corruption are scapegoating the poorest and most vulnerable in order to ensure that the victims of their behavior are furious with everyone except for them.

UPDATE: John Cole highlights (http://www.balloon-juice.com/?p=26957) what might be the most telling aspect of all of this: demands for a "Special Prosecutor" into Obama's so-called "relationship with ACORN" from the very same circles that vehemently objected to investigations into torture, illegal government spying, politicized prosecutions, military contractor theft, Lewis Libby's obstruction of justice, and virtually every other instance of Bush-era act of criminality. Those, of course, are the very same people who, before that, demanded endless inquiries into Whitewater and Vince Foster's murder. There's nothing more valuable than petty, dramatic "scandals" to distract attention from what is actually taking place.

LnGrrrR
09-17-2009, 01:20 PM
UPDATE: John Cole highlights (http://www.balloon-juice.com/?p=26957) what might be the most telling aspect of all of this: demands for a "Special Prosecutor" into Obama's so-called "relationship with ACORN" from the very same circles that vehemently objected to investigations into torture, illegal government spying, politicized prosecutions, military contractor theft, Lewis Libby's obstruction of justice, and virtually every other instance of Bush-era act of criminality. Those, of course, are the very same people who, before that, demanded endless inquiries into Whitewater and Vince Foster's murder. There's nothing more valuable than petty, dramatic "scandals" to distract attention from what is actually taking place.


This.

ashbeeigh
09-17-2009, 01:30 PM
But even if you take these film-makers at face value and assume the worst, the reality is that ACORN has thousands of employees and the vast majority of them spend their days trying to help poor people through perfectly legal means (and receive very little compensation for doing so). Even before yesterday's Senate vote, the amount of federal money that went to ACORN was very small. This is a relatively insignificant organization in the grand scheme of things, but it's an organization that has unquestionably fought over the years to improve the lives of the less fortunate in this country.



This is the most important part of the whole post. Please keep this in mind. Thanks.

SpurNation
09-17-2009, 01:30 PM
ACORN's relative lack of political influence was on full display yesterday, when the U.S. Senate (in which Democrats have a supermajority) not only entertained a vote to defund ACORN, but approved it by a huge margin (with only seven Democrats opposing).


Why would so many Democrats vote to defund ACORN?

Scary article. It makes one perceive that no matter who is in Congress... decisions are pursuasively enlightened by corporate America.

Of course it didn't help that staff members of ACORN were dumb enough to allow permisable evidence and exposure to be caught on video. Their actions simply can't be defended anymore by even the most Liberal.

coyotes_geek
09-17-2009, 01:50 PM
Sorry Acorn. You should have policed your people better. Politically, there are only two taboos in this country that you can't go anywhere near. Child porn and dog fighting. Touch one of those two and it's over. Doesn't matter how guilty or innocent you are. Your political enemies will do everything in their power to take you down and your political allies will be silent, but willing, accomplices.

DarrinS
09-17-2009, 01:52 PM
The child sex slave trade is a distration.

101A
09-17-2009, 02:00 PM
Misdirection.

The magician's oldest trick.

Our govt. is VERY good at it.


Goldman Sachs itself has a virtual lock on the top Treasury positions no matter which party is in power.

Glen Beck has actually talked about this:

khGZ3a4zTNU

Good article.

DarrinS
09-17-2009, 02:07 PM
It appears to me that more people are hysterical about protecting ACORN -- and I really don't know why.

CosmicCowboy
09-17-2009, 02:11 PM
Sorry Ashley, but the house just voted overwhelmingly to cut all federal funds to Acorn. hope you didn't burn your bridges at West.

Winehole23
09-17-2009, 02:23 PM
Of course it didn't help that staff members of ACORN were dumb enough to allow permisable evidence and exposure to be caught on video. Their actions simply can't be defended anymore by even the most Liberal.Who's defending Acorn? They deserve the flames.

IMO intensity of the flames isn't proportional to the actual harm done.

Winehole23
09-17-2009, 02:26 PM
It appears to me that more people are hysterical about protecting ACORN -- and I really don't know why.I'm not protecting ACORN. I just think the media kerfuffle is trivial, inane and ultimately irrelevant.

Winehole23
09-17-2009, 02:30 PM
The child sex slave trade is a distration.When there aren't any children, any sex and any trade actually involved -- yes. Though ACORN employees were caught going along with despicable propositions, there was no actual prostitution and no actual victims.

It's a big distraction from things that are way more important.

George Gervin's Afro
09-17-2009, 02:31 PM
It appears to me that more people are hysterical about protecting ACORN -- and I really don't know why.

outraged!:lmao

DarrinS
09-17-2009, 02:41 PM
I'm not protecting ACORN. I just think the media kerfuffle is trivial, inane and ultimately irrelevant.


What media kefuffle? Charles Gibson doesn't even know anything about this story.

DarrinS
09-17-2009, 02:43 PM
When there aren't any children, any sex and any trade actually involved -- yes. Though ACORN employees were caught going along with despicable propositions, there was no actual prostitution and no actual victims.

It's a big distraction from things that are way more important.


In the grand scheme of things, I agree with you. Let's just cut their funding from American tax payers and move on to bigger problems.

CosmicCowboy
09-17-2009, 02:52 PM
What media kefuffle? Charles Gibson doesn't even know anything about this story.

CNN covered it this morning. The anchor made a big point that it was sketchy journalism for a reporter to use a fake ID and secret camera...

uhhhhh.....60 Minutes anyone? Is it only sketchy when it doesn't support CNN's agenda?

Winehole23
09-17-2009, 02:54 PM
Sketchy may have been a code word for illegal. In some states (like Maryland and NY) it's illegal to film or record people without their permission.

DarrinS
09-17-2009, 02:56 PM
Sketchy may have been a code word for illegal. In some states (like Maryland and NY) it's illegal to film or record people without their permission.


I'm not doubting what you're saying, but don't they use hidden cameras to do "investigative journalism" all the time? Suddenly CNN sees this practice as "shady". I smell something rotten.

SpurNation
09-17-2009, 02:57 PM
Who's defending Acorn? They deserve the flames.

IMO intensity of the flames isn't proportional to the actual harm done.

I was making perception to the article itself in that apparently many of those (Congressman) that used to defend ACORN have pulled the plug on it's funding because of the indefensible actions recently caught on tape.

At this juncture...it would be political suicide to defend their actions though it's easier to hide the greater atrocities of influence by corporate America in government even though those (if exposed) would probably have even more implications than what ACORN has done.

I wouldn't suspect many prominant Congressman are on the take for just 3.1 mil. But could easily speculate how many are influenced by lobbiest of giant corporations if the fiscal stakes are a lot higher.

CosmicCowboy
09-17-2009, 02:59 PM
Just being fair and balanced and pointing out that CBS and 60 Minutes has been doing it for 40 years and received several Peabody awards and 12 emmy nominations for doing exactly the same thing.

ashbeeigh
09-17-2009, 03:00 PM
Sorry Ashley, but the house just voted overwhelmingly to cut all federal funds to Acorn.

I said it in another post, but ACORN as a whole does not run on tax money. It is a community union, its members pay $120 a year and it is the largest community union in the country, which means its dues area sizable amount. They also have funds from other organizations that are not the US government. The stoppage of HUD money may put a dent in the number of people working for ACORN it won't stop the organization.

Just think, if the funding stops your tax money is going to pay for their unemployment. Paki already said he'd pay my bills. So I'm covered. But think of all those other people that you don't know!

Winehole23
09-17-2009, 03:03 PM
The actual harm to the public revealed in the expose' isn't Peabody worthy, IMO.

But it is very salacious and titillating, I'll give you that.

BacktoBasics
09-17-2009, 03:05 PM
The problem is that you guys

1. Somehow want to make this into an Obama issue

2. Think that somewhere over the fucking rainbow that the higher ups at ACORN are promoting this type of behavior. Some of you idiots think that these people are trained to push these unethical actions.

This is filler news at best. Pretty pathetic to have turned it into the circus that its become.

Viva Las Espuelas
09-17-2009, 03:11 PM
Sorry Ashley, but the house just voted overwhelmingly to cut all federal funds to Acorn. hope you didn't burn your bridges at West.
not all. some

CosmicCowboy
09-17-2009, 03:35 PM
not all. some


By JIM ABRAMS, Associated Press Writer Jim Abrams, Associated Press Writer – 34 mins ago

WASHINGTON – The House voted Thursday to deny all federal funds for ACORN in a GOP-led strike against the scandal-tainted community organizing group that comes just three days after the Senate took similar action.

It was the Senate that just cut funds related to housing...

BacktoBasics
09-17-2009, 03:37 PM
It was the Senate that just cut funds related to housing...This is fucking ridiculous. The world over is full of low life corrupt unethical people. Didn't seem to matter when they were handing out bailouts.

What a fucking joke. This country is run like shit by shit for shit.

CosmicCowboy
09-17-2009, 03:51 PM
What a fucking joke. This country is run like shit by shit for shit.

:lmao

signature worthy!

Nbadan
09-17-2009, 04:31 PM
Congress is protecting it's ass like always, CYA
Meanwhile I would not be surprised to seethis blowovet and funding
restored when any investigation concludes that the only laws
broken were those by FAUX News and the vanilla pimp for defamation
and illegal eavesdropping - bookit.

Winehole23
09-17-2009, 04:33 PM
I'm not doubting what you're saying, but don't they use hidden cameras to do "investigative journalism" all the time? Suddenly CNN sees this practice as "shady". I smell something rotten.It's a bit shady no matter who does it. It's inherently deceptive. If it wasn't, why hide the cameras?

That said, to go into offices and, apropos of nothing, propose setting up child brothels to people who probably never had it in their minds before you pitched it -- and to secretly tape them while you make the indecent pitch -- is a bit shady too. Anyone stupid enough to go along with it probably isn't smart enough to come up with it on their own.

Nbadan
09-17-2009, 04:38 PM
You can not equate FAUX with legitimate news sources, besides no one does
investigative reporting anymore.

Viva Las Espuelas
09-17-2009, 04:52 PM
another faux spauting

Viva Las Espuelas
09-17-2009, 04:56 PM
This is the most important part of the whole post. Please keep this in mind. Thanks.
did you see those people from acorn echo those same sentiments when they were on glenn beck? oh knows...mad glenn beck. he had them on a few months ago. the initial intent was good but acorn has gone farrrrrrr from it.

CosmicCowboy
09-17-2009, 05:16 PM
My problem with acorn is that they are blatantly political. You can't be a non-profit taking federal funds and back one party and one agenda. They want to do their community outreach bullshit with private funds and stay the fuck out of politics I have no beef with them.

jack sommerset
09-17-2009, 05:19 PM
It appears to me that more people are hysterical about protecting ACORN -- and I really don't know why.

Plus one. Fuck dude you call them out and the Obama dems go ape shit (hysterical) protecting them. Good news. ACORN IS DONE. Remember you can put lip stick on a pig.:lol

hope4dopes
09-17-2009, 06:09 PM
The child sex slave trade is a distration.

Yeah it's mindboggeling that the apoligists for Obama can just sort of phase that out of their minds or else they don't really have much of a problem with slavery as long as the slaves are brown and young,and female .Much like how Obama cried crocidlle tears in Ghana about a slave trade that ended nearly two centuries ago and yet studiously ignores a vibrant trade in black slaves that is going on in Africa today with the complicity of Ghana by the way. I find it amazing, but predictable that the National Council for La Raza has not said a peep about this.
Aploigists are feigning a little too casually this episode. They believe by a studious indiffrence to this disgusting crime they can manufacture a consent that it is something we should forge. I think they are whisteling past the graveyard, parents all over America aren't going to sweep this under the rug. I really wish someone in Congress or maybe we the people should have these Acorn workers prosecuted with criminal charges and demand a justice department investigation.

ChumpDumper
09-17-2009, 07:51 PM
Ah, there's the micca meltdown.

Were there real sex slaves in this case you might have seen a little more indignation.

LnGrrrR
09-17-2009, 08:01 PM
Plus one. Fuck dude you call them out and the Obama dems go ape shit (hysterical) protecting them. Good news. ACORN IS DONE. Remember you can put lip stick on a pig.:lol

How many people in here were supporting ACORN? Ashbeigh, GG's Afro I think, and maybe Boutons.

That's not quite all the Obama supporters in here.

hope4dopes
09-17-2009, 08:40 PM
Ah, there's the micca meltdown.

Were there real sex slaves in this case you might have seen a little more indignation.

You can't expect people to accomadate your short attention span ....live with it, learn with it ,grow with it.

hope4dopes
09-17-2009, 08:41 PM
It's a bit shady no matter who does it. It's inherently deceptive. If it wasn't, why hide the cameras?

That said, to go into offices and, apropos of nothing, propose setting up child brothels to people who probably never had it in their minds before you pitched it -- and to secretly tape them while you make the indecent pitch -- is a bit shady too. Anyone stupid enough to go along with it probably isn't smart enough to come up with it on their own.

Your kidding right?

Nbadan
09-17-2009, 11:57 PM
How many people in here were supporting ACORN? Ashbeigh, GG's Afro I think, and maybe Boutons.

That's not quite all the Obama supporters in here.

I don't support ACORN, but a few canvassers getting busted trying to rip off Acorn (dun!) and this clown getting low-level employees to say dumb-ass shit on a hidden camera is hardly evidence of a corrupt organization....more like, the right fears it because it is a minority organization - and therefore, the enemy.....

ChumpDumper
09-18-2009, 03:14 AM
You can't expect people to accomadate your short attention span ....live with it, learn with it ,grow with it.I expected real sex slaves for this kind of pants-shitting by you folk, that's all.

LnGrrrR
09-18-2009, 07:26 AM
Your kidding right?

You can't even spell a three word post correctly? Honestly, you're doing this just to aggravate me, right?

hope4dopes
09-18-2009, 09:33 AM
You can't even spell a three word post correctly? Honestly, you're doing this just to aggravate me, right?

Yes we have an administration whose only "shovel ready" work program being offered to the American worker is pimping underage illegals,and the only outrage you can find is for poor spelling.

LnGrrrR
09-18-2009, 09:35 AM
Yes we have an administration whose only "shovel ready" work program being offered to the American worker is pimping underage illegals,and the only outrage you can find is for poor spelling.

I'm intelligent enough to be able to maintain more than one outrage at a time, actually. I'm more than capable of being annoyed with your spelling AND at bank bailouts at the same time.

hope4dopes
09-18-2009, 10:14 AM
I'm intelligent enough to be able to maintain more than one outrage at a time, actually. I'm more than capable of being annoyed with your spelling AND at bank bailouts at the same time.

Yeaaaaah I'm not seeing it.

LnGrrrR
09-18-2009, 11:21 AM
Yeaaaaah I'm not seeing it.

That's because you are unable to see anything that isn't directly in front of you Micca. Your vision is extremely limited.

ChumpDumper
09-18-2009, 03:08 PM
Yes we have an administration whose only "shovel ready" work program being offered to the American worker is pimping underage illegals,and the only outrage you can find is for poor spelling.Which underage illegals are being pimped? The ones that don't really exist?

Are you guys still having problems figuring that out?

Winehole23
09-18-2009, 03:10 PM
Which underage illegals are being pimped?It's a fantasy. Wish fulfillment, probably.

mogrovejo
09-18-2009, 03:26 PM
The stoppage of HUD money may put a dent in the number of people working for ACORN it won't stop the organization.

Just think, if the funding stops your tax money is going to pay for their unemployment. Paki already said he'd pay my bills. So I'm covered. But think of all those other people that you don't know!

Why would Acorn fire anyone? If the work they do is appreciated and needed, there are certainly many people, including some posters here, willing to replaced the government funding with their own money. If ACORN can't get people to voluntarily fund their activities, then their activities aren't really seen as essential by the community and to cut all funding was the right decision (in that case, the only reason for the funding was that a few politicians thought that ACORN's work was meritorious and decided to use other's people money to subsidize it - heck, you can get the guys who voted against the decision to cut the funds to replace the amount with their own money, unless they're shameless hypocrites).

ashbeeigh
09-18-2009, 04:39 PM
Why would Acorn fire anyone?
No matter how you slice it, the stoppage of the HUD grants will affect ACORN. They do pay some paychecks, and some bills (phone bills, internet bills, copier bills, etc) They also allow ACORN to add people to their staff to do the outreach and to get the help. Without the grant there would be less money.

Those CDBG's and other grants that were stopped are for specific jobs

Organizers that are on the frontlines are probably safe from the funding cuts because their paychecks come from membership dues and fundraising, etc.

But, the people they add for specific projects, tax season, education outreach (where you help people find ways to get GEDs, vocational training, etc), could be in trouble. Last year, I didn't mention it because of the flack I got from the last job trouble I had, but I went from full time to part time during the massive voter registration fraud scandal because one of the big funders cut their ties with ACORN. It sucked the big one. That's why I worry. It will hurt some, but ACORN will still be around, maybe just not as big and as nasty.



there are certainly many people, including some posters here, willing to replaced the government funding with their own money. If ACORN can't get people to voluntarily fund their activities, then their activities aren't really seen as essential by the community and to cut all funding was the right decision

As I mentioned before, ACORN does get funding from other organizations. I don't know if it was this thread or not. But there are other funders. The HUD funding will put a dent in the work they do, but the work they do will not stop.




(in that case, the only reason for the funding was that a few politicians thought that ACORN's work was meritorious and decided to use other's people money to subsidize it - heck, you can get the guys who voted against the decision to cut the funds to replace the amount with their own money, unless they're shameless hypocrites).

I agree 1000%.