We must abolish the white "race"

[nuclearfm]

The white race is a historically constructed social formation. The term "white" race originated with the advent of African Slave trade to colonies in the Americas and elsewhere. It consists of all those who partake of the privileges of the white skin in this society. Its most wretched members share a status higher, in certain respects, than that of the most exalted persons excluded from it, in return for which they give their support to a system that degrades them.

The key to solving the social problems of our age is to abolish the white race -- in other words, to abolish the privileges of the white skin. Until that task is accomplished, even partial reform will prove elusive, because white influence permeates every issue, domestic and foreign, in U.S. society.

The way to abolish the white race is to challenge, disrupt and eventually overturn the institutions and behavior patterns that reproduce the privileges of whiteness, including the schools, job and housing markets, and the criminal justice system. The abolitionists do not limit themselves to socially acceptable means of protest, but reject in advance no means of attaining their goal.

We do not hate you or anyone else for the color of her skin. What we hate is a system that confers privileges (and burdens) on people because of their color. It is not fair skin that makes people white; it is fair skin in a certain kind of society, one that attaches social importance to skin color. When we say we want to abolish the white race, we do not mean we want to exterminate people with fair skin. We mean that we want to do away with the social meaning of skin color, thereby abolishing the white race as a social category. Consider this parallel: To be against royalty does not mean wanting to kill the king. It means wanting to do away with crowns, thrones, titles, and the privileges attached to them. In our view, whiteness has a lot in common with royalty: they are both social formations that carry unearned advantages

Noel Ignatiev

[hope4dopes]

Noel Ignatiev

Please somebody stop him before he posts again.

[coyotes_geek]

I was just thinking how there weren't nearly enough threads about race here............

[nuclearfm]

I was just thinking how there weren't nearly enough threads about race here............

It really riles up the right wingers. I'm thinking about posting black nationalism articles next time.

[coyotes_geek]

It really riles up the right wingers. I'm thinking about posting black nationalism articles next time.

Make sure to work fox news in there somehow. The righties and the lefties will go bonkers. That's a guaranteed 5 page thread there.

[DarkReign]

I am from one of the most racially segregated areas in the country, and race is never brought up as often as it is here.

[clambake]

I am from one of the most racially segregated areas in the country, and race is never brought up as often as it is here.

segregated?

[nuclearfm]

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[ashbeeigh]

But you can keep your "black" "hispanic" "mexican" "asian" "el salvadorian" "indian" "filipino" "punjabi" "japanese" colombian," etc. The Europeans just can't be white. That's just not fair. No no no no. God forbid. Oh, and take away the affirmative action...never ever.

:rolleyes

[jack sommerset]

It really riles up the right wingers. I'm thinking about posting black nationalism articles next time.

Please do it.

[nuclearfm]

But you can keep your "black" "hispanic" "mexican" "asian" "el salvadorian" "indian" "filipino" "punjabi" "japanese" colombian," etc. The Europeans just can't be white. That's just not fair. No no no no. God forbid. Oh, and take away the affirmative action...never ever.

:rolleyes

That's not posted anywhere. "Black" is also a racial term created by the creation of "white".

[Winehole23]

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[nuclearfm]

Please do it.

Sure, I'll go ahead and post it so you can use the race card card defense and legitimize anything you have to say.

[DarkReign]

segregated?

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/segregated

Main Entry: segregated
Function: adjective
Date: 1652
1 a : set apart or separated from others of the same kind or group <a segregated account in a bank> b : divided in facilities or administered separately for members of different groups or races <segregated education> c : restricted to members of one group or one race by a policy of segregation <segregated schools>
2 : practicing or maintaining segregation especially of races <segregated states>

[clambake]

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/segregated

Main Entry: segregated
Function: adjective
Date: 1652
1 a : set apart or separated from others of the same kind or group <a segregated account in a bank> b : divided in facilities or administered separately for members of different groups or races <segregated education> c : restricted to members of one group or one race by a policy of segregation <segregated schools>
2 : practicing or maintaining segregation especially of races <segregated states>
i know what it means. just surprised with the way you described your area.

[hope4dopes]

It really riles up the right wingers. I'm thinking about posting black nationalism articles next time.

Well here's an idea that might appeal to you. Why don't you and some of your "rocket science" buddies get together and ride around in a car at night exposing your bare buttcoks to people, I thought it might appeal to someone of your "intelligence." Or perhaps that's all your threads really are...grow some balls dude and try doing it in real life, just wait for warm weather.

[ashbeeigh]

That's not posted anywhere. "Black" is also a racial term created by the creation of "white".

Oh, I understood the original post. It was getting back to the "color blind society" that the forefathers of the United States were so keen on.

My post was my opinion and my response.

[nuclearfm]

Well here's an idea that might appeal to you. Why don't you and some of your "rocket science" buddies get together and ride around in a car at night exposing your bare buttcoks to people, I thought it might appeal to someone of your "intelligence." Or perhaps that's all your threads really are...grow some balls dude and try doing it in real life, just wait for warm weather.
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[clambake]

it appears that micca has some interest in your balls.

[mookie2001]

this thread sucks

[sam1617]

So why do we need to get rid of cultures again?

I mean, I'm certainly not opposed to being "color blind" and taking individuals at their individual worth, however, to say that a culture should be abolished is questionable, to say the least.

But whatever, what do I know, my race apparently needs to be abolished.

[SpurNation]

I was just thinking how there weren't nearly enough threads about race here............

:lol

[DarkReign]

i know what it means. just surprised with the way you described your area.

Oh, I thought you were saying I spelled it wrong or something.

Dont be surprised, there is no way to sugarcoat the Detroit Metro Area.

Detroit City = 80-85% Black

Suburbs surrounding Detroit = 80-85% White

Thems' the facts. People, namely a friend of mine and his wife, have family in other places of the country (they visit South Carolina routinely). They always come back with stories of how un-segregated those areas are (basically, as naivé as this sounds, how many black people you see amongst white people on an everyday basis...not at a sporting event like here in Detroit). About how what a non-issue race is there, whereas here in Detroit, there is a palpable tension between those residents of the city and everyone else.

[DarkReign]

Oh, I understood the original post. It was getting back to the "color blind society" that the forefathers of the United States were so keen on.

Then you have a very idealized view of this nation's forefathers.

There was no such altruism to be had in their actions or words outside religious neutrality. Most, if not all our forefathers were very rich, happy, slave-owning land barons.

Beyond their goal of getting away from an all-powerful monarchy system and its influence (freedom of speech, press and firearms), their motives were selfish at best.

[nuclearfm]

So why do we need to get rid of cultures again?

I mean, I'm certainly not opposed to being "color blind" and taking individuals at their individual worth, however, to say that a culture should be abolished is questionable, to say the least.

But whatever, what do I know, my race apparently needs to be abolished.

It's not a real race, it's artificially conjured up. Caucasian includes those from the middle east, but you would hardly find any person today who identified Arabs as white people. Sicilians (Italians) and the Irish were long never identified as white. It's not the culture you are speaking of.

[ashbeeigh]

Then you have a very idealized view of this nation's forefathers.



Oh, I try. :)

[Extra Stout]

First of all, the only way to accomplish what the person quoted by the OP posits is revolution.

Second of all, the warning about not being limited to socially acceptable means of protest is code language for violent revolution.

Third of all, the language about overturning institutions is straight Marxist rhetoric, only "bourgeoisie" is replaced by "white people" and "proletariat" is replace by "nonwhite people."

So what I see clear as day as the emerging left-wing ideology of race in the United States is just warmed-over Marxism. Just because Marxism always failed everywhere it was tried doesn't matter, because of course only white people tried it, so let's reinvent the wheel.

Of course the rhetoric expressed in the quoted essay either demonstrates "not getting it," or it simply does not put all its cards on the table. The institutions which confer "white privilege" do not do so because unconsciously they evaluate skin color. They do so because they exist within a cultural framework which is familiar to whites and unfamiliar in varying degrees to nonwhites. The reason it is unfamiliar to nonwhites is because they were excluded from participating in the building of these institutions, regardless of whatever putative access they are granted now. The skin-color component is when the disparities in results due to relative cultural unfamiliarity vaguely correlate to concepts of "race," and therefore appear to the unsophisticated to be supported empirically, which in turn reinforces them.

American history contradicts the notion that skin color defines "whiteness." Originally only Anglos in American were "white." Over time the other Germanic and Scandinavian groups got grafted in. In 1850, no Celtic, Slavic, or southern European person would have been considered "white," irrespective of their complexion, but in modern times that has changed and they too have been grafted in. People intermarried and the lines did not merely blur, but outright disappeared.

The same thing is happening today with Latinos. The rhetoric about Latino immigrants closely mimics what one would have heard about the Irish and Italians in the Gilded Age. The Census Bureau already considers mestizos to be "white," even if the culture has not yet caught up.

But two problems remain -- the grafting in of black Americans according to this process is unacceptable because 1) it happens so much more slowly due to the legacy of institutionalized segregation (the effects of which I place as much more significant to the present situation than 19th-century slavery), and 2) the legacy of slavery wiped out for blacks the cultural foundation upon which other "nonwhite" people groups can build and synthesize the efficient and successful aspects of dominant "white" culture. On the latter point, the only foundation left for black people then is the experience of slavery and oppression inflicted by the dominant white culture, which would make the process of synthesizing that culture into their own an act of self-hatred, totally unacceptable.

From that standpoint, the seemingly self-defeating revulsion in that community towards empirically successful cultural attitudes in white society regarding education, the economy, systems of government both local and national, even standards of decorum, at least becomes coherent. It is not so much a rejection of those ideals themselves as a rejection of them within the current system, a system which simply must be destroyed in order to achieve any meaningful kind of liberation, any kind that is not simply a kind of domestication.

On a side point, this wave provides a means for long-discredited Marxist fellow-travelers to climb back into respectability. Just ten years ago, there appeared to be no possible way to true socialism in America. Now, the social fabric is unraveling quickly enough that the opportunity is as prime as it has been -- at least for a part of the country -- since the 1930's.

The good news for those of that bent is that this system is in fact coming to an end. Along those lines, what would appear to be incompetence by those currently in power (and many of those not in power) with regard to enacting their reform agenda, or even maintaining a forum in which sufficient decorum remains for anything to be debated, starts to make sense from the perspective of a radicalism which seeks to delegitimize the existing system in the minds of the masses, and speed up its implosion.

The bad news of course is that in the chaos which comes following the collapse of the existing system nobody really knows what will emerge. In my opinion, what comes next will be the greatest terror in history.

This all fits into my vision of America fifty years from now where the heart of blue-state America along the Eastern seaboard has devolved into neo-Stalinism while the Southeast has split off and become the Fourth Reich, as the rest of the country splinters into various states and fiefdoms, and they all fight a nuclear war against one another and destroy everything and kill themselves, so that the Mexicans can come in afterward, rebuild everything, and rule it all for at least a few centuries. Of course I must be a kook, because those sorts of things never happen, the Theodosian Walls will keep us safe forever, the Khalifate will never fall, the Triple Entente is just for deterrence, the Maginot Line will hold, there will be Peace in Our Time.

[mookie2001]

The Census Bureau already considers mestizos to be "white," even if the culture has not yet caught up.

caught up to white?

[DarrinS]

I'm more #F5DEB3 than I am #FFFFFF

[jack sommerset]

Sure, I'll go ahead and post it so you can use the race card card defense and legitimize anything you have to say.

:lol That would make me like the Obama democrats.

[symple19]

this thread sucks
:tu