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DarrinS
09-23-2009, 10:54 AM
Tough political realities quiet youth 'Obamamania'
(http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090922/ap_on_re_us/us_obama_youth_hangover_2)





CHICAGO – Young Americans showed their collective power when they helped vote President Obama into office. Inspired by his message of "change," they knocked on doors, spread flyers, voted for him by a 2-1 margin, and partied like rock-the-vote stars when he won.

Since the election, though, that fervor has died down — noticeably. And while young people remain the president's most loyal supporters in opinion polls, a lot of people are wondering why that age group isn't doing more to build upon their newfound reputation as political influencers.

"It's one thing to get excited about a presidential candidate. It's another thing to become a responsible citizen," says Jennifer Donahue, political director for the New Hampshire Institute Of Politics. She and other political analysts thinks they have yet to prove themselves.

Professors and students themselves also are noticing the quiet on college campuses, which were hotbeds for "Obamamania" during the campaign.

"They're supportive, but in a bystander kind of way," says Laura Katz Olson, a political science professor at Lehigh University in Pennsylvania.

Erin Carroll, a 19-year-old sophomore at LaSalle University in Philadelphia, blames the lack of engagement on her generation's short attention span. They want change — right now, she says — and haven't gotten it.

"I feel like everybody walks around with their cell phone and their laptops. We feel like we need everything immediately. So that's what we've become accustomed to," Carroll says. "We're the 'me-me-me' generation."

It's not just on college campuses.

Russ Marshalek, a 27-year-old professional in Astoria, N.Y., observes his 20-something peers sitting back and letting the president do the work for them. "Rather than allow him to speak FOR us, we need to be inspired BY him, and volunteer in our communities, speak our minds, write, read, think, act," says Marshalek, a social media director who works with small businesses.

Such is the fate of Generation Y, as they're known, both praised for their willingness to volunteer but also maligned as the "entitlement generation" — eager to help but unsure how to deal with tumultuous times that are a first for many of them.

On top of that, many of their parents are baby boomers who witnessed, and participated in, the civil rights movement and Vietnam War protests that followed John F. Kennedy's death. That's a lot to live up to.

But to be fair, says political scientist Mike Wagner says, it's tough for young people — or any American, for that matter — to know how to get involved in issues with solutions that aren't always so clear-cut.

Volunteering for a candidate? Fairly easy to do. Helping solve some of the toughest issues to face our nation, from health care reform to a deep-seated financial crisis? Not so much.

"These aren't easy issues for young people. It's not 'Should we go to war in Iraq?' or 'Should gay marriage be legalized?'" says Wagner, an assistant professor at the University of Nebraska.

He sees a lot of young people getting lost in the details, or bored by them. Or like a lot of us, they're more focused on their own worries, such as getting a job or paying off mountains of student loans.

Some say the president also could be doing more to engage this demographic that was so key to his early success.

"I think young people do have clout, and I think it's a mistake if he doesn't use them," says Mary Ellen Balchunis, a political science professor at LaSalle University, who counts Carroll among her students. Balchunis witnessed the fervor on campus during the campaign — the "dorm storming," when students persuaded their peers to go to rallies and eventually to the polls. She also recalls how students danced in the streets with nearby neighborhood residents after Obama won.

Certainly, health care was on their priority list then, and remains so. An AP-GfK poll conducted earlier this month found that two-thirds of 18- to 29-year-olds rated such reform as "very" or "extremely" important. So far, though, the proposed health care overhauls have failed win the support of a good number of them. Only about half of them said they approved of the way the president was handling health care and only 38 percent said they supported health care plans being discussed in Congress.

Balchunis thinks the president could boost youth support on these and other issues — and get them influencing their parents, as they did in the election — if he mobilized and spoke directly to them, the way he did during the campaign. He could for instance, make use of the well-organized student groups that campaigned for him to push the issues of the day.

If he doesn't, Balchunis thinks that also could have negative ramifications for Democrats in the upcoming midterm elections, because those young voters will lose interest and won't bother to show up at the polls. That's what happened, she says, after her own young generation was initially excited about Bill Clinton when he was first elected president in 1992. Then, just two years later, Democrats lost control of Congress.

Letdown is inevitable to a point, says James Emmett, an unemployed recent college graduate.

"Of course I'm not as hopeful because everyone's been exhausted, absorbed by the economic realities, from man on the street to Congressman," says the 23-year-old artist who's living with his parents on Long Island, N.Y., while he looks for work. But, he adds, the president needs to "trust that we're still with him, build upon his community of support."

Certainly, the ugliness of the political process has turned off some young people, and made even some of the president's most ardent supporters antsy.

"The only thing that has changed in my mind is the sense of urgency I feel for the president to do what he came to Washington to do," says Sam An, a 20-year-old student and president of the Young Democrats group at the St. Louis College of Pharmacy. "I feel that if he got some substantial things accomplished, it might quell the heated political discourse."

That's tough to do in a system that was set up to encourage legislative gridlock, even if it doesn't fit well with young people's hunger for change, says Joshua Dyck an assistant professor of political science at the University at Buffalo.

"Gridlock is as American as apple pie," Dyck says. "The question is whether getting excited about an election and then being exposed to the letdown, the gridlock and compromise, whether that will lead to an erosion of the voter turnout gains we saw in 2008."

For her part, Jessica Sullivan, a senior at Elmhurst College in suburban Chicago, remains hopeful about the president, about her generation, and about her own ability to stay inspired and give back.

"I have to be," says the 22-year-old who's doing her student teaching this fall. "I'm about to walk out of college in February with a degree in education."

And if it wasn't so in college, the real world — health care, economy, all of it — is about to get very real.

coyotes_geek
09-23-2009, 11:16 AM
And the inevitable cycle of political awareness continues. The youth rally behind a politician promising to fight the machine only to end up disappointed once the reality sets in that the fight never was about being against the machine, but merely over who gets the privledge of operating it.

clambake
09-23-2009, 11:21 AM
And the inevitable cycle of political awareness continues. The youth rally behind a politician promising to fight the machine only to end up disappointed once the reality sets in that the fight never was about being against the machine, but merely over who gets the privledge of operating it.

very true, however, this guy gets the privilege of trying to rescue an abortion.

LnGrrrR
09-23-2009, 11:27 AM
Maybe it's because Obama has gone back on many of the things he's promised, like stopping enhanced interrogation, being more transparent, and allowing habeas corpus to captives. Or maybe it's because he bailed out fatcats during the banking collapse.

Most likely, it's because the youth in this nation register themselves as more left than most generations, and Obama is posing himself as a centrist. The majority of young people in most polls seems to want universal healthcare, and a public option. Obama isn't giving them that, so it's no surprise that they're disappointed.

rjv
09-23-2009, 11:32 AM
and inevitably most youth transition into becoming greedy bastards down the road. :p:

coyotes_geek
09-23-2009, 12:25 PM
very true, however, this guy gets the privilege of trying to rescue an abortion.

A concept he made his entire campaign about. Then once he got in we learned that his concept of a "rescue" isn't really any different from what he told us caused the abortion.

DarkReign
09-23-2009, 12:30 PM
You mean the voting "youth" of this country got a huge dose of reality and are now discouraged?

Color me surprised.

Gino
09-23-2009, 12:37 PM
I remember shortly after Obama won, I saw a viral in which Ashton Kutcher and serveral other celebrities would talk to the camera as to what "pledge" they were making to help the country, then the camera panned out to show all these people talking in "tv squares" to form a mosaic of the famous Obama poster.

I wonder how philantropy those celebs are actually doing.

ChumpDumper
09-23-2009, 12:42 PM
I remember shortly after Obama won, I saw a viral in which Ashton Kutcher and serveral other celebrities would talk to the camera as to what "pledge" they were making to help the country, then the camera panned out to show all these people talking in "tv squares" to form a mosaic of the famous Obama poster.

I wonder how philantropy those celebs are actually doing.If you are really wondering, I bet you could look them up.

But you won't.

hope4dopes
09-23-2009, 12:59 PM
Now the college kids are starting to get their real education.

DarkReign
09-23-2009, 01:11 PM
Now the college kids are starting to get their real education.

Yup, that your vote doesnt mean shit and the less you know and care, the easier and happier your life becomes.

Life sucks, get a helmet.

rjv
09-23-2009, 01:23 PM
of course, if not for the idealism of kids, the color of the canvas would be pissed off and grumpy at everything there is.

hope4dopes
09-23-2009, 01:31 PM
Yup, that your vote doesnt mean shit and the less you know and care, the easier and happier your life becomes.

Life sucks, get a helmet.

I don't think life sucks....but that helmet is for reals.

hope4dopes
09-23-2009, 01:32 PM
of course, if not for the idealism of kids, the color of the canvas would be pissed off and grumpy at everything there is.

Idealisim...... I thought that was hubris and niavette.

NoOptionB
09-23-2009, 01:42 PM
I'm sooooo Raging against the Machine brah!

hope4dopes
09-23-2009, 01:46 PM
I'm sooooo Raging against the Machine brah! Narnar powpow brohan....let's go down to the vanity microbrewery and strategerize our peoples revolution.

rjv
09-23-2009, 01:47 PM
Idealisim...... I thought that was hubris and niavette.

if you want to go by connotations of modern day colloquialisms maybe.

i was thinking of people like kant when i said idealism.

balli
09-23-2009, 01:48 PM
The AP isn't lamenting anything you moronic fuck. But don't let reason stop you from playing the victim at the hands of the big bad media DarrinS.

balli
09-23-2009, 01:49 PM
double post.

hope4dopes
09-23-2009, 01:53 PM
if you want to go by connotations of modern day colloquialisms maybe.

i was thinking of people like kant when i said idealism. Yeah well I don't think there's alot of them running around our Universities.Nowdays idealisim can be consumed in less time than a sound bite and has a corprate logo. "hope and change" "buy my green doo hickey and save the planet"

DarrinS
09-23-2009, 01:58 PM
double post.

Are you out of pot?

rjv
09-23-2009, 01:59 PM
Yeah well I don't think there's alot of them running around our Universities.Nowdays idealisim can be consumed in less time than a sound bite and has a corprate logo. "hope and change" "buy my green doo hickey and save the planet"

no doubt, the more naive students are exploited but there is a decent amount of smarter students out there as well.

i just think that campaigns treat youth the same way the military does. both take advantage of the loyalties and zeal of that age group.

balli
09-23-2009, 02:02 PM
Are you out of pot?
No. It's called a glitch in the internet connection. But again, don't let basic reason fuck with your incredibly stupid assumptions.

DarrinS
09-23-2009, 02:07 PM
No. It's called a glitch in the internet connection. But again, don't let basic reason fuck with your incredibly stupid assumptions.

boutons? That you?

hope4dopes
09-23-2009, 02:09 PM
no doubt, the more naive students are exploited but there is a decent amount of smarter students out there as well.

i just think that campaigns treat youth the same way the military does. both take advantage of the loyalties and zeal of that age group. I think it's an adolcent arrogance, I think the Marketing campaigns idolize youth because they are the most gullible group,and they have lost what in traditional cultures ours and others, would have been brake stops.
They believe their own hype and haven't learned yet their limitations,like all children, and that's why Obama targeted them.

clambake
09-23-2009, 02:13 PM
I think it's an adolcent arrogance, I think the Marketing campaigns idolize youth because they are the most gullible group,and they have lost what in traditional cultures ours and others, would have been brake stops.
They believe their own hype and haven't learned yet their limitations,like all children, and that's why Obama targeted them.

micca, you can thank bush for the young vote.

we do.

hope4dopes
09-23-2009, 02:15 PM
micca, you can thank bush for the young vote.

we do. Clambake.........a case in point.Please continue clambake.

rjv
09-23-2009, 02:17 PM
I think it's an adolcent arrogance, I think the Marketing campaigns idolize youth because they are the most gullible group,and they have lost what in traditional cultures ours and others, would have been brake stops.
They believe their own hype and haven't learned yet their limitations,like all children, and that's why Obama targeted them.


not sure the gist of this point. they are not familiar with their boundaries and yet they are the most gullible? wouldn't one more set in their ways be a more gullible target? that is, a die hard republican or democrat believing in the party line because that is the way. isn't this what limitations do to judgement ?

SpurNation
09-23-2009, 02:18 PM
and inevitably most youth transition into becoming greedy bastards down the road. :p:

Profound.

IMO...In genreal...

Our youth (1 -16) are taught to be open...respectful (though not as much these days)...obey laws...follow the lead of an adult/teacher.

From about 15 - 24 (higher education years)...they seem to take on individual goals with the same enthusiasm of their youth.

Around 21 - 45...get caught up in personal needs and start loosing ability to embrace anything foreign that will harm what they have built upon from the last age range.

40 - retirement...Have learned through either experience or personal gain that anything different than what got them to this point is bullshit.

After retirement...either depend on government assistance just to survive or have accumulated enough wealth to do what they want.

The youth will follow anything that leads them to believe we're all in this together until realizing it's really all about the self in order to achieve one's goal or philosophy.

Self preservation always ends up taking over any political ideal. Unless you become chained to the government and forced to live by obsolescent control.

clambake
09-23-2009, 02:20 PM
Clambake.........a case in point.Please continue clambake.

i'll explain it to you, micca.

you can thank bush for the election results.

you don't have to look any further.

rjv
09-23-2009, 02:21 PM
Profound.

IMO...In genreal...

Our youth (1 -16) are taught to be open...respectful (though not as much these days)...obey laws...follow the lead of an adult/teacher.

From about 15 - 24 (higher education years)...they seem to take on individual goals with the same enthusiasm of their youth.

Around 21 - 45...get caught up in personal needs and start loosing ability to embrace anything foreign that will harm what they have built upon from the last age range.

40 - retirement...Have learned through either experience or personal gain that anything different than what got them to this point is bullshit.

After retirement...either depend on government assistance just to survive or have accumulated enough wealth to do what they want.

The youth will follow anything that leads them to believe we're all in this together until realizing it's really all about the self in order to achieve one's goal or philosophy.

Self preservation always ends up taking over any political ideal. Unless you become chained to the government and forced to live by obsolescent control.

that is a damn good summation, and unfortunately, pretty damn accurate as well. i would add that is not just the government one can become subservient to. you can add the corporate infrastructure to that premise as well.

coyotes_geek
09-23-2009, 02:22 PM
Nowdays idealisim can be consumed in less time than a sound bite and has a corprate logo. "hope and change" "buy my green doo hickey and save the planet"

I think there's an app for that..........

SpurNation
09-23-2009, 02:28 PM
i'll explain it to you, micca.

you can thank bush for the election results.

you don't have to look any further.

Yep. The youth (as gullible as they can be) and tired of the same old story of a president enthralled in war...were more than happy to choose a person based on youthful promise rather than absolute ability.

Most youth don't have an attention span longer than what gets them to the next level of a video game. And most sure don't have life's experience to help shape their decisions. So Obama presented the perfect solution in their minds...he made it sound that it would be easy.

clambake
09-23-2009, 02:30 PM
Yep. The youth (as gullible as they can be) and tired of the same old story of a president enthralled in war...were more than happy to choose a person based on youthful promise rather than absolute ability.

Most youth don't have an attention span longer than what gets them to the next level of a video game. And most sure don't have life's experience to help shape their decisions. So Obama presented the perfect solution in their minds...he made it sound that it would be easy.

why do you guys give him so much credit?

he really didn't have to do anything.

hope4dopes
09-23-2009, 02:31 PM
not sure the gist of this point. they are not familiar with their boundaries and yet they are the most gullible? wouldn't one more set in their ways be a more gullible target? that is, a die hard republican or democrat believing in the party line because that is the way. isn't this what limitations do to judgement ?

Nope, once you've been around long enough to have bought enough shiny trinkets from both stores and found out they're just junk, you stop buying shiny junk trinkets, and look for shit that's got quality.

hope4dopes
09-23-2009, 02:32 PM
why do you guys give him so much credit?

he really didn't have to do anything. because he can walk on water.

clambake
09-23-2009, 02:36 PM
silly micca. can't admit to his party's failures.

SpurNation
09-23-2009, 02:39 PM
why do you guys give him so much credit?

he really didn't have to do anything.

Honestly...he hasn't done anything credible yet. And I think that's why the youth movement may be deminishing. Youth wants things to happen now.

Government as in life takes time.

IMO...Obama has some great talking points and ideals. Maybe actual experience will teach him that narscistic and control means of achieving those goals are not the way to succeed.

rjv
09-23-2009, 02:40 PM
Nope, once you've been around long enough to have bought enough shiny trinkets from both stores and found out they're just junk, you stop buying shiny junk trinkets, and look for shit that's got quality.

if that were the case why is it that the older people still vote much more often than the younger ones do? older people had about a 20 % percent better voting rate than younger ones in this last election ( and the biggest reason that younger voters rate went up was because younger blacks and hispanics voted in much larger numbers this past election).

rjv
09-23-2009, 02:41 PM
Yep. The youth (as gullible as they can be) and tired of the same old story of a president enthralled in war...were more than happy to choose a person based on youthful promise rather than absolute ability.

Most youth don't have an attention span longer than what gets them to the next level of a video game. And most sure don't have life's experience to help shape their decisions. So Obama presented the perfect solution in their minds...he made it sound that it would be easy.

the question is: why would experienced voters also make the same choices ?

hope4dopes
09-23-2009, 02:42 PM
silly micca. can't admit to his party's failures. Sorry to disappoint...but I'm not a republican,You might want to wrap your head around the idea there's people from all spectrums that don't like your jug eared thug.

clambake
09-23-2009, 02:44 PM
Sorry to disappoint...but I'm not a republican,You might want to wrap your head around the idea there's people from all spectrums that don't like your jug eared thug.

i have no expectations for you, micca, so don't be sorry.

clambake
09-23-2009, 02:48 PM
micca is the lone ranger, party of one, that has risen from the ashes 8 years later.

jack sommerset
09-23-2009, 02:48 PM
can't admit to his party's failures.

"And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

clambake
09-23-2009, 02:50 PM
"And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

"fool me once shame on you, fool me twice.....two times.....uh.....uh...well, huh huh don't fool me again"

hope4dopes
09-23-2009, 02:53 PM
the question is: why would experienced voters also make the same choices ?
I think because some people don't ever grow up.I knew a woman who told me once "people that don't ever have children in a way never really grow up"
Once I had a child I knew what she meant.
Other people have the wealth and or the influence to cushion them from the harsher realities of life, and for them it'" no worries mate"
And some just don't have the emotional maturity to extend themselves past caring for anything other than their appetities.
Also Obama was voted the single most liberal Senator in the Senate. Yet his campagin was run on the lie he was a centerist.alot of the people didn't take the time or trouble to educate themselves, and now we see alot of people really regreting their vote.

clambake
09-23-2009, 02:56 PM
you missed it again, micca.

voters knew what they didn't want.

hope4dopes
09-23-2009, 02:57 PM
Clambake here is an example of the youth vote ....sure she can yell loud,not afraid to make an ass out of herself.........a...real....ass, good at short slogans like beer slogans....attempts at being tragically hip.......doesn't bother her head with the boring drivel of old dead whitemen......and thinks she matters.

rjv
09-23-2009, 02:59 PM
I think because some people don't ever grow up.I knew a woman who told me once "people that don't ever have children in a way never really grow up"
Once I had a child I knew what she meant.
Other people have the wealth and or the influence to cushion them from the harsher realities of life, and for them it'" no worries mate"
And some just don't have the emotional maturity to extend themselves past caring for anything other than their appetities.
Also Obama was voted the single most liberal Senator in the Senate. Yet his campagin was run on the lie he was a centerist.alot of the people didn't take the time or trouble to educate themselves, and now we see alot of people really regreting their vote.

so then, youth really are not all the more gullible than older people are ?

clambake
09-23-2009, 03:01 PM
Clambake here is an example of the youth vote ....sure she can yell loud,not afraid to make an ass out of herself.........a...real....ass, good at short slogans like beer slogans....attempts at being tragically hip.......doesn't bother her head with the boring drivel of old dead whitemen......and thinks she matters.

..and she did matter...micca.

how did you manage to escape the peoples concerns for the last 8 years?

hope4dopes
09-23-2009, 03:03 PM
so then, youth really are not all the more gullible than older people are ? No I think most people leave home or the coccoon of their parents, and are not able to cushion themselves from the realities of life, and they mature, get the same education the Obama youth are getting now. I think that's most peoples experince.

clambake
09-23-2009, 03:05 PM
No I think most people leave home or the coccoon of their parents, and are not able to cushion themselves from the realities of life, and they mature, get the same education the Obama youth are getting now. I think that's most peoples experince.

you lost your train of thought....didn't you.

rjv
09-23-2009, 03:07 PM
No I think most people leave home or the coccoon of their parents, and are not able to cushion themselves from the realities of life, and they mature, get the same education the Obama youth are getting now. I think that's most peoples experince.

i see, and then only the priveleged few or intellectually superior ever leave this platonic cave and look down on the rest.

hope4dopes
09-23-2009, 03:12 PM
i see, and then only the priveleged few or intellectually superior ever leave this platonic cave and look down on the rest.

No I think you're missing the point.

LnGrrrR
09-23-2009, 03:21 PM
No I think you're missing the point.

He's getting the point; it's just a crappy point.

hope4dopes
09-23-2009, 03:30 PM
He's getting the point; it's just a crappy point. well you've brought to bear the full force of your intellect, and expressed it in the flower of it's eloquence...or in other words crawl back under your rock asshole.

SpurNation
09-23-2009, 03:33 PM
the question is: why would experienced voters also make the same choices ?

For the same reasons. Obama made it sound like he (and only he) could make all the changes people were hoping for regarding their personal desires.

Government don't happen that way...even in a partisan controlled congress because once (and it doesn't matter which party affiliation a congressperson was voted)...if their personal agenda is threatened by a bill..they will not support that bill.

You've got to admit...he is (Obama) a bit naive regarding how this all works though some of his views are honorable. That could be because he spent so much time campaigning for president during his brief stent as a Senator that he really didn't obtain the experience to actually get things done once in office. Bush had a crisis to focus upon. He did a pretty good job (though overboard) at addressing that crisis and keeping him in office.

We'll see. Americans for the most part aren't patient. Patience (lack there of) of the American people is the biggest reason a president won't get re-elected. And patience in this country is wearing very thin with regards to how things effect their lives personally.

Something else you can thank Bush for.

LnGrrrR
09-23-2009, 03:49 PM
well you've brought to bear the full force of your intellect, and expressed it in the flower of it's eloquence...or in other words crawl back under your rock asshole.

:lol

I figured you'd enjoy that post. :toast