About that Arctic ice disappearance

[DarrinS]

National Geographic in summer 2008:
(http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2008/06/080620-north-pole.html)



Arctic warming has become so dramatic that the North Pole may melt this summer, report scientists studying the effects of climate change in the field.

“We’re actually projecting this year that the North Pole may be free of ice for the first time [in history],” David Barber, of the University of Manitoba, told National Geographic News aboard the C.C.G.S. Amundsen, a Canadian research icebreaker. …

But this summer’s forecast—and unusual early melting events all around the Arctic—serve as a dire warning of how quickly the polar regions are being affected by climate change.






National Geographic this week: (http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2009/09/090921-arctic-sea-ice.html)





This year’s cooler-than-expected summer means the Arctic probably won’t experience ice-free summers until 2030 or 2040, scientists say.

Some models had previously predicted that the Arctic could be ice free in summer by as soon as 2013, due to rising temperatures from global warming.

[hope4dopes]

National Geographic in summer 2008:
(http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2008/06/080620-north-pole.html)






National Geographic this week: (http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2009/09/090921-arctic-sea-ice.html) Well that's really good news......well...for......some of us.

[LnGrrrR]

lol true there DarrinS... definitely self-pwnage by global warming scientists.

[boutons_deux]

yep, one data point totally refutes claims of global warming.

Another data point is that a Russian ship a couple weeks ago became the first ship in history to sail through the ice-free Arctic sea.

[nuclearfm]

Well that's really good news......well...for......some of us.

Please don't post on anything that requires some mental fortitude. We need to make America look good again.

[nuclearfm]

yep, one data point totally refutes claims of global warming.

Another data point is that a Russian ship a couple weeks ago became the first ship in history to sail through the ice-free Arctic sea.

This is where a conservative (pretend) nut job says Russia was shipping weapons on that ship.

[baseline bum]

Grinnell Glacier (from Glacier National Park in Montana)

1938
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e4/Grinnell_Glacier_1938.jpg/397px-Grinnell_Glacier_1938.jpg

1981
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/96/Grinnell_Glacier_1981.jpg/420px-Grinnell_Glacier_1981.jpg

1998
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f9/Grinnell_Glacier_1998.jpg/393px-Grinnell_Glacier_1998.jpg

2005
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/51/Grinnell_Glacier_2005.jpg/441px-Grinnell_Glacier_2005.jpg

But global warming is a lie perpetrated by liberals and athiests.

[TheProfessor]

Hey Darrin, I bet you're absolutely going to love this 2nd Circuit decision: http://lawoftheland.wordpress.com/2009/09/21/second-circuit-rules-public-nuisance-law-may-be-used-to-sue-for-injuries-from-global-warming/

Did I mention the deciding judges were Bush appointees?

[NoOptionB]

N.W.O. pushing hard using Global Warming to gain more control.

What a shame our president is on their side.

[DarrinS]

Hey Darrin, I bet you're absolutely going to love this 2nd Circuit decision: http://lawoftheland.wordpress.com/2009/09/21/second-circuit-rules-public-nuisance-law-may-be-used-to-sue-for-injuries-from-global-warming/

Did I mention the deciding judges were Bush appointees?


I wonder who the power companies will pass the costs along to?

[boutons_deux]

"power companies will pass the costs along to"

to consumers, of course.

So consumers start conserving electricity and mfrs start delivering products where minimized electrical consumption is a main selling point.

Same with gasoline, tax the hell out of it like in Europe and watch consumption go down, and demand for high-milage cars go way up.

[DarrinS]

But global warming is a lie perpetrated by liberals and athiests.


Nice photos of melting glaciers. They have been melting for a VERY long time.

I wonder what the rate of glacier retreat was pre-industrial vs post-inducstrial?

Actually, I know, but you might want to research it.

[DarrinS]

"power companies will pass the costs along to"

to consumers, of course.

So consumers start conserving electricity and mfrs start delivering products where minimized electrical consumption is a main selling point.

Same with gasoline, tax the hell out of it like in Europe and watch consumption go down, and demand for high-milage cars go way up.


All of your points are correct, I just don't want the govt to dictate what cars or TVs we own.

[nuclearfm]

Nice photos of melting glaciers. They have been melting for a VERY long time.

I wonder what the rate of glacier retreat was pre-industrial vs post-inducstrial?

Actually, I know, but you might want to research it.

You need a larger time scale to understand that. There are periods far in the past with current industrial green house gas levels.

I get a kick out of people who claim to know something, when they really don't.

Carry on. * grabs popcorn*

[DarrinS]

You need a larger time scale to understand that. There are periods far in the past with current industrial green house gas levels.

I get a kick out of people who claim to know something, when they really don't.

Carry on. * grabs popcorn*



There were actually periods much hotter than today with much higher CO2 concentrations, and yet, there wasn't out-of-control global warming. I wonder why not?

[baseline bum]

Nice photos of melting glaciers. They have been melting for a VERY long time.

I wonder what the rate of glacier retreat was pre-industrial vs post-inducstrial?

Actually, I know, but you might want to research it.

How very long? Don't pull a Wild Cobra here.

[baseline bum]

I get it. DarrinS is going to talk about how the whole world was covered in ice 1 billion years ago, and therefore, global warming is a hoax.

[SpurNation]

Things are not that simple and climate change isn't either. We simply don't know.

Edit; I hate to leave it at that.
The sun emitted a third less energy about 4 billion years ago and has been steadily brightening ever since. Yet for most of this time, Earth has been even warmer than today. Higher levels of greenhouse gases were present this long ago.

We don't know. Once again.

[nuclearfm]

^ my quote

[CubanSucks]

Time for WildCobra to school all you mothafuckas, and from what I've seen in the past, he's pretty ruthless in these global warming threads

[Wild Cobra]

Nice photos of melting glaciers. They have been melting for a VERY long time.

I wonder what the rate of glacier retreat was pre-industrial vs post-inducstrial?

Actually, I know, but you might want to research it.
No, he's happy basking in ignorance.

[Wild Cobra]

You need a larger time scale to understand that. There are periods far in the past with current industrial green house gas levels.

I get a kick out of people who claim to know something, when they really don't.

Carry on. * grabs popcorn*
You mean like the earths been warming for the last 15,000 years and probably will for the next 26,000, without our help?

[Wild Cobra]

Time for WildCobra to school all you mothafuckas, and from what I've seen in the past, he's pretty ruthless in these global warming threads
I wouldn't say ruthless. I just took the time to understand more of the geosciences than most people understand.

I laugh at climatologists. How often are meteorologists right about the weather? In some colleges, it only takes one more class to get a BS in climatology once you fill the requirements for a BS in meteorology!

[Alex Jones]

2007

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p55/RackTheMouse/2009.jpg

2009

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p55/RackTheMouse/2010.jpg

[baseline bum]

Time for WildCobra to school all you mothafuckas, and from what I've seen in the past, he's pretty ruthless in these global warming threads

If WildCobra knew shit then he'd publish and put it all to rest.

[angrydude]

If WildCobra knew shit then he'd publish and put it all to rest.

that's a whole lot of assumptions in one sentence.

[c@t]

Does global warming mean we won't have any chilling winters?

[coyotes_geek]

All you need to know about global warming is that like every other problem in life, giving more money to the government will fix it.

[baseline bum]

that's a whole lot of assumptions in one sentence.

If he's going to be a pretend scientist, then he should publish in a peer-reviewed journal instead of blinding with science a bunch of people who aren't experts in the field.