Does God exist?

[Sense]

ldHF6PFUukw

doubt it's been posted before.... I liked it.

[Trainwreck2100]

yeah this won't end well

[baseline bum]

Even I'm sick of arguing this question.

[Trainwreck2100]

Even I'm sick of arguing this question.

It's the same shit over and over evangelicals and atheists argue with the same fervor. And then pictures with motivational blocks are posted, and then name calling, and then nobody gives a shit anymore

[exstatic]

1 Unanswerable question asked
2 Believers saying things like a flower proves God exists
3 Non-believers saying things like the Titanic proves he doesn't exist
4 Believers proclaim some non-understandable plan
5 Lather, Rinse, Repeat

It's a silly argument or position because the existence of God can be neither proved nor disproved.

[23LeBronJames23]

Yes he exists read the bible!

[Sense]

yeah this won't end well
I know lol..
I just liked the video.

[MiamiHeat]

Yes, he exists. In my pants.

Any lady believers welcome to cume see for themselves.

[PixelPusher]

Xfqht0LEOWQ

[phyzik]

My take...

whatever power may be out there, Weather I believe in it or not, if it does exist it knows who and what kind of person I am.

I dont feel like I need to select a religion, I dont feel I need to go to one of it's millions of houses every Sunday and most of all I feel like every organized religion has it dead wrong.

If this supposed God does exist, it gave us free will and created us in it's own image. If it was so flawless than it would have known that it created a being that can create itself in its own image.

Religion is what keeps us at war with others. religion is what keeps us from advancing as a race. religion is the true devil and can solely be blamed for keeping Humans as a race seperated.

[E-1101]

The neat thing is , you will all finally find out when you die! :tu

[23LeBronJames23]

The neat thing is , you will all finally find out when you die! :tu

tru.

[sabar]

Tim Duncan does in fact exist.

[exstatic]

Yes he exists read the bible!
I did. It told me not to eat a cheeseburger or a lobster.

[Texas_Ranger]

Isn't Morgen Freeman god??

[s0ldEONs0ul]

The great debate - is there a higher power? The natural evidence can be redeeming, misleading or outright damning depending upon your perspective. Whether or not one does exist, it is hard to deny the beautiful and delicate balance our universe enjoys.

[JamStone]

Clear and simple answer: sometimes.

[hater]

better question: Do I exist? noone can answer that either.

[angel_luv]

Yes, God DOES exist.

Job 38
The LORD Speaks
1 Then the LORD answered Job out of the storm. He said:
2 "Who is this that darkens my counsel
with words without knowledge?
3 Brace yourself like a man;
I will question you,
and you shall answer me.
4 "Where were you when I laid the earth's foundation?
Tell me, if you understand.
5 Who marked off its dimensions? Surely you know!
Who stretched a measuring line across it?
6 On what were its footings set,
or who laid its cornerstone-
7 while the morning stars sang together
and all the angels [a] shouted for joy?
8 "Who shut up the sea behind doors
when it burst forth from the womb,
9 when I made the clouds its garment
and wrapped it in thick darkness,
10 when I fixed limits for it
and set its doors and bars in place,
11 when I said, 'This far you may come and no farther;
here is where your proud waves halt'?
12 "Have you ever given orders to the morning,
or shown the dawn its place,
13 that it might take the earth by the edges
and shake the wicked out of it?
14 The earth takes shape like clay under a seal;
its features stand out like those of a garment.
15 The wicked are denied their light,
and their upraised arm is broken.
16 "Have you journeyed to the springs of the sea
or walked in the recesses of the deep?
17 Have the gates of death been shown to you?
Have you seen the gates of the shadow of death ?
18 Have you comprehended the vast expanses of the earth?
Tell me, if you know all this.
19 "What is the way to the abode of light?
And where does darkness reside?
20 Can you take them to their places?
Do you know the paths to their dwellings?
21 Surely you know, for you were already born!
You have lived so many years!
22 "Have you entered the storehouses of the snow
or seen the storehouses of the hail,
23 which I reserve for times of trouble,
for days of war and battle?
24 What is the way to the place where the lightning is dispersed,
or the place where the east winds are scattered over the earth?
25 Who cuts a channel for the torrents of rain,
and a path for the thunderstorm,
26 to water a land where no man lives,
a desert with no one in it,
27 to satisfy a desolate wasteland
and make it sprout with grass?
28 Does the rain have a father?
Who fathers the drops of dew?
29 From whose womb comes the ice?
Who gives birth to the frost from the heavens
30 when the waters become hard as stone,
when the surface of the deep is frozen?
31 "Can you bind the beautiful [c] Pleiades?
Can you loose the cords of Orion?
32 Can you bring forth the constellations in their seasons [d]
or lead out the Bear [e] with its cubs?
33 Do you know the laws of the heavens?
Can you set up God's [f] dominion over the earth?
34 "Can you raise your voice to the clouds
and cover yourself with a flood of water?
35 Do you send the lightning bolts on their way?
Do they report to you, 'Here we are'?
36 Who endowed the heart [g] with wisdom
or gave understanding to the mind [h] ?
37 Who has the wisdom to count the clouds?
Who can tip over the water jars of the heavens
38 when the dust becomes hard
and the clods of earth stick together?
39 "Do you hunt the prey for the lioness
and satisfy the hunger of the lions
40 when they crouch in their dens
or lie in wait in a thicket?
41 Who provides food for the raven
when its young cry out to God
and wander about for lack of food?

[B]Job 39
1 "Do you know when the mountain goats give birth?
Do you watch when the doe bears her fawn?
2 Do you count the months till they bear?
Do you know the time they give birth?
3 They crouch down and bring forth their young;
their labor pains are ended.
4 Their young thrive and grow strong in the wilds;
they leave and do not return.
5 "Who let the wild donkey go free?
Who untied his ropes?
6 I gave him the wasteland as his home,
the salt flats as his habitat.
7 He laughs at the commotion in the town;
he does not hear a driver's shout.
8 He ranges the hills for his pasture
and searches for any green thing.
9 "Will the wild ox consent to serve you?
Will he stay by your manger at night?
10 Can you hold him to the furrow with a harness?
Will he till the valleys behind you?
11 Will you rely on him for his great strength?
Will you leave your heavy work to him?
12 Can you trust him to bring in your grain
and gather it to your threshing floor?
13 "The wings of the ostrich flap joyfully,
but they cannot compare with the pinions and feathers of the stork.
14 She lays her eggs on the ground
and lets them warm in the sand,
15 unmindful that a foot may crush them,
that some wild animal may trample them.
16 She treats her young harshly, as if they were not hers;
she cares not that her labor was in vain,
17 for God did not endow her with wisdom
or give her a share of good sense.
18 Yet when she spreads her feathers to run,
she laughs at horse and rider.
19 "Do you give the horse his strength
or clothe his neck with a flowing mane?
20 Do you make him leap like a locust,
striking terror with his proud snorting?
21 He paws fiercely, rejoicing in his strength,
and charges into the fray.
22 He laughs at fear, afraid of nothing;
he does not shy away from the sword.
23 The quiver rattles against his side,
along with the flashing spear and lance.
24 In frenzied excitement he eats up the ground;
he cannot stand still when the trumpet sounds.
25 At the blast of the trumpet he snorts, 'Aha!'
He catches the scent of battle from afar,
the shout of commanders and the battle cry.
26 "Does the hawk take flight by your wisdom
and spread his wings toward the south?
27 Does the eagle soar at your command
and build his nest on high?
28 He dwells on a cliff and stays there at night;
a rocky crag is his stronghold.
29 From there he seeks out his food;
his eyes detect it from afar.
30 His young ones feast on blood,
and where the slain are, there is he."


Job 40: 1-3

1 The LORD said to Job:
2 "Will the one who contends with the Almighty correct him?
Let him who accuses God answer him!"
Job 38
The LORD Speaks
1 Then the LORD answered Job out of the storm. He said:
2 "Who is this that darkens my counsel
with words without knowledge?
3 Brace yourself like a man;
I will question you,
and you shall answer me.
4 "Where were you when I laid the earth's foundation?
Tell me, if you understand.
5 Who marked off its dimensions? Surely you know!
Who stretched a measuring line across it?
6 On what were its footings set,
or who laid its cornerstone-
7 while the morning stars sang together
and all the angels [a] shouted for joy?
8 "Who shut up the sea behind doors
when it burst forth from the womb,
9 when I made the clouds its garment
and wrapped it in thick darkness,
10 when I fixed limits for it
and set its doors and bars in place,
11 when I said, 'This far you may come and no farther;
here is where your proud waves halt'?
12 "Have you ever given orders to the morning,
or shown the dawn its place,
13 that it might take the earth by the edges
and shake the wicked out of it?
14 The earth takes shape like clay under a seal;
its features stand out like those of a garment.
15 The wicked are denied their light,
and their upraised arm is broken.
16 "Have you journeyed to the springs of the sea
or walked in the recesses of the deep?
17 Have the gates of death been shown to you?
Have you seen the gates of the shadow of death [b] ?
18 Have you comprehended the vast expanses of the earth?
Tell me, if you know all this.
19 "What is the way to the abode of light?
And where does darkness reside?
20 Can you take them to their places?
Do you know the paths to their dwellings?
21 Surely you know, for you were already born!
You have lived so many years!
22 "Have you entered the storehouses of the snow
or seen the storehouses of the hail,
23 which I reserve for times of trouble,
for days of war and battle?
24 What is the way to the place where the lightning is dispersed,
or the place where the east winds are scattered over the earth?
25 Who cuts a channel for the torrents of rain,
and a path for the thunderstorm,
26 to water a land where no man lives,
a desert with no one in it,
27 to satisfy a desolate wasteland
and make it sprout with grass?
28 Does the rain have a father?
Who fathers the drops of dew?
29 From whose womb comes the ice?
Who gives birth to the frost from the heavens
30 when the waters become hard as stone,
when the surface of the deep is frozen?
31 "Can you bind the beautiful [c] Pleiades?
Can you loose the cords of Orion?
32 Can you bring forth the constellations in their seasons [d]
or lead out the Bear [e] with its cubs?
33 Do you know the laws of the heavens?
Can you set up God's [f] dominion over the earth?
34 "Can you raise your voice to the clouds
and cover yourself with a flood of water?
35 Do you send the lightning bolts on their way?
Do they report to you, 'Here we are'?
36 Who endowed the heart [g] with wisdom
or gave understanding to the mind [h] ?
37 Who has the wisdom to count the clouds?
Who can tip over the water jars of the heavens
38 when the dust becomes hard
and the clods of earth stick together?
39 "Do you hunt the prey for the lioness
and satisfy the hunger of the lions
40 when they crouch in their dens
or lie in wait in a thicket?
41 Who provides food for the raven
when its young cry out to God
and wander about for lack of food?
Job 39
1 "Do you know when the mountain goats give birth?
Do you watch when the doe bears her fawn?
2 Do you count the months till they bear?
Do you know the time they give birth?
3 They crouch down and bring forth their young;
their labor pains are ended.
4 Their young thrive and grow strong in the wilds;
they leave and do not return.
5 "Who let the wild donkey go free?
Who untied his ropes?
6 I gave him the wasteland as his home,
the salt flats as his habitat.
7 He laughs at the commotion in the town;
he does not hear a driver's shout.
8 He ranges the hills for his pasture
and searches for any green thing.
9 "Will the wild ox consent to serve you?
Will he stay by your manger at night?
10 Can you hold him to the furrow with a harness?
Will he till the valleys behind you?
11 Will you rely on him for his great strength?
Will you leave your heavy work to him?
12 Can you trust him to bring in your grain
and gather it to your threshing floor?
13 "The wings of the ostrich flap joyfully,
but they cannot compare with the pinions and feathers of the stork.
14 She lays her eggs on the ground
and lets them warm in the sand,
15 unmindful that a foot may crush them,
that some wild animal may trample them.
16 She treats her young harshly, as if they were not hers;
she cares not that her labor was in vain,
17 for God did not endow her with wisdom
or give her a share of good sense.
18 Yet when she spreads her feathers to run,
she laughs at horse and rider.
19 "Do you give the horse his strength
or clothe his neck with a flowing mane?
20 Do you make him leap like a locust,
striking terror with his proud snorting?
21 He paws fiercely, rejoicing in his strength,
and charges into the fray.
22 He laughs at fear, afraid of nothing;
he does not shy away from the sword.
23 The quiver rattles against his side,
along with the flashing spear and lance.
24 In frenzied excitement he eats up the ground;
he cannot stand still when the trumpet sounds.
25 At the blast of the trumpet he snorts, 'Aha!'
He catches the scent of battle from afar,
the shout of commanders and the battle cry.
26 "Does the hawk take flight by your wisdom
and spread his wings toward the south?
27 Does the eagle soar at your command
and build his nest on high?
28 He dwells on a cliff and stays there at night;
a rocky crag is his stronghold.
29 From there he seeks out his food;
his eyes detect it from afar.
30 His young ones feast on blood,
and where the slain are, there is he."


Job 40: 1-2

1 The LORD said to Job:
2 "Will the one who contends with the Almighty correct him?
Let him who accuses God answer him!"

Job 38
The LORD Speaks
1 Then the LORD answered Job out of the storm. He said:
2 "Who is this that darkens my counsel
with words without knowledge?
3 Brace yourself like a man;
I will question you,
and you shall answer me.
4 "Where were you when I laid the earth's foundation?
Tell me, if you understand.
5 Who marked off its dimensions? Surely you know!
Who stretched a measuring line across it?
6 On what were its footings set,
or who laid its cornerstone-
7 while the morning stars sang together
and all the angels [a] shouted for joy?
8 "Who shut up the sea behind doors
when it burst forth from the womb,
9 when I made the clouds its garment
and wrapped it in thick darkness,
10 when I fixed limits for it
and set its doors and bars in place,
11 when I said, 'This far you may come and no farther;
here is where your proud waves halt'?
12 "Have you ever given orders to the morning,
or shown the dawn its place,
13 that it might take the earth by the edges
and shake the wicked out of it?
14 The earth takes shape like clay under a seal;
its features stand out like those of a garment.
15 The wicked are denied their light,
and their upraised arm is broken.
16 "Have you journeyed to the springs of the sea
or walked in the recesses of the deep?
17 Have the gates of death been shown to you?
Have you seen the gates of the shadow of death [b] ?
18 Have you comprehended the vast expanses of the earth?
Tell me, if you know all this.
19 "What is the way to the abode of light?
And where does darkness reside?
20 Can you take them to their places?
Do you know the paths to their dwellings?
21 Surely you know, for you were already born!
You have lived so many years!
22 "Have you entered the storehouses of the snow
or seen the storehouses of the hail,
23 which I reserve for times of trouble,
for days of war and battle?
24 What is the way to the place where the lightning is dispersed,
or the place where the east winds are scattered over the earth?
25 Who cuts a channel for the torrents of rain,
and a path for the thunderstorm,
26 to water a land where no man lives,
a desert with no one in it,
27 to satisfy a desolate wasteland
and make it sprout with grass?
28 Does the rain have a father?
Who fathers the drops of dew?
29 From whose womb comes the ice?
Who gives birth to the frost from the heavens
30 when the waters become hard as stone,
when the surface of the deep is frozen?
31 "Can you bind the beautiful [c] Pleiades?
Can you loose the cords of Orion?
32 Can you bring forth the constellations in their seasons [d]
or lead out the Bear [e] with its cubs?
33 Do you know the laws of the heavens?
Can you set up God's [f] dominion over the earth?
34 "Can you raise your voice to the clouds
and cover yourself with a flood of water?
35 Do you send the lightning bolts on their way?
Do they report to you, 'Here we are'?
36 Who endowed the heart [g] with wisdom
or gave understanding to the mind [h] ?
37 Who has the wisdom to count the clouds?
Who can tip over the water jars of the heavens
38 when the dust becomes hard
and the clods of earth stick together?
39 "Do you hunt the prey for the lioness
and satisfy the hunger of the lions
40 when they crouch in their dens
or lie in wait in a thicket?
41 Who provides food for the raven
when its young cry out to God
and wander about for lack of food?
Job 39
1 "Do you know when the mountain goats give birth?
Do you watch when the doe bears her fawn?
2 Do you count the months till they bear?
Do you know the time they give birth?
3 They crouch down and bring forth their young;
their labor pains are ended.
4 Their young thrive and grow strong in the wilds;
they leave and do not return.
5 "Who let the wild donkey go free?
Who untied his ropes?
6 I gave him the wasteland as his home,
the salt flats as his habitat.
7 He laughs at the commotion in the town;
he does not hear a driver's shout.
8 He ranges the hills for his pasture
and searches for any green thing.
9 "Will the wild ox consent to serve you?
Will he stay by your manger at night?
10 Can you hold him to the furrow with a harness?
Will he till the valleys behind you?
11 Will you rely on him for his great strength?
Will you leave your heavy work to him?
12 Can you trust him to bring in your grain
and gather it to your threshing floor?
13 "The wings of the ostrich flap joyfully,
but they cannot compare with the pinions and feathers of the stork.
14 She lays her eggs on the ground
and lets them warm in the sand,
15 unmindful that a foot may crush them,
that some wild animal may trample them.
16 She treats her young harshly, as if they were not hers;
she cares not that her labor was in vain,
17 for God did not endow her with wisdom
or give her a share of good sense.
18 Yet when she spreads her feathers to run,
she laughs at horse and rider.
19 "Do you give the horse his strength
or clothe his neck with a flowing mane?
20 Do you make him leap like a locust,
striking terror with his proud snorting?
21 He paws fiercely, rejoicing in his strength,
and charges into the fray.
22 He laughs at fear, afraid of nothing;
he does not shy away from the sword.
23 The quiver rattles against his side,
along with the flashing spear and lance.
24 In frenzied excitement he eats up the ground;
he cannot stand still when the trumpet sounds.
25 At the blast of the trumpet he snorts, 'Aha!'
He catches the scent of battle from afar,
the shout of commanders and the battle cry.
26 "Does the hawk take flight by your wisdom
and spread his wings toward the south?
27 Does the eagle soar at your command
and build his nest on high?
28 He dwells on a cliff and stays there at night;
a rocky crag is his stronghold.
29 From there he seeks out his food;
his eyes detect it from afar.
30 His young ones feast on blood,
and where the slain are, there is he."


Job 40: 1-5

1 The LORD said to Job:
2 "Will the one who contends with the Almighty correct him?
Let him who accuses God answer him!"
3 Then Job answered the LORD :

4 "I am unworthy—how can I reply to you?
I put my hand over my mouth.

5 I spoke once, but I have no answer—
twice, but I will say no more."

[clambake]

who can tip over the water jars of the heavens...lol

[Wild Cobra]

ldHF6PFUukw

doubt it's been posted before.... I liked it.
That is a cool video.

[manufan10]

that is a cool video.

+1

[Wild Cobra]

Yes he exists read the bible!
First of all, God in the Bible is generally derived from a plural form.

God does not necessarily mean Jehovah.

God could be an alien.

We just don't know. People of faith may be right or wrong.

All I know, is that God's presence of earth is real due the the multi-cultural historical similarities. Question is, were the God's advance humans, aliens, or some true divine being.

[benefactor]

People who post scripture on an internet forum to prove God exists prove nothing. They come across as just another annoying Christian.

And BTW...God does exist. I know. I have been touched by his noodly appendage.

[phxspurfan]

I'm pretty sure large portions of the Bible were written by Europeans, etc. in medieval times to preserve the idea of the "Holy King." But that's just my opinion.

[tlongII]

Actually I believe some of the bible was derived from works written by Homer in the Iliad and Odyssey.

[benefactor]

The funny thing is that I am actually a Christian...but I am not going to post scriptures on here and expect others to accept it. Me trying to convince people that God exists is like me trying to convince people I turn into Wolverine when no one is around.

[angel_luv]

The funny thing is that I am actually a Christian...but I am not going to post scriptures on here and expect others to accept it. Me trying to convince people that God exists is like me trying to convince people I turn into Wolverine when no one is around.

I would rather try to win people over and fail at it than to not try at all.

But that is just me.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

Yes.








Next.


:cooldevil

[benefactor]

I would rather try to win people over and fail at it than to not try at all.

But that is just me.
Win people over? Jesus...please save us from your followers.

[phxspurfan]

So Angel, I have a serious question. For how long do you have to accept Christ as your savior before death for it to be legit? I mean, don't criminals who kill people do this and still get forgiven at the 11th hour?

And does that make that convicted criminal more forgiveable than, say, someone in a tribe in Africa who has worked to support his family his entire life, without ever having been exposed to the Bible or teachings of Christ?

I'm not trying to attack semantics or anything, just wondering what your thoughts are as a Christian. Is something like this even open to interpretation?

[angel_luv]

So Angel, I have a serious question. For how long do you have to accept Christ as your savior before death for it to be legit? I mean, don't criminals who kill people do this and still get forgiven at the 11th hour?

And does that make that convicted criminal more forgiveable than, say, someone in a tribe in Africa who has worked to support his family his entire life, without ever having been exposed to the Bible or teachings of Christ?

I'm not trying to attack semantics or anything, just wondering what your thoughts are as a Christian. Is something like this even open to interpretation?

The Bible teaches that if confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved."
( Romans 10:9-10)

The thief crucified along side Jesus made such a confession as they were dying and Jesus promised the thief that the theif would go to Paradise.
( Luke 23:38-34)

I believe that the instant you confess with your mouth Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised Jesus from the dead, that you are saved.

And I believe the opporuntity to do this is available to people so long their is life in their mortal body.

I also believe that there is no sin greater than any other.
The Bible teaches that the wages of sin is death. ( Romans 6:23)

It does not say that one sin is more of less heinous than other. It says that the wages of sin ( all sin) is death.

The rest of the verse ( Romans 6:23) says that the gift of God is eternal life.
Again, their is not limit on who this gift is available to.

I believe that ANYONE who desires to be saved will be saved, if they put their trust in Jesus.


John 3:16- For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son that WHOEVER believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life.

I hope this answers your question. :)

[phxspurfan]

The Bible teaches that if confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved."
( Romans 10:9-10)

The thief crucified along side Jesus made such a confession as they were dying and Jesus promised the thief that the theif would go to Paradise.
( Luke 23:38-34)

I believe that the instant you confess with your mouth Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised Jesus from the dead, that you are saved.

And I believe the opporuntity to do this is available to people so long their is life in their mortal body.

I also believe that there is no sin greater than any other.
The Bible teaches that the wages of sin is death. ( Romans 6:23)

It does not say that one sin is more of less heinous than other. It says that the wages of sin ( all sin) is death.

The rest of the verse ( Romans 6:23) says that the gift of God is eternal life.
Again, their is not limit on who this gift is available to.

I believe that ANYONE who desires to be saved will be saved, if they put their trust in Jesus.


John 3:16- For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son that WHOEVER believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life.

I hope this answers your question. :)



Thanks! Yes it answers a lot of my questions that I didn't understand about salvation. The one that remains is what happens to those who for whatever reason (oppressive government, remote regions of the world) cannot or never know of Christ? Are they just out of luck?

[tlongII]

Actually I believe some of the bible was derived from works written by Homer in the Iliad and Odyssey.

Mostly Iliad though. The similarities are striking.

[nkdlunch]

does the internet exist?

[Wild Cobra]

I'm pretty sure large portions of the Bible were written by Europeans, etc. in medieval times to preserve the idea of the "Holy King." But that's just my opinion.
We are in agreement I think. Religion was been used to control people. The King James version of the Bible is no exception. Later English versions deviate very little in fear of being too different from historical accepted thoughts. I wish more people of Christian faith would learn more of the Bible in it's Hebrew, Chaldean, and Greek form.

There is nothing in conflict between the Bible in it's original form, and science!

[Wild Cobra]

I would rather try to win people over and fail at it than to not try at all.

But that is just me.
Angel, have you ever studied parts of the Torah in Hebrew and Chaldean? Most Christians are locked into the teachings of false profits. Hope you aren't one of them.

[phxspurfan]

We are in agreement I think. Religion was been used to control people. The King James version of the Bible is no exception. Later English versions deviate very little in fear of being too different from historical accepted thoughts. I wish more people of Christian faith would learn more of the Bible in it's Hebrew, Chaldean, and Greek form.

There is nothing in conflict between the Bible in it's original form, and science!

I think it would be hard to agree totally with me as I don't really know what to think yet anyway. All I know is my grandparents would be upset if they saw me challenging or exploring things like this and would make me pray to the rosary every night if I lived with them.

[Wild Cobra]

Thanks! Yes it answers a lot of my questions that I didn't understand about salvation. The one that remains is what happens to those who for whatever reason (oppressive government, remote regions of the world) cannot or never know of Christ? Are they just out of luck?
I don't believe as Angel does. She offers one path. I believe the key is to be pure at heart. Something very difficult for any of us to achieve. At the moment, if you accept Christ, at that point, you are pure. Only for those moments, because even with Christians, they don't maintain that purity.

The English version of the Bible is contradictory. "I am the only God," yet in Genesis 6, "The sons of God found the daughters of man to be beautiful and took them as wives..."

[Wild Cobra]

does the internet exist?
Sure it does.

On "The Thirteenth Floor (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0139809/)."

[nuclearfm]

I think that it's ironic that they used Albert Einstein. He bashed organized religion as much as he praised it.

[angel_luv]

Thanks! Yes it answers a lot of my questions that I didn't understand about salvation. The one that remains is what happens to those who for whatever reason (oppressive government, remote regions of the world) cannot or never know of Christ? Are they just out of luck?

I believe that Jesus speaks to every heart throughout the course of every person's life. I believe that God makes sure that every person has opportunity to be saved.

Believing in the Bible does require faith and as such, I do not have answers for everything. But I know that Jesus loves you ( and everybody) and you can be certain He will always lead you in the right direction and in a way that you will know it is Him.

I have followed Jesus since childhood and so speak from my wonderful experience.

[mouse]

I learned to avoid defending religion or convincing others to save their souls. To many Christians make God and themselves look bad. They come across like they are better than you while engaging in some of the same daily activities as the sinners they talk down too.

I also don't like when a Christian goes on a game show like Big brother or Amazing race and keep saying shit like "I don't worry! God will help me win!"

I hate when a wife of a lost mountain climber tells the media her husband is ok because God is watching over him. If God was really watching over him he would have kept his ass off the mountain in the first place.

I don't think the earth is billions of years old and I don't think the Bible is really 100% accurate, I do feel there may be some outside force responsible for us being here. If there is a God I don't blame him for letting all this shit happen. After all he did his part by putting us here with water air and food its our dumb ass fault for fucking everything up.

If their is a God and he was to get involve in our lives where does he draw the line? why would he let a 11 year old girl die from Cancer and a small child get killed by a rapist and yet stop what he is doing to help some guy find his lost dog?

The problem with people they want everything to go smooth, if not then there is no God.
personally I don't give a rats ass if you pray to Satan or you sleep in John 3:16 PJs at night. Just don't tell me what should or should not be said in school, take out God and take out evolution let the kids find that shit out on there own. If not then allow both but don't be so one sided on every issue.


Lets say there is a God!
You really think with all the bullshit God allows to happen on a daily basis he is just going to say "I know I made a promise I wouldn't get involve in all that happens on the earth but Janet on the Amazing race is lost,She needs me, I better help her or she may get eliminated form the game. Oh and by the way Angel_luv just sent me another prayer request, I better stop what I am doing and go help Back2Basics with his camper deal!

I will only say what I do know for sure and you can take this as a religious experience or a science phenomenon, but I know for a fact we all have a spirit inside us I found out one night the hard way. true story if you ever want to know.......so keep that in mind when your telling God to fuck off each day.



if there is a God..............

[tlongII]

I believe the earth is between 4 and 5 billion years old. And I believe in evolution. The evidence that supports these theories is overwhelming.

[clambake]

I learned to avoid defending religion or convincing others to save their souls. To many Christians make God and themselves look bad. They come across like they are better than you while engaging in some of the same daily activities as the sinners they talk down too.

I also don't like when a Christian goes on a game show like Big brother or Amazing race and keep saying shit like "I don't worry! God will help me win!"

I hate when a wife of a lost mountain climber tells the media her husband is ok because God is watching over him. If God was really watching over him he would have kept his ass off the mountain in the first place.

I don't think the earth is billions of years old and I don't think the Bible is really 100% accurate, I do feel there may be some outside force responsible for us being here. If there is a God I don't blame him for letting all this shit happen. After all he did his part by putting us here with water air and food its our dumb ass fault for fucking everything up.

If their is a God and he was to get involve in our lives where does he draw the line? why would he let a 11 year old girl die from Cancer and a small child get killed by a rapist and yet stop what he is doing to help some guy find his lost dog?

The problem with people they want everything to go smooth, if not then there is no God.
personally I don't give a rats ass if you pray to Satan or you sleep in John 3:16 PJs at night. Just don't tell me what should or should not be said in school, take out God and take out evolution let the kids find that shit out on there own. If not then allow both but don't be so one sided on every issue.


Lets say there is a God!
You really think with all the bullshit God allows to happen on a daily basis he is just going to say "I know I made a promise I wouldn't get involve in all that happens on the earth but Janet on the Amazing race is lost,She needs me, I better help her or she may get eliminated form the game. Oh and by the way Angel_luv just sent me another prayer request, I better stop what I am doing and go help Back2Basics with his camper deal!

I will only say what I do know for sure and you can take this as a religious experience or a science phenomenon, but I know for a fact we all have a spirit inside us I found out one night the hard way. true story if you ever want to know.......so keep that in mind when your telling God to fuck off each day.



if there is a God..............
we want to know.

now......don't leave out any drug an alcohol combinations.

[phxspurfan]

I believe the earth is between 4 and 5 billion years old. And I believe in evolution. The evidence that supports these theories is overwhelming.

I used to date Carbon isotopes.












But they never called me back! :guin :guin :guin

[sonic21]

I must say that in a few countries, religion is taken to litteraly and the way it's mixed with politics is just wrong.

And i'm part of a religious family.

[mouse]

I believe the earth is between 4 and 5 billion years old. And I believe in evolution.

As an occupant of planet earth you have that option.



The evidence that supports these theories is overwhelming.

Don't confuse books and web links with real evidence.

[mouse]

we want to know.

really it's only you that wants to know. But that s cool.


now......don't leave out any drug an alcohol combinations.

I was in the Army it was during basic training no booze or drugs involved.

[BacktoBasics]

Could there be some outer worldly power. Yes its possible. Can't discount a possibility of that.

I don't give an ounce of credibility to god/jesus/organized religion as society understands it. Too much of this fantasy is wrapped up and shaped around fiction. It spends more time contradicting itself than it does agreeing. Then of course the lack of proof vs. faith. Proof trumps 99.9% of this world in all aspects of life. For most people the lack of proof partnered with all the hippocratic preaching is enough to say "yeah this is all a load of horseshit".

With the exception being, surprise...faith. Faith trumps proof, always will, no matter whats on the table.

The argument will likely endure for all existence.

[CuckingFunt]

Again?

[Dr. Gonzo]

Again?

It's been a while since the last one. I think it was due.

[Jeff Probst]

It depends on what you think a God really is.

[BacktoBasics]

We have to have at least one of these a week.

[exstatic]

Yes, God DOES exist.
...the whole Bible reprinted...


None of which proves that God exists. If you could prove that, there would be no need for faith.

[sonic21]

but what is God's religion?

[baseline bum]

but what is God's religion?

I heard he's a Pastafarian.

[exstatic]

but what is God's religion?

If there is a God, I'd love it if he were off the mainstream, something like Buddhist or Taoist.

[exstatic]

I heard he's a Pastafarian.

The Great Flying Spaghetti Monster?

[Wild Cobra]

I used to date Carbon isotopes.
Carbon's not used to date things that old.

How old were the hags you were trying for?

[spurspf]

By reading the bible I could see the transitional fossils, could't see a burning bush though. Hey, if anybody can see any proof of miracles let me know. So I can believe, halelujja. Any idiot, just by looking at rocks can see that the earth is older than 5000 years old. Angel, if you look at it historically, there is an older Christ than Christ. He performed the same things, just didnt't have the same ads.

[Leetonidas]

The simple short answer is no, there is no God. God is just an invention of the scared human being's subconscious mind made to help us cope with that the fact that our lives are ultimately meaningless by convincing ourselves we're part of something bigger than ourselves.

[monosylab1k]

The simple short answer is no, there is no God. God is just an invention of the scared human being's subconscious mind made to help us cope with that the fact that our lives are ultimately meaningless by convincing ourselves we're part of something bigger than ourselves.

:lmao someone's gotten really good at cut n' paste.

[Leetonidas]

Actually I just typed that. Just because you're not smart enough to think of something like that, not that it's even that amazing or anything, really is sad.

Fuck God.

[NoOptionB]

Everything man imagines eventually becomes reality.

Man imagines a God. Something exists.


Marcus Aurelius owns all of you asshole atheists (agnostic here):

Live a good life. If there are gods and they are just, then they will not care how devout you have been, but will welcome you based on the virtues you have lived by. If there are gods, but unjust, then you should not want to worship them. If there are no gods, then you will be gone, but will have lived a noble life that will live on in the memories of your loved ones."

[monosylab1k]

Just because you're not smart enough to think of something like that

:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao :lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

Oh man, that sent me over the edge. This has been a fun SpursTalk afternoon.

[monosylab1k]

by convincing ourselves we're part of something bigger than ourselves.

Allow myself to introduce myself.

[benefactor]

I learned to avoid defending religion or convincing others to save their souls. To many Christians make God and themselves look bad. They come across like they are better than you while engaging in some of the same daily activities as the sinners they talk down too.

I also don't like when a Christian goes on a game show like Big brother or Amazing race and keep saying shit like "I don't worry! God will help me win!"

I hate when a wife of a lost mountain climber tells the media her husband is ok because God is watching over him. If God was really watching over him he would have kept his ass off the mountain in the first place.

I don't think the earth is billions of years old and I don't think the Bible is really 100% accurate, I do feel there may be some outside force responsible for us being here. If there is a God I don't blame him for letting all this shit happen. After all he did his part by putting us here with water air and food its our dumb ass fault for fucking everything up.

If their is a God and he was to get involve in our lives where does he draw the line? why would he let a 11 year old girl die from Cancer and a small child get killed by a rapist and yet stop what he is doing to help some guy find his lost dog?

The problem with people they want everything to go smooth, if not then there is no God.
personally I don't give a rats ass if you pray to Satan or you sleep in John 3:16 PJs at night. Just don't tell me what should or should not be said in school, take out God and take out evolution let the kids find that shit out on there own. If not then allow both but don't be so one sided on every issue.


Lets say there is a God!
You really think with all the bullshit God allows to happen on a daily basis he is just going to say "I know I made a promise I wouldn't get involve in all that happens on the earth but Janet on the Amazing race is lost,She needs me, I better help her or she may get eliminated form the game. Oh and by the way Angel_luv just sent me another prayer request, I better stop what I am doing and go help Back2Basics with his camper deal!

I will only say what I do know for sure and you can take this as a religious experience or a science phenomenon, but I know for a fact we all have a spirit inside us I found out one night the hard way. true story if you ever want to know.......so keep that in mind when your telling God to fuck off each day.



if there is a God..............
This is an answer I can appreciate. I watch Amazing Race too...and I just rolled my eyes when I saw the team talking about God helping them through the race. I think that team was the same one that bragged about being sexually pure. Hell, you might as well get on TV and say, "Look how much better I am than you. I don't have sex like you heathens do." Those type of people make me want to stop using the term "Christian" to describe myself, just so I am not mistaken for someone like that.

Your statements are very honest and I too struggle with these things. Working in the mental health field brings these same questions to my mind. Someone doesn't choose to be bipolar or schizophrenic. Many of them are like that from birth and deal with their whole lives. I try to take comfort in knowing that this life is very short...and the eternal peace they will have beyond this will erase every memory of their time here.

It's never a surprise to me how many people hate Christians because if the way they are. It is almost ironic because it was never was that way with Jesus. The only people that hated him were the religious people...everyone else wanted to be around him. He met people where they were and loved them regardless of who they were. When people were drinking and having a good time at the wedding...he didn't condemn the people...he made more wine. What is even cooler about that story is that he did not take the credit for making the wine. He let the bridegroom have the credit and saved him from the embarrassment of having to tell his guests that the wine had run out.

God says there are two commandments that cover everything...love God with all your heart, mind and soul and loving your neighbor as yourself. The problem with modern evangelicals is that they would rather spend time putting stipulations on that love instead of practicing it.

[NZ Spurs]

I believe the earth is between 4 and 5 billion years old. And I believe in evolution. The evidence that supports these theories is overwhelming.

Amen!

[Heath Ledger]

Still reading that fictitious book? It has a whole bunch of interesting fairy tales in it. I'll give you that.

Thats cute cuz you probably still believe in Santa and the Tooth Fairy too.




Yes, God DOES exist.

Job 38
The LORD Speaks
1 Then the LORD answered Job out of the storm. He said:
2 "Who is this that darkens my counsel
with words without knowledge?
3 Brace yourself like a man;
I will question you,
and you shall answer me.
4 "Where were you when I laid the earth's foundation?
Tell me, if you understand.
5 Who marked off its dimensions? Surely you know!
Who stretched a measuring line across it?
6 On what were its footings set,
or who laid its cornerstone-
7 while the morning stars sang together
and all the angels [a] shouted for joy?
8 "Who shut up the sea behind doors
when it burst forth from the womb,
9 when I made the clouds its garment
and wrapped it in thick darkness,
10 when I fixed limits for it
and set its doors and bars in place,
11 when I said, 'This far you may come and no farther;
here is where your proud waves halt'?
12 "Have you ever given orders to the morning,
or shown the dawn its place,
13 that it might take the earth by the edges
and shake the wicked out of it?
14 The earth takes shape like clay under a seal;
its features stand out like those of a garment.
15 The wicked are denied their light,
and their upraised arm is broken.
16 "Have you journeyed to the springs of the sea
or walked in the recesses of the deep?
17 Have the gates of death been shown to you?
Have you seen the gates of the shadow of death ?
18 Have you comprehended the vast expanses of the earth?
Tell me, if you know all this.
19 "What is the way to the abode of light?
And where does darkness reside?
20 Can you take them to their places?
Do you know the paths to their dwellings?
21 Surely you know, for you were already born!
You have lived so many years!
22 "Have you entered the storehouses of the snow
or seen the storehouses of the hail,
23 which I reserve for times of trouble,
for days of war and battle?
24 What is the way to the place where the lightning is dispersed,
or the place where the east winds are scattered over the earth?
25 Who cuts a channel for the torrents of rain,
and a path for the thunderstorm,
26 to water a land where no man lives,
a desert with no one in it,
27 to satisfy a desolate wasteland
and make it sprout with grass?
28 Does the rain have a father?
Who fathers the drops of dew?
29 From whose womb comes the ice?
Who gives birth to the frost from the heavens
30 when the waters become hard as stone,
when the surface of the deep is frozen?
31 "Can you bind the beautiful [c] Pleiades?
Can you loose the cords of Orion?
32 Can you bring forth the constellations in their seasons [d]
or lead out the Bear [e] with its cubs?
33 Do you know the laws of the heavens?
Can you set up God's [f] dominion over the earth?
34 "Can you raise your voice to the clouds
and cover yourself with a flood of water?
35 Do you send the lightning bolts on their way?
Do they report to you, 'Here we are'?
36 Who endowed the heart [g] with wisdom
or gave understanding to the mind [h] ?
37 Who has the wisdom to count the clouds?
Who can tip over the water jars of the heavens
38 when the dust becomes hard
and the clods of earth stick together?
39 "Do you hunt the prey for the lioness
and satisfy the hunger of the lions
40 when they crouch in their dens
or lie in wait in a thicket?
41 Who provides food for the raven
when its young cry out to God
and wander about for lack of food?

[B]Job 39
1 "Do you know when the mountain goats give birth?
Do you watch when the doe bears her fawn?
2 Do you count the months till they bear?
Do you know the time they give birth?
3 They crouch down and bring forth their young;
their labor pains are ended.
4 Their young thrive and grow strong in the wilds;
they leave and do not return.
5 "Who let the wild donkey go free?
Who untied his ropes?
6 I gave him the wasteland as his home,
the salt flats as his habitat.
7 He laughs at the commotion in the town;
he does not hear a driver's shout.
8 He ranges the hills for his pasture
and searches for any green thing.
9 "Will the wild ox consent to serve you?
Will he stay by your manger at night?
10 Can you hold him to the furrow with a harness?
Will he till the valleys behind you?
11 Will you rely on him for his great strength?
Will you leave your heavy work to him?
12 Can you trust him to bring in your grain
and gather it to your threshing floor?
13 "The wings of the ostrich flap joyfully,
but they cannot compare with the pinions and feathers of the stork.
14 She lays her eggs on the ground
and lets them warm in the sand,
15 unmindful that a foot may crush them,
that some wild animal may trample them.
16 She treats her young harshly, as if they were not hers;
she cares not that her labor was in vain,
17 for God did not endow her with wisdom
or give her a share of good sense.
18 Yet when she spreads her feathers to run,
she laughs at horse and rider.
19 "Do you give the horse his strength
or clothe his neck with a flowing mane?
20 Do you make him leap like a locust,
striking terror with his proud snorting?
21 He paws fiercely, rejoicing in his strength,
and charges into the fray.
22 He laughs at fear, afraid of nothing;
he does not shy away from the sword.
23 The quiver rattles against his side,
along with the flashing spear and lance.
24 In frenzied excitement he eats up the ground;
he cannot stand still when the trumpet sounds.
25 At the blast of the trumpet he snorts, 'Aha!'
He catches the scent of battle from afar,
the shout of commanders and the battle cry.
26 "Does the hawk take flight by your wisdom
and spread his wings toward the south?
27 Does the eagle soar at your command
and build his nest on high?
28 He dwells on a cliff and stays there at night;
a rocky crag is his stronghold.
29 From there he seeks out his food;
his eyes detect it from afar.
30 His young ones feast on blood,
and where the slain are, there is he."


Job 40: 1-3

1 The LORD said to Job:
2 "Will the one who contends with the Almighty correct him?
Let him who accuses God answer him!"
Job 38
The LORD Speaks
1 Then the LORD answered Job out of the storm. He said:
2 "Who is this that darkens my counsel
with words without knowledge?
3 Brace yourself like a man;
I will question you,
and you shall answer me.
4 "Where were you when I laid the earth's foundation?
Tell me, if you understand.
5 Who marked off its dimensions? Surely you know!
Who stretched a measuring line across it?
6 On what were its footings set,
or who laid its cornerstone-
7 while the morning stars sang together
and all the angels [a] shouted for joy?
8 "Who shut up the sea behind doors
when it burst forth from the womb,
9 when I made the clouds its garment
and wrapped it in thick darkness,
10 when I fixed limits for it
and set its doors and bars in place,
11 when I said, 'This far you may come and no farther;
here is where your proud waves halt'?
12 "Have you ever given orders to the morning,
or shown the dawn its place,
13 that it might take the earth by the edges
and shake the wicked out of it?
14 The earth takes shape like clay under a seal;
its features stand out like those of a garment.
15 The wicked are denied their light,
and their upraised arm is broken.
16 "Have you journeyed to the springs of the sea
or walked in the recesses of the deep?
17 Have the gates of death been shown to you?
Have you seen the gates of the shadow of death [b] ?
18 Have you comprehended the vast expanses of the earth?
Tell me, if you know all this.
19 "What is the way to the abode of light?
And where does darkness reside?
20 Can you take them to their places?
Do you know the paths to their dwellings?
21 Surely you know, for you were already born!
You have lived so many years!
22 "Have you entered the storehouses of the snow
or seen the storehouses of the hail,
23 which I reserve for times of trouble,
for days of war and battle?
24 What is the way to the place where the lightning is dispersed,
or the place where the east winds are scattered over the earth?
25 Who cuts a channel for the torrents of rain,
and a path for the thunderstorm,
26 to water a land where no man lives,
a desert with no one in it,
27 to satisfy a desolate wasteland
and make it sprout with grass?
28 Does the rain have a father?
Who fathers the drops of dew?
29 From whose womb comes the ice?
Who gives birth to the frost from the heavens
30 when the waters become hard as stone,
when the surface of the deep is frozen?
31 "Can you bind the beautiful [c] Pleiades?
Can you loose the cords of Orion?
32 Can you bring forth the constellations in their seasons [d]
or lead out the Bear [e] with its cubs?
33 Do you know the laws of the heavens?
Can you set up God's [f] dominion over the earth?
34 "Can you raise your voice to the clouds
and cover yourself with a flood of water?
35 Do you send the lightning bolts on their way?
Do they report to you, 'Here we are'?
36 Who endowed the heart [g] with wisdom
or gave understanding to the mind [h] ?
37 Who has the wisdom to count the clouds?
Who can tip over the water jars of the heavens
38 when the dust becomes hard
and the clods of earth stick together?
39 "Do you hunt the prey for the lioness
and satisfy the hunger of the lions
40 when they crouch in their dens
or lie in wait in a thicket?
41 Who provides food for the raven
when its young cry out to God
and wander about for lack of food?
Job 39
1 "Do you know when the mountain goats give birth?
Do you watch when the doe bears her fawn?
2 Do you count the months till they bear?
Do you know the time they give birth?
3 They crouch down and bring forth their young;
their labor pains are ended.
4 Their young thrive and grow strong in the wilds;
they leave and do not return.
5 "Who let the wild donkey go free?
Who untied his ropes?
6 I gave him the wasteland as his home,
the salt flats as his habitat.
7 He laughs at the commotion in the town;
he does not hear a driver's shout.
8 He ranges the hills for his pasture
and searches for any green thing.
9 "Will the wild ox consent to serve you?
Will he stay by your manger at night?
10 Can you hold him to the furrow with a harness?
Will he till the valleys behind you?
11 Will you rely on him for his great strength?
Will you leave your heavy work to him?
12 Can you trust him to bring in your grain
and gather it to your threshing floor?
13 "The wings of the ostrich flap joyfully,
but they cannot compare with the pinions and feathers of the stork.
14 She lays her eggs on the ground
and lets them warm in the sand,
15 unmindful that a foot may crush them,
that some wild animal may trample them.
16 She treats her young harshly, as if they were not hers;
she cares not that her labor was in vain,
17 for God did not endow her with wisdom
or give her a share of good sense.
18 Yet when she spreads her feathers to run,
she laughs at horse and rider.
19 "Do you give the horse his strength
or clothe his neck with a flowing mane?
20 Do you make him leap like a locust,
striking terror with his proud snorting?
21 He paws fiercely, rejoicing in his strength,
and charges into the fray.
22 He laughs at fear, afraid of nothing;
he does not shy away from the sword.
23 The quiver rattles against his side,
along with the flashing spear and lance.
24 In frenzied excitement he eats up the ground;
he cannot stand still when the trumpet sounds.
25 At the blast of the trumpet he snorts, 'Aha!'
He catches the scent of battle from afar,
the shout of commanders and the battle cry.
26 "Does the hawk take flight by your wisdom
and spread his wings toward the south?
27 Does the eagle soar at your command
and build his nest on high?
28 He dwells on a cliff and stays there at night;
a rocky crag is his stronghold.
29 From there he seeks out his food;
his eyes detect it from afar.
30 His young ones feast on blood,
and where the slain are, there is he."


Job 40: 1-2

1 The LORD said to Job:
2 "Will the one who contends with the Almighty correct him?
Let him who accuses God answer him!"

Job 38
The LORD Speaks
1 Then the LORD answered Job out of the storm. He said:
2 "Who is this that darkens my counsel
with words without knowledge?
3 Brace yourself like a man;
I will question you,
and you shall answer me.
4 "Where were you when I laid the earth's foundation?
Tell me, if you understand.
5 Who marked off its dimensions? Surely you know!
Who stretched a measuring line across it?
6 On what were its footings set,
or who laid its cornerstone-
7 while the morning stars sang together
and all the angels [a] shouted for joy?
8 "Who shut up the sea behind doors
when it burst forth from the womb,
9 when I made the clouds its garment
and wrapped it in thick darkness,
10 when I fixed limits for it
and set its doors and bars in place,
11 when I said, 'This far you may come and no farther;
here is where your proud waves halt'?
12 "Have you ever given orders to the morning,
or shown the dawn its place,
13 that it might take the earth by the edges
and shake the wicked out of it?
14 The earth takes shape like clay under a seal;
its features stand out like those of a garment.
15 The wicked are denied their light,
and their upraised arm is broken.
16 "Have you journeyed to the springs of the sea
or walked in the recesses of the deep?
17 Have the gates of death been shown to you?
Have you seen the gates of the shadow of death [b] ?
18 Have you comprehended the vast expanses of the earth?
Tell me, if you know all this.
19 "What is the way to the abode of light?
And where does darkness reside?
20 Can you take them to their places?
Do you know the paths to their dwellings?
21 Surely you know, for you were already born!
You have lived so many years!
22 "Have you entered the storehouses of the snow
or seen the storehouses of the hail,
23 which I reserve for times of trouble,
for days of war and battle?
24 What is the way to the place where the lightning is dispersed,
or the place where the east winds are scattered over the earth?
25 Who cuts a channel for the torrents of rain,
and a path for the thunderstorm,
26 to water a land where no man lives,
a desert with no one in it,
27 to satisfy a desolate wasteland
and make it sprout with grass?
28 Does the rain have a father?
Who fathers the drops of dew?
29 From whose womb comes the ice?
Who gives birth to the frost from the heavens
30 when the waters become hard as stone,
when the surface of the deep is frozen?
31 "Can you bind the beautiful [c] Pleiades?
Can you loose the cords of Orion?
32 Can you bring forth the constellations in their seasons [d]
or lead out the Bear [e] with its cubs?
33 Do you know the laws of the heavens?
Can you set up God's [f] dominion over the earth?
34 "Can you raise your voice to the clouds
and cover yourself with a flood of water?
35 Do you send the lightning bolts on their way?
Do they report to you, 'Here we are'?
36 Who endowed the heart [g] with wisdom
or gave understanding to the mind [h] ?
37 Who has the wisdom to count the clouds?
Who can tip over the water jars of the heavens
38 when the dust becomes hard
and the clods of earth stick together?
39 "Do you hunt the prey for the lioness
and satisfy the hunger of the lions
40 when they crouch in their dens
or lie in wait in a thicket?
41 Who provides food for the raven
when its young cry out to God
and wander about for lack of food?
Job 39
1 "Do you know when the mountain goats give birth?
Do you watch when the doe bears her fawn?
2 Do you count the months till they bear?
Do you know the time they give birth?
3 They crouch down and bring forth their young;
their labor pains are ended.
4 Their young thrive and grow strong in the wilds;
they leave and do not return.
5 "Who let the wild donkey go free?
Who untied his ropes?
6 I gave him the wasteland as his home,
the salt flats as his habitat.
7 He laughs at the commotion in the town;
he does not hear a driver's shout.
8 He ranges the hills for his pasture
and searches for any green thing.
9 "Will the wild ox consent to serve you?
Will he stay by your manger at night?
10 Can you hold him to the furrow with a harness?
Will he till the valleys behind you?
11 Will you rely on him for his great strength?
Will you leave your heavy work to him?
12 Can you trust him to bring in your grain
and gather it to your threshing floor?
13 "The wings of the ostrich flap joyfully,
but they cannot compare with the pinions and feathers of the stork.
14 She lays her eggs on the ground
and lets them warm in the sand,
15 unmindful that a foot may crush them,
that some wild animal may trample them.
16 She treats her young harshly, as if they were not hers;
she cares not that her labor was in vain,
17 for God did not endow her with wisdom
or give her a share of good sense.
18 Yet when she spreads her feathers to run,
she laughs at horse and rider.
19 "Do you give the horse his strength
or clothe his neck with a flowing mane?
20 Do you make him leap like a locust,
striking terror with his proud snorting?
21 He paws fiercely, rejoicing in his strength,
and charges into the fray.
22 He laughs at fear, afraid of nothing;
he does not shy away from the sword.
23 The quiver rattles against his side,
along with the flashing spear and lance.
24 In frenzied excitement he eats up the ground;
he cannot stand still when the trumpet sounds.
25 At the blast of the trumpet he snorts, 'Aha!'
He catches the scent of battle from afar,
the shout of commanders and the battle cry.
26 "Does the hawk take flight by your wisdom
and spread his wings toward the south?
27 Does the eagle soar at your command
and build his nest on high?
28 He dwells on a cliff and stays there at night;
a rocky crag is his stronghold.
29 From there he seeks out his food;
his eyes detect it from afar.
30 His young ones feast on blood,
and where the slain are, there is he."


Job 40: 1-5

1 The LORD said to Job:
2 "Will the one who contends with the Almighty correct him?
Let him who accuses God answer him!"
3 Then Job answered the LORD :

4 "I am unworthy—how can I reply to you?
I put my hand over my mouth.

5 I spoke once, but I have no answer—
twice, but I will say no more."

[Sense]

Live a good life. If there are gods and they are just, then they will not care how devout you have been, but will welcome you based on the virtues you have lived by. If there are gods, but unjust, then you should not want to worship them. If there are no gods, then you will be gone, but will have lived a noble life that will live on in the memories of your loved ones."

This is exactly how I feel about religion/god.

[MiamiHeat]

I know how to talk to God.

Any ladies want me to show them? I can place my hands on you and fill you with Him.

[Desert Plains]

this is an answer i can appreciate. I watch amazing race too...and i just rolled my eyes when i saw the team talking about god helping them through the race. I think that team was the same one that bragged about being sexually pure. Hell, you might as well get on tv and say, "look how much better i am than you. I don't have sex like you heathens do." those type of people make me want to stop using the term "christian" to describe myself, just so i am not mistaken for someone like that.

Your statements are very honest and i too struggle with these things. Working in the mental health field brings these same questions to my mind. Someone doesn't choose to be bipolar or schizophrenic. Many of them are like that from birth and deal with their whole lives. I try to take comfort in knowing that this life is very short...and the eternal peace they will have beyond this will erase every memory of their time here.

It's never a surprise to me how many people hate christians because if the way they are. It is almost ironic because it was never was that way with jesus. The only people that hated him were the religious people...everyone else wanted to be around him. He met people where they were and loved them regardless of who they were. When people were drinking and having a good time at the wedding...he didn't condemn the people...he made more wine. What is even cooler about that story is that he did not take the credit for making the wine. He let the bridegroom have the credit and saved him from the embarrassment of having to tell his guests that the wine had run out.

God says there are two commandments that cover everything...love god with all your heart, mind and soul and loving your neighbor as yourself. The problem with modern evangelicals is that they would rather spend time putting stipulations on that love instead of practicing it.

+1

[Blake]

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Oh man, that sent me over the edge. This has been a fun SpursTalk afternoon.and on the 8th day god said "let there be a jackass" and it was so and man said "i will name the jackass mono for he is a fucking idiot"

[monosylab1k]

and on the 8th day god said "let there be a jackass" and it was so and man said "i will name the jackass mono for he is a fucking idiot"

of course a tech grad wouldn't get it.

[LnGrrrR]

Believing in the Bible does require faith and as such, I do not have answers for everything. But I know that Jesus loves you ( and everybody) and you can be certain He will always lead you in the right direction and in a way that you will know it is Him.


Except for those, of course, who don't believe in Him. :)

AngelLuv, I'll have to have you read some philosophy. I was just reading someone... Kant, I believe it was, who stated that, without true Doubt, faith is nothing.

To be certain of God, as if you were certain that this chair exists, is to remove some of the wonder of faith. You have to question his existence, even slightly. If not, then your faith will not be as great as one who ISN'T sure, but decides to believe/trust anyways.

Anyways, thought it was an interesting line of thought. :)

[Blake]

of course a tech grad wouldn't get it.no, i get it. You are an idiot.

[stretch]

bump

[MiamiHeat]

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