roman polanski arrested

[rjv]

PARIS, France (CNN) -- French authorities expressed solidarity with Roman Polanski's family Monday after authorities arrested the filmmaker on a 1970s sexual-offense charge involving a 13-year-old girl.
http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/CRIME/09/28/zurich.roman.polanski.arrested/art.polanski.roman.gi.jpg Roman Polanski attends a film premiere in Paris, France, in June 2009.


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French Foreign Minister Bernard Kouchner said he hoped authorities would respect Polanski's rights "and that the affair (will) come to a favorable resolution," the Foreign Ministry said in a statement.
The French culture and communications minister, Frederic Mitterrand, said he "learned with astonishment" of Polanski's arrest. He expressed solidarity with Polanski's family and said "he wants to remind everyone that Roman Polanski benefits from great general esteem" and has "exceptional artistic creation and human qualities."
Investigators in the United States say Polanski drugged and raped a 13-year-old girl in the 1970s. Polanski pleaded guilty in 1977 to having unlawful sexual intercourse with a minor, but he fled the United States before he could be sentenced and settled in France.
U.S. authorities have had a warrant for his arrest since 1978. Police in Switzerland arrested Polanski on that warrant Saturday after the 76-year-old tried to enter Switzerland to attend the Zurich Film Festival, which is holding a tribute to Polanski this year.
Filmmakers have reacted with outrage at the arrest.
"As a Swiss filmmaker, I feel deeply ashamed," Christian Frei said.
"He's a brilliant guy, and he made a little mistake 32 years ago. What a shame for Switzerland," said photographer Otto Weisser, a friend of Polanski.
The Polish Filmmakers Association posted a letter on its Web site Monday from the European Film Academy secretariat that protested "the arbitrary treatment of one of the world's most outstanding film directors."
The letter, which was read aloud at the festival, was signed by directors Wim Wenders, Volker Schloendorff and Bertrand Tavernier; actress Victoria Abril; cinematographer Peter Suschitzky; and screenwriter and actor Jean-Claude Carriere.
Mitterrand said he has spoken with French President Nicolas Sarkozy and that Sarkozy "shares his hope for a rapid resolution to the situation which would allow Roman Polanski to rejoin his family as quickly as possible."
Mitterrand said he "greatly regrets that Mr. Polanski has had yet another difficulty added to an already turbulent existence."
Polanski (http://topics.cnn.com/topics/Roman_Polanski) won an Academy Award for best director in 2003 for "The Pianist." He was nominated for best director Oscars for "Tess" and "Chinatown" and for best writing for "Rosemary's Baby," which he also directed.
A spokesman for the Swiss Justice Ministry said Polanski was arrested upon arrival at the airport.
A provisional arrest warrant was issued last week out of Los Angeles, California, after authorities learned he was going to be in Switzerland, Sandi Gibbons, spokeswoman for the Los Angeles County district attorney's office, told CNN on Sunday.
There have been repeated attempts to settle the case over the years, but the sticking point has always been Polanski's refusal to return to attend hearings. Prosecutors have consistently argued that it would be a miscarriage of justice to allow a man to go free who "drugged and raped a 13-year-old child."
The Swiss Justice Ministry said Polanski was put "in provisional detention." But whether he can be extradited to the United States "can be established only after the extradition process judicially has been finalized," ministry spokesman Guido Balmer said in an e-mail. http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/.element/img/2.0/mosaic/tabs/video.gif Watch what happens now for Polanski » (http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/09/28/zurich.roman.polanski.arrested/index.html#cnnSTCVideo)
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Gibbons said the extradition process will be determined in Switzerland, but said authorities are ready to move forward with Polanski's sentencing process, depending on what happens in Zurich.
Polanski was accused of plying the then-teenage girl, Samantha Geimer, with champagne and a sliver of a Quaalude tablet and performing various sex acts, including intercourse, with her during a photo shoot at actor Jack Nicholson's house. He was 43 at the time.
Nicholson was not at home, but his girlfriend at the time, actress Anjelica Huston, was there. According to a probation report contained in the filing, Huston described the teen as "sullen."
"She appeared to be one of those kind of little chicks between -- could be any age up to 25. She did not look like a 13-year-old scared little thing," Huston said.
She said Polanski did not strike her as the type of man who would force himself on a young girl.
"I don't think he's a bad man," she said in the report. "I think he's an unhappy man."
Polanski's lawyers tried this year to have the charges thrown out, but a judge in Los Angeles rejected the request. However, Los Angeles Superior Court Judge Peter Espinoza left the door open to reconsider his ruling if Polanski shows up in court.
Espinoza also appeared to acknowledge problems with the way the 76-year-old director's case was handled years ago.
According to court documents, Polanski, his lawyer and the prosecutor thought they'd worked out a deal that would spare Polanski from prison and let the teen avoid a public trial.
But the original judge in the case, who is now dead, first sent the director to maximum-security prison for 42 days while he underwent psychological testing. Then, on the eve of his sentencing, the judge told attorneys he was inclined to send Polanski back to prison for another 48 days.
Polanski fled the United States for France, where he was born.
In the February 2009 hearing, Espinoza mentioned a documentary film, "Roman Polanski: Wanted and Desired," that depicts backroom deals between prosecutors and a media-obsessed judge who was worried his public image would suffer if he didn't send Polanski to prison. The documentary was first broadcast in June 2008.
"It's hard to contest some of the behavior in the documentary was misconduct," Espinoza said. But he declined to dismiss the case entirely.
Geimer is among those calling for the case to be tossed out. She filed court papers in January saying, "I am no longer a 13-year-old child. I have dealt with the difficulties of being a victim, have surmounted and surpassed them with one exception.

"Every time this case is brought to the attention of the court, great focus is made of me, my family, my mother and others. That attention is not pleasant to experience and is not worth maintaining over some irrelevant legal nicety, the continuation of the case."
Geimer, now 45, married and a mother of three, sued Polanski and received an undisclosed settlement. She long ago came forward and made her identity public -- mainly, she said, because she was disturbed by how the criminal case had been handled.

i do not feel sorry for him and i wonder why so much of hollywood and the film community is so forgiving of pedophiles. no wonder woody allen is considered a genius, that fricking pervert.

[angel_luv]

"It's hard to contest some of the behavior in the documentary was misconduct," Espinoza said. But he declined to dismiss the case entirely.
Geimer is among those calling for the case to be tossed out. She filed court papers in January saying, "I am no longer a 13-year-old child. I have dealt with the difficulties of being a victim, have surmounted and surpassed them with one exception.

"Every time this case is brought to the attention of the court, great focus is made of me, my family, my mother and others. That attention is not pleasant to experience and is not worth maintaining over some irrelevant legal nicety, the continuation of the case."
Geimer, now 45, married and a mother of three, sued Polanski and received an undisclosed settlement. She long ago came forward and made her identity public -- mainly, she said, because she was disturbed by how the criminal case had been handled.


I am outraged and saddened at the idea of what Polanski did.
But I respect the victim's wishes in this case- unless it can be proven that Polanski is still a risk to have among society.

[JoeChalupa]

Cut!

[rjv]

I am outraged and saddened at the idea of what Polanski did.
But I respect the victim's wishes in this case- unless it can be proven that Polanski is still a risk to have among society.

agreed. but i found it disturbing to hear some of the comments made by others who seemed to be dismissing what he did as no big deal.

[nkdlunch]

which movie was it where they have a scene where a director fucked a 13 year old in hollywood? it was aimed at this polanski crime. I can't remember what movie was it... I think it was a black/white movie...

[Dr. Gonzo]

He looks like an old David Duchovny.

[angel_luv]

agreed. but i found it disturbing to hear some of the comments made by others who seemed to be dismissing what he did as no big deal.

I felt the same.

What did someone call it? " A little mistake" ?

[rjv]

I felt the same.

What did someone call it? " A little mistake" ?

yeah that is what he referred to it as and then anjelica huston seemed to suggest that it was the girl who was asking for it. sad.

[clambake]

which movie was it where they have a scene where a director fucked a 13 year old in hollywood? it was aimed at this polanski crime. I can't remember what movie was it... I think it was a black/white movie...

you're thinking of Lolita

[sonic21]

But I respect the victim's wishes in this case- unless it can be proven that Polanski is still a risk to have among society.

The fact that the victim has forgiven him and moved on is irrelevant. If you have sex with a 13 years old girl and she turns out to be mentally strong that doesn't let you off the hook.

[Heath Ledger]

I say this guy gets a pass, he wasn't all there after his wife and unborn baby were slaughtered.

[baseline bum]

You rape a 13 year-old, you should have your cock cut right off. Fuck this asshole.

[ploto]

But I respect the victim's wishes in this case- unless it can be proven that Polanski is still a risk to have among society.

He pleaded GUILTY and never served his time. Victims do not get to decide to let people out of their prison sentences.

He was in his 40's and the girl was 13.

[CosmicCowboy]

The dude was 44 years old and fed a 13 year old girl alcohol and qualudes and then raped her. That is not a gray area.

[MiamiHeat]

The fact that he used drugs to sedate her is what is really ugly in this.

I mean, it's one thing if the 13 yr old was lying about her age and trying to be in hollywood and was willingly wanting to have fun...

but to drug her against her will, yeah that's messed up

[angel_luv]

I was in no way advocating for to Polanski to escape serving prison time.

My regret is for the victim who is still having this rehashed so many years later.
I just hope all this publicity the case is getting is not for naught.
The victim has suffered enough.

[Kermit]

Seen the pictures he took of her on a doc about him. She didn't look anywhere near thirteen, but that doesn't excuse anything that happened. If not for an overzealous judge, this shit would've been over decades ago.

[MiamiHeat]

http://dne.enaa.com/upload/Samantha_Geimer_13_1408%20.jpg

Samantha Geimer, 1977

[Kermit]

In the doc, the pictures that they posted of her made her look more 18 or 19. She looks fucking twelve in that pic.

[rjv]

essentially, he is a perv, molester and a coward.

oh-but he is an artistic genius so we should forgive. hollywood can be so fricking disgusting.

[Kermit]

the pianist was the shit.

[rjv]

the pianist was the shit.


and chinatown is brilliant but the man is still scum.

[MiamiHeat]

2001 a space odyssey is amazing

[Drachen]

2001 a space odyssey is amazing


Was this a joke?? Polanski, the scum, wasn't the director of this movie. Stanley Kubrick is, and he is dead. Anyway send this guy to the General Population unit in prison and "leak" the info that he is a chester and let him get his real punishment.

[Heath Ledger]

In a sense he has already suffered enough for many life times the way his pregnant wife and baby were slaughtered by the Manson family. I say if he comes to the usa its fair game to scoop him up but not for extradition.

[Drachen]

In a sense he has already suffered enough for many life times the way his pregnant wife and baby were slaughtered by the Manson family. I say if he comes to the usa its fair game to scoop him up but not for extradition.

You say that if he comes to the US he is fair game, so I assume you believe that he deserves to be punished for this heinous crime. Why is your belief on the metering of justice conditional.

Also, his wife was a seperate incident, the 13 year old had nothing to do with this. If you give someone a free pass because something bad happened to them earlier in their life, you will let a lot of murderers and rapists back onto the street.

Or do you feel this way because he is famous and has produced some flicks that you enjoyed?

[caribbean_spur]

So your wife and baby are killed is a excuse for you to rape a 13 year old girl?! WTF!!!! I could care less about his state of mind, he raped her, he goes to jail. I am so disgusted by all these people who think it is no big deal because it is Roman Freaking Polanski!

If it was you or me our asses would be dragged to jail manu militari.

[MiamiHeat]

You say that if he comes to the US he is fair game, so I assume you believe that he deserves to be punished for this heinous crime. Why is your belief on the metering of justice conditional.

Also, his wife was a seperate incident, the 13 year old had nothing to do with this. If you give someone a free pass because something bad happened to them earlier in their life, you will let a lot of murderers and rapists back onto the street.

Or do you feel this way because he is famous and has produced some flicks that you enjoyed?

it was a long time ago and the girl is in her 40's now and she wants the state to drop the case. she says she doesn't care about this

[Heath Ledger]

So your wife and baby are killed is a excuse for you to rape a 13 year old girl?! WTF!!!! I could care less about his state of mind, he raped her, he goes to jail. I am so disgusted by all these people who think it is no big deal because it is Roman Freaking Polanski!

If it was you or me our asses would be dragged to jail manu militari.

Im not saying its an excuse. Just saying this guy is already going through hell for the rest of his life dealing with the death of his wife and child in the manner it happened.

[Stringer_Bell]

You do not plead guilty to a serious crime if you are innocent.
Having sex with a 13 year old girl is a serious crime.
If you plead guilty to unlawful sex with a minor, get ready to have your shit pushed in.
Where was this girl's parents during this "photo shoot?"

Polanski enjoyed living in the US, but he broke our laws and he needs to be held accountable to OUR society. The chick got her money, has a family and wants to move on...good for her! Polanski, not so much, but I think he deserves good treatment cuz The Pianist was pretty good.

[MiamiHeat]

it was a long time ago and the girl in question says she wants the case dropped

[EricB]

it was a long time ago and the girl in question says she wants the case dropped



Awesome, let a child rapist run free.

Great attitude...


Immediate execution for child rapists.

Period.

They are a waste of oxygen on this earth.

[Jacob1983]

Anyone who has sympathy or pity for this guy needs to be bitch slapped. This pervert fucked a little girl. You don't do that shit. He needs to own up to what he did and serve some jail time. Jack Bauer or Batman would be great at bringing this guy in. If only they were real, then they could go get him and bring him back to America so he could own up to his crime.

[Strange Love]

Cut!

/thread :lmao

[MiamiHeat]

Awesome, let a child rapist run free.

Great attitude...


Immediate execution for child rapists.

Period.

They are a waste of oxygen on this earth.

what do you care though

lol you get so worked up over something that happened 30+ years ago, the victim says she doesn't care either

1 act doesn't define a human being. have you ever lied before? if you ever lied even once, should i call you a liar for the rest of your life?


get over it. this is like ancient, polanski will die of old age soon anyways

who cares

[sonic21]

1 act doesn't define a human being. have you ever lied before? if you ever lied even once, should i call you a liar for the rest of your life?


so you're comparing lying and being a pedo...

[MiamiHeat]

yes that is exactly what im doing. lying is the same as being a pedo

[polandprzem]

Awesome, let a child rapist run free.

Great attitude...


Immediate execution for child rapists.

Period.

They are a waste of oxygen on this earth.

I think you are not in any kind of danger so relax.




:lmao

[sonic21]

yes that is exactly what im doing. lying is the same as being a pedo

ok smartass, you know what i meant.

[NoOptionB]

Death Penalty!


haha, who gives a shit who he is. A director? BFD.

Bring him back to the States, let him serve his 5 years, and then boot his ass back to France.

[Bender]

He had a bit part in Chinatown, even though he was the director. He was the guy who stuck a knife up Jack Nicholson's nose and sliced it open.

http://filmfanatic.org/reviews/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/knife.JPG

[Kermit]

Salon has a pretty, preeeettty good write up on it.

http://www.salon.com/mwt/broadsheet/feature/2009/09/28/polanski_arrest/

My opinion: he drugged, raped, and sodomized a child. Dude pled guilty. The prosecution and defense agreed to a sentence. The judge made a fucking mockery of our court system. Bring him over, let him serve whatever was originally agreed upon, and let his ass go back to France.

[CavsSuperFan]

Roman Polanski story…I say he gets off & attends the next Academy Awards Show…The same Academy members that jeered Elia Kazan will give Polanski a standing ovation….


I trade sweat for strength… I trade doubt for belief… I trade cheerleading for nothing!"

[thispego]

i dont know, 13 year old girls are pretty hot, and can be might slutty these days. Don't think it was much different back then. I bet she wanted to get drugged up and sodomized.

[koriwhat]

i dont know, 13 year old girls are pretty hot, and can be might slutty these days. Don't think it was much different back then. I bet she wanted to get drugged up and sodomized.

thispedo

[Kermit]

Those pictures were just nudity. Nudity is not pornography.

[hater]

He had a bit part in Chinatown, even though he was the director. He was the guy who stuck a knife up Jack Nicholson's nose and sliced it open.

http://filmfanatic.org/reviews/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/knife.JPG

watch the tenant. he is the main character and director. that movie is crazy as fuck, you can tell that dude is a freak.

[rjv]

ironically, chinatown's main antagonist is a child molester.

[thispego]

thispedo

nah man, your teenaged daughters are safe with me :tu

i'm just speaking on my teaching experience over the last 12 months

[koriwhat]

nah man, your teenaged daughters are safe with me :tu

i don't have to worry because i never plan on having any kids anyhow... especially girls if i can help it!

[thispego]

wrap it up then brah

[koriwhat]

^ haha

[BlackSwordsMan]

he raped a girl and fled the country and people are upset over his arrest?

[thispego]

i havent read the whole thread. who is against his arrest except for miamiheat, who is a dumbass?

[MiamiHeat]

i am not against his arrest, i don't think anyone here is

i just don't give a shit about something that happened 30+ years ago and the victim is asking for the case to be dropped.

[BlackSwordsMan]

i havent read the whole thread. who is against his arrest except for miamiheat, who is a dumbass?

those cunts on the view were against it for some reason dunno didn't listen to them

[Strange Love]

i am not against his arrest, i don't think anyone here is

i just don't give a shit about something that happened 30+ years ago and the victim is asking for the case to be dropped.


I have to agree with MiamiHeat after all no one is crucifying Paula Poundstone.



http://archives.cnn.com/2001/US/06/27/poundstone.arrest/index.html

[Strange Love]

9NX_D0Bv9M0

[desflood]

It's not at all surprising that Woody Allen supports Polanski. Woody likes 'em young, himself.

[JoeChalupa]

Justice must be served!!

[Bukefal]

You rape a 13 year-old, you should have your cock cut right off. Fuck this asshole.

Exactly! Disgusting, cares for everyone, wether its polanski or the next door pizzadelivery boy, its sick.

[MiamiHeat]

Exactly! Disgusting, cares for everyone, wether its polanski or the next door pizzadelivery boy, its sick.

Which part is sick?

The raping , or having sex with a 13 year old female?

[mrsmaalox]

No one is crucifying Paula Poundstone because she completed her sentence (probation and an alcohol treatment program). And Woody Allen may like younger women but he's just a scumbag, not a pedophile.

[word]

The dude was 44 years old and fed a 13 year old girl alcohol and qualudes and then raped her. That is not a gray area.

Anally raped her at that. He took a plea deal then didn't show up in court.
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/polanskicover1.html

[Bukefal]

Which part is sick?

The raping , or having sex with a 13 year old female?

Both

[MiamiHeat]

Having sex with 13 year old females has been happening for 99% of human history.

In fact, even today in 2009, in many parts of Europe, Asia, South America, Africa, and the Middle East, when a girl has her first menstrual cycle, which is usually around 13-15, she gets married. She is considered ready at that point.

Biologically, she is ready to have a child.

In fact, that is what puberty is all about. The stage when a human is now biologically ready to begin mating. In girls, this means that at puberty, she now begins to become more attractive and SOMETIMES older men will be attracted to an 13-17 year old girl.

It happens, and if you look at it BIOLOGICALLY, it is completely NORMAL. Biologically speaking, the human body WANTS to attract a mate. It is not sick.

It's mainly in the USA that we put a huge stigma on this. As if it's somehow inhuman and 'sick' as you call it, to be aroused. It's just evolution hasn't caught up to our ideas of society.

[MiamiHeat]

as for rape, yeh that part is sick.

[Jelly]

I'm particularly repulsed by the outrage in Europe over his arrest. Apparently drugging, raping and sodomizing a young girl is not nearly as horrific a crime as pursuing the arrest of the "intellectually renowned", "culturally significant", "greatest contributer to the arts"... blah, blah, blah. If you want to get truly angry try reading the perspective from the European press and their comment sections. You will be disgusted at how they are rushing to the defense of their beloved fugitive rapist. But it's no surprise. They have protected, coddled and cherished this cretin for 30 years. Being a wealthy, white, European "artiste" has many advantages over there.

[MiamiHeat]

Following his indictment on various sex charges, Polanski agreed to a plea deal that spared him prison time (he had spent about 45 days in jail during a court-ordered psychiatric evaluation). But when it seemed that a Superior Court judge might not honor the deal--and sentence Polanski to prison--the director fled the country.

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He was already given a plea deal and he accepted it.

Some overzealous judge decided to REFUSE TO HONOR AN ALREADY ESTABLISHED PLEA BARGAIN.

That's why he fled.

[ChumpDumper]

He was already given a plea deal and he accepted it.

Some overzealous judge decided to REFUSE TO HONOR AN ALREADY ESTABLISHED PLEA BARGAIN.

That's why he fled.If it's a shitty deal, the judge can void it.

That was a shitty deal for anally raping a 13 year old girl.

[MiamiHeat]

Yeh, that whole half a pill of qualude thing is pretty bad.

eh, i don't care either way. im out

[Kriz-Maxima]

Throw him in jail, find the biggest guy and let him anally rape him Polanski. Without drugs though, let him feel it.

[Kermit]

If it's a shitty deal, the judge can void it.

That was a shitty deal for anally raping a 13 year old girl.

If said judge hadn't already agreed to it.

[Fabbs]

CNNs Lisa Bloom says the docs show the girl "said no repeatedly, asked Polansky to stop repeatedly, begged him to stop".

True?
If so i know where i stand on this.

[ChumpDumper]

Yeh, that whole half a pill of qualude thing is pretty bad. The anal raping is pretty bad.

[ChumpDumper]

If said judge hadn't already agreed to it.If the judge has the discretion to change his mind before sentencing, so be it. Sounds like such an action could be appealed.

[MiamiHeat]

By the way, this 13 year old girl

she had already had sex 2 times before Polanski came along
and she had been drunk several times
and she had taken qualudes before.

[ChumpDumper]

By the way, this 13 year old girl

she had already had sex 2 times before Polanski came along
and she had been drunk several times
and she had taken qualudes before.Had she been drugged against her will and anally raped before?

By the way, Polanski pleaded guilty.

If he wasn't guilty he shouldn't have pleaded guilty.

[MiamiHeat]

In her testimony, she said she took the qualude herself. Polanski took one, and then she took half a pill with her champagne. Wasn't against her will. And she also testified that she didn't protest when he put his penis in her anus.

and Polanski pleaded guilty to having sex with a minor. Not drugging her against her will or whatever

[ChumpDumper]

So he pleaded guilty.

[MiamiHeat]

He pled guilty to unlawful sex with a minor. He didn't concede drugging her against her will or any of that

[ChumpDumper]

"I said, 'No, no. I don't want to go in there. No, I don't want to do this. No!', and then I didn't know what else to do."

Yeah, she really wanted to have sex with him.

[word]

By the way, this 13 year old girl

she had already had sex 2 times before Polanski came along
and she had been drunk several times
and she had taken qualudes before.

OH. Then....

never mind.

So, basically I can fuck anyone I want as long as they've;

A: been fucked before
B: been drunk before
C: taken drugs before

This pretty much means I own your ass.

[sonic21]

It is a sad world when what to do with a child rapist is even a matter of debate.

[MiamiHeat]

There is no debate. He's already arrested and is going to be sentenced to prison

[johnsmith.]

Most of those young kids ask for it! walking around with their diaper half off.. fucking tease!! :bang

[Jekka]

Having sex with 13 year old females has been happening for 99% of human history.

In fact, even today in 2009, in many parts of Europe, Asia, South America, Africa, and the Middle East, when a girl has her first menstrual cycle, which is usually around 13-15, she gets married. She is considered ready at that point.

Biologically, she is ready to have a child.

In fact, that is what puberty is all about. The stage when a human is now biologically ready to begin mating. In girls, this means that at puberty, she now begins to become more attractive and SOMETIMES older men will be attracted to an 13-17 year old girl.

It happens, and if you look at it BIOLOGICALLY, it is completely NORMAL. Biologically speaking, the human body WANTS to attract a mate. It is not sick.

It's mainly in the USA that we put a huge stigma on this. As if it's somehow inhuman and 'sick' as you call it, to be aroused. It's just evolution hasn't caught up to our ideas of society.

Just because a woman has reached menarche does not mean that she is ready to bear a child. Most women start their periods BEFORE ages 13-15 in this country, and if you think about the body of an 11 year old girl carrying a fetus to term, it just isn't practical on any level. The hips haven't widened enough, there hasn't been exposure to enough estrogen to make all parts stretchy that need to be stretchy. So no, just because a woman has a period does NOT mean that she is ready to have a child, it means that she CAN.

But at any rate, it shouldn't matter what biology says in this case - Polanski had sex with a 13yo girl, and as long as she was below the age of consent, it is automatically rape. It does not matter what she said, or if she "seduced" him, or if she'd had sex before (which, legally, were previous rapes), what Polanski did was illegal and affected a child, and I have no problem with his crimes catching up to him.

[ChumpDumper]

It does not matter what she saidShe said "no" repeatedly. It's true it doesn't matter if she said "yes" but her saying "no" so many times is significant.

[Jekka]

She said "no" repeatedly. It's true it doesn't matter if she said "yes" but her saying "no" so many times is significant.

It's still the same charge, but I know what you mean. I'm sure it would affect sentencing.

[ChumpDumper]

It's still the same charge, but I know what you mean. I'm sure it would affect sentencing.Right, and if the penalties haven't changed, the very most he would have spent in prison would have been four years for the charge to which he pleaded guilty. Considering the original plea agreement, chances are it would have been much less.

Dude was getting off easy.

[Kermit]

Right, and if the penalties haven't changed, the very most he would have spent in prison would have been four years for the charge to which he pleaded guilty. Considering the original plea agreement, chances are it would have been much less.

Dude was getting off easy.

Yeah. Well, he'll be getting it long and hard in jail now.

[Jacob1983]

The man still needs to own up to what he did. He has never done that. He pussied out on his plea agreement and left America. He should get whatever he was originally going to get and then probably some extra years for fleeing America in order to avoid jail time for his rape charge.

[Bukefal]

Having sex with 13 year old females has been happening for 99% of human history.

In fact, even today in 2009, in many parts of Europe, Asia, South America, Africa, and the Middle East, when a girl has her first menstrual cycle, which is usually around 13-15, she gets married. She is considered ready at that point.

Biologically, she is ready to have a child.

In fact, that is what puberty is all about. The stage when a human is now biologically ready to begin mating. In girls, this means that at puberty, she now begins to become more attractive and SOMETIMES older men will be attracted to an 13-17 year old girl.

It happens, and if you look at it BIOLOGICALLY, it is completely NORMAL. Biologically speaking, the human body WANTS to attract a mate. It is not sick.

It's mainly in the USA that we put a huge stigma on this. As if it's somehow inhuman and 'sick' as you call it, to be aroused. It's just evolution hasn't caught up to our ideas of society.

It is..... so you think its ok for a 40 year old to have sex with a 13 year old? WTF?!

And dont come with the argument that historically it has happened, thats no argument. The crusade did also happen, killing people for nothing also happened, does that makes it right?

[Kermit]

The man still needs to own up to what he did. He has never done that. He pussied out on his plea agreement and left America. He should get whatever he was originally going to get and then probably some extra years for fleeing America in order to avoid jail time for his rape charge.

He owned up and pled guilty. His plea agreement was agreed to by judge and prosecutor to prevent it from going to trial and sparing the girl. He settled with her. The judge, either under pressure or for the sake of celebrity, shit on the agreement, made a mockery of the court (according to both the prosecuter and the defense attorney) and homeboy jetted. As Chump pointed out, the judge had a right to change his mind, but Roman knew he was about to get it and jumped. He was originally going to get 90 days in jail. But yeah, I'm sure he's going to get something tacked on. The display of support from Hollywood is fucking disgusting though.

[rjv]

after reading this thread i can only come to one conclusion: i sure hope miami heat never has any children (or ever works with them).

[MiamiHeat]

That's the consequence of trying to teach sheeple. They immediately judge you and put their fingers in their ears.

[rjv]

That's the consequence of trying to teach sheeple. They immediately judge you and put their fingers in their ears.

and the consequence of internet sarcasm is that some posters get a bit too sensitive to it.

although i must admit that my sarcasm was driven to an extent by some of your rather unorthodox posts.

[Bukefal]

That's the consequence of trying to teach sheeple. They immediately judge you and put their fingers in their ears.

I just dont agree with you, I took your argument down and I just told you that I think its sick. And still, I have none of my fingers in one of my ears :lol

[MiamiHeat]

It's scientific fact.

Why do you think the pornography industry rakes in billions of dollars through the 'teen' venue? "18 and legal" or whatever, "Barely 18" etc... whatever.

Those are adult dollars buying that. Women who look young and healthy, innocent and clean, are the most successful pornography businesses. Look it up.

It's a biological fact that many women reach a peak around 15-21 years of age. That is when their body is at it's sexual peak to attract a male. It is not uncommon for women to marry at 15, even today.

There is nothing "sick" about it when you think of it in BIOLOGICAL and EVOLUTIONARY terms.

However, it's illegal in the USA to act upon an attraction, and that is what Polanski screwed up on. I am only saying that the attraction itself is normal.

And also, teenagers are not children. Children, technically, is considered to be 0-12 years old. A child is someone who has not reached sexual maturity yet, also known as puberty. However, the United States legal system defines a child as anyone under 18 years old, which again, is a product of the USA.

[MiamiHeat]

I just dont agree with you, I took your argument down and I just told you that I think its sick. And still, I have none of my fingers in one of my ears :lol

I was talking about rjjv, he said something about me.

that post wasn't referring to you ;p There was nothing wrong with your response to me, I thought it was good. I was getting ready to reply to you.

[MiamiHeat]

It is..... so you think its ok for a 40 year old to have sex with a 13 year old? WTF?!

And dont come with the argument that historically it has happened, thats no argument. The crusade did also happen, killing people for nothing also happened, does that makes it right?

Age of consent in Japan is 13 years old. Spain, Korea also 13 years old. The median age of consent in the world is 16. Even in the USA, there are several states where the age of consent for sexual activities is 16.

There are many countries like this. They don't make a big deal about sex as we do here in the USA.

You do understand that, biologically speaking, there is nothing sick about being attracted to a teenager? Polanski comes from Europe. They see things differently than we do here.

However, it is imperative to ALWAYS RESPECT THE LAWS of the country you live in.

[Bigzax]

he should have fucked her in japan then.

i'm glad this pos is going to pay the price. better late than never.

[rjv]

It's scientific fact.

Why do you think the pornography industry rakes in billions of dollars through the 'teen' venue? "18 and legal" or whatever, "Barely 18" etc... whatever.

Those are adult dollars buying that. Women who look young and healthy, innocent and clean, are the most successful pornography businesses. Look it up.

It's a biological fact that many women reach a peak around 15-21 years of age. That is when their body is at it's sexual peak to attract a male. It is not uncommon for women to marry at 15, even today.

There is nothing "sick" about it when you think of it in BIOLOGICAL and EVOLUTIONARY terms.

However, it's illegal in the USA to act upon an attraction, and that is what Polanski screwed up on. I am only saying that the attraction itself is normal.

And also, teenagers are not children. Children, technically, is considered to be 0-12 years old. A child is someone who has not reached sexual maturity yet, also known as puberty. However, the United States legal system defines a child as anyone under 18 years old, which again, is a product of the USA.

this is not about biological definitions. it is about the law. statutory rape laws were constructed to place limitations on adults seeking to influence their power over youth as well as to protect less experienced and more emotionally vulnerable individuals from certain age groups from others in older age groups. child molesters do not seek out adults for a reason. adults are far less vulnerable. in fact, individuals under the age of 18 are the most sexually exploited age group not just in the US but also in the world. and offenders are impisoned throughout the world so spare me the 18th century nihilism of le marquis de sade or the antiquated deconstructionalism of puritan ethics.

the psychological impact of a younger individual used for sexual profit in any context can be life long. there are more than merely the moral principles of pious sects involved in the impetus for statutory laws.

not that there is anything wrong with societies using ethics and morality for the basis of its laws.

http://www.sayno.eu/

[Whisky Dog]

If Plaxico Burress got 2 yrs for accidentally shooting himself with his own gun imagine what they would have done to him if he did this to a poor little white girl!

I think 13 is too young for normal sexual attraction. Most females aren't developed quite enough for that by 13. More like 15 to 16 is when they hit that stage. Still, just because you're physically attracted to a 13 to 16 yr old doesn't make it right to follow through. What are we, apes?

[SAGambler]

Following his indictment on various sex charges, Polanski agreed to a plea deal that spared him prison time (he had spent about 45 days in jail during a court-ordered psychiatric evaluation). But when it seemed that a Superior Court judge might not honor the deal--and sentence Polanski to prison--the director fled the country.

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He was already given a plea deal and he accepted it.

Some overzealous judge decided to REFUSE TO HONOR AN ALREADY ESTABLISHED PLEA BARGAIN.

That's why he fled.

You do know a judge is not "bound" to honor a "plea deal" between the DA and the defendant, don't you? If the judge thinks the plea deal doesn't dispense justice for the crime committed, he can tell the DA and the defendant to go to hell. At that time the defendant can withdraw his guilty plea, and have a trial, if he so wishes.

[MiamiHeat]

If Plaxico Burress got 2 yrs for accidentally shooting himself with his own gun imagine what they would have done to him if he did this to a poor little white girl!

I think 13 is too young for normal sexual attraction. Most females aren't developed quite enough for that by 13. More like 15 to 16 is when they hit that stage. Still, just because you're physically attracted to a 13 to 16 yr old doesn't make it right to follow through. What are we, apes?

LOL plaxico would have been hung by his toes over a fire. lmao

Yeah, I said that too. It's CRITICAL that everyone follow the laws of the country they are in.

Once Polanski goes back to spain or europe or whatever, then he can go do it cause it's legal there. but not here.

[MiamiHeat]

You do know a judge is not "bound" to honor a "plea deal" between the DA and the defendant, don't you? If the judge thinks the plea deal doesn't dispense justice for the crime committed, he can tell the DA and the defendant to go to hell. At that time the defendant can withdraw his guilty plea, and have a trial, if he so wishes.

It's true what you say, that the judge is within his/her legal right to overrule the plea bargain. However, It is a violation of ethics code. The State attorney's office thought it sufficient to offer that plea bargain. There must have been a reason they offered that plea bargain. The Judge should not have interfered.

[JMarkJohns]

It's true what you say, that the judge is within his/her legal right to overrule the plea bargain. However, It is a violation of ethics code. The State attorney's office thought it sufficient to offer that plea bargain. There must have been a reason they offered that plea bargain. The Judge should not have interfered.

It is not a violation of the ethics code. The deal is between the attorneys. Before the sentence is handed down, the Judge has the right o determine if the deal meets the standards of justice.

I've heard from the current DA that in 1977, the standard plea for a crime like this was 16 months to 3 years IN PRISON. Not 42 days in jail. It seems the lawyers negotiating the deal were far more star-struck than the judge who recognized the woefully inadequate sentence to the deal and attempted to remedy as best he could within the context of the plea deal.

Instead of 42 days in jail, Polanski was to be sentenced to 90 days in prison.

Still inadequate, but hardly a sentence to flea the country for. Sure, he could have withdrawn a guilty plea and gone to trial to contest the extended woefully inadequate sentence, but he probably would have lost and been sent to prison for a far greater period of time.

I've discussed the actions of this judge with my father, a one-time Arizona Prosecutor Of The Year. He said the judge had every right to do what he did. According to the standards of the day, Polanski was hardly even getting a slap on the wrist. The judge obviously, for whatever reasons, knew the inadequacy of the sentence and acted WELL WITHIN his rights.

[Bukefal]

Age of consent in Japan is 13 years old. Spain, Korea also 13 years old. The median age of consent in the world is 16. Even in the USA, there are several states where the age of consent for sexual activities is 16.

There are many countries like this. They don't make a big deal about sex as we do here in the USA.

You do understand that, biologically speaking, there is nothing sick about being attracted to a teenager? Polanski comes from Europe. They see things differently than we do here.

However, it is imperative to ALWAYS RESPECT THE LAWS of the country you live in.

Well Im from Europe too and its not normal here. First, I dont get and dont understand how you can be attracted to a 13 year old when you are 40 years old, that's sick. Second, to actually be attracted to such a young girl and also even have sex with her, that's even more sick and wrong.

So, what you are saying is, if you do it in USA its not normal, but if you do it in Japan its different? The act stays the same, no matter where you do it, its wrong. Its not about the respecting of laws, its about something which is just not done, not good, not appropriate.

[SAGambler]

It's true what you say, that the judge is within his/her legal right to overrule the plea bargain. However, It is a violation of ethics code. The State attorney's office thought it sufficient to offer that plea bargain. There must have been a reason they offered that plea bargain. The Judge should not have interfered.

If anyone violated any "ethics codes" in this case, it was the prosecuting attorney and the DA's office. They are in place to get justice for the victim, not make deals with someone who is famous. Judges job is to make sure that happens, while not violating any defendants rights.

I was alive and grown when this happened, and at that time I doubt you could have found 10 people in this country that didn't think he should have done at least 50 years in prison. Even the people in Lala land. But now, so many make "excuses" for him. My, how times have changed.

[CuckingFunt]

However, it's illegal in the USA to act upon an attraction, and that is what Polanski screwed up on.

You're completely ignoring the issue of consent. Drugging someone in order to have sex and/or taking advantage of someone who is already inebriated makes consent problematic, even without taking anyone's age into account.

That being said, I'm a firm believer in victim's rights. If she wants to the whole thing dropped so that she doesn't have to keep reliving it, I think it should be.

[Dark Gable]

He is sick.

[MiamiHeat]

She took the qualude herself. He didn't drug her.

However, I think a case could be made that, since he is the adult and provided the pills, that he could be technically the one who 'drugged her'

I don't know how the legal system would define that, really.

[chester's son]

This thread hits to close to home.

[MiamiHeat]

It is not a violation of the ethics code. The deal is between the attorneys. Before the sentence is handed down, the Judge has the right o determine if the deal meets the standards o.

You do not have to sentence someone within the boundaries of the statute. Just because the law says that this crime carries a 12 month to 3 year prison sentence, does not mean that you go to prison for at least 12 months. The court can sentence you to 30 days in jail if they want to. It is up to the discretion of the prosecutor and Judge.

How do you know the prosecutor was star struck? Where did you get this information?

Just so you know, back in 1977, the crime he was charged with was "unlawful sex with a minor" and that was not nearly as serious as it is today.

[SAGambler]

You're completely ignoring the issue of consent. Drugging someone in order to have sex and/or taking advantage of someone who is already inebriated makes consent problematic, even without taking anyone's age into account.

That being said, I'm a firm believer in victim's rights. If she wants to the whole thing dropped so that she doesn't have to keep reliving it, I think it should be.

The problem there, is that it isn't up to her. Once she made the complaint, he was arrested and charged and plead guilty, and then fled, it was really out of her hands. Now he is a fugitive of the courts, and that is entirely different from the original charge. He should have just done what little time they were going to give him, and got on with it. He could have spent his time in prison working on another film that would have made him a few million more.

And we wouldn't even be talking about it 40 years later.

[Slomo]

Having sex with 13 year old females has been happening for 99% of human history.

In fact, even today in 2009, in many parts of Europe...

Name one.

[MiamiHeat]

I already did.

[hater]

I already did.

have you had sex with a 13 year old?

[Imposter]

lol @ miamiheat. jesus, just how many 7th graders have you fucked man? you should overly defensive and guilty.

[MiamiHeat]

I have only had sex with 1 woman my whole life, my wife. and we were both over 18, so no.

[hater]

I have only had sex with 1 woman my whole life, my wife. and we were both over 18, so no.

so if you would have had the chance to have sex with a 13 year old. would you have done it?

[SAGambler]

You do not have to sentence someone within the boundaries of the statute. Just because the law says that this crime carries a 12 month to 3 year prison sentence, does not mean that you go to prison for at least 12 months. The court can sentence you to 30 days in jail if they want to. It is up to the discretion of the prosecutor and Judge.

How do you know the prosecutor was star struck? Where did you get this information?

Just so you know, back in 1977, the crime he was charged with was "unlawful sex with a minor" and that was not nearly as serious as it is today.

Is that what he was "charged" with, or was that what he plead guilty to? Those can well be two different things.

When I lived in San Berdo, in 1973, I was "charged" with DWI. I plead guilty to reckless driving. 50 bucks for the lawyer and 50 bucks for the fine. You see, a plea bargain always favors the defendant, never the victim.

[MiamiHeat]

Name one.

Spain.

and then there are many who have the age of consent at 14.

Germany
Cyprus
Croatia
Bulgaria
Bosnia and Hezgevonia
Austria
Albania
Hungary
Italy
Kosovo
Portugal

[MiamiHeat]

so if you would have had the chance to have sex with a 13 year old. would you have done it?

Why are you making this about me?

Ad hominem. Stay on topic. My personal views or experiences have no bearing with my argument.

[hater]

Why are you making this about me?

Ad hominem. Stay on topic. My personal views or experiences have no bearing with my argument.

yet they do. way to dodge my question.

[MiamiHeat]

Is that what he was "charged" with, or was that what he plead guilty to? Those can well be two different things.

When I lived in San Berdo, in 1973, I was "charged" with DWI. I plead guilty to reckless driving. 50 bucks for the lawyer and 50 bucks for the fine. You see, a plea bargain always favors the defendant, never the victim.

I had to go look it up, but apparently I was incorrect. He wasn't charged with that. He only had that 'unlawful sex with a minor' charge in his plea bargain.

"Polanski was initially charged with rape by use of drugs, perversion, sodomy, lewd and lascivious act upon a child under 14, and furnishing a controlled substance (methaqualone) to a minor. These charges were dismissed under the terms of his plea bargain, and he pleaded guilty to the lesser charge of engaging in unlawful sexual intercourse with a minor"

[SAGambler]

She took the qualude herself. He didn't drug her.

However, I think a case could be made that, since he is the adult and provided the pills, that he could be technically the one who 'drugged her'

I don't know how the legal system would define that, really.


Well, it's pretty simple. If I am a bartender, and I serve alcohol to a 13 year old, I'm probably going to be in cuffs. And that's just the beginning.

[Slomo]

I already did.

You're oversimplifying it.

While most European countries have the age of consent between 14 and 17 years (Spain in fact 13), there are many bylaws stipulating for whom and under which circumstances that age applies.
The purpose of those are to protect young kids from adult predators.
But strictly speaking you are correct - you would still get in a lot of trouble in most European countries for doing what Polanski did.

Polanski got off easy because he is who he is and as I said when Jackson died. You may chose to believe his innocence but do not try to excuse his acts because of who he is/was.

[MiamiHeat]

oh, I am not excusing his acts at all. He f'ed up and he broke the law in the USA. He is going to get 50 years in prison now. He won't make another movie ever again

[Kermit]

I totally fucking forgot. Apparently, Roman was done with his sentence and they were waiting for the pysch exam to come back which would seal the deal and the sordid affair. Dumbass went out and was photographed with some underage girls. Judge got super pissed, ordered him back to jail, and the rest is history. Sorry to put any blame on the judge. My bad.

[MiamiHeat]

If Polanski wanted to hang out with younger females, he should have taken his butt back to europe. Gotta follow the laws of the country you are in

[Kermit]

It's not smart to fuck with a judge's leniency.

[SAGambler]

oh, I am not excusing his acts at all. He f'ed up and he broke the law in the USA. He is going to get 50 years in prison now. He won't make another movie ever again

But the guy is already 70 something. If he lives for 15 of those years in prison, he is still a winner. Bought himself 40 years of freedom along with the capacity of making millions and living the life of Riley, while a fugitive from the California courts.

If he had of done the right thing 40 years ago, this would have been behind him, and he could have lived out his golden years knowing he missed a big hit many years ago.

Hell, if his ego wasn't so big that he thought he could go to Switzerland and stayed in his beloved France, he would still be a free man today, because the French have made it crystal clear that they won't extradite him.

[JMarkJohns]

You do not have to sentence someone within the boundaries of the statute. Just because the law says that this crime carries a 12 month to 3 year prison sentence, does not mean that you go to prison for at least 12 months. The court can sentence you to 30 days in jail if they want to. It is up to the discretion of the prosecutor and Judge.

You just said it yourself. The Judge had the power to sentence what he deemed fit the crime, regardless of whatever plea agreement was in place amongst the attorneys.

The original article in this thread says the Judge felt an additional 48 days of prison were what he deemed adequate. So, 90 days of prison total.

Instead of the standards of 16 months to 3 years.

I'd say such was extremely lenient and far more fair for Polanski than the victim.


How do you know the prosecutor was star struck? Where did you get this information?

It's called deductive reasoning. If standards were 16 months to 3 years in prison for no-namers, and the prosecutors agreed to 42 days in jail for Polanski, then my guess is Polanski's name held more weight than the charges for the attorneys.


Just so you know, back in 1977, the crime he was charged with was "unlawful sex with a minor" and that was not nearly as serious as it is today.


The standards of justice I'm citing are for the charge in question. You don't agree, take it up with the current DA of Los Angeles. It's his words I'm citing. He said the standard plea for the charges of Polanski in 1977 as anywhere from 16 months to 3 years in prison.

The judge had every right to do what he did within the context of his office and the standards of justice for the day upon that specific charge. His sentence was a bit harsher, but hardly excessive - and most would say it was still inadequate.

Polanski is a chicken-shit who couldn't man up and face what he'd done. He fled, directly extending the process to today. It's directly a result of his fleeing that has his charges still in the news today.

[MiamiHeat]

Yeah I agree. 90 days of prison, that's it?

He should have done the time and this would have been over.

[Kermit]

It's called deductive reasoning. If standards were 16 months to 3 years in prison for no-namers, and the prosecutors agreed to 42 days in jail for Polanski, then my guess is Polanski's name held more weight than the charges for the attorneys.

The prosecutor gave in to the plea because the victim didn't want a trial and wasn't going to testify. From watching the doc, dude was a pitbull but he didn't have much of a choice. After the pics of Roman and some underage girls surfaced, Wells (the prosecutor) went to the judge and told him that if looked like the judge was getting "flipped off" which led directly to Roman fleeing.

[JMarkJohns]

The prosecutor gave in to the plea because the victim didn't want a trial and wasn't going to testify. From watching the doc, dude was a pitbull but he didn't have much of a choice. After the pics of Roman and some underage girls surfaced, Wells (the prosecutor) went to the judge and told him that if looked like the judge was getting "flipped off" which led directly to Roman fleeing.

Thanks for the better context. Wasn't one of the reasons for the girl not testifying in court that she didn't to create negative opinions of her mom, who was the one that pushed the daughter into that lifestyle in hopes of future fame? Obviously the mom never wanted the daughter to be drugged and forcibly raped/sodomized, and thus the protection of her mother, even to this day.

[MiamiHeat]

Doesn't matter though

By the age of 13, before she met polanski

she had already been drunk, had sex twice, and had experience with drugs.

[JMarkJohns]

she had already been drunk, had sex twice, and had experience with drugs.

Fine. Such a life doesn't mean anyone is deserving of future rape, nor does it justify the rapist.

She was worldly, largely because of her mom pushing into the biz. When the shit hit the fan, she testified she said NO and Polanski forced himself upon her every which way regardless.

[rjv]

Doesn't matter though

By the age of 13, before she met polanski

she had already been drunk, had sex twice, and had experience with drugs.

all this suggests is that you had a child spinning out of control. her mother seems to be somewhat cupable here as well putting her in an environment where wolves like polanski could have such easy pickings.

[Kermit]

all this suggests is that you had a child spinning out of control. her mother seems to be somewhat cupable here as well putting her in an environment where wolves like polanski could have such easy pickings.

Yeah, but her mother trusted him. She allowed him into her home. It's not like she knew that he was a pedo. She hoped that he would help her daughter in the biz. A lot of 13 year olds have sex, for better or worse. A lot of them take drugs. The fact that she did both before the rape has no effect on the circumstances. I invite anyone to read the grand jury testimony. It's easy to try and put blame on the mother, but I don't and I can totally see Samantha Geimer wanting to protect her JMark.

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/polanskicover1.html

[DoubtingThomas]

There is no doubt this guy has issues.

[Bukefal]

Spain.

and then there are many who have the age of consent at 14.

Germany
Cyprus
Croatia
Bulgaria
Bosnia and Hezgevonia
Austria
Albania
Hungary
Italy
Kosovo
Portugal

That's BS. In Europe its not normal to have sex with 13 year old girls when you are 40. And in all those countries you named its even more strange and sick to have sex with 13 year olds.

[rjv]

Yeah, but her mother trusted him. She allowed him into her home. It's not like she knew that he was a pedo. She hoped that he would help her daughter in the biz. A lot of 13 year olds have sex, for better or worse. A lot of them take drugs. The fact that she did both before the rape has no effect on the circumstances. I invite anyone to read the grand jury testimony. It's easy to try and put blame on the mother, but I don't and I can totally see Samantha Geimer wanting to protect her JMark.

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/polanskicover1.html

i am not saying the mother is a party responsible for blame here but i do believe that she was not doing a good job of parenting if she had a 13 year old taking drugs and having sex at such a young age . all that and the mother still decides to have her daughter trying to make it into a society that is renowned for having those in it lose control of their lives.

[Jacob1983]

Just because something is legal and/or is common and not frowned up in a certain country does not mean that it's perfectly okay and not wrong in other countries.

[rjv]

Just because something is legal and/or is common and not frowned up in a certain country does not mean that it's perfectly okay and not wrong in other countries.

true. some of the countries on the list of those who have 12 years old as the age of consent also have some very barbaric traditions regarding children still in place.

[CavsSuperFan]

This has got to be one of the most disturbing threads of all time…The details of the sexual assault & the accusations (by some), that a 13 year old girl was partially responsible for this heinous act…The French newspapers have called her Lolita…Now Woody Allen and Martin Scorsese are screaming to Free Roman Polanski! (http://www.eonline.com/uberblog/b146499_woody_allen_martin_scorsese_free_roman.htm l?utm_source=eonline&utm_medium=rssfeeds&utm_campaign=rss_topstories)How perverse can things get?


http://www.eonline.com/uberblog/b146499_woody_allen_martin_scorsese_free_roman.htm l?utm_source=eonline&utm_medium=rssfeeds&utm_campaign=rss_topstories

[JMarkJohns]

This has got to be one of the most disturbing threads of all time…The details of the sexual assault & the accusations (by some), that a 13 year old girl was partially responsible for this heinous act…The French newspapers have called her Lolita…Now Woody Allen and Martin Scorsese are screaming to Free Roman Polanski! (http://www.eonline.com/uberblog/b146499_woody_allen_martin_scorsese_free_roman.htm l?utm_source=eonline&utm_medium=rssfeeds&utm_campaign=rss_topstories)How perverse can things get?


http://www.eonline.com/uberblog/b146499_woody_allen_martin_scorsese_free_roman.htm l?utm_source=eonline&utm_medium=rssfeeds&utm_campaign=rss_topstories

Agreed. What part of, "I said no, no, no, I don't want to do this" makes her a Lolita? Because her mom thought Polanski someone who could help get her into movies? Because she was OK with being photographed? The peripherals of those excusing Polanski are as disgusting as the specifics of the case.

"Shame, and eternal shame... Nothing but shame."
- Bourbon, "Henry V"

[Kermit]

the woody allen thing keeps cracking me up.