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2Cleva
09-28-2009, 01:22 PM
2009-10 Forecast: Los Angeles Lakers
By John Hollinger
ESPN.com
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HOLLINGER'S '08-09 STATS
W-L: 65-17 (Pythagorean W-L: 63-19)
Offensive Efficiency: 109.8 (3rd)
Defensive Efficiency: 101.9 (5th)
Pace Factor: 96.7 (7th)
Highest PER: Kobe Bryant (24.46)

2008-09 Recap

Is there an opposite of "team of destiny"? The Los Angeles Lakers won 65 regular-season games and needed five games in the NBA Finals to cruise to the championship, but at no time did it feel preordained. In fact, for much of their playoff run the focus was more on the Lakers' problems -- the struggles of Andrew Bynum and Derek Fisher, the lack of toughness that derailed them a year earlier against the Boston Celtics, and a couple of woeful efforts in the second round against Houston.

And despite the white-hot spotlight that glared on the league's most popular team, Boston and the Cleveland Cavaliers stole a lot of the Lakers' limelight during the regular season. For their part, the Lakers didn't really look like champions until the fifth game of the conference finals … at which point they won six out of their next seven to storm to the crown.

The Lakers also threw us off their championship scent with an embarrassing showing in Games 4 and 6 of the Houston Rockets series. Despite playing without Yao Ming, Houston exposed every L.A. weakness -- complacency, softness, lack of quickness at the point guard spot, and shot selection in the backcourt -- en route to a pair of lopsided wins.

In a way, perhaps the Lakers should thank the Rockets. Seeing such a harsh light shone on those weaknesses seemed to compel L.A. to address them, and the sloppy play magically cleaned itself up over the final month. Shannon Brown cemented the guard rotation, Kobe Bryant and Derek Fisher stopped forcing the action, and the Lakers benefited from not having to face a point guard with Aaron Brooks' quickness the rest of the postseason.

Additionally, history should have taught us that second-round struggles are a common problem for eventual champions. As I noted at the time, the Lakers are the seventh straight champion to hit a major speed bump in the second round, and surviving those scrapes seemed to propel them toward the championship rather than slow their progress.

That was certainly the case for L.A. But before it could reach that point, a number of events needed to happen to push them to 65 wins and a top seed in the Western Conference. For starters, Lamar Odom accepted a bench role, moving from small forward to power forward in the process. That move netted two huge, positive effects for the Lakers. First, it allowed L.A. to use a devastating three-man frontcourt rotation of Gasol, Bynum and Odom that few opponents could battle. Second, it permitted Trevor Ariza -- filched from Orlando in a trade the previous season -- to move into the starting lineup and solidify the small forward spot.

Less well documented is perhaps the greatest salary dump in franchise history. The Lakers are more renowned for accumulating payroll than shedding it, but it was their divestment of the Vladimir Radmanovic mistake that reaped rewards this time. Guard Shannon Brown, included as a throw-in from Charlotte, provided much-needed stability as a backcourt reserve and hit some huge shots in the playoffs -- most notably when he turned the tide in the crucial Game 5 of the conference finals with an earth-shattering third-quarter dunk.

Brown's addition helped the Lakers overcome two major disappointments -- the off year from Jordan Farmar and the inability of Bynum to come back at full strength from a midseason injury.

Slated as the heir apparent to Fisher at the point, Farmar suffered a nightmare season and was largely out of the rotation by the playoffs. As for Bynum, he played extremely well early in the season, a performance that made L.A. notably stronger at the defensive end over the first half of the season. But for the second year in a row a midseason knee injury threw him off stride. While he returned in the postseason, Bynum proved ineffective until the Finals and never regained the All-Star caliber form he'd shown earlier in the season.

The fact L.A. won the title despite huge setbacks from its two most prominent young players is a testament to the depth and quality of the Lakers' talent. With Bryant and Gasol, the Lakers were a fearsome offensive team even when others struggled, as evidenced by their third-place finish in offensive efficiency.

Unusually for a dominant offensive team, L.A. wasn't particularly good at long-range shooting. The Lakers nailed only 36.1 percent of their 3-pointers, a bit below the league average, and didn't attempt the shot with great frequency.

Instead, L.A. overwhelmed its opposition two points at a time. L.A. claimed the league's fifth-lowest turnover rate and, thanks to the size advantage in the frontcourt, it's third-best offensive rebound rate. As a result, only two teams averaged more shot attempts per possession. Additionally, they were potent shooters inside the arc -- L.A. converted 50.5 percent of its two-point shots, again finishing third in the league. While primarily an offensive team, the Lakers demonstrated an improved defense as well. They ranked fifth in defensive efficiency, with exquisite 3-point defense being their primary calling card.

The Lakers held opponents to only 34.5 percent shooting from the arc, which was the third-best mark in the NBA. They further amplified the impact by convincing opponents to fire from distance -- only three teams allowed a higher rate of 3-pointers per field-goal attempt. While normally that's a bad sign, because L.A. defended the 3 so well, it turned into a positive. In fact, their opposition had a better true shooting percentage inside the arc, which is unusual.

This appeared to be part of a larger defensive strategy by L.A. -- they'd let opponents fire 3s off the dribble on pick-and-rolls, and keep their big men back to protect the basket. Some quick guards were able to take advantage, but many opponents shot themselves out of the game trying. Like most of Phil Jackson's gambits, it worked, and as a result he won a record-setting 10th championship. That wouldn't have shocked anybody if you'd told them before the season, but for much of the spring it seemed they were on a very different path.

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Offseason Moves

It's a bit much to call the Lakers fiscally "conservative" -- they're probably going to have the league's highest payroll this season, and their willingness to shell out $15 million more in luxury tax was what made the 2008 heist of Pau Gasol possible.

But for a world champion team that is pulling in revenue by the fistful, L.A. definitely shows caution with marginal payroll increases. In addition to last winter's salary dumps of Radmanovic and Chris Mihm, the Lakers held the line in contract negotiations with three rotation players this summer and avoided trades that would take on additional salary.

Let Trevor Ariza go, signed Ron Artest for five years, $34 million. This was the biggest role of the dice in the Lakers' summer. They didn't want to pay Ariza more than the midlevel exception and turned to Artest when they couldn't agree on a deal with Ariza. While the risk of paying Artest for five years is huge -- nobody knows what he'll do five minutes from now, let alone five years -- L.A.'s willingness to venture into the tax makes it better able to withstand the risk than most. (Technically, the deal is three years, $18 million with an opt-in for the final two seasons, but that's semantics -- it's highly unlikely Artest will decide to leave after the third year.)

The Lakers also benefit in a couple of other ways from this deal. First, Artest is capable of playing the 4, which adds to the Lakers' lineup options. Second, he's a much better spot-up shooter than Ariza -- Artest hit 39.9 percent on 3s last season, while Ariza is at 29.9 percent for his career. Ariza's hot shooting from the corners in the playoffs last season convinced some people that he's a good long-range threat, but history says he's not.

Obviously, this comes with some risks, too. Artest is half a decade older than Ariza, isn't nearly as good a finisher, and may submarine the offense if he isn't willing to become L.A's fourth option. And of course, he's Ron Artest. But the Lakers weren't likely to repeat if they stood pat given the arms race going on in the East, and Artest is unquestionably the league's most qualified player to defend LeBron James one-on-one -- a salient point given the likelihood of facing Cleveland in the Finals.

Re-signed Shannon Brown for two years, $4 million. This was a fair value deal for a great bench energizer in last season's playoff run. Brown had never played well before so he couldn't command the salary he might have as a more proven quantity, but he's a solid insurance policy against flameouts by Fisher and/or Farmar.

Re-signed Lamar Odom for four years, $33 million. This was unquestionably the biggest story of the summer in L.A., as the two sides briefly walked away from the negotiating table when the Lakers wouldn't meet Odom's number. This would have proven hugely costly if Odom had been willing to relocate, because L.A. had no way to replace his spot under the salary cap rules. Fortunately, it turned out to be a great poker move by the Lakers. Odom loves Southern California and desperately wanted to return, so he ended up agreeing to a very favorable deal for L.A. The fourth year is a team option at a lower number than the first three, giving the Lakers a great deal of salary flexibility as they move into the future.

Drafted Chinemelu Elonu. The late second-round choice was a stow-away pick and is almost certainly headed for Europe. His name is better than his game -- he's a project forward who may be heard from in a couple years, if ever.


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Biggest Strength: Frontcourt

Sure, they have Kobe Bryant, and that's enough of an advantage on many nights. But the advantage that doesn't get enough attention is the Lakers' size and quality up front. A lot of teams just can't deal with L.A. because of the size of Bynum and Gasol up front. Bynum is the big bruiser who occupies the opponent's biggest post defender, with the Lakers frequently using him to register first-quarter body blows in the post before turning things over to Bryant and Gasol.

Although Bynum's presence often forces Gasol to play away from the basket, it also allows the 7-footer to feast on size mismatches against smaller 4s. Additionally, it spares Gasol the physical pounding of being a full-time center and instead lets him indulge in the finesse game that he plays so well.

And then there's the change of pace with Odom. The few opponents who have the size to deal with Gasol and Bynum rarely have a big man who can match up against Odom farther from the hoop. His ability to take bigger players off the dribble provides an offensive staple for the second unit, and on some nights creates even more mismatches than the Gasol-Bynum starting combo.

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Biggest Weakness: Point Guard

The Lakers are rock solid at four of the five positions, but point guard remains a major question mark. While Fisher righted his ship enough to hit some big shots in the conference finals and NBA Finals, he was brutal for the first half of the playoffs and wouldn't start for most of the league's teams. L.A. was fortunate to avoid quick point guards in the final two rounds last season, but playing in a conference with the likes of Chris Paul and Tony Parker means they may not be spared such a fate in this go-round.

Brown was the best of the Lakers' three point guards in the postseason, but he's also the least accomplished, careerwise, and is more of a 2 than a 1. He's a nice stopgap to have off the bench, but he's nobody's idea of a long-term starter at the spot.

That leaves Farmar, who's undeniably the most talented of the three despite a horrid campaign last season. He's the one Laker with the quickness to defend the speedy guards that give L.A. problems, but he'll have to improve his focus and technique and, above all, he has to make more shots.

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Outlook

Despite the fact that Orlando and Cleveland spent the summer arming up while L.A. largely stood pat, the Lakers have an excellent chance to repeat as champions. They won 65 games and a title a year ago despite Bynum's and Farmar's struggles; if those two recover and the others hold steady, the Lakers could be phenomenal. Bynum, in particular, presents the prospect of a big performance jump if he can just stay on the court for the whole season.

Of course, while other teams would kill to have the Lakers' problems, it's worth noting that they do have some warts. For instance, Bryant is 31 and his free-throw rate dropped precipitously last season, Fisher is 35 and his two backups don't inspire waves of confidence, Bynum has missed nearly as many games as he's played the past two campaigns and Artest is on another planet.

That said, the Lakers are an overwhelming favorite to win the West, especially since the other perennial contenders have fallen off the past two years. I'm projecting them to prevail by a whopping 10 games, so even if some players fall well short of my estimates, they should still finish as the conference's top playoff seed.

For a second year in a row, the Lakers also may benefit from their Finals opponent. Last season they got a break with a Jameer Nelson being hampered for Orlando, after he was one of many quick point guards who riddled the Lakers' defense in the regular season. This time around they may benefit again -- Nelson is back, but I'm projecting Cleveland to meet L.A. in the Finals. With Artest in tow, the Lakers couldn't possibly match up better against the Cavs, which means Phil Jackson may be able to break out his "XI" hat next June.


65-17, first place in Pacific Division, first in Western Conference.

Muser
09-28-2009, 01:46 PM
Farmar is the most talented?

crc21209
09-28-2009, 01:53 PM
The Lakers season lies in the head of Ron Artest, and the marriage of Khloe and Odom now...:lol

nkdlunch
09-28-2009, 01:57 PM
I don't see 3 of top 4 teams in the NBA sustaining major injuries this year. So lakers are not a lock in any form this season.

rjv
09-28-2009, 01:59 PM
That seems more stable than Manu's ankles, or Tim's knees.

always good to hear from the local orthopedic experts.

Allanon
09-28-2009, 02:03 PM
Kobe vs LeBron and Shaq has so many underlying storylines it's too hard for Stern to pass up.

I'll betcha that Stern rigs us a Kobe vs Shaq and the King vs the Rapist Finals.

jazzypimp
09-28-2009, 02:06 PM
I dream of a world where fair basketball is played!! I have a dream!!

nkdlunch
09-28-2009, 02:08 PM
We owned all of those four teams during the regular season. And don't tell me the regular season don't count for shit, because you got your TOTD based solely on that.

truth hurts huh?

Allanon
09-28-2009, 02:09 PM
You may be right Allan, but I want Boston in the worse way.

Yup, there's still alot of unfinished business with them Celtics. I'd love to see the Lakers put a beatdown on the C's.

tlongII
09-28-2009, 02:10 PM
lol lakers

tlongII
09-28-2009, 02:11 PM
We're going to take the Lakers out this coming postseason. Guaransheed.

carrao45
09-28-2009, 02:15 PM
Farmar is the most talented?

More talented than Brown and Fisher.


And yes, if he would play smart and commit himself to defense, he could be a starter for most teams.

Of course he'd have no chence of starting for the Hornets, Jazz, Spurs, Bulls, Celtics, Nets etc.

He defenitely has potential to be the best of the average though

carrao45
09-28-2009, 02:16 PM
I don't see 3 of top 4 teams in the NBA sustaining major injuries this year. So lakers are not a lock in any form this season.

A Spurs fan blaming injuries, how original, how clever:wakeup

Culburn369
09-28-2009, 02:30 PM
Yup, there's still alot of unfinished business with them Celtics. I'd love to see the Lakers put a beatdown on the C's.

Yes, it would transcend this franchise and set Kobe just a smidge behind Jordan. He wouldn't equate MJ, but, it would legitimize the conversation.

Rogue
09-28-2009, 02:45 PM
That seems more stable than Manu's ankles, or Tim's knees.

Son, you're correct in assuming Manu's ankles and Tim's knees are very fragile, even more so than the foot of a certain 7'6 piece of sh*t. But I wouldn't be so cocky, it's our boys in blue that will be taking the trophy home this year.

Chillen
09-28-2009, 02:56 PM
The Lakers will go as far as a healthy Pau Gasol can take them. Artest and Kobe together means a much better defensive ballclub, but Pau Gasol is the Lakers silent MVP. If he doesn't play well or get's injured that will hurt the Lakers chances of repeating signifigantly. On paper they look like a formidable opponent, but will the effect of 2 long NBA seasons come back and bite and will they lose any hunger.

Though until they get dethroned, they have to be the favorites to repeat.

redzero
09-28-2009, 02:56 PM
Yes, it would transcend this franchise and set Kobe just a smidge behind Jordan. He wouldn't equate MJ, but, it would legitimize the conversation.

No it wouldn't. We already know what kind of player Kobe is, and a million rings wouldn't put him in the same sentence as Jordan.

cheguevara
09-28-2009, 03:26 PM
Beno > Kobe

Culburn369
09-28-2009, 04:24 PM
No it wouldn't. We already know what kind of player Kobe is, and a million rings wouldn't put him in the same sentence as Jordan.

red, yer talkin' out of hatred. Deserving or not, if the Lakers were to triumph over Boston it would catapult Bryant into the strastosphere where only Jordan dwells. Media would ride his narrow ass without missing a beat.

iggypop123
09-28-2009, 06:51 PM
we won without health. if all teams are 100% i have nothing to worry about.

bostonguy
09-28-2009, 07:00 PM
Yeah, but on the other hand, seeing him one up Shaq against Shaq would be golden. I still want Boston though.

Boston vs LA needs to happen this year. This story needs closure one way or another.

21_Blessings
09-28-2009, 07:11 PM
Boston vs LA needs to happen this year. This story needs closure one way or another.

Yeah but Kobe vs LeShaq in the finals would be a media frenzy.

Boston can just lose to the Lakers in 2011. Pierce thinks they have a 3 year window :lol anyway.

bostonguy
09-28-2009, 07:18 PM
Yeah but Kobe vs LeShaq in the finals would be a media frenzy.

Boston can just lose to the Lakers in 2011. Pierce thinks they have a 3 year window :lol anyway.


Oh I agree it would be a media frenzy. I just want closure to this Boston/LA story win or lose.
3 year window?:lmao:lmao More like 1 year and that is assuming health and age are kind to these old vets.

Culburn369
09-28-2009, 08:10 PM
It'd be reminiscent of '84-'85, cept Orlando stepping in twixt '08-'10. Not as dramatic, but, with the advent of the Internet it would be something quite special.

But, as I've said: Kobe would have to rise to a level he has not visited afore. That is the only way they could defeat Boston. He can't do it as he's constructed to this point. The rank & file of Boston know Kobe, there is genuine bad blood there, harbored mostly on the Boston end and it fortifies them and it affects Bryant detrimentally and Boston knows it. If Bryant could excise those demons & vanquish Boston it would be his bridge to legendary status. Gasol holds his hand & steadies him amongst the pedestrians teams ('09 playoffs) but, Gasol is vulnerable & tender as well against Boston.

carrao45
09-28-2009, 08:59 PM
He's right where he belongs.

Right now yes, But thats why i said, if he would play smart and commit to defense. In other words, reach his potential

carrao45
09-28-2009, 09:01 PM
Boston vs LA needs to happen this year. This story needs closure one way or another.

This

LakasRool4eva
09-28-2009, 10:25 PM
Boston vs LA needs to happen this year. This story needs closure one way or another.
We closed that book last year when we won #15.

Goran Dragic
09-28-2009, 10:30 PM
I see ST has a new douche bag Laker fan. Welcome aboard.

bostonguy
09-28-2009, 11:39 PM
We closed that book last year when we won #15.

You closed the book on being able to win it all. All the questions on toughness,hunger,etc you closed the book on.

I want a Celtics/Lakers rematch because there is a feeling of unfinished business. Celts will be seeing a Lakers team that will be nothing like the one they faced in 2008. They won't have the matchup advantages they once had and the Lakers have a player (Artest) that is more than capable of making Paul Pierce's life miserable.

This is not only a chance at revenge for 2008, but also a chance to be the team to shut the Celts window for good. I know Laker fans just want to win the championship regardless of who they play, but I am sure some would love the chance to be the team to end the era of this Celtics team.

024
09-28-2009, 11:46 PM
I see ST has a new douche bag Laker fan. Welcome aboard.
i'm pretty sure they're all just one person with too much time.

Chillen
09-28-2009, 11:57 PM
Kobe>Jordan

Kobe would have not won it all in 2009 without Pau Gasol. Look at your Lakers before the Gasol trade, they were competitive some nights, others not so much. Took the Suns to a game 7 1 year, after the Gasol trade they have dominated the Western conference. If Gasol went down with an injury that would effect your teams title prospects, Gasol is the silent MVP of the Lakers.

DUNCANownsKOBE2
09-29-2009, 12:05 AM
Kobe would have not won it all in 2009 without Pau Gasol. Look at your Lakers before the Gasol trade, they were competitive some nights, others not so much. Took the Suns to a game 7 1 year, after the Gasol trade they have dominated the Western conference. If Gasol went down with an injury that would effect your teams title prospects, Gasol is the silent MVP of the Lakers.


Regardless of who I think is better (and it's Jordan by a mile), this argument makes no sense. Kobe was no more dependent off Gasol in 2009 than MJ was off Pippen for any of his 6 titles. As good as MJ was, he still needed a player as good as Pippen next to him. Can't fault Kobe for needing Gasol.

iggypop123
09-29-2009, 02:14 AM
kobe is not jordan but he is the closest we will ever get

cobbler
09-29-2009, 02:59 AM
Kobe would have not won it all in 2009 without Pau Gasol. Look at your Lakers before the Gasol trade, they were competitive some nights, others not so much. Took the Suns to a game 7 1 year, after the Gasol trade they have dominated the Western conference. If Gasol went down with an injury that would effect your teams title prospects, Gasol is the silent MVP of the Lakers.

This is about as lame a comment as it gets. There is no doubt Gasol was an important piece in the Laker championship... but how quickly you forget all the bashing he took only one year earlier for being so soft and costing the Lakers the championship against the Celts.

Are you forgetting Fisher, Farmar, and Brown replacing Smush Parker, Aron McKie, and Shammond Williams at PG? Removing the defensive turnsile Radmonivitch? Bringing in Ariza for Maurice Evans and Brian Cook?

Then to go on and say if a top 3 player on a team going down would impact title hopes as if it is some kind of news that any moron couldnt figure out is pure comedy.

IronMexican
09-29-2009, 03:03 AM
We closed that book last year when we won #15.

No way this is a serious poster.

2Cleva
09-29-2009, 06:42 AM
I want LA vs Bos.

Talk that the team would lose motivation? Please. No way in hell Phil or Kobe lets that happen. Their record speaks for itself.

Hell, the root of the Shaq and Kobe issues is because after Bling 1 Shaq got lazy and Kobe got hungrier.

Def Rowe
09-29-2009, 07:16 AM
baTurbG4v-8

Culburn369
09-29-2009, 08:51 AM
The Celtics present the lone lethal contender for the Lakers. Everybody else is manageable and can be prepared for with stout confidence by the Laker organization.

Kobe's instigation of verbal hostilities with Allen (Seattle days)/Garnett (Minnesota days) fuels the Celtic's roster. It's not for public dissemination...just meted out in public humiliation in the '08 Finals. This is on Bryant. He targeted whilst in the safety of the triple & Daddy and now he's the target. They're intimating him to intimidate Gasol and the others. It's sound strategy.

Our '09 Championship means nothing in the eyes of Boston. Only Houston was competent in our path to the point of their injuries. Everybody else was compromised before we ever got to them.

2Cleva
09-29-2009, 09:40 AM
You're trying too hard.

Culburn369
09-29-2009, 09:58 AM
You're trying too hard.

& I genuinely hope you're right, Clev.

Because if I'm right,,,I don't believe we can get there.

mingus
09-29-2009, 10:02 AM
my weather prognostication for LA: the Spurs will make it rain.

Morg1411
09-29-2009, 03:54 PM
red, yer talkin' out of hatred. Deserving or not, if the Lakers were to triumph over Boston it would catapult Bryant into the strastosphere where only Jordan dwells. Media would ride his narrow ass without missing a beat.

Let's hope for the sake of all that is decent that doesn't happen. I'd hate for such a great sport to be soiled by more purple and gold faggotry.

LakeShow
09-29-2009, 03:56 PM
boston vs la needs to happen this year. This story needs closure one way or another.

+1

mingus
09-29-2009, 06:15 PM
i expect the best post season since i started watching the NBA this season.

bostonguy
09-29-2009, 08:36 PM
The Celtics present the lone lethal contender for the Lakers. Everybody else is manageable and can be prepared for with stout confidence by the Laker organization.

Kobe's instigation of verbal hostilities with Allen (Seattle days)/Garnett (Minnesota days) fuels the Celtic's roster. It's not for public dissemination...just meted out in public humiliation in the '08 Finals. This is on Bryant. He targeted whilst in the safety of the triple & Daddy and now he's the target. They're intimating him to intimidate Gasol and the others. It's sound strategy.

Our '09 Championship means nothing in the eyes of Boston. Only Houston was competent in our path to the point of their injuries. Everybody else was compromised before we ever got to them.

This team isnt the 2008 team anymore. We dont have a James Posey off the bench. Pierce won't get the luxary of facing Walton/Vlad anymore. He will have to deal with a guy who has the body built to make Pierce's life hell in Artest. The Gasol with testicles is going to give Boston trouble. I am a Celts fan and even I know the matchup advantage is in the Lakers favor now.

bostonguy
09-29-2009, 08:41 PM
Not the same team. No Sam, PJ, Posey, or Powe. The intimidation factor is gone, and we proved that last season when the C's were playing their best ball. And don't think capping that 10 for PJ meant nothing.

As wierd as this may sound, I agree with you. The Celts were on kickass winning streaks playing at a high level. Then both streaks were snapped at the hands of the Lakers. It wasn't just the streaks being snapped that made it evident, it was how the Celts played after those games. They slumped. They wanted to win both of those regular season matchups pretty bad. I usually don't say regular season games mean much, but seeing how both teams really wanted to win both of these games, that changed my mind.

tlongII
09-29-2009, 09:03 PM
The Lakers are also a veteran team now. The sight of Artest removes any notion of bullying them. Boston had that whole toughness thing going for them in 08. I think both team match up perfectly, and should be a great series come June. See you there buddy.:toast:lol

Too bad you won't be there! :lol

iggypop123
09-29-2009, 10:19 PM
tlong at it again

lennyalderette
09-30-2009, 12:43 AM
man you laker fans dont even think you will have compitition? major competition? your freaking delusional!!!! im a major spurs fan and i realize the lakers are a threat, but if you think the spurs and mavs and portland are going to lay down your very wrong and if its not us im very positive its not going to be the lakers winning the title, most people say boston if both teams are healthy, and for you laker fans who want to meet boston in the finals your really delusional because the lakers do not match up well against them even this year!!! i just want u fans to promise you will be attending this thread after a spurs laker game win or lose

Allanon
09-30-2009, 12:53 AM
man you laker fans dont even think you will have compitition? major competition? your freaking delusional!!!! im a major spurs fan and i realize the lakers are a threat, but if you think the spurs and mavs and portland are going to lay down your very wrong and if its not us im very positive its not going to be the lakers winning the title, most people say boston if both teams are healthy, and for you laker fans who want to meet boston in the finals your really delusional because the lakers do not match up well against them even this year!!! i just want u fans to promise you will be attending this thread after a spurs laker game win or lose

It's not far-fetched to say the Lakers will win the title again this year. The reality is the Lakers are supposed to win, everybody else is a contender.

The Lakers, being the last champs, are "supposed" to win, tThere are 5-6 contenders who have a shot at it.

Of course, things don't always work out as planned but Phil has a good history of defending his rings...if I'm not mistaken, he's never failed to 3-peat.

tlongII
09-30-2009, 01:10 AM
It's not far-fetched to say the Lakers will win the title again this year. The reality is the Lakers are supposed to win, everybody else is a contender.

The Lakers, being the last champs, are "supposed" to win, tThere are 5-6 contenders who have a shot at it.

Of course, things don't always work out as planned but Phil has a good history of defending his rings...if I'm not mistaken, he's never failed to 3-peat.

Yah, well he's going to fail to two-peat this time.

Allanon
09-30-2009, 01:11 AM
Yah, well he's going to fail to two-peat this time.

:lol good luck to you too.

#2!
09-30-2009, 02:48 AM
so many great matchup possibilities for the finals this year. Everyone probably has teams they'd rather face but any combination of lakers/spurs vs. cavs/boston would have great storylines(sorry orlando.lol).

LAvBoston(self-explanatory)
TDvKG(also these teams have great matchups at almost every position)
ShaqvKobe for ring number 5
TDvShaq for ring number 5 and possibly a final answer to the best big man of the era question

can't wait

Edit: not to mention the storylines that will develop throughout the season

21_Blessings
09-30-2009, 03:31 AM
This team isnt the 2008 team anymore. We dont have a James Posey off the bench. Pierce won't get the luxary of facing Walton/Vlad anymore. He will have to deal with a guy who has the body built to make Pierce's life hell in Artest. The Gasol with testicles is going to give Boston trouble. I am a Celts fan and even I know the matchup advantage is in the Lakers favor now.

Instead of Luke Walton and Radmanovic trying to guard Paul Pierce, it'll be Ron Artest all in his grill.

Even then, Bynum being on the floor completely changes the matchup dynamic.