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2Cleva
09-28-2009, 01:24 PM
2009-10 Forecast: San Antonio Spurs
Do the proud but aging Spurs have one more great title run in them? Yes, but only if ...
By John Hollinger
ESPN.com
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2008-09 Recap

HOLLINGER'S '08-09 STATS
W-L: 54-28 (Pythagorean W-L: 54-28)
Offensive Efficiency: 106.2 (T-12th)
Defensive Efficiency: 102.0 (6th)
Pace Factor: 90.4 (27th)
Highest PER: Tim Duncan (24.51)

When Spurs fans look back on the Duncan-era quasi-dynasty, they may very well see 2008-09 as a major transition season. It marked the first time the Spurs couldn't count on the dominance of Duncan and their two other stars, Tony Parker and Manu Ginobili, to rule the West. They required more help, but none was available.

Duncan struggled with knee problems and wasn't his usual dominating self for the latter half of the season, while Ginobili's troublesome ankles cost him 38 games and the entire playoffs. That left Parker to strain under all the heavy lifting, evidenced by his owning the league's fourth-highest usage rate.

Granted, there are five players on the court, so it wasn't just a three-man team. Unfortunately, San Antonio extracted shockingly little from its role players, as age and injuries sabotaged the production of previously reliable weapons. Bruce Bowen finally succumbed to Father Time at age 37, losing his starting job and retiring after the season, while the likes of Fabricio Oberto and Jacque Vaughn also vanished from the scene. Even the veterans who kept producing found themselves taxed -- 36-year-old Michael Finley, for instance, started 77 games and played 30 minutes a night because of the shortcomings of those around him.


As long as Duncan dominated, the Spurs could survive such issues. After lazing out to a 9-8 start, they went 30-9 over the next 39 games, and it appeared they'd finish with a patented San Antonio late-season charge.

But then Duncan's knee problems cropped up -- officially "tendinosis," which is a chronic ailment that may not go away. Duncan kept playing but wasn't up to his usual standard, so the result was an erratic 15-11 finish that dropped the Spurs to the third seed in the Western Conference. Were it not for a last-second 3 by Finley in the final regular-season game, they would have finished outside the conference's top four teams for the first time since drafting Duncan in 1997.

As it was, San Antonio won 54 games because its star trio, even diminished, could still carry them through on many nights. But a tired Spurs team succumbed in five easy games to Dallas in the first round of the playoffs. This was San Antonio's earliest playoff exit since the 2000 first round against Phoenix, when Duncan was hurt.

The Spurs' advanced age and conservative playing style did produce one interesting element, however: Statistically they were a basket of anomalies, one of the truly unique teams in NBA history.

Spurs games were notable for the absence of turnovers, free throws and offensive rebounds by either side, which is a big reason their contests seemed so dull much of the time. The Spurs were savvy and sound enough to keep opponents off the offensive glass and prevent the types of mistakes that lead to free throws, but they weren't athletic enough to do those things themselves either. Similarly, they knew how to take care of the ball offensively, but they didn't have the wheels to create steals on defense.


Rebounding: 2008-09's best defensive, worst offensive
Team Off. Reb Percentage Team Def. Reb Percentage
San Antonio 22.1 San Antonio 78.0
Toronto 24.0 Orlando 75.9
Orlando 24.0 Boston 75.6
New York 24.4 Houston 75.3
Sacramento 24.5 Minnesota 75.0
NBA average 26.7 League average 73.3



Turnovers: 2008-09's best at avoiding, worst at forcing
Team TO Rate Team Opp. TO Rate
San Antonio 12.9 San Antonio 12.8
Detroit 13.2 Detroit 13.1
Miami 13.4 Houston 13.3
Dallas 13.5 Minnesota 13.3
L.A. Lakers 13.8 Dallas 13.7
NBA average 15.3 League average 15.3



Free-throw rate: 2008-09's worst offensive, best defensive
Team FTA/FGA Team Opp. FTA/FGA
San Antonio .251 San Antonio .249
Indiana .267 Houston .257
New York .268 Toronto .258
Dallas .274 Atlanta .272
L.A. Clippers .275 Philadelphia .276
NBA average .306 NBA average .306


The result? The Spurs were the least likely team to produce a turnover at either end. San Antonio turned it over on just 12.9 percent of its possessions, the best rate in the league, but forced turnovers on just 12.8 percent of opponent possessions, the worst rate in the league. The average NBA game last season featured 29.3 turnovers; the average Spurs game had 23.4, or about one-fifth fewer.

The Spurs owned the same distinction at the free throw line. San Antonio was the league's worst team at getting to the stripe, earning just .251 free throw attempts per field goal attempt. This was a key reason the Spurs finished only 12th in offensive efficiency, as they were seventh in field goal percentage and shot well on 3s but couldn't generate enough easy points from the stripe.

The primary driver behind that was the inability of the Spurs' secondary players to get to the line. Duncan, Parker and Ginobili accounted for nearly two-thirds of the team's free throw attempts. With the rest of the roster composed almost entirely of standstill shooters, they produced only seven foul shots a game between them; Parker nearly matched that total by himself.

Fortunately for San Antonio, they were as good at preventing free throw attempts as they were bad at creating them. San Antonio permitted only .249 free throw attempts per field goal attempt, a league-leading total that explains why they finished sixth overall in defensive efficiency.

But it's the rebounding numbers that are most phenomenal. San Antonio was the best defensive rebounding team, pulling down 78.1 percent of opponents' missed shots, and yet the worst offensive rebounding team, collecting only 22.1 percent of their own missed shots. It doesn't seem possible that a team could rebound so well defensively and so horribly offensively, but in fact the two are very different skills. Additionally, San Antonio's playing style -- with Duncan having his back to the basket and four shooters spacing the floor -- has never been conducive to high offensive rebound totals.

Nonetheless, the Spurs' statistical anomalies from last season are truly amazing -- they were the league's best team in three different categories, and yet the league's worst team at the other end of the court in those same three facets of the game.

In the big picture, however, those bizarre stats served as a red flag showcasing all the areas where the Spurs changed from an "experienced" team into a just plain old one. The Spurs were too smart to beat themselves, but often they couldn't do much to beat the opponent either -- they just didn't have the athleticism to force turnovers, create second shots and get to the free throw line.

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Offseason Moves

With the freshness date on the Duncan era drawing closer, the Spurs ventured into unusual territory by going well over the luxury tax to try to squeeze a fifth ring from his prime. The Spurs will sit roughly $10 million over the tax line and have enough expiring contracts and overseas assets (especially Brazilian center Tiago Splitter) to spend much more if they so choose.

The flip side is that the Spurs could pull back and start dumping assets if this season's team doesn't work out the way they hope. For the moment, however, it's full steam ahead, with the only real dilemma being whether to extend Ginobili's contract beyond this season. He'll be an unrestricted free agent after the season, but extending him now would almost certainly make the Spurs a luxury tax team again next season -- something they may be reluctant to pursue on a repeat basis given their small market.

Traded Bruce Bowen, Fabricio Oberto and Kurt Thomas to Milwaukee for Richard Jefferson. This was a huge decision for the Spurs, as it not only makes them a luxury tax payer this season but also precludes the possibility of diving into the juicy 2010 free-agent market -- that will have to wait until 2011 at the earliest.

That said, the Spurs weren't going to stay in contention without a decisive move such as this one. They badly needed another player who could create his own shot, especially given the injury woes of Duncan and Ginobili last season, and Jefferson upgrades what had been their weakest position.

As an added plus, Jefferson quietly put together a very good season shooting corner 3s in Milwaukee, making 45.9 percent from that area according to NBA.com/hotspots. If he can keep knocking down that shot, it will help tremendously since he's likely to get a ton of attempts from there; from Bowen to Danny Ferry to Jaren Jackson to Sean Elliott, the Spurs have been spotting up their small forwards in the corner since a year or two after Columbus landed.

Let Drew Gooden go, signed Antonio McDyess to a three-year, $18 million deal. This was another major coup for San Antonio. The Spurs addressed the lack of a quality frontcourt player alongside Duncan by using their entire midlevel exception on McDyess. Because McDyess is almost exclusively a mid-range jump shooter, offensively he should collaborate very well with Duncan; additionally, he'll sharply improve that pathetic offensive rebounding rate from last season.

McDyess has said he wants to play only two more seasons, which makes the Spurs' offer essentially a two-year deal with a golden parachute at the end. But if it comes to that, in 2011-12 they can afford to pay him $6.7 million not to play because they should be well under the cap by then.

Drafted DeJuan Blair, Nando De Colo and Jack McClinton. Blair was the steal of the draft as an early second-round choice. He was one of the most dominant players in college basketball last season, but teams fretted over his troublesome knees and his lack of height. In that sense, he's very similar to another recent second-round steal, Leon Powe. Blair's knees may derail his career at some point, but he's likely to be a very productive reserve until that point.

McClinton was a late second-rounder whom the Spurs cut when he didn't want to play overseas, while De Colo, a 6-foot-5 wing from France with a modest game but a spectacular name, will play in Valencia, Spain, this season. (And if someone there doesn't invent a mixed drink called a Nando De Colo by the end of the season, I'll be very disappointed.)

Signed Theo Ratliff to a one-year deal for the minimum. This was strictly an insurance deal to get another true center into camp to join Duncan, as the Spurs found themselves unusually devoid of length in the frontcourt this summer. He'll be most helpful if the Spurs get their wish and meet L.A. in the conference finals, where he could prove useful matching up against the Lakers' Pau Gasol.

Let Ime Udoka go, signed Marcus Haislip to a one-year deal for the minimum. A "reimport" from Europe after failing as a first-round pick with the Bucks several years ago, Haislip's translated stats from Europe weren't very good and I'd be shocked if he can crack San Antonio's rotation.

Signed Keith Bogans to a one-year deal for the minimum. Bogans struggled last season and isn't likely to play a major role. However, because he defends and shoots 3s, he's a good fit in San Antonio's system and provides some insurance if Finley suddenly succumbs to age.

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Biggest Strength: Perimeter Scoring

Sure, it's nice having Duncan, but they may not need him much with the weapons they've added on the perimeter. Parker came into his own as the team's go-to star last season, using his devastating quickness to blow apart defensive coverages and, increasingly, creating shots for teammates as well as for himself. Ginobili plays only 30 minutes a night but yields superstar production in that time, with his driving ability, outside shooting and passing talent all far beyond the capacity of the typical wing player.

Jefferson, meanwhile, provides a new element -- a big, strong wing man who can finish on the break and post up smaller opponents. He'll take a lot of the strain off Parker and Ginobili, and as such should be a massive upgrade from the small forward situation a year ago.

Two younger players also figure in the mix: George Hill and Roger Mason. Mason was overmatched as a starter last season, but established himself as one of the best long-range shooters in the league, especially in late-game situations. He'll be more at home coming off the bench this season. Hill, meanwhile, enjoyed an encouraging rookie season and figures to step up into a greater role as a combo guard off the bench.

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Biggest Weakness: Health

It's hard to know what exactly the Spurs have this season until we see Ginobili and Duncan compete in a real game. Duncan was able to play through his knee injury last season, but it muted his performance considerably -- especially at the defensive end, where he lacked the explosion and quickness to dominate around the basket. Regardless of the knee, he's 7 feet tall and knows how to play, so he should still produce at a high level. But he's not going to put up superstar numbers if he isn't at full strength, and it appears his injury is a chronic, wear-and-tear malady resulting from the 12 NBA seasons he's played.

Ginobili is another question mark after missing the end of last season because of a stress fracture in his ankle -- on the heels of missing the start of the season with an injury in his other ankle. While he's expected to show up at camp fully recovered from the stress fracture, he's been increasingly injury-prone the past four years. Considering he's 32 and absorbs lots of contact on his forays to the rim, there's a concern he'll miss games more regularly going forward.

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Outlook

The Spurs are the best organization in sports, hands down. If you prorate the strike year in 1998-99, last season was their 12th straight with at least 53 wins -- four of which produced championships. It's a ridiculous rate of success that still hasn't received the recognition that it deserves, especially given the modest spending by small-market San Antonio in that time frame.

That said, these next few years should present an even greater challenge to the Spurs' organizational excellence. It's real simple: They're fighting a wickedly strong tide. The Spurs are an old team, and their best players are the ones with the greatest age and injury concerns.

The injury worries with Duncan and Ginobili seriously crimp the hopes of rivaling the Lakers at the top of the West, even with the additions of Jefferson, McDyess and Blair in the offseason. While the newbies should take some of the load off Parker this season, San Antonio's championship hopes have always been predicated on having the league's best big man as a centerpiece and its best Sixth Man as a crutch -- now it's unclear if either of those propositions remain viable.

They'll win lots of games, because that's what they always do, and undoubtedly they'll make a few shrewd in-season moves to boost their chances further. But for all the thrashing in the water the Spurs did this summer, the riptide of age might pull them right back to the same spot it did a year ago.


Prediction: 53-29, 1st in Southwest Division, 3rd in Western Conference

nkdlunch
09-28-2009, 01:33 PM
Rebounding: 2008-09's best defensive, worst offensive
Team Off. Reb Percentage Team Def. Reb Percentage
San Antonio 22.1 San Antonio 78.0
Toronto 24.0 Orlando 75.9
Orlando 24.0 Boston 75.6
New York 24.4 Houston 75.3
Sacramento 24.5 Minnesota 75.0
NBA average 26.7 League average 73.3



Turnovers: 2008-09's best at avoiding, worst at forcing
Team TO Rate Team Opp. TO Rate
San Antonio 12.9 San Antonio 12.8
Detroit 13.2 Detroit 13.1
Miami 13.4 Houston 13.3
Dallas 13.5 Minnesota 13.3
L.A. Lakers 13.8 Dallas 13.7
NBA average 15.3 League average 15.3



Free-throw rate: 2008-09's worst offensive, best defensive
Team FTA/FGA Team Opp. FTA/FGA
San Antonio .251 San Antonio .249
Indiana .267 Houston .257
New York .268 Toronto .258
Dallas .274 Atlanta .272
L.A. Clippers .275 Philadelphia .276
NBA average .306 NBA average .306


very interesting stats!!!!

Spurs are a special team. You can tell if they will probably win the game right away if they start getting to the line and creating turnovers.

my answer to this is a healthy Manu. He creates steals, helps in rebounding AND gets to the line. He was and still is the only Spur that brings all those at once. Healthy productive Manu is the key to the championship.

crc21209
09-28-2009, 01:50 PM
Rebounding: 2008-09's best defensive, worst offensive
Team Off. Reb Percentage Team Def. Reb Percentage
San Antonio 22.1 San Antonio 78.0
Toronto 24.0 Orlando 75.9
Orlando 24.0 Boston 75.6
New York 24.4 Houston 75.3
Sacramento 24.5 Minnesota 75.0
NBA average 26.7 League average 73.3



Turnovers: 2008-09's best at avoiding, worst at forcing
Team TO Rate Team Opp. TO Rate
San Antonio 12.9 San Antonio 12.8
Detroit 13.2 Detroit 13.1
Miami 13.4 Houston 13.3
Dallas 13.5 Minnesota 13.3
L.A. Lakers 13.8 Dallas 13.7
NBA average 15.3 League average 15.3



Free-throw rate: 2008-09's worst offensive, best defensive
Team FTA/FGA Team Opp. FTA/FGA
San Antonio .251 San Antonio .249
Indiana .267 Houston .257
New York .268 Toronto .258
Dallas .274 Atlanta .272
L.A. Clippers .275 Philadelphia .276
NBA average .306 NBA average .306


very interesting stats!!!!

Spurs are a special team. You can tell if they will probably win the game right away if they start getting to the line and creating turnovers.

my answer to this is a healthy Manu. He creates steals, helps in rebounding AND gets to the line. He was and still is the only Spur that brings all those at once. Healthy productive Manu is the key to the championship.

I was thinking the same thing. Manu is the reason we create alot of turnovers and get steals. He can also get to the rack basically whenever he wants as well...

WildcardManu
09-28-2009, 01:58 PM
Hollinger :lol

Samr
09-28-2009, 02:15 PM
De Colo, a 6-foot-5 wing from France with a modest game but a spectacular name, will play in Valencia, Spain, this season. (And if someone there doesn't invent a mixed drink called a Nando De Colo by the end of the season, I'll be very disappointed.)

I think SpursTalk just found a new challenge.

Spursfanfromafar
09-28-2009, 02:19 PM
Far better piece by Hollinger than his prognostications last year. He sticks to things that are objective and that can be more easily gleaned. He predicted, what, a 47-35 last year, didn't he? Before the Spurs rang up 54-28 with all those injuries and skewed and weird stats.

This time, he says 53-29, pulling that number out of thin stat-rarified air of the past 12 years, and pinning it on Tim Duncan and Manu Ginobili's injury concerns. I will lessen those concerns a bit and suggest a 58-24 is more apt.

urunobili
09-28-2009, 02:44 PM
lol Hollinger

BG_Spurs_Fan
09-28-2009, 02:44 PM
Bulllshit article yet again from Hollinger, I'm actually impressed with his inability to understand things which are basketball related, but he should have, at least, done his fact checking when writing stuff.

bigfish22
09-28-2009, 02:53 PM
Thanks 2cleva, I was just about to request that someone post this and yet again, you generously come through for us. I nominate your for Most Unselfish Poster of the Year. Do we do end of the year awards here?

timaios
09-28-2009, 03:00 PM
Let Drew Gooden go, signed Antonio McDyess to a three-year, $18 million deal. This was another major coup for San Antonio. The Spurs addressed the lack of a quality frontcourt player alongside Duncan by using their entire midlevel exception on McDyess. Because McDyess is almost exclusively a mid-range jump shooter, offensively he should collaborate very well with Duncan; additionally, he'll sharply improve that pathetic offensive rebounding rate from last season.

Hollinger is wrong.
The full midlevel exception was used for McDyess and Blair.
Antonio McDyess signed a 3-year contract for $14,58 million (not 18).
DeJuan Blair signed a 4-year contract for $3,8 million (last 2 years unguaranteed).

HarlemHeat37
09-28-2009, 03:04 PM
I don't really see a big deal about his article..we've clearly improved, but it obviously comes down to health, and the play of Tim and Manu..not that bad of a read..

he also even mentions how we have the assets to get better and make in-season moves..

kbrury
09-28-2009, 03:17 PM
I don't really see a big deal about his article..we've clearly improved, but it obviously comes down to health, and the play of Tim and Manu..not that bad of a read..

he also even mentions how we have the assets to get better and make in-season moves..
:tu
Its really not that bad of an article, I bet people just didn't read it assuming it would bash the spurs.

024
09-28-2009, 03:23 PM
this actually made me feel better. the three biggest spurs weakness, other than health, have all been plugged up during the offseason. ginobili returning allows the spurs to create more turnovers and have a higher rate of getting to the free throw line. jefferson will also increase the trips to the free throw line as well as improve rebounding. mcdyess and blair adds stronger rebounders in the frontline as well.

Hollinger
09-28-2009, 03:25 PM
I thought it was one of my better articles. Basically, Spurs fans are never happy.

cheguevara
09-28-2009, 03:27 PM
how is this a bad article? good info. oh, is it because Spurs are not predicted to win it all??

Phenomanul
09-28-2009, 03:28 PM
I recall R.C. Buford mentioning that Blair's arrival would help the Spurs improve on last year's dismal offensive rebounding numbers....

rjv
09-28-2009, 03:34 PM
so mr. math draws his conclusion from an unkown variable (health). why bother making a prediction at all if your equation is based on some randomly drawn up probability factor ?

The_Game
09-28-2009, 03:37 PM
you guys only think it is bad because he predicted you wouldn't make the finals..

Agloco
09-28-2009, 04:17 PM
you guys only think it is bad because he predicted you wouldn't make the finals..


I thought it was one of my better articles. Basically, Spurs fans are never happy.


Fail....... to you and Mr. Hollinger both.

This article sucks because, after a good analysis, Mr. Hollinger decides that it all adds up to.......... Fewer wins than last year? Trash.

completely deck
09-28-2009, 04:21 PM
They'll win lots of games, because that's what they always do, and undoubtedly they'll make a few shrewd in-season moves to boost their chances further. But for all the thrashing in the water the Spurs did this summer, the riptide of age might pull them right back to the same spot it did a year ago


what the fuck is wrong with this guy?

nuclearfm
09-28-2009, 04:45 PM
All i need to read is that John Hollinger wrote it...

temujin
09-28-2009, 05:50 PM
Hollinger is a legend.

He predictd the Spurs would miss the playoffs last year.

For those who read the "article", what is the "prediction" now?

TD 21
09-28-2009, 07:58 PM
Moreso than any other person that writes about the Spurs, it's all doom and gloom with this guy the past year and a half (and that's saying something). I could understand this at the end of last year and I could even understand the questioning of their ability to stay healthy, but give it a rest. How about mentioning the depth, talent and experience on this team, which is arguably unmatched in the entire league?

Brazil
09-28-2009, 08:22 PM
This is an ok article, why so much hate, H even made a compliment:

"Outlook

The Spurs are the best organization in sports, hands down. If you prorate the strike year in 1998-99, last season was their 12th straight with at least 53 wins -- four of which produced championships. It's a ridiculous rate of success that still hasn't received the recognition that it deserves, especially given the modest spending by small-market San Antonio in that time frame."

itzsoweezee
09-28-2009, 10:27 PM
kind of states the obvious. if the spurs aren't healthy, they aren't winning.

024
09-28-2009, 10:52 PM
concerning the three categories the spurs struggled with last year, the team has done all it possibly could to plug up those holes. offensive rebounding, free throws, and turnovers can all be created by the offseason additions of blair, mcdyess, jefferson, and the return of ginobili. short of installing bionic ankles/knees on ginobili and duncan, spurs have gotten rid of their every weakness prevalent in 2008 and 2009. what hollinger does not recognize however, is that a 54 win team (tied with the nuggets) last year just got even better. a 53 win prediction, which is worse than last year, is pretty pitiful. spurs will win 55+ games.

lennyalderette
09-28-2009, 11:29 PM
so we replace bowens 3ppg stats with jeffersons 20 ppg replace kurt thomas's 4ppg 3rpg with antonio mcdyess double double average replace vaughn's 2ppg 0rpg with bogans 7ppg/4rpg as a back up pg a healthy manu ginobili who was avg 15ppg injured lol, and a slimmer tim duncan who is in the best shape of his career since he won his mvp and we end up at the same place in the end? wow this guy is intelligent!!!! lets just get this shit going so we can see you closet laker fan sports writers seem like idiots when kobe's crying in the western conference finals once again because timmy had his way with you

OrEmuN
09-28-2009, 11:40 PM
I thought it was an ordinary article, nothing new or different from what we have read from our sources. The only part that is interesting is the first part where he has highlighted "Spurs games were notable for the absence of turnovers, free throws and offensive rebounds by either side"

Besides that, the rest are quite 'cliche'. Everyone speak of us as too old, having health issues. Health affects everyone, not just those who are injuried last season. If Kobe goes down, that will render Lakers' chance of repeating to nearly zero. If Nowitski is injuried, Dallas may not make it past 1st round. If Carmelo/Garnett/Lebronis taken out for a season, Denver, Celtic and Cleveland would be screwed too.

All I am saying is that injury will surface anytime to any team. Its just easy to discredit us by harping on the issue that will affect everyone, not just us but that is his pregorative. I for one, hope that everyone stay healthy and we will beat everyone at 100%

DPG21920
09-28-2009, 11:48 PM
Yes, injuries can effect everyone, but he is talking about probability. Duncan or Ginobili are more likely to be injured than Kobe, that is why it is pointed out.

kbrury
09-28-2009, 11:48 PM
so we replace bowens 3ppg stats with jeffersons 20 ppg replace kurt thomas's 4ppg 3rpg with antonio mcdyess double double average replace vaughn's 2ppg 0rpg with bogans 7ppg/4rpg as a back up pg a healthy manu ginobili who was avg 15ppg injured lol, and a slimmer tim duncan who is in the best shape of his career since he won his mvp and we end up at the same place in the end? Wow this guy is intelligent!!!! Lets just get this shit going so we can see you closet laker fan sports writers seem like idiots when kobe's crying in the western conference finals once again because timmy had his way with you

........:downspin:

OrEmuN
09-29-2009, 01:15 AM
Yes, injuries can effect everyone, but he is talking about probability. Duncan or Ginobili are more likely to be injured than Kobe, that is why it is pointed out.

Yes, I could understand that but i wonder on the basis of that. Just because Duncan and Manu are injured last season? Those who are injuried can recover to play the whole season. Just look at Grant Hill, Vince Carter who has played nearly all the game last season despite having health issues earlier in the career)

If his basis is on age, Kobe is also on the 30s, along with Garnett, Shaq, Ray Allen, Carter, etc.

Anyway, just wish to point on the assumptions that he had made to make his prediction may not be correct.

kbrury
09-29-2009, 01:45 AM
Yes, I could understand that but i wonder on the basis of that. Just because Duncan and Manu are injured last season? Those who are injuried can recover to play the whole season. Just look at Grant Hill, Vince Carter who has played nearly all the game last season despite having health issues earlier in the career)

If his basis is on age, Kobe is also on the 30s, along with Garnett, Shaq, Ray Allen, Carter, etc.

Anyway, just wish to point on the assumptions that he had made to make his prediction may not be correct.


There are so many factors involved when predicting just a single game let alone a season but articles like these for each team attract a large amount of readers. I think the statistics he provides in the article is just an attempt to make his prediction look more believable because really you can't use them on this Spurs team which has changed drastically.

So chances are he could be wrong on most teams because its just his educated guess.

Obstructed_View
09-29-2009, 02:00 AM
Michael Finley, for instance, started 77 games and played 30 minutes a night because of the shortcomings of those around him.

Smell that? It's called irony.

mountainballer
09-29-2009, 03:29 AM
what's the problem people?
Hollinger predicts a 53 wins season. that's good news, because the chance it in fact his predictions come true is almost zero.
(we will see 58 wins IMO)
if Hollinger had predicted a 60 wins season - now that's a reason to get nervous.

EricB
09-29-2009, 03:36 AM
Yes, injuries can effect everyone, but he is talking about probability. Duncan or Ginobili are more likely to be injured than Kobe, that is why it is pointed out.

With all the miles on Kobe's body he's also due for some injuries as well.

Again, why isn't that pointed out?

TDMVPDPOY
09-29-2009, 05:54 AM
you guys only think it is bad because he predicted you wouldn't make the finals..

no, its just fkn hollinger

ambchang
09-29-2009, 08:48 AM
At least the Spurs are going to make the playoffs this year.

K-State Spur
09-29-2009, 08:50 AM
The Spurs' advanced age and conservative playing style did produce one interesting element, however: Statistically they were a basket of anomalies, one of the truly unique teams in NBA history.

Translation: I was really really wrong about the Spurs last year, so I'm going to point out some stats that actually always describe the Spurs (in recent years), but call them anomalies so that absolve me of the fact that I have been enjoying the smell of my own farts too much to realize that my stats may not be the end-all-be-all predictors.