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duncan228
09-29-2009, 11:56 PM
Healthy again, Spurs' Ginobili hopes to earn his keep (http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/spurs/Healthy_again_Spurs_Ginobili_hopes_to_earn_his_kee p.html)
Jeff McDonald

It seemed like an innocuous question, the kind one might pose to any acquaintance one hasn't seen since April.

“Hey Manu,” someone asked a certain Spurs guard earlier this week, “how was your summer?”

Manu Ginobili was quick with the answer.

“Winter,” he corrected. “It was a lot of winter.”

Ginobili spent most of what North America would call summer at home in Argentina, where the seasons are flip-flopped and winter comes in May.

The second winter of Ginobili's 2008-09 calendar went much like the first. There wasn't much basketball involved.

After missing 43 games last season — including all of the playoffs — with various ankle ailments, the prescription for Ginobili's offseason included rest, rest and more rest.

The one non-negotiable rule: No picking up a basketball.

“I guess they didn't trust my judgment,” Ginobili said.

Ginobili arrived at training camp completely healed of the stress fracture in his right distal fibula that ended his season on April 5, and had transformed one of the league's most feared postseason performers into a helpless spectator for the Spurs' first-round playoff ouster against Dallas.

Of all the additions the team made during the offseason, and there were many, the one they might be most excited about is a healthy Manu Ginobili.

The Spurs were 36-12 with him in the lineup last season. They were 23-20 without him, including five playoff games.

“Hopefully, Manu will just be Manu,” Tony Parker said.

The last time Ginobili took an entire Argentine winter off — in 2007 — he responded with the best season of his NBA career.

A repeat would be nice for the Spurs. It would also be nice for Ginobili's pocketbook.

At age 32, Ginobili is entering the final season of his contract. Spurs general manager R.C. Buford says there is no firm timetable for talking to Ginobili about a new one.

“It could happen during the season, or it might happen after,” Buford said. “We'll just have to see.”

Even then, the Spurs will have to decide how much a 33-year-old Ginobili with a history of leg injuries is worth. The team will almost certainly want him to prove he isn't damaged goods before committing more money to him.

Coach Gregg Popovich will do what he can to keep Ginobili well enough to earn his keep.

Popovich estimates Ginobili, though physically healthy, arrived at camp in “C-plus shape” due to his offseason of relative inactivity. Even so, Popovich doesn't plan to push him too hard toward an A-plus.

Ginobili went through about three-fourths of Tuesday morning's practice, and sat out the evening session entirely.

“We'll keep him on that sort of schedule and try to be smart about it,” Popovich said.

Ginobili's injury saga began 18 months ago.

He originally injured the ankle during the 2008 playoffs, aggravated it while competing for Argentina in the Beijing Olympics, then underwent surgery just before the start of training camp last year. He missed three separate swaths of last season dealing with lingering complications.

By the time the playoff series against Dallas rolled around, Ginobili was shackled to the bench in street clothes, helpless. He felt he had let his teammates down.

“Not being able to lose with them, to win with them, to share the same emotions,” Ginobili said. “I really suffered.”

The Spurs are happy to have Ginobili back, because it makes the team better. But they are also happy to have Ginobili back, because it makes Ginobili happy.

“He's been a basketcase for at least year now, with his health so up and down,” Tim Duncan said. “He just wants to be a basketball player.”

His long winter finally over, his bum leg at last healed, Ginobili will have that chance again.

*********************

The Manu factor

Manu Ginobili missed 43 games last year, including the playoffs, while nursing various ankle ailments. Here is a look at how the absence affected Ginobili and the Spurs:

GINOBILI

• Games: 44 *
• Scoring average: 15.5 ppg
• FG percentage: 45.4
• 3-point percentage: 33.0 *

SPURS

• Record with him: 36-12
• Record without him: 23-20 (including playoffs)

* — career low

Source: Express-News research

ducks
09-30-2009, 12:06 AM
over 10 million a year
most players making that play 40 plus minutes a night
he has alot to do in his 25 minutes a game

Mel_13
09-30-2009, 12:18 AM
over 10 million a year
most players making that play 40 plus minutes a night
he has alot to do in his 25 minutes a game

# of players that averaged at least 40 minutes per game in 2008-09 = zero

EricB
09-30-2009, 12:20 AM
Oh christ, Ducks has ruined the thread already.

Congrats.

TMTTRIO
09-30-2009, 12:20 AM
how did I know that you'd be the first one to comment in here ducks :lol. By the way Congrats to Manu for hitting his 14th year of playing professional basketball and he sounds really upbeat about this year. Hopefully an offseason of rest will do the trick and he can stay healthy.

Manu Ginobili (http://www.facebook.com/ManuGinobili?ref=mf)
Un día como hoy hace 14 años, debutaba como basquetbolista profesional en Argentina. Qué lindo momento y cuántas cosas pasaron en este tiempo, no? Muchas totalmente inesperadas... /// Exactly 14 years ago I was playing my first official game as Pro P...layer in Argentina. Great day! So many amazing things happened in all these years! More are on their way...

ducks
09-30-2009, 12:22 AM
# of players that averaged at least 40 minutes per game in 2008-09 = zero

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/statistics?stat=nbaminutes&season=2008&seasontype=2

ducks
09-30-2009, 12:23 AM
ok 40 is high
35 plus minutes a game

Mel_13
09-30-2009, 12:24 AM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/statistics?stat=nbaminutes&season=2008&seasontype=2

that's 2007-08 and there are only three players.

ss1986v2
09-30-2009, 12:26 AM
oh, the comedy factor is high tonight on spurstalk. lets keep this level up until opening night. will keeps this from getting stale.

Mel_13
09-30-2009, 12:28 AM
ok 40 is high
35 plus minutes a game

In the year you cited, manu averaged 31.0 mpg. That was 86th in the NBA. Parker averaged 33.5 mpg and was 68th. Duncan averaged 34.0 mpg and was 64th.

So what was your point?

ducks
09-30-2009, 12:28 AM
that's 2007-08 and there are only three players.

that is why I said maybe 40 was high 35 plus minutes
if you read the post above

ducks
09-30-2009, 12:29 AM
In the year you cited, manu averaged 31.0 mpg. That was 86th in the NBA. Parker averaged 33.5 mpg and was 68th. Duncan averaged 34.0 mpg and was 64th.

So what was your point?

how many minutes did he manage when it counts
NONE again:bang:bang:bang

Mel_13
09-30-2009, 12:31 AM
that is why I said maybe 40 was high 35 plus minutes
if you read the post above

Duncan has averaged less than 35 mpg for the last 5 seasons.

Parker has averaged less 35 mpg in all 8 seasons of his NBA career.

So what is your point?

DPG21920
09-30-2009, 12:32 AM
I am so excited to have Manu back. He creates this certain kind of energy that the Spurs need. As glad as I am to see all of the new faces and how this team will come together, I am extra excited to watch Manu work his way back.

DPG21920
09-30-2009, 12:34 AM
Ducks, I think there are far more people who made 10M and averaged 35 MPG or less than there are players who made 10M+ and averaged 35+ MPG.

Mel_13
09-30-2009, 12:35 AM
how many minutes did he manage when it counts
NONE again:bang:bang:bang

Again?

He missed the 2009 playoffs. He played in every Spurs playoff game in all previous seasons.

EricB
09-30-2009, 01:14 AM
I am so excited to have Manu back. He creates this certain kind of energy that the Spurs need. As glad as I am to see all of the new faces and how this team will come together, I am extra excited to watch Manu work his way back.

When did the Spurs play at their best last year?

ding ding ding.

Late March when Ginobili came off the bench and he felt good...

Man In Black
09-30-2009, 03:48 AM
Question:
WHEN DOES DUCKS EVER HAVE A POINT?

Answer:Never, because his posts give us the answer...he really doesn't know shit about basketball.

polandprzem
09-30-2009, 04:49 AM
feed the ducks ! :rolleyes



IT's always unknown about that kind of injuries because it must be tested in the season when you put maximum pressure on it and give it a heavy lifting all the time.
How it will respond gonna say much about spurs chances in the playoffs

Brazil
09-30-2009, 08:12 AM
Ducks is priceless, with Sequ sleeping, KBP out, Dr House hibernating, SD lost in the Amazonian forest and LEONARD useless without SD, we need him !

DaBears
09-30-2009, 08:39 AM
I am just hyped about Ginobli being back this year and healthy... Let hom put the crtics to rest once and for all....

Its a great time to be a SPURS FAN.........

TMTTRIO
09-30-2009, 08:40 AM
By the way did anyone hear Manu say in the interview with Don that he knows he'll probably have to pay for it sometime this season for playing for his country and he still talked about the possibility of leaving (even after Pop said all those nice things). Interesting.

BG_Spurs_Fan
09-30-2009, 08:47 AM
lol @ Ducks being owned yet again. Don't you ever get tired?

As for Manu, I don't doubt he'll be back to his best, pretty sure he'll get an extension offer before next summer.

ambchang
09-30-2009, 08:51 AM
I too would rather have employees sitting on their ass for 16 hours a day, rather than doing some real work, and getting things done by spending 8 hours in the office.

pad300
09-30-2009, 09:26 AM
Healthy again, Spurs' Ginobili hopes to earn his keep (http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/spurs/Healthy_again_Spurs_Ginobili_hopes_to_earn_his_kee p.html)
Jeff McDonald

...

GINOBILI

• Games: 44 *

...

SPURS

• Record with him: 36-12

Source: Express-News research

36+12 = 48 <> 44

Hey Jeff, do math much?

K-State Spur
09-30-2009, 09:26 AM
Question:
WHEN DOES DUCKS EVER HAVE A POINT?

Answer:Never, because his posts give us the answer...he really doesn't know shit about basketball.

sadly, there are some arguments made on this board where you can extrapolate out the poster's knowledge far beyond the game of basketball.

mingus
09-30-2009, 10:12 AM
what's crazy is the Spurs were 36-12 with him playing. if they had the same winning % for the rest of the 34 games, they would have won sixty games. adding Jefferson, McDyess and Blair, the Spurs can definitely reach 70 wins this year. i don't think they will, but the fact that it's not out of the realm of possibility (well, imo) shows how great this team can be.

timaios
09-30-2009, 10:19 AM
Every village needs an idiot...

Spurstalk is proud of ducks.

He makes us feel so clever.

:toast

timaios
09-30-2009, 10:34 AM
36+12 = 48 <> 44

Hey Jeff, do math much?


The Spurs were 36-12 with him in the lineup last season. They were 23-20 without him, including five playoff games.

In fact, the Spurs were 32-12 with Manu and 23-20 without him.
So Manu played 44 games with the Spurs last season.

Big P
09-30-2009, 10:40 AM
over 10 million a year
most players making that play 40 plus minutes a night
he has alot to do in his 25 minutes a game

He has already done everything & more we could ever ask of him. After TD, Manu is the reason we have multiple championships. He deserves to finish his career in SA & the Spurs need to show the rest of the league how we operate, by doing the right thing & extending Manu.

Agloco
09-30-2009, 10:42 AM
over 10 million a year
most players making that play 40 plus minutes a night
he has alot to do in his 25 minutes a game


# of players that averaged at least 40 minutes per game in 2008-09 = zero


http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/statistics?stat=nbaminutes&season=2008&seasontype=2


that's 2007-08 and there are only three players.


ok 40 is high
35 plus minutes a game


In the year you cited, manu averaged 31.0 mpg. That was 86th in the NBA. Parker averaged 33.5 mpg and was 68th. Duncan averaged 34.0 mpg and was 64th.

So what was your point?


that is why I said maybe 40 was high 35 plus minutes
if you read the post above


Duncan has averaged less than 35 mpg for the last 5 seasons.

Parker has averaged less 35 mpg in all 8 seasons of his NBA career.

So what is your point?


how many minutes did he manage when it counts
NONE again:bang:bang:bang


Again?

He missed the 2009 playoffs. He played in every Spurs playoff game in all previous seasons.


Um, Ducks? You got......
http://rlv.zcache.com/pwned_gamer_gaming_owned_video_games_magnet-p147263483794602762qjy4_400.jpg

hater
09-30-2009, 10:46 AM
Ginobili spent most of what North America would call summer at home in Argentina, where the seasons are flip-flopped and winter comes in May.

:lol in an article about Manu. definitely on purpose

bobby4germany
09-30-2009, 10:49 AM
He has already done everything & more we could ever ask of him. After TD, Manu is the reason we have multiple championships. He deserves to finish his career in SA & the Spurs need to show the rest of the league how we operate, by doing the right thing & extending Manu.

Nicely said and I agree 100%! Manu is a world class athlete and he should be treated as such!

oligarchy
09-30-2009, 12:00 PM
32-12 with and 23-20 without him. 87?

Ah.. post-season. nm.

Bruno
09-30-2009, 01:08 PM
http://twitter.com/spurs/status/4501734195


"Manu is officially 100%. He was arguably the best player out here today." - Coach Pop

:elephant

tp2021
09-30-2009, 01:18 PM
Tell that elephant of yours to watch his ankles there, Bruno.

TMTTRIO
09-30-2009, 01:18 PM
I have a feeling that this will be a great year for him (knock on wood that he stays healthy and hopefully all those ankle issues are gone now). He seems really motivated and pissed off in all the interviews so far that I've heard him do and knowing that his future comes down to what he does this season with it being a contract year I think he'll do fine.

phxspurfan
09-30-2009, 04:06 PM
So is Joe Johnson > Ginobili?