Detroit Tigers

[DarkReign]

Terribly flawed team, I (we) know. Probably out in the first round (fucking Yankees), but nevertheless they'll win their division.

Thoughts?

[bostonguy]

Yanks have tons of players who are playoff stiffs. Plus they have the 2004 Boston curse to deal with. It wouldn't shock me to see the Tigers winning this series.

[scampers]

People gave the Yanks the edge in the series Detroit played against them during their run to the World Series a few years ago. You just never know. Go Tigers!

[crc21209]

I hope the Tigers can knock their asses out. The Tigers can match up pitching wise though with Verlander, Porcello, and Jackson. :tu

[EricB]

I'd take the Tigers in 4.

The Yankees key players are horrible postseason players and would have to miraculously change course or precedent for them to be considered a threat in the post season.

IMO, Red Sox Tigers for the ALCS crown.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Remember when the Yankees were supposed to run train on the Tigers a few years ago :lol?

It'd be sick to see that whole thing happen again.

[EricB]

Remember when the Yankees were supposed to run train on the Tigers a few years ago :lol?

It'd be sick to see that whole thing happen again.

Yeah, I'm down for a repeat of 2006 :spin :)

[JamStone]

Would be cool but unlikely. It was a perfect storm in 2006. Kenny Rogers was unhittable, as was Jeremy Bonderman. While the pitching match-ups would be fairly even, the only starter I'd really be confident could hold down that line-up is Verlander. Edwin Jackson has been pretty hittable lately and Porcello is solid but probably would still give up 4-5 runs, meaning he'd have to rely on the Tigers offense which is anything but consistent.

Plus, the Tigers still have to get there first. They still have to avoid a pretty dangerous collapse and if the Twins sweep the Royals, the Tigers need to win 2 of 3 against the White Sox, who would love to spoil things for the Tigers.

[EricB]

Would be cool but unlikely. It was a perfect storm in 2006. Kenny Rogers was unhittable, as was Jeremy Bonderman. While the pitching match-ups would be fairly even, the only starter I'd really be confident could hold down that line-up is Verlander. Edwin Jackson has been pretty hittable lately and Porcello is solid but probably would still give up 4-5 runs, meaning he'd have to rely on the Tigers offense which is anything but consistent.

Plus, the Tigers still have to get there first. They still have to avoid a pretty dangerous collapse and if the Twins sweep the Royals, the Tigers need to win 2 of 3 against the White Sox, who would love to spoil things for the Tigers.

Again your assuming the chokers lined through out the lineup of the yankees hit...

[bostonguy]

I haven't been sold on the Yanks all season. They have done this numerous times over the years where they have the best record in baseball only to lose in the first round or alcs. I am pulling for the Tigers or Twins to keep Bostons 2004 curse on New York alive. :toast


P.S: Boston isn't doing jack shit either.

[KSeal]

I'm pulling heavy for a Tigers Angels ALCS. That would be fucking hilarious. Fox would seriously jump off a cliff if that happened, nobody would watch that shit :lol Fuck the Sox and Yanks.

[crc21209]

I'm pulling heavy for a Tigers Angels ALCS. That would be fucking hilarious. Fox would seriously jump off a cliff if that happened, nobody would watch that shit :lol Fuck the Sox and Yanks.

Isnt your team collapsing before your very eyes? :lol

[crc21209]

Would be cool but unlikely. It was a perfect storm in 2006. Kenny Rogers was unhittable, as was Jeremy Bonderman. While the pitching match-ups would be fairly even, the only starter I'd really be confident could hold down that line-up is Verlander. Edwin Jackson has been pretty hittable lately and Porcello is solid but probably would still give up 4-5 runs, meaning he'd have to rely on the Tigers offense which is anything but consistent.

Plus, the Tigers still have to get there first. They still have to avoid a pretty dangerous collapse and if the Twins sweep the Royals, the Tigers need to win 2 of 3 against the White Sox, who would love to spoil things for the Tigers.

I think the Tigers will win 2 out of 3 with the White Sox this weekend, and the Twins will probably lose the game Greinke pitches in...

[KSeal]

Isnt your team collapsing before your very eyes? :lol

Nah, they have a playoff spot clinched and they're playing the Phillies or Cardinals whether they win the division or WC so it really makes no difference. Besides, what does that have anything to do with me rooting against the Sox and Yanks?

[DarkReign]

Well, most of you are far more optimistic than me.

Tigers offense is atrocious (see yesterday's game as Exhibit 102) where the Yanks are anything but (playoff past performances notwithstanding).

The Cards win the Series...again......*sigh*

[LnGrrrR]

I'm not very optimistic about my Sox.. If they make it out of the first round, I don't think they'll make it out of the second.

[EricB]

Well, most of you are far more optimistic than me.

Tigers offense is atrocious (see yesterday's game as Exhibit 102) where the Yanks are anything but (playoff past performances notwithstanding).

The Cards win the Series...again......*sigh*

From your keyboard to god's ears.

[JamStone]

I hope the Cardinals get swept in the first round.

I don't care how well the Tigers are playing, no matter if Verlander and Jackson are absolutely unhittable, no matter if Miggy, Maggs, Guillen, Polanco, and Granderson all get hot with the bat, no matter if the ghost of Ty Cobb gives them some kind of supernatural advantage, if they somehow miraculously make it to the World Series, the Cardinals will still beat them.

I'd rather face a team with both the Dodgers' and the Phillies' rosters combined.

[EricB]

:-(

[ducks]

I would rather the rockies beat the yankees in the world series

that way the rockies and dbacks both would have beat them in the big dance

[Flintstones32]

Well apparently it does not matter. The Tigers don't want to go to the playoffs. Looks like the Twins do.

[ducks]

twins are trying to blow their big lead

[EricB]

The Rockies's big problem is their hitting is poor in the clutch.

Their starting pitching is hit or miss.

Their bully though is damn good.

Their big problem is they lack that centerpiece bat ala Matt Holliday.

We shall see..

[ducks]

shall see
cards have no bats after holliday
closeer for cards has struggled lately
dodgers pitching is not the best
philies bullpen is now a questionmark
yankees bats are not clutch in postseason
there is not one perfect team this year
all have atleast one weakness

[crc21209]

This postseason is gonna be a damn good one :tu

[EricB]

shall see
cards have no bats after holliday
closeer for cards has struggled lately
dodgers pitching is not the best
philies bullpen is now a questionmark
yankees bats are not clutch in postseason
there is not one perfect team this year
all have atleast one weakness


Pujols. Ludwick, Brendand Ryan and Schumaker are 300 hitters, Yadier Molina 280 hitting clutch hitting catcher.

Fucking do the world a favor and walk out into the highway you fucktard.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

cards have no bats after holliday


Agreed that Pujols scrub sucks you fuckin moron.

[crc21209]

Well the Tigers won today, and the Twins are winning 8-4 in the 6th inning...so it looks like we're headed toward a one game playoff to see who plays the Yankees.

[DarkReign]

...fucking Tigers are ridiculous with the exclamation point being Leyland and his dumbass, near-conspiracy of starting Alfredo Figaro on Saturday.

Who the fuck is Figaro and why the hell is he starting in a game so important?

I would have bumped Porcello up to Saturday, or Bonderman...anyone but rookie nobody Figaro!

What the fuck...

Bump Jackson, bump anyone's start up for Saturday! Win Saturday and Sunday, no playoff tomorrow. No, no, no...not in Jim's eyes. Its a 162 game season and he manages with that thinking come hell or high water...he saw no extra importance to Saturday's game, none.

/rant

Twins win the Central. Thanks Jim.

[Heath Ledger]

It's not over yet. I admit things look grim especially with all of the news about what Cabrera and possibly Guillen pulled over the weekend but this Tiger team is unpredictable. They show up at moments we least expect sometimes and choke in situations they syould very well thrive in. So it's really just a coin toss on what will happen tomorrow. Tigers bats have to come alive.

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

If you blow a .26 at 6 AM, then aren't you still legally drunk when the game rolls around later that night?

Perfect.

[DarkReign]

If you blow a .26 at 6 AM, then aren't you still legally drunk when the game rolls around later that night?

Perfect.

Works with my boss every time.

[Pistons < Spurs]

3-0!!!

[JamStone]

Stop the game now. Sudden death rules, first team to score wins.

I don't want Fernando Rodney to have anything to do with deciding this game.

Just end the game now please.

[IronMexican]

Who does everyone think has a better shot vs NY? Probably the Tigers. I want whoever can knock off NY to win.

[JamStone]

Tigers probably would have a better chance against the Yankees than the Twins, but it doesn't mean it's a good chance. Verlander and Edwin Jackson have both pitched well against the Yankees this year. Great pitching performances could give the Yankees some trouble. The Twins have been better hitting lately but you just don't outslug the Yankees if your pitching isn't very good.

That said, either team would be at a pretty big disadvantage, especially since game 1 would be tomorrow.

[KSeal]

Right when I was typing "Porcello is dealing" Kubel hits a bomb, one run game.

[Pistons < Spurs]

thank goodness we got out of that inning.

[JamStone]

I believe Kubel was 8-for-12 against Porcello going into the game. Before last week, I think he was 7-for-8.

[Hank the Tank]

I don't think this lead will stick...The Tigers must get a couple insurance runs.

[Pistons < Spurs]

:depressed

[Hank the Tank]

Fuckin Tigers! Shut that goddamn Star Wars music off!

[JamStone]

Fuck fuck fuck

[Pistons < Spurs]

Yessssir!

[JamStone]

Game is not lacking excitemen

[KSeal]

This is a great game.

[Pistons < Spurs]

This is the first game I've watched in probably 8 or 9 years! Glad there's been a little drama in it!

[JamStone]

Come on Brandon. Need a hit here. Please, God!!!

[Hank the Tank]

This is the first game I've watched in probably 8 or 9 years! Glad there's been a little drama in it!

You really didn't watch any games when they went to the WS?

well at least we tied it...

[Pistons < Spurs]

You really didn't watch any games when they went to the WS?



Nope. I watched a few minutes of it here an there ... but that was it. Never been much of a baseball fan.

[IronMexican]

Nice effort on the bunt

[IronMexican]

Nice game, but nothing close to San Diego, Colorado, 2007.

[Hank the Tank]

Tigers got this! That bunt will end up being huge.

[Pistons < Spurs]

Way to go Granderson!

[IronMexican]

crazy dp

[Hank the Tank]

Tigers got this! That bunt will end up being huge.

I'm in awe...

Excuse me while I take my foot out of my mouth...

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

Nathan is good enough as is, he doesn't need to ump to give him a pitch that's not even a borderline strike.

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

Lyon throws a pitch in the exact same location and doesn't get the call.

Tigs are getting squeezed.

[Hank the Tank]

Can the announcers stop rooting for the Twins please? Good lord.

[crc21209]

This blows....the Tigers missed a HUGE opportunity to bring in a run in the Top of the 9th. They gotta hold the Twins off now...

[JamStone]

Fuck this game

[Hank the Tank]

Stop the game now. Sudden death rules, first team to score wins.

I don't want Fernando Rodney to have anything to do with deciding this game.

Just end the game now please.

Heeeeeeeeeere's Roooodneeey!

...

[Pistons < Spurs]

hell of a play by Inge

[crc21209]

Extra innings it is!

[Pistons < Spurs]

Awesome!! Way to go Inge!

[Hank the Tank]

Unfuckingbelievable

[Pistons < Spurs]

.........:depressed

[crc21209]

Just when I thought the damn Tigers had this won...a triple by the Twins. Damn...

[IronMexican]

wow, hahah.

[Hank the Tank]

Tigers are fucked.

[Pistons < Spurs]

ridiculious

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

I'll be happy when the burn that shithole down.

[Pistons < Spurs]

still alive

[Hank the Tank]

HAHAHA

Holy Shit!!!!

[IronMexican]

crazy.

[JamStone]

Wow @ this game

[Heath Ledger]

I have added a few hundred gray hairs by watching this game.

[KSeal]

Wow Rodney in for his third straight inning and gets the top of the order out 123. Tigers should without a doubt bring in Verlander next.

[EricB]

What a game. Wow, nothing beats October baseball.

[EricB]

Wow, Tigers got screwed there. The ball hit the shirt.

[Hank the Tank]

Inge the goat...

[Hank the Tank]

cmon lardass

[EricB]

it should be 6-5 Tigers right now.. Wow.

[Pistons < Spurs]

omg....

[IronMexican]

unbeavable.

[EricB]

Leyland is nuts throwing Rodney 4 innings...

[EricB]

If Im Tiger fan, I'm flipping irate. Totally got screwed.

[Heath Ledger]

Im fucking Irate. What the fuck ump!!!!!!!!!! Giving the Twins this game.

[KSeal]

Game.

[Pistons < Spurs]

game.

[Hank the Tank]

Props to the Twins.

[IronMexican]

Great game. Best I've seen since the 2007 one game playoff.

[crc21209]

WOW. Well shit....I really wanted the Tigers going up against the Yanks seeing as they matched up better pitching wise...but oh well...

[JamStone]

Damn I'm ducking pissed.

Way to choke it all away Tigers...

[IronMexican]

Go Twins. Knock off the Yanks.

[Heath Ledger]

Well in Tigers defense it should have been 6-5 going into the bottom of the inning. But its a moot point. I pray to god they fire Leyland. Letting our closer go 4 innings? WTF was he smoking besides his Marlboro Reds?

[Heath Ledger]

Damn I'm ducking pissed.

Way to choke it all away Tigers...

Ducking? Looks like you are typing from an Iphone.

[bostonguy]

Alright Minnesota Twins! Now it is on you guys to keep the 2004 curse on the Yanks alive! Go Twins!

[JamStone]

I touch. I hate that "ducking" automatic spellcheck.

[DarkReign]

Two decisions cost the game, IMO.

1) Leaving Miner in when he clearly wasnt doing well since the first pitch. Shouldve pulled him after his second batter.

2) Not bunting (Polanco at the plate) in the 10th with runners at 1st and 3rd with no outs. You bunt, you get a run in and stay out of the double play.

Beyond that, it was a great game.

Bottom line, the better team won...the team that played like they wanted to win the division since early September won. Tigers did everything they could to give the division away and they finally found someone to take the load off.

At least now they can all get drunk and hang out with members of division rivals without implication.

/season

[MajorMike]

Where is that, "Wahw, wahw" sound when you need it?

[DarkReign]

2010 Tigers season...in a nutshell

1ytCEuuW2_A

[Goran Dragic]

I'm cheering for Miguel to somehow get the triple crown. Always been a fan of the guy and it'd be bad ass if someone got it.

[DarkReign]

Mediocre team playing in a mediocre division just got knee-capped.

Ordonez: OUT
Guillen: OUT
Inge: OUT

That leaves 4 legitimate hitters in the lineup. Jackson, Damon, Cabrera and Boesch.

Stick a fork in them, theyre done.

[JamStone]

And Boesch is crashing down back to earth.

Miguel Cabrera is the only legitimate hitter in the line-up, if you ask me.

Jackson and Damon (at this point in his career) are nice hitters in the line-up if they are like the 4th and 5th best hitters, not the 2nd and 3rd best hitters, especially since neither is a run producer. For all of Inge's faults, he was one of the guys the team relied on as a run producer. You take away three of the top 5 run producers in the line-up, and it spells clear doom. Guillen is the only one expected to not be out for a significant amount of time but even that is uncertain.

I wanted the Tigers to get Haren but probably better that they didn't give up too much for him because with all the injuries the Tigers still wouldn't have enough. I wouldn't mind seeing the Tigers go after Adam Dunn and someone like Ty Wigginton if they can get those guys for cheap since they're both free agents after this season. Any secondary prospects should be available to them (as long as the Tigers keep Porcello, Jacob Turner, and Casey Crosby). Dombrowski also would put Andrew Oliver in that category, but I personally would give him up for Adam Dunn, even though Dunn would be a rental at this point.

[DarkReign]

Good post.

But even the best case scenario is a Division Title. Thats awfully optimistic, too.

What then? Just fodder in the playoffs. I say "sell", but I know that wont happen.

[JamStone]

Sell what? The Tigers don't have anything to sell that would bring back anything of great value. The players the Tigers could sell are on the DL. They're not going to sell young kids or prospects who are under contract for reasonable money. Other than Magglio and Guillen, who on the Tigers roster would a contending team want?

Justin Verlander. Sure, but the Tigers aren't selling him.

Miguel Cabrera. Sure, but the Tigers aren't selling him.

Boesch, Austin Jackson, Porcello. Sure, but those are young guys you give up when you are buying, not selling.

Valverde might be the only player on the roster the Tigers could "sell."


For me, as long as they don't give up top prospects, I'd be happy if the Tigers tried to get a couple more bats and make the playoffs to be "playoff fodder." As long as they're not mortgaging the future, I'd be more than happy to see them be "playoff fodder."

[DarkReign]

Sell what? The Tigers don't have anything to sell that would bring back anything of great value. The players the Tigers could sell are on the DL. They're not going to sell young kids or prospects who are under contract for reasonable money. Other than Magglio and Guillen, who on the Tigers roster would a contending team want?

Damon and his two year contract for a bag of balls (ie shed payroll, $7 million I think?). get a pick or two, maybe even a prospect.

Guillen isnt going to be on the DL for long. Might be able to flip him for a pick or prospect (shed payroll, $13 million I think?).

Thats two positions empty (DH/LF and 2B). Drop the kids in those positions and let them sink or swim. Figure out what you have, even though its a rookie-heavy lineup as it is.

Just get rid of some of the salary so it can be spent elsewhere. Magglio is now officially off the books for next year (he wont get 500-ish ABs necessary), so there is another $15 million.

If my numbers are right, trading Guillen and Damon, the team sheds $35 million in payroll and really only lose one good player (Magglio).

I would *hope* DD can do something productive with that money. Namely, some starting pitching, even though I hear this offseason isnt heavy with SPs.


For me, as long as they don't give up top prospects, I'd be happy if the Tigers tried to get a couple more bats and make the playoffs to be "playoff fodder." As long as they're not mortgaging the future, I'd be more than happy to see them be "playoff fodder."

I wouldnt. Better to not make the playoffs when you dont have quality SPs. Its no accomplishment to win this pathetic division. Its all relative, but this division is full of suck, no matter who wins. CWS have the best chance in the postseason because of their pitching, but now that Peavy is out, who knows.

[JamStone]

Johnny Damon signed a one year contract with the Tigers and has a full no-trade clause.

Carlos Guillen has a partial no-trade clause, but honestly, who would want Guillen and his $13 million next year?

The Tigers have already given ample opportunities to the "youngsters." The ones who have shown anything continue to get opportunities. The ones who didn't have sunk.

For me, it's not a big deal to trade any prospect outside of Porcello (if you consider him a prospect still), Ryan Perry, Jacob Turner, and Casey Crosby. Andre Oliver and Charles Furbush should be available. Robbie Weinhardt, Dan Schlereth, and any of the young position player prospects should be trade-bait for the right deal.

Getting to the playoff guarantees ticket sale revenue from 2 home playoff games. That in itself would make me feel good about Ilitch spending that extra few million getting a better player this summer with all that money coming off the payroll anyway. Could be the difference between making legitimate offers at players like say Cliff Lee or Carl Crawford and players like say Rich Harden and Johnny Gomes. Tigers might not land guys like Lee or Crawford, but at least the Tigers could legitimately go after them with big contract offers.

[DarkReign]

Johnny Damon signed a one year contract with the Tigers and has a full no-trade clause.

First, I didnt know it was a one year deal with a NTC.

But I believe Damon would waive the NTC if he were to be traded to a contender.


Carlos Guillen has a partial no-trade clause, but honestly, who would want Guillen and his $13 million next year?

Didnt know he had a partial NTC, either. WTF? Why hand those out like skittles? He is now untradable. Damnit


The Tigers have already given ample opportunities to the "youngsters." The ones who have shown anything continue to get opportunities. The ones who didn't have sunk.

Absolutely true. Also osmething I forgot to account for was the way the draft works in the MLB. I was more or less thinking "Screw it, tank the rest of the season." When it really doesnt matter in baseball.

The best prospects dont get drafted until the late 1st round anyway because their contract demands are outrageous (ie Porcello, Verlander, etc).

So tanking doesnt help anything.


For me, it's not a big deal to trade any prospect outside of Porcello (if you consider him a prospect still), Ryan Perry, Jacob Turner, and Casey Crosby. Andre Oliver and Charles Furbush should be available. Robbie Weinhardt, Dan Schlereth, and any of the young position player prospects should be trade-bait for the right deal.

Getting to the playoff guarantees ticket sale revenue from 2 home playoff games. That in itself would make me feel good about Ilitch spending that extra few million getting a better player this summer with all that money coming off the payroll anyway. Could be the difference between making legitimate offers at players like say Cliff Lee or Carl Crawford and players like say Rich Harden and Johnny Gomes. Tigers might not land guys like Lee or Crawford, but at least the Tigers could legitimately go after them with big contract offers.

I just dont see the benefit of getting embarassed in the playoffs, ticket revenue or no. None of the premier players in the league are going to sign with the Tigers, none of them.

Shed salary and sign some position players, fill out that lineup, IMO.

[JamStone]

Great site for MLB contract information of every team:

http://mlbcontracts.blogspot.com/


Detroit Tigers contract info (same site):

http://mlbcontracts.blogspot.com/2005/01/detroit-tigers_21.html
http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=tEZvMIXrj8vgGMsajr8pR0g&output=html

[tlongII]

Tigers might get no-hit tonight. No hits through 8 innings. Garza is pitching a gem.

[tlongII]

No-No!

[JamStone]

Garza was on point and the Tiger line-up is woeful right now. But Garza still had to get out Cabrera and Damon and Austin Jackson, which he did every time.

Props to Garza!

[DarkReign]

*flush*

[lefty]

lol Tigers













































lol Expos

[DarkReign]

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