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LnGrrrR
10-02-2009, 09:55 AM
This article by the NYTimes (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/01/us/01pentagon.html) has some strong arguments for repealing the Don't Ask, Don't Tell policy. From the article:



The article (http://www.ndu.edu/inss/Press/jfq_pages/editions/i55/14.pdf), which appears in Joint Force Quarterly and was reviewed before publication by the office of Adm. Mike Mullen (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/m/michael_g_mullen/index.html?inline=nyt-per), the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/j/joint_chiefs_of_staff/index.html?inline=nyt-org), says that “after a careful examination, there is no scientific evidence to support the claim that unit cohesion will be negatively affected if homosexuals serve openly.”
Although the article, by an Air Force colonel, Om Prakash, carries no weight as a matter of policy, it may well signal a shift in the official winds. It won the 2009 Secretary of Defense National Security Essay competition.


As it is well-known, I'm for repealing DADT. The military was early to integrate our services along color lines; I'm all for doing it along sexual preference lines as well.

For all those who say, "But the straight military people will be showering with TEH GAYZ!", I have a few strong arguments.

1) They're already showering with teh gayz. So if soldiers are afraid of that, they're pretty stupid.

2) The military doesn't discriminate on basis of race; if soldiers are racists and display that overtly, they are dealt with. The same policy could work here.

3) For all those who think that it would disrupt unit cohesion, I ask that you rethink the professional capacity in which soldiers must serve. I'd like to believe that the great majority of armed forces are professional enough to work alongside people who may have different beliefs/values than them.

4) As the article details, we've gotten rid of large numbers of servicemen for this. By doing so, we throw away the money we've spent to train these people, at a time when we're fighting two wars. Does this make sense?

jman3000
10-02-2009, 10:13 AM
DADT is complete shit. If you're so much of a pussy that you can't serve alongside a homosexual... then you're too mentally weak to be serving in the military in the first place.

I know it's not that simple for some, but that's my opinion.

mogrovejo
10-02-2009, 10:41 PM
From the love that dare not speak its name, to the love that won't shut up. Who said this, btw? Helms? Buckley?

CuckingFunt
10-03-2009, 01:07 AM
Individual prejudice and homophobia likely won't end with the repeal of Don't Ask Don't Tell, and may even increase, but that's really the least of the policy's problems. If the policy goes away, the victims of orientation related violence and/or sexual assault will at least finally be able to report those actions, which they essentially can't do now because it means outing yourself and getting kicked out. And, if I remember correctly, getting kicked out for a Don't Ask Don't Tell violation leads to a general discharge, which takes away veteran's benefits. Benefits that, were they in place, wouldn't cover a domestic partner.

The fact that it is just a horribly broken policy to begin with is far more troubling to me that any issues of individual prejudice.

NoOptionB
10-03-2009, 02:11 PM
I stand by my thinking that if you are a ghey and can handle yourself soldiering, you should be looked up to in this society as a statistical rarity.

TMZ? no sir. You prefer M16.

Rainbow Medal of Honor for you.

LnGrrrR
10-05-2009, 08:44 AM
From the love that dare not speak its name, to the love that won't shut up. Who said this, btw? Helms? Buckley?

Ah, you're saying those uppity gays should just stay quiet, hm?

mogrovejo
10-05-2009, 04:39 PM
Ah, you're saying those uppity gays should just stay quiet, hm?

lol. yeah, I'm saying just that. It's just a humours mot d'esprit, for Christ sakes. Don't be so over-sensitive.

LnGrrrR
10-06-2009, 07:44 AM
lol. yeah, I'm saying just that. It's just a humours mot d'esprit, for Christ sakes. Don't be so over-sensitive.

Eh, my bad. Sometimes that can be tough to read on the internet. :toast I just feel this is an issue that Obama is able to fix, that he promised to fix, and hasn't yet. It irks me.

jman3000
10-06-2009, 09:22 AM
I've said this before, but I think he's going to repeal it as the 2012 election comes around to galvanize the gays. Purely a political move if he does so and it's better if it comes sooner than later, but as long as it happens then that's what matters.