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2Cleva
10-02-2009, 11:30 AM
Five observations: Seeking best Manu

By Marc Stein
ESPN.com
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SAN ANTONIO -- Five observations from Spurs camp:


1. The backstory

The story that could well linger in the background all season for the Spurs is Manu Ginobili's future with the team.

In the final season of his current contract at nearly $11 million, Ginobili is actually eligible for a contract extension any time between now and June 30, 2010.

Yet it's clear that the Spurs want to wait and see how the 32-year-old looks after ankle surgery and an offseason during which Ginobili was restricted to treadmill, bike and weight-room work -- with no basketball -- until the end of August.

Ginobili, according to Spurs coach Gregg Popovich, has begun training camp "in C+ shape but very healthy."

"Totally 100 percent healed," Popovich said earlier this week. "And that was the important part. He's just trying to get back in shape."

Teammate Tim Duncan was only half-kidding when he described Ginobili as "a basket case for at least a year with his health [being] so up and down." Ginobili himself admits that last season was the "toughest of my career by far" and describes himself as feeling "like an alien" watching the Spurs' first-round exit versus Dallas in street clothes.

But Ginobili also insists that the uncertainty about his future will not affect his game or heap even more pressure on as he attempts to come back from his ankle woes.

"It's hard to just forget about it, because you know your free-agent season is important," he said. "But what I always say is that it's not going to be an influence on the way I play the game. The way I play the game is only one way."

Full steam, in other words. Ginobili does plan to take a few more midrange shots than he has in the past, instead of trying to get to the foul line on every trip down the floor, but thinks that one adjustment is "going to be enough."

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2. Pop's plans


Spurs players have been commenting all week about the simplification of the playbook.

And that's because Popovich, with eight newcomers among the 18 players in training camp, says he's made "a concerted effort this summer to become simpler" in terms of his sets and "really cut the number of things we want them to remember offensively."

But that's only Step 1.

Popovich also says he's determined to give Tony Parker, in his eighth season, more freedom to orchestrate San Antonio's offense without guidance from the bench.

Asked if the playbook will be expanded to something closer to its standard girth as the season unfolds, Popovich said: "Not nearly as much [as in past seasons]. I'm really trying to make an effort to call fewer and fewer plays and let Tony run the show and let the flow of the motion [offense] and the reads they make dictate most of the options."

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3. Deep thoughts

If anything excites the ever-restrained Popovich at this early stage, it's the Spurs' depth.

Reason being: With no less than 13 players he'd like to find playing time for, Popovich should have no trouble holding down the regular-season minutes logged by Duncan, Parker and Ginobili, which is always the aim in San Antonio.

"That should be a little easier this year," Pop said.

How did we arrive at 13?

Duncan, Parker, Ginobili, Richard Jefferson and Antonio McDyess account for five of them. Roger Mason, Michael Finley, George Hill and Matt Bonner return from last season's rotation. Theo Ratliff and Keith Bogans are minimum-salaried defensive specialists. And Ian Mahinmi slots in alongside rookie DeJuan Blair in the prospects category.

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4. Center of attention

Everyone's loose at this early juncture. That includes Duncan, who poked fun at himself this week regarding his well-chronicled insistence that he is listed as a power forward, even though everyone knows he often winds up as the only big man on the floor for the Spurs.

McDyess confirmed that Duncan didn't wait long before greeting him with the news that Dice and Ratliff are officially San Antonio's centers this season.

"He made that perfectly clear the first day," Dice said.

Said Duncan: "I'm trying to go back to my natural position. Or my unnatural position, however you want to look at it."

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5. Miscellany

After tweaking an ankle on national-team duty with France earlier this summer but ultimately getting through the European Championships relatively unscathed, Parker is likely to be held out of the first few exhibition games as part of the Spurs' usual safety-first thinking. … Jefferson reports no issues with the thumb injury he suffered shortly before the start of camp, and he revealed on media day that he's been peppering Duncan -- his ex-teammate from the 2004 Olympics -- with claims that the Spurs traded for him because of Duncan's "deteriorating body." Says Jefferson: "I tell him he should be thanking me more than I'm thanking him." RJ's other best line: "I live in California during the summer and I've been hearing all the Laker fans all of a sudden not like me any more." …

Finley is encouraged by new arrivals such as Jefferson and even Marcus Haislip to address the Spurs' glaring lack of athleticism in recent seasons. Not so encouraging for Finley, 36, is the fact that he remains the Spurs' elder statesman despite the recent arrivals of fellow 1995 draftees McDyess and Ratliff. "I was hoping that they were one year older," Finley said. … Bogans has tried to temper repeated comparisons with defensive ace Bruce Bowen, who retired in the offseason after an eight-season run in San Antonio that established him as perhaps the league's most well-known perimeter defender. "Before I jump out there and say that," Bogans said of the Bowen talk, "let me stop a few guys."

It remains to be seen how many minutes Bogans will actually claim given San Antonio's depth and the long-standing reality in San Antonio, as described by Popovich, which suggests "that guys that we bring in usually do better the second year than the first year."

2Cleva
10-02-2009, 11:32 AM
Duncan primed to lead all-in Spurs

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By Marc Stein
ESPN.com


The cameras are focused on Tim Duncan this season. Can he stay healthy in his quest for ring No. 5?

SAN ANTONIO -- After four championships and a dozen grueling seasons and the first tangible first-round exit of his life, Tim Duncan has done all the calculations in his head.

There's a reason he changed his diet and shed 15 pounds even though no one suggested he should.

It's the same reason Duncan voiced no resistance when the San Antonio Spurs did ask him to surrender his preferred summertime hobbies of flinging heavy tires and running up steep hills and to instead delay offseason workouts of any sort for an extra month.

The Big Fundamental is "just trying to do something better for my body" because he has a very full and realistic grasp of what all the math means. Just as you would imagine.

"I've only got a couple years left in me," Duncan said the other day, stopping for a brief chat after the Spurs' opening practice of the season. "The history of basketball says that more than anything else.

"The window for me is closing," Duncan continued. "It's towards the end of my career, I have slowed down, all that stuff is true."

Duncan, at 33, will concur on every level as long as you give him this, too.

"In the same respect," Duncan quickly adds, "I still think I can play pretty well.

"I still think I can help a team win."

Duncan's bosses in San Antonio wholeheartedly agree, as confirmed by owner Peter Holt's willingness to sanction a roster makeover that has taken the payroll of the home team in the nation's 37th-largest TV market all the way to $81.7 million at present. That figure will come down slightly by opening night when the roster is pared to 14 or 15, but even so the Spurs will still sit more than $10 million above the NBA's $69.9 million luxury-tax threshold.

The organization's unspoken fantasy used to be stockpiling as much salary-cap space as possible for the ballyhooed summer of 2010 to chase Toronto Raptors big man Chris Bosh. As a Texan -- and a lefty like David Robinson -- Bosh seemed an ideal target to pair with Duncan in his twilight years, theoretically reprising the old Twin Towers effect in San Antonio, with Duncan cast in the Robinson role this time.

Yet waiting for July 2010 -- and waiting on a total free-agent maybe with no guarantee of actually landing Bosh -- likely meant grinding through one more excruciating season like last season. That's when Duncan, Manu Ginobili and Tony Parker appeared in only 41 games together and when the Dallas Mavericks drubbed the Manu-less Spurs in Round 1 in five games. San Antonio's only other first-round loss in the Duncan era carries a Texas-sized asterisk because Duncan didn't play at all in that series against the Phoenix Suns in 2000, forced into street clothes by a knee injury.

The Spurs' brain trust of coach Gregg Popovich, front-office chief R.C. Buford and Holt decided it didn't want to burn Duncan's 13th season in that sort of holding pattern/torture chamber, especially with no promise of a payoff with the resulting cap space. Popovich, Buford and Holt likewise still believe that Duncan has enough of his prime left to be the centerpiece of a championship team, with the caveat that Duncan needs a little more help than he used to.

So they elected not to wait. A few days before scoring DeJuan Blair with the 37th overall pick in what immediately was trumpeted as the steal of the draft, San Antonio traded three expiring contracts to Milwaukee -- Fabricio Oberto, Kurt Thomas and defensive mainstay Bruce Bowen -- for the right to inherit the final two years and nearly $30 million left on Richard Jefferson's contract. The Spurs then extended two guaranteed years at $9.4 million and a partially guaranteed third year to free-agent forward Antonio McDyess, who just turned 35.

"Guys like me, Timmy and Manu," Parker said on media day, owe Holt a hearty "thank you."

The only way the Spurs can be a 2010 player now would be for them to part company with free agent-to-be Ginobili at season's end and for Jefferson to opt out of the final year of his contract worth a tidy $15 million. You can safely expect neither to happen, but San Antonio's elite status could well be restored if -- and we realize this is a pretty healthy-sized if in itself -- Duncan, Ginobili and Parker can stay on the floor.

It has to be somewhat disconcerting that both Duncan and Jefferson, when asked on media day to pinpoint their goals for the season, had the same cautious reply: "Stay healthy." But let's assume, just for fun, that these Spurs do avoid significant injuries. What then?

In Jefferson, they will have the fourth option offensively that Popovich has coveted for years, enabling Pop to ask that much less of Duncan, Parker and Ginobili in the regular season.

In McDyess, they will have Duncan's most capable frontcourt sidekick since Robinson retired after San Antonio's title in 2003 … with highly touted Brazilian power forward Tiago Splitter perhaps finally ready to leave Europe and join the Spurs for the 2010-11 season.

Factor in Roger Mason, Michael Finley, George Hill, Theo Ratliff, Matt Bonner, Keith Bogans, and maybe even Blair, and you're looking at what might be the most useful supporting cast Duncan has ever had.

Which is why New York Knicks coach Mike D'Antoni, well acquainted with Duncan's Spurs at their best from his days in Phoenix, proclaimed the Spurs to be "right back where they were a couple years ago" after the team's busy summer.

"I feel great about it," Duncan said of what he describes as "basically a total overhaul."

Asked whether he thinks that overhaul has restored the Spurs to the same ZIP code as the defending champions from Los Angeles, Duncan said: "I hope so, I hope so. It remains to be seen, obviously, how the pieces fit. It's all on paper now. You can put all these pieces together. Unless they fit, it doesn't matter. But if we can put all those things together and we can be healthy at the right time, I see no reason why we shouldn't be excited about it."

The state of Duncan's physique, for starters, has attendees at Spurs camp pretty revved up about what the new season might hold. By changing his diet and returning to the swimming pool with the frequency he did as a kid, Duncan dropped those 15 pounds to get down into the 240-pound ballpark and looks skinnier than anyone can remember.

"Just trying to change my body a little bit, take some stress off my knees," Duncan said. "I've got a lot of miles on me … and I thought losing a little bit of weight would be better for the knees and for the body throughout the year."

Sounds like a wise idea, given how Duncan's knees steadily deteriorated last season after he flashed some early MVP form. But there's even more to it, according to fellow vet Finley.

"You know how Tim is," Finley told local reporters after practice Wednesday. "Tim is a guy who leads by example. He's not going to broadcast it. He's just going to go in and do his job and come back and you see the results. "It shows me and his teammates that he's taking this seriously. It's not about coasting into retirement. He's still about being one of the best players in the league."

Truth is, Duncan was still quite a force against Dallas on his two sore knees, averaging 19.8 points and 8.0 rebounds for the series. It was mostly on defense that you really noticed his hampered mobility, after Duncan's many years as a top-shelf rim protector with the savvy and sufficient speed to harass the likes of Steve Nash on pick-and-rolls, too.

Duncan has two seasons left on his contract after this season and plays a position that should allow him to stay in the game for well beyond the aforementioned "couple years" if he chooses.

The louder questions are thus being thrown at Ginobili, after issues with both ankles sidelined the game's most feared sixth man for 38 regular-season games, ruled him out of the playoffs and necessitated offseason surgery.

The louder dissent is coming from Ginobili, as well. The 32-year-old, entering a critical contract year, rejects the premise that the Spurs' core trio is no longer sturdy enough to benefit from the considerable upgrades to the rest of the roster.

"I think it's a little unfair," Ginobili said. "Tim and I both went through a lot of injuries last year. … If it continues for two more years, then, OK, it's fair to say. But I think we deserve to get another chance."

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/trainingcamp09/columns/story?columnist=stein_marc&page=Spurs-091002

DPG21920
10-02-2009, 11:33 AM
Said Duncan: "I'm trying to go back to my natural position. Or my unnatural position, however you want to look at it."

Very funny. Thanks for posting.

duncan228
10-02-2009, 11:39 AM
Thanks so much for sharing 2Cleva.

FromWayDowntown
10-02-2009, 11:45 AM
Not to overstate the obvious, but finding time for 13 ensures that the active roster will be pretty dynamic this season. And that 13 figure is without Hairston, Haislip, or Williams -- and conspicuously lacks a 3rd point guard.

lurker23
10-02-2009, 11:46 AM
Thanks, 2Cleva, really appreciate it. :toast


Ginobili is actually eligible for a contract extension any time between now and June 30, 2010.


Can anyone confirm this? I thought I had heard a date that was closer to November.

Edit: For the latest date he's eligible to sign an extension, that is.

Spursmania
10-02-2009, 11:52 AM
That's a really nice recap of their interviews and status at the moment. Great read. Thanks for posting.

timvp
10-02-2009, 11:53 AM
Can anyone confirm this? I thought I had heard a date that was closer to November.

Edit: For the latest date he's eligible to sign an extension, that is.

Stein is correct. Players on rookie deals have to extend before the end of October. Others have all the way until the day before they officially become a free agent.

Leetonidas
10-02-2009, 11:58 AM
Damn, it would be a dream if the somehow Jefferson opted out and resigned for a cheaper deal, Manu resigned for a cheaper deal, and the Spurs somehow still landed Bosh. Damn, there would be no stopping us.

ElNono
10-02-2009, 12:21 PM
Damn, it would be a dream if the somehow Jefferson opted out and resigned for a cheaper deal, Manu resigned for a cheaper deal, and the Spurs somehow still landed Bosh. Damn, there would be no stopping us.

Just take one hit and pass it on, man... you're overdoing it... :hat

Mel_13
10-02-2009, 12:33 PM
Damn, it would be a dream if the somehow Jefferson opted out and resigned for a cheaper deal, Manu resigned for a cheaper deal, and the Spurs somehow still landed Bosh. Damn, there would be no stopping us.


Just take one hit and pass it on, man... you're overdoing it... :hat

:lol

Just need Manu and RJ to play for the minimum and Bosh to take less than the max.

Leetonidas
10-02-2009, 12:42 PM
Just take one hit and pass it on, man... you're overdoing it... :hat

Sorry brah, I'm smoking for one today. No passing. :smokin

all_heart
10-02-2009, 12:51 PM
I'm really hoping Haislip plays well and lands a roster spot. With his size and athleticism he could create some match up problems for other teams, not to mention if he can learn to play decent D, he could be the type of player to guard Dirk and Odom, unless he's lacking in overall size. Or perhaps he can be the Spurs version of Ariza. Thoughts?

Interrohater
10-02-2009, 01:09 PM
I'm really hoping Haislip plays well and lands a roster spot. With his size and athleticism he could create some match up problems for other teams, not to mention if he can learn to play decent D, he could be the type of player to guard Dirk and Odom, unless he's lacking in overall size. Or perhaps he can be the Spurs version of Ariza. Thoughts?
Yea, exactly what I'd been thinking. He's mobile enough that the Spurs can have an extremely large lineup at times. When we first signed him and I saw the vid's, I thought that he's our answer to Lamar Odom. I'm not saying that he can stop Odom, but he matches up a hell of a lot better with him than anyone we've had.

lurker23
10-02-2009, 01:15 PM
Stein is correct. Players on rookie deals have to extend before the end of October. Others have all the way until the day before they officially become a free agent.

That's good to hear. I'm definitely in favor of waiting through the first month of the season to make sure he still looks good, then getting the extension done in the December to February time frame.

Spurs Brazil
10-02-2009, 02:52 PM
Two great reads

I really really hope we can be a heathy team coming playoff time

:lobt::lobt::lobt::lobt::lobt2:

TIMMYD!
10-02-2009, 07:02 PM
If we're healthy it equals this :lobt2:

Luck the Fakers

exstatic
10-02-2009, 07:47 PM
I'm really hoping Haislip plays well and lands a roster spot. With his size and athleticism he could create some match up problems for other teams, not to mention if he can learn to play decent D, he could be the type of player to guard Dirk and Odom, unless he's lacking in overall size. Or perhaps he can be the Spurs version of Ariza. Thoughts?

Unless they want to eat his contract, and the associated tax hit, he'll be on the roster.

Big P
10-02-2009, 11:42 PM
I dont find myself saying thank you to a Laker fan very often, but thank you for posting those articles.

Manufan909
10-03-2009, 12:19 AM
Duncan has two seasons left on his contract after this season and plays a position that should allow him to stay in the game for well beyond the aforementioned "couple years" if he chooses.

I sure as hell hope to see Tim backing up any 4 of Blair, Ian, Tiago, Gist, and Haislip, come 2015, but we'll just have to see.
:flag:

Danny.Zhu
10-03-2009, 01:33 AM
That's good to hear. I'm definitely in favor of waiting through the first month of the season to make sure he still looks good, then getting the extension done in the December to February time frame.

Or, when Manu doesn't look good until the playoff, Spurs can extend the contract with a cheaper prize this year? Of course on the other hand I like Manu very much and think he is underpaid a lot under the current contract.