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duncan228
10-05-2009, 02:44 PM
I don't have Insider for the complete '09-'10 Outlook, maybe someone could fill in at least the Spurs Big Three. :)

The Top 15, hit the link for the rest.

2009-2010 Hollinger Projections - All Players (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/rankings)

1. Chris Paul 2009-10 Projected PER: 29.51
League Average Comparison: +14.51
2008-09 PER: 30.04

2009-10 outlook: Paul's numbers have improved in each of his four seasons, and the projection tool I use says to plan on a fifth: It has Paul, not LeBron Jame ...

2. Dwyane Wade 2009-10 Projected PER: 28.90
League Average Comparison: +13.90
2008-09 PER: 30.46

2009-10 outlook: It's a big year for both Wade and the Heat, as he can opt out of his contract and become a free agent after the season. Speculation will run ...

3. LeBron James 2009-10 Projected PER: 28.45
League Average Comparison: +13.45
2008-09 PER: 31.76

2009-10 outlook: James posted the third-best PER of the post-merger era last season, and the amazing part is that he did it while shooting 34.4 percent on 3s ...

4. Dwight Howard 2009-10 Projected PER: 24.43
League Average Comparison: +9.43
2008-09 PER: 25.44

2009-10 outlook: Howard is the game's best center and continues to improve; it's easy to forget that he entered the league out of high school and is only 23 y ...

5. Kevin Durant 2009-10 Projected PER: 23.50
League Average Comparison: +8.50
2008-09 PER: 20.85

2009-10 outlook: Durant projects to lead the league in points per 40 minutes and to log one of the league's largest PER increases, a sentiment that most obse ...

6. Al Jefferson 2009-10 Projected PER: 23.05
League Average Comparison: +8.05
2008-09 PER: 23.16

2009-10 outlook: Jefferson wasn't overly dependent on his athleticism before the injury; his talent was his coordination for his size, and that shouldn't be a ...

7. Dirk Nowitzki 2009-10 Projected PER: 22.97
League Average Comparison: +7.97
2008-09 PER: 23.20

2009-10 outlook: Although he's no spring chicken, Nowitzki's game is likely to age extremely well. Size and shooting ability are the two biggest determinants ...

8. Andrew Bynum 2009-10 Projected PER: 22.82
League Average Comparison: +7.82
2008-09 PER: 20.03

2009-10 outlook: Despite his struggles in the postseason, my projection system likes Bynum this season. Actually, it REALLY likes him, projecting him to lead ...

9. Chris Bosh 2009-10 Projected PER: 22.80
League Average Comparison: +7.80
2008-09 PER: 22.18

2009-10 outlook: Bosh can opt out of his contract and become a free agent after the season. Oh, you've heard? ...

10. Kobe Bryant 2009-10 Projected PER: 22.65
League Average Comparison: +7.65
2008-09 PER: 24.46

2009-10 outlook: First, the bad news: Declines in free throw rate are a fairly ominous canary in the coal mine, and Bryant is 31 with a lot of mileage on his ...

11. Brandon Roy 2009-10 Projected PER: 22.56
League Average Comparison: +7.56
2008-09 PER: 24.08

2009-10 outlook: There's no reason Roy can't repeat last season's output; his numbers don't look the slightest bit fluky. In fact, he could probably shoot the ...

12. Tim Duncan 2009-10 Projected PER: 22.10
League Average Comparison: +7.10
2008-09 PER: 24.50

2009-10 outlook: The big question is how much the knees will limit Duncan, because he was a lesser player by the end of last season. The Spurs will take a kid ...

13. Tony Parker 2009-10 Projected PER: 21.85
League Average Comparison: +6.85
2008-09 PER: 23.47

2009-10 outlook: The Spurs won't repeat the Tony-on-five offense they ran at the end of last season, and Parker is unlikely to shoot as well on long 2s even i ...

14. Manu Ginobili 2009-10 Projected PER: 21.75
League Average Comparison: +6.75
2008-09 PER: 22.93

2009-10 outlook: Ginobili turned 32 in July, and his collision-heavy playing style doesn't offer a great prescription for longevity. Given how well he played ...

15. Pau Gasol 2009-10 Projected PER: 20.96
League Average Comparison: +5.96
2008-09 PER: 22.31

2009-10 outlook: Gasol's rock-solid, year-to-year consistency translates into a predictably narrow range for his numbers this season. He'll average 20 points ...

eric365
10-05-2009, 02:50 PM
so according to hollinger prediction, Bynum>Kobe this year

Maybe Lakers fan should start a "Bynum's team ?" thread :lol

Timmy!
10-05-2009, 02:57 PM
so according to hollinger prediction, Bynum>Kobe this year

Maybe Lakers fan should start a "Bynum's team ?" thread :lol

He's talking about PER not talent. :bang

rjv
10-05-2009, 03:00 PM
i remember when hollinger was all giddy about jackie butler's projected PER. what ever happened to him?

TIMMYD!
10-05-2009, 07:30 PM
Bullshit

Obstructed_View
10-05-2009, 07:57 PM
Of the people from 10-15 on that list that have any logical reason for their numbers to drop this upcoming season, it's Parker, but his assist numbers and shooting percentage should go up with better teammates, not down.

No way Bynum's PER is higher than both Kobe's and Gasol's. No way. Kobe won't have the luxury of shooting himself that far down the list because he won't have that many shot opportunities.

alchemist
10-05-2009, 08:01 PM
The year he predicted Ginobili and Dirk to have a let down (2007-2008) Ginobili had his best season ever. He's hated the Spurs ever since. :lol

Samr
10-05-2009, 08:25 PM
i remember when hollinger was all giddy about jackie butler's projected PER. what ever happened to him?

Last I heard he was auditioning for an acting job. Some show was trying to start back up I think....

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TIMMYD!
10-05-2009, 10:31 PM
Looked for RJ and it took a while he's got a 14.42 Projected PER

Spursfan092120
10-05-2009, 10:48 PM
lol @ Al Jefferson > Kobe...Hollinger = Garbage

WildcardManu
10-05-2009, 11:01 PM
Hollinger = the NBA's Miss Cleo

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Edit: someone should photoshop Hollingers head onto miss cleo... :lol

all_heart
10-05-2009, 11:05 PM
Hollinger:

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all_heart
10-05-2009, 11:09 PM
Hollinger is the NBA's

http://www.3click.tv/mp4//Chappelles%20Show/season2/metadata/62768.jpg

:rollin:rollin:rollin

narmerguy
10-05-2009, 11:19 PM
What's PER?

WildcardManu
10-05-2009, 11:22 PM
What's PER?

Numbers that have nothing to do with the game of basketball.

duncan228
10-05-2009, 11:27 PM
What's PER?

What is PER? (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/story?columnist=hollinger_john&id=2850240)
By John Hollinger
ESPN Insider

The Player Efficiency Rating (PER) is a rating of a player's per-minute productivity.

To generate it, I created formulas -- which I outlined in tortuous detail in the book "Pro Basketball Forecast" -- that return a value for each of a player's accomplishments. That includes positive accomplishments, such as field goals, free throws, 3-pointers, assists, rebounds, blocks and steals, and negative ones, such as missed shots, turnovers and personal fouls.

Two important things to remember about PER is that it's per-minute and pace-adjusted.

It's a per-minute measure because that allows us to compare, say, Jordan Farmar to Derek Fisher, even though there is a disparity in the minutes they played.

I also adjust each player's rating for his team's pace, so that players on a slow-paced team like Detroit aren't penalized just because their team's games have fewer possessions than those of a fast-paced team such as Golden State.

Bear in mind that this rating is not the final, once-and-for-all answer for a player's accomplishments during the season. This is especially true for players -- such as Quinton Ross and Jason Collins -- who are defensive specialists but don't get many blocks or steals.

What PER can do, however, is summarize a player's statistical accomplishments in a single number. That allows us to unify the disparate data on each player that we try to track in our heads (e.g., Corey Maggette: free-throw machine, good rebounder, decent shooter, poor passer, etc.) so that we can move on to evaluating what might be missing from the stats.

I set the league average in PER to 15.00 every season.

Among players who played at least 500 minutes in 2008-09, the highest rating was LeBron James' 31.76. The lowest was Donte Greene's 5.18.

PER: TOP 10 AND BOTTOM 10 FOR 2008-09

Top 10 PER

LeBron James, Cavs 31.76
Dwyane Wade, Heat 30.46
Chris Paul, Hornets 30.04
Dwight Howard, Magic 25.44
Tim Duncan, Spurs 24.51
Kobe Bryant, Lakers 24.46
Brandon Roy, Trail Blazers 24.34
Tony Parker, Spurs 23.47
Dirk Nowitzki, Mavs 23.20
Al Jefferson, Timberwolves 23.16

Bottom 10 PER

Donte Greene, Kings 5.18
Bruce Bowen, Spurs 5.37
Matt Carroll, Mavs 5.57
Adam Morrison, Lakers 5.69
Greg Buckner, Grizzlies 6.34
Yakhouba Diawara, Heat 6.40
DeShawn Stevenson, Wizards 6.91
Quinton Ross, Grizzlies 6.64
Devean George, Mavs 7.02
Desmond Mason, Thunder 7.12


For the most updated PER rankings league-wide, click here (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics?&action=login&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fnba %2fhollinger%2fstatistics).

DAF86
10-06-2009, 02:06 AM
We need some "insiders."

Ditty
10-06-2009, 08:33 AM
I stopped reading after i saw andrew

Killakobe81
10-06-2009, 12:13 PM
I alwys have argued that stats were a bunch of crap Bynum is more effective (sorry efficient) than duncan? Both Paul, Wade, Lebron and Durant better than Kobe? LOL But many on her werearguing stats why CP3 should of won MVP 2 years ago ...or why Lebron deserved it last year. I am not foolishly buying this crap Durant's defense sucks great scorer but he should not be at the top of any other top 10 list of NBA players. Bynum has potential but he is more efficent than Pau Gasol and Kobe? I think this list OFFICIALLY destroys what little credibility Hollinger had. WATCH the game ...like Herm said you play to WIN THE GAME. Based on what I see a better list would be ...
1A. Kobe
2B. Duncan (when healthy)
3. KG (when healthy)
4. Wade
5A. Lebron
6A. Howard
7. Dirk
8. Cp3 and DWIll
10. Nash

These are the guys that are the best players that have actually taken their teams to a t LEAST a conference Finals most have won MVP and still are expected to perform at very high level. I also gave more credence to defense and ACTUALLY winning a title... ye sthere are talented guys that are not on this list ...BUT I like PROVEN WINNERS ...

Jimcs50
10-06-2009, 12:31 PM
Spurs are first team to get all 5 starters on list.

:toast

diego
10-06-2009, 02:56 PM
a gringo friend hooked me up with an account, but Im running low on time so Ill just copy paste them all in one big post! here goes

2008-09 season: Ratliff waited until the season was over to make his greatest impact, leading the brigade that threw Tony DiLeo under the bus immediately after the Sixers' season ended.

While the games were being played, however, he idled. Ratliff played only 579 minutes, but even when he did, the ball didn't find him much. Ratliff sported the second-lowest usage rate in the league (see chart) and averaged a mere 6.1 points per 40 minutes. He shot decently on his few chances but didn't need to be guarded outside five feet -- he didn't take an outside shot the entire season.

Lowest Usage Rate 2008-09
Player Team Usage Rate
Bruce Bowen Spurs 6.5
Theo Ratliff Sixers 6.8
Joel Anthony Heat 7.3
Ben Wallace Cavaliers 7.3
Chuck Hayes Rockets 7.6

Ratliff didn't rebound well, either, but he showed he could still block shots: His rate of 3.25 rejections per 40 minutes ranked fifth among centers. At this point, that's the lone remaining benefit of keeping him on the court, though it's a substantial one.

Scouting report: Ratliff continues to move well at 36, delivering solid work in pick-and-roll defense and challenging shooters away from the basket. Thanks to his superior length and timing, he excels at protecting the rim against drives by flying in unexpectedly to swat shots.

Unfortunately, he really struggles defending the post. He has a high base and lacks strength, so opponents frequently post him up six inches from the rim. Sometimes he'll make a dramatic block on such plays, but far more often the opponent draws a foul or lays it in.

Offensively, Ratliff doesn't have the bulk to post up and has no ball skills, so his only points come when he converts catches near the basket on feeds from teammates. He likes to set up in the high post area but is an ineffective jump shooter.

2009-10 outlook: Ratliff signed a one-year minimum deal with San Antonio, where he'll feel right at home with all the other graybeards. He'll likely be the fifth big man in the Spurs' frontcourt rotation and see cameos when there are fouls or injuries, but his shot-blocking could play a more prominent role in the postseason when the Spurs match up against long frontcourts like those of the Lakers and Blazers.

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2009-10 outlook: The steal of the draft, Blair put up lottery-caliber numbers for Pitt but scared off teams in the first round with his knee problems. His knees may give way at some point, but in the meantime he'll provide an extremely productive big man because of his ability to rebound and score around the basket. He compares with Leon Powe as a player whom teams shunned because of his knees but produced at a high level as a pro, except that Blair's college performance was far superior to Powe's.


San Antonio benefited from other teams' cold feet by swiping Blair in the second round and can plug him into the frontcourt rotation immediately behind Tim Duncan. He'll probably play only 10-15 minutes a game, but he'll have an impact while he's out there.

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2008-09 season: Bogans lost his stopper gig to Courtney Lee in Orlando and missed out on the Magic's Finals run when they sent him to Milwaukee at midseason. Though he shot a horrific 36.7 percent from the floor, he rebounded extremely well for a guard and added his usual solid defense, so he held a modicum of value as an end-of-rotation type.

Offensively, he can't score unless he has a wide-open jumper. Bogans shot 42.3 percent inside the arc, which explains why two-thirds of his attempts were 3s. Unfortunately he converted only 33.9 percent from distance, limiting his value as a floor-spacer. Combined with how infrequently he shoots -- only four shooting guards had a lower usage rate -- few wings were as ineffective offensively. He did rebound well, however, ranking ninth in rebound rate.

Scouting report: A tough, clever wing who has made up for a lack of length and athleticism with hard-nosed play, Bogans brings two skills to the table: He's a good defender and he's a decent 3-point shooter. Beyond that, he has very little to offer -- he's hopeless off the dribble and doesn't create for others or himself.

Defensively, Bogans effectively checks 2s because he's strong and gives a great effort, but his short arms and modest size limit his ability to stop bigger players. He also appeared to have lost half a step last season at age 29, which would be unfortunate since he's counting on that skill to keep him in the league.

2009-10 outlook: Bogans signed a one-year deal for the minimum with San Antonio and should make the roster as a defensive ace who can shoot 3s from the corner -- exactly what the Spurs have asked from any wing not named Manu for the past several years. I don't expect him to crack the rotation, but he'll see brief cameos when the Spurs have injuries or face an elite wing scorer.

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2008-09 season: The declines of Fabricio Oberto and Kurt Thomas paved an opening for Bonner, who seized the opportunity by claiming the starting power forward job. He nailed 44 percent of his 3s and proved highly efficient in several ways -- his turnover rate was the second lowest among power forwards, his true shooting percentage ranked as the fifth highest, and by moving the ball when he wasn't open, he rose to 13th among power forwards in assist ratio.

Fewest free throw attempts per field goal attempts 08-09
Player Team FTA FGA FTA/FGA
Matt Bonner Spurs 23 536 0.04
Steve Novak Clippers 23 396 0.06
Jason Kapono Raptors 42 604 0.07
Rasho Nesterovic Pacers 32 437 0.07
Travis Diener Pacers 15 179 0.08

You'll notice I didn't say, "He drew fouls." Bonner took 23 foul shots in 81 games, an almost impossibly low free throw rate for a 6-foot-10, 240-pound power forward. Because he spent so much time behind the arc and rarely used head fakes when he ventured inside, Bonner pulled it off. His 0.04 free throw attempts per field goal attempt was the league's lowest rate (see chart).

Scouting report: Bonner has a power forward's body but a shooting guard's offensive game, preferring to spot up at the 3-point line and let fly with a compact release off his right shoulder. He'll also shot-fake and dribble inside the arc, where he has a nice pull-up that he'll use instead of trying to get all the way to the basket. Thanks to that move he shot 49.4 percent on 2-pointers that weren't at the basket, ranking him fourth among players with at least 100 attempts. Bonner owns no post game whatsoever, so teams can get away with matching up small against him.

Defensively, he doesn't move well but has enough bulk to battle big forwards in the post, and he proved serviceable on the defensive boards. Additionally, his defense improved a lot this past season in situations like pick-and-rolls and isolations that tax his mobility to the limit. He'll never be a good defender, but last year he was passable. The way he shoots, passable is all he needs.

2009-10 outlook: The Spurs' addition of Antonio McDyess is likely to severely crimp Bonner's playing time, as McDyess will take over the role of spot-up power forward that Bonner filled a year ago. Bonner still should earn considerable playing time as the third or fourth big man in the rotation, and in truth his starting was a stretch for him anyway. But he'll have value as long as he shoots over 40 percent on 3s, especially in this system where he can be so helpful spacing the floor for the three All-Stars.

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2008-09 season: This season represented a turning point for Duncan. After years of mind-numbingly consistent production, his numbers turned south late in the year thanks to a sore knee that limited his mobility. Look at his full-season numbers and you'd think everything was fine, but his scoring average plummeted after March 1 and his blocked shots nearly halved.


He's 33 and has played 33,000 career minutes, so we knew this day might come at some point. And the injury didn't render him completely ineffective -- he's still 7 feet tall and knows how to play. He just couldn't dominate around the basket as he did in the past.


Look at the full-year stats and it's the typical "Groundhog Day" performance for Duncan -- second among centers in PER and usage rate; fifth in usage rate, pure point rating and defensive rebound rate; and all with the fourth-lowest rate of fouls at his position. The only stat the knees impacted was Duncan's proportion of jumpers -- 17 percent of his attempts were long 2s, nearly double his proportion from two years ago.


Scouting report: Duncan is one of the most complete and fundamentally sound big men to ever play the game. He can score in the post with either a face-up bank shot or a jump hook off a right-handed drive into the lane, and he has become very adept at passing out of double-teams. Duncan has 18-foot range on his jumper but it tends to come off flat; he struggles at the free throw line for the same reason.


In addition to standing 7-foot, Duncan has long arms and good timing, so he's able to block or alter shots with a little hop at the last second instead of winding up and taking himself out of the play. For this reason, few bigs are better at protecting the basket while still preventing a rebound opportunity for the opponents. If you're gong to quibble, he has some trouble getting out to shooting big men, but overall he's one of the game's elite defensive players.


2009-10 outlook: The big question is how much the knees will limit Duncan, because he was a lesser player by the end of last season. The Spurs will take a kid-gloves approach, limiting his offseason work and most likely limiting his minutes during the season, too.


Duncan possesses so many skills that even if the knee trouble doesn't let up, he'll still make the All-Star team and average on the order of 18 and 10. However, the minutes will cap his output, as the always minutes-conscious Spurs would likely limit his outings to 30 minutes a night. If the knee turns out better, perhaps those numbers improve to 20 and 11, but I doubt it will make the Spurs any more anxious to extend his playing time until the postseason.

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2008-09 season: Finley didn't make mistakes, but too often he just didn't do anything. He averaged just more than 13 points per 40 minutes and only two small forwards got to the free throw line with less frequency -- he started 76 games but took only 62 foul shots. He rarely ventured in the paint, taking only 12.4 percent of his shots in the immediate basket area, and he offered little value on the boards. Those negatives offset the value of his 41.1 percent mark on 3s -- a new career high -- and another miniscule turnover rate.


Although he turned 36 last year, Finley remains among the game's most durable players, logging more than 28 minutes a game last year and never showing any fatigue. In fact, he played 81 games and has missed only six in four seasons with the Spurs.


Scouting report: Finley gets great elevation on his jumper and can shoot it very accurately in catch-and-shoot situations, which is how he scores most of his points. He can also shoot off the dribble but doesn't dribble well and lacks the zip in his step to beat defenders on the move. He'll move the ball immediately if he's not open, part of his late-career genesis as an extremely low-mistake player who rarely goes beyond his boundaries.


Finley remains a decent defender with good size and leaping ability that allows him to play a half-step off shooters and still challenge their shots. However, he struggles to chase opponents through screens and quicker wings can beat him off the bounce. Again, he's a low-mistake player, ranking third in fewest fouls per minute (see Tayshaun Prince comment).


2009-10 outlook: Finley will likely come off the bench given the Spurs' offseason additions and play much less than he did a year ago. The shift makes sense, as he couldn't deliver what was asked of him as a full-time starter. Look for Finley to play 15-20 minutes a game this year, but his per-minute output shouldn't change much. He'll still shoot 40 percent on 3s and never turn the ball over, making him useful in that role. If it doesn't work out, Finley has an expiring deal worth $2.5 million that the Spurs might look to cash in at the trade deadline.

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2008-09 season: Ginobili dealt his usual brilliant play when healthy, but those moments were increasingly rare last season. He missed 41 games with an ankle injury early and a stress fracture late, and in between suddenly lost his 3-point touch, hitting only 33 percent.


By other metrics, however, he was as effective as ever, ranking fourth among shooting guards in PER and first among bench players. Ginobili's now-familiar foul-drawing antics earned him the seventh-highest free throw rate among shooting guards and he converted 88.4 percent from the stripe. Despite the wayward 3-point stroke, he ranked third at his position in true shooting percentage. He proved beastly on the glass, too -- his defensive rebound rate and overall rebound rate both finished second among shooting guards. His nose for the ball seemed as active as ever, with 2.17 steals per 40 minutes.


Finally, Ginobili set a new career mark by hitting 65.5 percent of his shots in the immediate basket area. He'd hovered in the mid-50s the past several years and his mark last season was nearly the best among perimeter players (see Andre Igoudala comment). For a guy who rarely showed up 100 percent healthy, it was a heck of a year.


Scouting report: A crafty left-hander who specializes in sudden, unexpected changes of direction, Ginobili's circuitous drives to the basket constantly get him to the free throw line. He ably creates contact and shot-fakes defenders into fouls, something he embellishes with well-documented flair. His drives also allow him to create shots for the Spurs' spot-up shooters, though he called his own number more often last season.


Ginobili has evolved into a very good pull-up 3-point shooter off the dribble -- he shoots a set shot rather than jumping, but if his defender goes behind the screen on a pick-and-roll, he'll get it off. His stroke came off from distance last season but he nailed 38.6 percent over the past five years, so opponents need to respect his long-range threat.


Defensively, Ginobili has fantastic anticipation off the ball and plucks steals, and he rebounds as well as any guard in the league. He's not a particularly good on-ball defender, though, and big wings overpower him on the blocks. Fortunately, the Spurs rarely ask a lot from him on this end to conserve his energy for offense.


2009-10 outlook: Ginobili turned 32 in July, and his collision-heavy playing style doesn't offer a great prescription for longevity. Given how well he played in his rare moments in the lineup last year, the more immediate worry for San Antonio isn't that he'll decline, but that he simply won't be on the court enough to make a big impact. Even when he's healthy, the Spurs play him only around 28 minutes a game to reduce the wear and tear.


Presuming he can make it on the court for 65 games or so, Ginobili has a great shot at reclaiming the Sixth Man award. Even if his numbers diminish a bit due to age, he's likely to lead all reserves in PER, and few players can score better than a point every two minutes while shooting as efficiently as he does.


Of note, however, is the fact Ginobili has an expiring deal worth $10.7 million and will be an unrestricted free agent after the season. The Spurs can sign him to an extension before the season starts, but they probably want to see how he holds up physically before committing.

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2009-10 outlook: A "re-import" from Europe and a former first-round pick of the Milwaukee Bucks who flamed out badly, Haislip signed with San Antonio hoping to re-establish himself as an energy player off the Spurs' bench. He's always been a tweener and isn't a great outside shooter, but the hope is that he can make up for it with defense, effort plays and transition finishes. Based on his translated European stats, I'm highly skeptical he can pull it off.

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2008-09 season: He's not quite a point guard and not quite a shooting guard, but Hill is a basketball player of some kind. His rookie campaign was strong enough that the Spurs will use him in some capacity much more in future seasons.


Hill is athletic and long-armed, which translated into two very strong stats -- he placed seventh among point guards in rebound rate and seventh in blocked shots. However, he was far too aggressive and committed a foul every 8.5 minutes; only two point guards fouled more often.


Right now his shooting tops the list of concerns. Hill shot 27.8 percent on long 2s, one of the worst performances in the league, and 29.2 percent on shots away from the basket. He managed a bit better on 3s (32.9 percent), shot well in the basket area and drew a high rate of fouls, but without a consistent J, he'll always have trouble scoring.


Scouting report: Hill stands 6-foot-3 with long arms and defends well at either backcourt spot. His height may prevent him from becoming a true wing stopper, but he could prove suffocating as a full-time point guard. He's still learning what he can do against pros, as evidenced by his hyper aggressiveness in pressuring the ball during his rookie year, but the talent is undeniable.


However, he can't showcase his defense without a defined offensive role. Hill can finish at the basket because of his length, but he doesn't shoot consistently or run the point with great skill -- his pure point rating ranked 60th out of 69 point guards. He needs to be able to execute one or the other to serve as more than an intriguing role player.


2009-10 outlook: While Hill will likely play the majority of backup point guard minutes behind Tony Parker, on numerous occasions he'll spot up off the ball while Manu Ginobili plays "point forward." Rookie guards with high turnover rates often make tremendous progress in their second season, and with the glimpses of ability Hill provided, he may join those who take a major step forward. That probably won't change his playing time outlook much for 2009-10 given the star-studded San Antonio backcourt, but this year may well determine the trajectory of what comes afterward.

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ull2008-09 season: Jefferson's shooting percentage won't elicit any raves, but he drew so many fouls that he scored effectively and the 82 games he played were a notable exception on a Bucks squad that dropped like flies all around him. The impact of those injuries is evident in Jefferson's splits -- he switched from averaging 12 shots a game in December to 18 in March, and his second-half scoring average increased by more than five points.


For the year Jefferson ranked eighth among small forwards in free throw attempts per field goal attempt, and he finished in the top third of small forwards in true shooting percentage, turnover ratio and PER. He endured his third straight disappointing season as a rebounder and at this point it's safe to say the board numbers he put up in New Jersey are a thing of the past. Otherwise, his value held up quite well.


Jefferson hadn't shot the 3-pointer well until last season, when he shot it more than ever and marked a career-best 39.7 percent. Of particular significance was his 45.8 percent mark on corner 3s, the sixth-best mark in the league among players with at least 100 attempts (ironically the man he was traded for, Bobby Simmons of New Jersey, was fifth). We'll talk a little more about the importance of those corner 3s below.


Scouting report: Jefferson is an athletic wing who likes to attack the basket, especially going to his right from the right side, and because of his size and explosion near the rim, he's very effective at drawing fouls. He neither dribbles cleverly nor sees the floor well, mostly relying on straight, hard drives rather than any deception. Jefferson also excels at running the break along the right wing as a finisher and has become a more consistent outside shooter in recent years.


Jefferson focused more on defense in Milwaukee after taking the year off with the Nets a year earlier, though he'll bail on his rebounding responsibilities to leak out on the break. He does a good job one-on-one and opponents rarely try to post him up or isolate against him, but he's not as enthusiastic about chasing opponents through screens or helping on the weak side.


2009-10 outlook: The Bucks unloaded the $32 million left on Jefferson's deal by trading him to San Antonio, where he'll provide a dose of energy to a weary veteran squad that leaned too heavily on its three stars. Of note is his newfound ability to hit corner 3s, because historically the Spurs spot up their small forwards in the corner more than any team in the league. If his numbers from a year ago hold up, he can be a real weapon from that spot, punishing opponents who focus in too much on the Spurs' star trio.


He'll start at small forward and is highly unlikely to achieve the same per-game averages because he'll consume fewer shots. But he hasn't missed a game in two years and should provide an effective minutes sponge for a team that badly needs one. Meanwhile, he'll boost his shooting percentage back into the high 40s thanks to a better quality of looks.

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2008-09 season: This was supposed to be Mahinmi's big crack at a spot in the rotation, but an ankle problem sidelined him nearly the entire year so the opportunity went by the wayside. He played only 23 minutes for the parent club and one game for Austin in the D-League.


Scouting report: An energy big man drafted as a project out of France, Mahinmi doesn't have a lot of game experience but put up very strong numbers in the D-League two years ago, providing an encouraging glimpse of his potential. He'll be 23 the opening week of the season and at 6-foot-11, 230 pounds with good athleticism, there's hope he can become a rotation player.


2009-10 outlook: Mahinmi will compete for minutes in a much more crowded frontcourt than a year ago, but Gregg Popovich shuttles in so many big guys in most games that Mahinmi is bound to get an opportunity sooner or later. However, he'll first need to prove the ankle is healthy and shake off the cobwebs.

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2008-09 season: The free-agent pickup established himself as one of the league's top outside shooters, especially in late game situations. Mason shot 42.9 percent on 3s while taking nearly half his shots from out there and hit 89 percent from the line, both career highs, while hitting several game-winning shots in his first season in Texas.


Despite those glaring positives, he really wasn't that good. Even with all the 3s, his true shooting percentage was muted, because he virtually never got to the basket. Long 2s and 3s comprised 82.9 percent of his shots; among players with at least 500 shot attempts, only Eddie House, Daequan Cook and Mike Bibby wandered into the paint less often. Throw in average to below-average numbers in the other categories, and even a 30-minute role stretched him despite his excellent shooting. In the end, 40 shooting guards finished with a better PER than Mason did, and his defense was subpar, as well.


Scouting report: In addition to shooting very well off the catch, Mason also can hit off the dribble going left or right and knows how to use screens to free his jump shot. He's a decent dribbler who can move to the point (and often did last season) but has limited quickness so he rarely penetrates inside. When he does, he experiences trouble finishing due to a lack of explosion.


Mason is a mediocre defender, with decent strength and intensity but somewhat slow feet and limited jumping ability. He's a conservative defender who posted the third-lowest rate of steals among shooting guards and won't beat himself, but he's nobody's idea of a wing stopper and small, quick guys blaze past him when he moves to the point.


2009-10 outlook: Mason will probably start games again but is highly unlikely to finish them with Manu Ginobili back in the mix and Richard Jefferson's arrival. George Hill will likely claim some of the minutes Mason enjoyed as a backup point guard, too, leaving Mason with a 20-minute role as a wing reserve and zone-buster. That's more in keeping with his skill level, and if he shoots like he did last year, he'll solidify that bench slot. But if he's playing 30 minutes a night again, it's a bad sign because he isn't that caliber of player.

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2008-09 season: McDyess made one of the most egregious miscalculations in recent history, taking a severe pay cut to return to a Detroit team that failed to win a playoff game instead of joining the Nuggets for their run to the Western Conference Finals. The one month layoff seemed to set him back at first, but he rallied with a vengeance late in the season. McDyess averaged a double-double with better than 50 percent shooting from Feb. 1 on, the second time in three years he's put up absolutely monstrous numbers in the second half after being mediocre at best in the first.

2-Point shot distribution leaders by category, 2008-09
Player Team % of FGA as 2s away from basket % of FGA as long 2s
Antonio McDyess Pistons 74.1 61.9
Dirk Nowitzki Mavericks 70.2 Not in top five
Tony Battie Magic 68.2 Not in top five
Channing Frye Blazers 66.0 57.5
Nenad Krstic Thunder 65.4 50.1
Luol Deng Bulls Not in top five 45.5
Zydrunas Ilgauskas Cavaliers Not in top five 43.3
Source: NBA.com/hotspots

McDyess rarely shoots at the basket anymore unless it's a putback; all he does now is face up from the top of the key or the left elbow. He led the league, in fact, in the proportion of his shots from the left side (see Richard Hamilton comment). Of his 2-point shot attempts, 74.1 percent were away from the basket and 61.9 percent were long 2s; he led the league in both categories among players with at least 100 shot attempts (see chart). His rate of long 2s was particularly amazing, as only a handful of players took half as many of their shots from that range.

The good news is that he drained all those Js. McDyess' 47.4 percent mark on long 2s rated fourth in the NBA and his 51 percent mark on straight-on attempts led the league. And because he was just catching and shooting, he rarely turned the ball over, ranking second among centers in turnover rate.

Finally, he crashed the boards despite setting up outside. He set a career high in rebound rate, ranking ninth among centers.

Scouting report: He was 34 years old last year, but it was hard to find anything wrong with McDyess' game. Although he suffered knee problems earlier in his career, he's projected a picture of health the last several years and offset a loss in explosiveness by refining his jump shot and defensive fundamentals.

McDyess loves to set up for pick-and-pop plays at the high post or left elbow, and he possesses range out to 18 feet. He can pass from up there, as well, and will post up on the left block against smaller defenders -- to shoot a face-up jumper. Even though he sets up out high, he crashes the boards and remains fairly athletic for his size, in addition to having a solid build.

McDyess can play both frontcourt positions but center is a challenge for him, as his play with the Pistons demonstrated to everyone's satisfaction last season. At 6-foot-9 he gives up too many inches to big centers and isn't enough of an intimidator to affect opponent shots at the rim. The Pistons' overall malaise last season probably didn't help his enthusiasm for the job, but Detroit gave up 5.5 points per 100 possessions more with him on the court. He performs better against power forwards, especially traditional post-up 4s. The ones who shoot 3s challenge his mobility and pull him away from his preferred perch under the rim.

2009-10 outlook: McDyess signed with San Antonio on a three-year deal for the midlevel with a partially guaranteed third season. Since McDyess has said he wants to play only two more years, this effectively offers him a golden parachute in year 3.

He'll start at power forward alongside Tim Duncan, (though he'll be listed at center in order not to hurt Tim's feelings), and while he'll have trouble matching last year's rebounding numbers, he'll likely regain some of his enthusiasm for defending and shot-blocking in a more competitive environment. His knack for high-post shooting should make him a perfect fit with Duncan offensively. Lastly, expect him to start slowly since much like his new team, he has a longstanding track record of rapidly gaining steam after the All-Star break.

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2008-09 season: With Manu Ginobili and Tim Duncan both hurting and nobody else on the roster capable of creating their own shot, the Spurs basically made Parker the entire offense in the second half of the season. He responded by averaging 24.5 points, 7.3 assists and shooting 55 percent the final two months of the season, but the strain eventually took its toll -- he visibly ran out of gas in the playoffs against Dallas from the strain of having to do it all himself.


Parker led all point guards in usage rate and was fourth in the league overall, and he created quality shots, too. His 50.6 percent shooting led all point guards, he was 15th in true shooting percentage despite seldom taking 3s, and he generated the ninth-lowest turnover ratio among point guards.


For a little guard, his ability to get in the paint stands unrivaled. More than half his shot attempts came in the immediate basket area and he converted 59.7 percent. He also shot long 2s better than ever, making 45.5 percent of them, but he continues to be a reluctant long-range shooter. Parker launched only 65 3-pointers on the season and made just 19; he's offered up fewer than one a game each of the past four seasons.


Scouting report: Parker annoys purists because he drives to score rather than to pass, but he's a one-man layup machine with outstanding quickness going to either side and a real knack for finishing at the basket. Parker rarely draws fouls despite constantly going to the rim, but he has an array of floaters, flips and head fakes that he uses to keep defenders off balance and finish at the basket. He's a great finisher in transition, too, though he's almost always coming in by himself while his older teammates huff and puff behind him.


Parker turns the ball over remarkably little for somebody who goes to the basket so much, but as a passer he sticks mostly to the simple stuff -- kickouts when he's covered, swings around the perimeter and the like. You'll rarely see him zip a dazzler between defenders for an easy bucket. Defenders used to go behind the screen when he ran the pick-and-roll and dare him to shoot, but he's become a good midrange shooter -- especially to his left. Now they have to respect him there, opening even more driving lanes.


Parker is an above-average defender -- though he doesn't play with great intensity, he's quick and is bigger than he looks. He's a low-risk defender who rarely gambles and doesn't pilfer many steals. However, his effort slackened last season when he had to carry so much weight at the offensive end.


2009-10 outlook: The Spurs won't repeat the Tony-on-five offense they ran at the end of last season, and Parker is unlikely to shoot as well on long 2s even if they do. Add it all up and it's improbable he'll match last year's output. Additionally, he's a quick guard entering his later 20s, which is a danger zone for this type of player.


Sum it up and it's more realistic to expect his 2007-08 output -- roughly 19 points and six assists with 50 percent shooting and a PER right around 20. That still makes him one of the league's top point guards and probably puts him on the All-Star team, but probability dictates that last year will prove the high-water mark for his individual stats.

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