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Winehole23
10-06-2009, 01:00 PM
Uneven Engagement (http://www.amconmag.com/larison/2009/10/05/uneven-engagement/)

by Daniel Larison

I appreciated Kevin Sullivan’s lengthy response (http://www.realclearworld.com/blog/2009/10/sanctions_or_nothing_ctd.html) to my earlier post (http://www.amconmag.com/larison/2009/09/29/unacceptable/) on Iran sanctions (http://realclearworld.com/blog/2009/09/iran_sanctions_or_nothing.html). Sullivan and I are at odds on several points, but where we may disagree most of all is here:
The notion that the United States and the greater international community have somehow failed to reach out to the Islamic Republic in an effort to normalize relations and ease economic sanctions is totally false and unfounded.
It depends very much on what we mean by “reach out.” No one will deny that there has been a history of engaging in talks with and making gestures of goodwill to Tehran as another means of pursuing unobtainable objectives. Indeed, I never claimed otherwise in my first post. Obama is alternately praised or cursed for his “engagement” of Iran, but the administration crafted its policy of engagement with the hope that it will yield Iranian disarmament. This is something that will not happen, which is not an argument against pursuing full normalization of relations. On the contrary, recognizing the futility of trying to disarm Iran is the beginning of working to integrate Iran as a pillar of regional security. For most participants in the debate, the thought of rapprochement is unthinkable until Iran abandons nuclear weapons ambitions. As I see it, rapprochement is the only way to adapt to Iran’s eventual acquisition of nuclear weapons without setting off the regional arms race many fear and without resorting to the use of force that will trigger broader conflict and which will fail to achieve its objectives in any case.



Most of the “reaching out” in the past has been carried out through symbolic gestures and rhetorical nods. Apologizing for the U.S. role in the 1953 coup did not end or modify the policy of dual containment that the Clinton administration pursued. Sending mid-level officials to Geneva, as the Bush administration did in its second term, did not remove the threat of “pre-emptive” use of force against Iranian nuclear facilities, and it did not halt covert support for Jundullah in eastern Iran. Were an historically hostile regime to make such half-hearted, minimal gestures to Washington, very few Americans in or out of government would find them credible.



There is a similar assumption afflicting Russia policy debate, as if there has been a time in the last eighteen years when U.S. policy towards Russia was not in some important respect confrontational and provocative. The argument is much the same: we have repeatedly sought good relations with Russia to no avail. As with Iran, the examples of our goodwill towards Russia are few and not very meaningful. If we recognize this, Russian skepticism and distrust are much easier to understand. Western hawks on Russia love to cite Bush’s silly remark that he had looked into Putin’s soul, as if this kind of empty public banter meant anything to Moscow at the same moment when Bush was pushing to scrap the ABM Treaty and expand NATO to their borders over their strenuous objections. Our government makes some minimal move, and this is supposed to override all the other substantive complaints the other government has.



Even when our government does something that does address the other government’s concerns, Washington always expects unreasonably great reciprocation from the other side. Having scrapped the missile defense system in central Europe, Washington expects Russian aid in pressuring Iran, which it was never likely to do under any circumstances. In short, even when we budge on points of contention, we give an inch and expect the other state to give up a mile, and then we recoil in frustration when the other state does not respond to our efforts to “reach out.” So, yes, we have “reached out” to Tehran many times over the years, but always haltingly, inconsistently and never with any intention of accepting Iran’s core security interests. It is no surprise that this sort of engagement has yielded nothing of consequence.



P.S. I would add that most of the “international community” has no interest in pressuring Iran on this or any other matter, much less compelling it to abandon its nuclear ambitions. This is a preoccupation limited almost entirely to the U.S. and our European allies. What makes effective sanctions regimes against Iran so politically difficult to create is the broad indifference of much to the world to the prospect of Iranian nuclear weapons, because most nations in the world can see quite clearly that it is nothing to them whether or not Iran has a nuclear deterrent. Rising Asian powers and emerging-market countries simply do not see Iran as a threat, so when we are talking about engaging or “reaching out” to Iran we are speaking primarily of the U.S. and our major European allies. Even most of the latter engage in significant commerce with Iran.

Winehole23
10-06-2009, 01:02 PM
from the comments:


5 Responses to “Uneven Engagement”



Gordianus (http://www.odysseusontherocks.com/), on October 5th, 2009 at 11:03 am (http://www.amconmag.com/larison/2009/10/05/uneven-engagement/#comment-33901) Said:
What are “Iran’s core security interests?” I’ve never heard them stated concretely. If they include domination of the Persian Gulf, we may be in a tragic but rational collision course with them. When they were a friendly government under the Shah we encouraged them in such pretensions. What leads us to believe that if their security concerns were resolved, they would cease to undermine our position elsewhere? I really don’t know the answer. I do suspect that after the Mullahs fall, they will be a likely ally, as they once were.
Of course if we weren’t dependent on foreign oil much of this would be moot.
Sheldon, on October 5th, 2009 at 12:13 pm (http://www.amconmag.com/larison/2009/10/05/uneven-engagement/#comment-33902) Said:
Daniel, please explain
1) why we would have any interest in “reaching out” to Iran (under its current leadership) other than the desire to prevent its acquisition of nuclear weapons; and
2) what your “rapprochment” with Iran would look like if we accomplished it, and how this would forestall a regional arms race.
Daniel Larison (http://larison.org/), on October 5th, 2009 at 1:17 pm (http://www.amconmag.com/larison/2009/10/05/uneven-engagement/#comment-33903) Said:
Iran is a major regional power, and as such it has natural interests in maintaining Gulf security, wielding influence among its neighbors and avoiding destabilization inside by separatist forces. Iraqi stabilization under its present government is in their interests, and this would assist us in getting our forces extricated from Iraq. Iran has had a long-term interest in commerce and influencing the politics of western Afghanistan; it is an obvious ally in bringing some modicum of security to Afghanistan. Those are the immediate reasons why we should want to have rapprochement with Iran. Longer term, given the decades-long pursuit of nuclear weapons under both the Shah and the revolutionaries, Iran is going to develop nuclear weapons at some point in the future. Iran can either be integrated as a pillar of regional security with nukes or it can continue to be isolated as a pariah with nukes. The first option makes Iranian nukes much less of a danger to all involved. The second is what we will have with the current dead-end of sanctions and threats.


As a major regional power with substantial energy reserves, it makes sense commercially to have dealings with them and integrate them more fully into the regional economy. Turkey and India have already been leading the way on this. Backing militias and terrorist groups in Lebanon and the Palestinian territories seems peripheral to their main concerns, and it seems to me that Iran might be persuaded to withdraw this support if its core interests were respected.


Zakaria claims that the regime has an ideological commitment to perpetuating its own isolation, which makes full engagement useless, but I disagree. Iran goes out of its way to maintain the appearance of compliance with international rules in order to preserve its commercial and diplomatic ties with Europe. Isolation may serve to strengthen the regime relative to its domestic opposition, but it is not something that most regimes seek.


Rapprochement would mean restoring full diplomatic relations, opening up trade, removing penalties for doing business in and with Iran, and possibly treating Iran as an ally in shared regional security problems. The model for this is probably more along the lines of Vietnam than India, but that is roughly what I would have in mind.


Rapprochement could prevent a regional arms race by gradually bringing Iran into the system of political and military cooperation that we have with the Gulf states. If Iran becomes an ally or simply a formally non-aligned regional power, it has added incentives to limit the size of its arsenal and it has fewer reasons to fear attack or competition in building up nuclear arsenals from our other nuclear-armed allies. If Iran and Washington are no longer at daggers drawn, the Gulf states, Jordan and Egypt would have fewer reasons to see Iran’s nuclear arsenal as a direct threat to them and so would have less reason to build their own weapons.

There are no guarantees, and it is possible that other states will feel compelled to acquire their own deterrents over time. As I understand it, most hawkish concerns about Iran have less to do with the proliferation of weapons as such and more to do with the fear that Iran is the kind of regime that would use these weapons in a first strike or through covert action. I think these concerns are baseless and irrational, but if we had rapprochement with Iran they would simply become irrelevant.

hope4dopes
10-06-2009, 01:08 PM
I'm sure the Jews will handel it.