The Heath-care Silver Bullet?

[Nbadan]

Looks like the FEDs are gonna throw this hot pota'toe' in the state's court...

Sam Stein
Dems Discussing Public Option With Opt-Out Clause: The Silver Bullet?


Senate Democrats have begun discussions on a compromise approach to health care reform that would establish a robust, national public option for insurance coverage but give individual states the right to opt out of the program.

The proposal is envisioned as a means of getting the necessary support from progressive members of the Democratic Caucus -- who have insisted that a government-run insurance option remain in the bill -- and conservative Democrats who are worried about what a public plan would mean for insurers in their states.

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But instead of starting with no national public option and giving state governments the right to develop their own, the newest compromise approaches the issue from the opposite direction: beginning with a national public option and giving state governments the right not to have one.

"It is being discussed," said one progressive strategist who has been working on reform with both the White House and Congress. "In the end obviously, the goal and near-term exercise is to get to the bargaining table and get to the conference committee between the Senate and House with the strongest position (on the public plan) possible."

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Another Democrat working on reform legislation added, "If everyone gets a plan, and states have to affirmatively vote, preferably by referendum, to opt out. I really don't see a lot of states opting out, for one. And, for two, you get your national (public plan) available everywhere. If a few holes start appearing, it's not nearly as fatal as if you went with the Carper plan, which after a few years might mean 10 or 20 (state-based) public options. If you go the other way, you'll probably have like 47 states. It's a big difference."

Huff (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/07/dems-discussing-public-op_n_313054.html)

...interesting plan, wonder if the DINOs will go for it?

[boutons_deux]

state public option is just like state coops, too small, and will be crushed by the giant private for-exorbitant-profit insurers,state by state

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

What a bunch of pussies in D.C.

Leave it to the states to opt out? Nice way of putting the heads of the state legislators on the line over your crappy bill.

LOL@ boutons.

[coyotes_geek]

We can rest assured that Texas would opt out in a heartbeat.

[George Gervin's Afro]

We can rest assured that Texas would opt out in a heartbeat.

and continue to rank last with people without insurance..:toast

[coyotes_geek]

and continue to rank last with people without insurance..:toast

Better that than getting entangled in a nationwide public option run by the federal government that is destined to be a failure.

[Wild Cobra]

Looks like the FEDs are gonna throw this hot pota'toe' in the state's court...

You mean where it belongs, right?

[CosmicCowboy]

The game will be fixed where all 50 states subsidize the public option even if all 50 states don't participate. Health care will be financed out of the general revenue and not some "lock box" health care fund. See social security.

[balli]

Good. The average blue stater having access to insurance and staying alive when the average southerner would be told to fuck off and die, is only a good thing for America.

[101A]

Good. The average blue stater having access to insurance and staying alive when the average southerner would be told to fuck off and die, is only a good thing for America.


Please post the link between life expectancy and insurance coverage.

Also, post the link where Blue States are thriving to the point that you want what they do to be thrust on the rest of us.

[DarrinS]

Good. The average blue stater having access to insurance and staying alive when the average southerner would be told to fuck off and die, is only a good thing for America.


Wow. What a dick!

[balli]

I thought you were in favor of people being told to fuck off and die?

[boutons_deux]

"life expectancy and insurance coverage"

The number is about 45K deaths/year due to no/delayed/insufficient insurance coverage.

Also, avoidable medical errors responsible for about 90K deaths/year.

[hope4dopes]

and continue to rank last with people without insurance..:toastWhen you say Texas ranks last with people without insurance how many of those people are illegal aliens.Perhaps that may account for the high number?

[Winehole23]

Please do your own homework, micca. You are responsible for backing up your own claims.

[hope4dopes]

Good. The average blue stater having access to insurance and staying alive when the average southerner would be told to fuck off and die, is only a good thing for America. Wow dude when your rainbow colored hood and robe come back from the cleaners you gonna stage some cross burnings ......er I mean some peace sign burnings.

[hope4dopes]

Please do your own homework, micca. You are responsible for backing up your own claims.Please fuck off precious, and stop your idiotic presumptions.

[ChumpDumper]

In fact, numerous studies, including ones by the Texas Department of Insurance, indicate that roughly 80 percent of those the Gallup organization or the Census Bureau would count as uninsured are actually U.S. citizens. “If we took all the immigrants out of Texas—legal and illegal—we would still have the highest uninsured rate in the country,” says Eva DeLuna, a budget analyst at the Center for Public Policy Priorities (CPPP), an Austin-based think tank.
http://blog.newsweek.com/blogs/thehumancondition/archive/2009/08/19/texans-are-most-likely-to-be-uninsured-gallup-says-but-don-t-blame-immigrants.aspx

[boutons_deux]

They just did a study in CA about CA's CalCare or whatever their public plan is called.

In LA, something 0.1% of the patients were shown to be non-citizens. Fraud by docs and hospitals is a much bigger cost than treating illegal immigrants.

[ChumpDumper]

Steven Camarota, research director at the Washington-based Center for Immigration Studies, a conservative group that supports stronger immigration enforcement, said that if immigrants and their U.S.-born children aren't counted, only New Mexico tops Texas in percentage of residents without health insurance – and by less than 1 percentage point.

"If I pull out the immigrants and their kids, Texas still ranks right near the top," he said.

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/longterm/stories/092009dnbusuninsured.21f0d1c.html

[hope4dopes]

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/longterm/stories/092009dnbusuninsured.21f0d1c.html Thanks dude

[Winehole23]

Please fuck off precious, and stop your idiotic presumptions.What, that it's your job to back up your bs? :lol

It was easily refuted anyway. PFA ain't the way to go on this board. You'll get pantsed almost every time.

[hope4dopes]

What, that it's your job to back up your bs? :lol

It was easily refuted anyway. PFA ain't the way to go on this board. You'll get pantsed almost every time. Would you please stop nancing around the board like some demented head mistress from a girls prep school giving elocution lessons, and telling people to cross their legs. I simply asked if anyone knew what the statistic might be, what may be the factors....chillax mrs. havisham

[Winehole23]

I simply asked if anyone knew what the statistic might be, what may be the factors....chillax mrs. havisham Disingenuous. You suggested, rhetorically, that immigrants are to blame for Texas low ratio of uninsured. You were wrong.

Now that you've been shown up, you doll up your cynical suggestion as an innocent request for information.

Who do you think you're fooling, micca?