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mazerrackham
10-07-2009, 08:01 PM
I was wondering what you guys think, obviously Chase Budinger is a gifted player offensively, he can shoot lights out, and he can shoot in a variety of ways: coming off of screens, off of the dribble, etc. But is he like Matt Bonner in that he doesn't bring defense and rebounding to the table? Did anybody get a good look at his defensive skills in the preseason game?

noob cake
10-07-2009, 08:09 PM
For one, he is not a SF stuck in a PF's body. He is an elite athlete unlike Bonner.

exstatic
10-07-2009, 08:19 PM
He's not an elite athlete by NBA standards. He'll always struggle on defense, even more so because he's never been known as a hard worker. If he works and accepts a role, he might carve out a 6-8 year career as a low double digits bench scorer. Then again, he could be out of the league after his first contract, and euro bound.

completely deck
10-07-2009, 08:21 PM
He had a decent game versus our third and fourth string. As I'm watching them against the starting 5 for Boston, he aint shit.

Rogue
10-07-2009, 08:27 PM
For one, he is not a SF stuck in a PF's body. He is an elite athlete unlike Bonner.
You are a motherfucking retard, period.

Cant_Be_Faded
10-07-2009, 08:28 PM
Never have high hopes for a white tall perimeter player from the states

symple19
10-07-2009, 08:59 PM
You are a motherfucking retard, period.

this

duncan228
10-07-2009, 09:02 PM
Rocket fan likes him.

Chase Budinger - 2nd round steal

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=136243

duncan228
10-07-2009, 09:55 PM
Chase Budinger, Friends With Benefits (http://www.48minutesofhell.com/2009/10/07/chase-budinger-friends-with-benefits/#more-4907)
by Timothy Varner
48 Minutes of Hell

Chase Budinger’s NBA career is off to a good start. He was a big part of Houston’s defeat of the Spurs on Tuesday night. That Daryl Morey knows what he’s doing. Watching Budinger showcase his skills against San Antonio reminded me of an interview I did with him at the Chicago Pre-Draft Combine. I never had an excuse to post the footage until now.

One of the features of the Combine, and a contributing factor to the Spurs’ selection of DeJuan Blair, is the ability of front offices to interview dozens of individuals from the draft class. The Spurs conducted interviews with a large number of the participants on hand, and one such interview was with DeJuan Blair.

Blair was slated to go well before the 37th pick, but, you know, when he’s right there in the same hotel as you, why not spend 30 minutes with the guy? Take 30 minutes to assess, in the crazy circumstance of an unexpected slide, the player’s personality, whether he’s a good fit in locker room, if he’s intelligent, and all that. The Spurs took that approach with DeJuan Blair (http://www.48minutesofhell.com/2009/05/29/digging-for-answers-with-dejuan-blair/).

But what do front offices ask players in these interviews? What questions allow them to unveil the man behind the mask? This is what I asked Chase Budinger, who was interviewed by San Antonio, but he is not referring to that interview in this clip.

An aside: The video was shot by Ryan Miller of The Orange Segment (http://blog.syracuse.com/orange-segment/index.html). Ryan was a great friend to 48MoH at the camp, and went on to enjoy fifteen minutes of fame when the people at Nike purloined his LeBron Got Dunked on Video (http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-42-47/LeBron-James--Dunking-and-Authenticity.html).

So that’s my voice to the left, Ryan with the camera, and Chase with the answers.

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mookie2001
10-07-2009, 09:57 PM
anyone watch him last year? he had a pretty pedestrian season at AZ

Samr
10-07-2009, 10:11 PM
One of the features of the Combine, and a contributing factor to the Spurs’ selection of DeJuan Blair, is the ability of front offices to interview dozens of individuals from the draft class.

I'm pretty sure even if he answered interview questions in sign language he still would have been drafted. The fact that it was a SECOND ROUND PICK was a contributing factor to the Spurs' selection of Blair. Hell, even if it was a late first round pick the Spurs still would have nabbed the guy. Just a guess, but while his interview may have been good, I'm pretty sure it had nothing to do with their selection. The other teams essentially made the Spurs' choice for them. Notice the .4 seconds they were on the board? Miracles happen twice.

JMarkJohns
10-07-2009, 10:15 PM
anyone watch him last year? he had a pretty pedestrian season at AZ

18 ppg, 6 rpg, 3.5 apg, 1.5 spg on 48% FG, 40% 3FG...

He had flaws, but I wouldn't say pedestrian considering the coaching circumstances...

Cant_Be_Faded
10-07-2009, 10:17 PM
Name one white tall perimeter player from the states who did something right out of college recently

JMarkJohns
10-07-2009, 10:18 PM
Mike Miller

mazerrackham
10-07-2009, 10:20 PM
He had a decent game versus our third and fourth string. As I'm watching them against the starting 5 for Boston, he aint shit.

I don't expect him to score consistently every game, but he has potential as a shooter, I don't expect Blair to be beastly every game either, I'm sure he'll have a bad game every now and then. The point is, with his shooting ability (which isn't just a spot up shooter) he'll be able to get shots up. Besides, all I was really asking about in this thread was his defensive/rebounding skill set.

Cant_Be_Faded
10-07-2009, 10:24 PM
Mike Miller

arguable
i'll give it to you

but the list is lacking

JMarkJohns
10-07-2009, 10:27 PM
arguable
i'll give it to you

but the list is lacking

I'll take the 18-22 ppg put up by Keith Van Horn at his peak as well...

And if you think 16 ppg, 7 rpg, 4 apg on 48% FG and 43% 3FG is arguable, then you've got too lofty (and unreasonable) of expectations.

exstatic
10-07-2009, 10:31 PM
18 ppg, 6 rpg, 3.5 apg, 1.5 spg on 48% FG, 40% 3FG...

He had flaws, but I wouldn't say pedestrian considering the coaching circumstances...

Actually, while those would be nice NBA numbers, for the NCAA those numbers are pretty pedestrian, especially for a former first team Parade A.A.

Budinger thought he was IT coming out of HS. He never lived up to expectations.

JMarkJohns
10-07-2009, 10:36 PM
Actually, while those would be nice NBA numbers, for the NCAA those numbers are pretty pedestrian, especially for a former first team Parade A.A.

Budinger thought he was IT coming out of HS. He never lived up to expectations.

For a team that averaged just over 60 ppg a game, 18 points is pedestrian? And 6 rebounds from a SF is pedestrian? You're nuts...

I'd like to know how you know what Chase thought coming out of high school. He's one of the softest spoken top-10 recruits ever. He was completely unselfish, which is his biggest flaw - lack of takeover mentality.

Sure, he had swagger, but he was a #1 rated volleyball prospect and a top-5 rated basketball prospect. If you were as good at anything as Chase was at sports, I'm sure you'd have some swagger about you too...

Cant_Be_Faded
10-07-2009, 10:36 PM
I'll take the 18-22 ppg put up by Keith Van Horn at his peak as well...

mookie2001
10-07-2009, 10:42 PM
i'll take raef lafrentz the year he averaged 4 blocks per game, doesnt mean he was a good player

Darkwaters
10-07-2009, 10:43 PM
Hes a real nice player. Sure hes got his warts, but I'd personally love to have him. He was long slated as a lottery pick and people thought he'd go somewhere in the mid teens. That would have been a significant reach on him honestly. But considering where he was drafted he was a savvy selection. Not bad.

Solid D
10-07-2009, 10:59 PM
Chase isn't a very good defender but he is a terrific player. I thought he was one of the best players in the summer league...I mean he just shot lights out.
The Rockets made a great trade to get him.

JMarkJohns
10-07-2009, 11:04 PM
It's a misconception to say he's a terrific athlete. He has amazing explosion and vertical leap, but his quickness is average to mediocre, linear to lateral... He's good enough of an athlete to make a motion offense work vs. most players and his explosiveness is a strength, even at the NBA level, in transition.

His lack of lateral quickness, especially, limits his defense, but realistically, I don't think he's ever been encouraged to play strong defense, so his mentality is lacking.

Chieflion
10-08-2009, 06:17 AM
He finally decided to miss some shots against Boston.

alamo50
10-08-2009, 07:56 AM
Budinger hasn't been compared by his college coach to Sean Elliott for nothing.

DaDakota
10-08-2009, 08:08 AM
He is a good player, and he fits into Rick Adelman's offense beautifully.....I think we have found our Peja...

DD

Indazone
10-08-2009, 08:47 AM
Dude has a 42" vertical. He's crazy athletic. Forget he's white. The guy shoots 3 ptrs like there's no tomorrow. Quick release

"Reggie Miller"????

completely deck
10-08-2009, 09:03 AM
Dude has a 42" vertical. He's crazy athletic. Forget he's white. The guy shoots 3 ptrs like there's no tomorrow. Quick release

"Reggie Miller"????

I'm guessing you didn't watch him play against a team that was trying to win (Boston). He played against our third and fourth string. No validity there.

DaDakota
10-08-2009, 09:37 AM
I'm guessing you didn't watch him play against a team that was trying to win (Boston). He played against our third and fourth string. No validity there.

He played pretty well, his shot just didn't go down...happens to everyone....he still contributed.....and looked great....

And wasn't that Roger Mason flying by on that pump fake Budinger gave him?

DD

mystargtr34
10-08-2009, 10:01 AM
Budinger is an elite athlete, even by NBA standards. He recorded a 38.5 inch vertical, good for equal third in the entire pre draft camp. He had decent sprints and agility scores too. He has a good chance of becoming more than just a shooter, like finish at the rim off of cuts and drives off curls because of that athleticism. He's ball handling obviously needs a lot of work - but he is a very good athlete... so he has a chance to become more than just a 3 point specialist.

I was real surprised he dropped so low.

beachwood
10-08-2009, 03:11 PM
It's a misconception to say he's a terrific athlete. He has amazing explosion and vertical leap, but his quickness is average to mediocre, linear to lateral... He's good enough of an athlete to make a motion offense work vs. most players and his explosiveness is a strength, even at the NBA level, in transition.

His lack of lateral quickness, especially, limits his defense, but realistically, I don't think he's ever been encouraged to play strong defense, so his mentality is lacking.

A very accurate description of Chase. He arrived at Arizona with a ton of hype, but never quite lived up to the high expectations. He would have phenomenal games for the Wildcats, but then there were times it seemed he would give up.

If he toughens up, he'll have a good career.

Man In Black
10-08-2009, 03:34 PM
Chase is a more athletic version of former U of A standout and former steady NBA player Jud Buechler. They have the same background in that Volleyball was their other primary sport and they could dominate at that game. Jud made a creer of being a steady role player and if Chase has the same work ethic, he'll be just like Jud. Steady and reliable, not quite starter material but could start if needed, like in case of injury. He'll do more help than harm.