Marion was badass...

[mattb_25]

Talk about a good game, he doesn't seem slowed down, though it's just one game. I'm just curious to see how him and Jho play together...

[badfish22]

The most impressive thing about Marion was that all his 26 points came in the paint. Thats what the Mavs need, easy buckets. He had like 5 dunks tonight.

Roddy Beaubois was also badass.

Some of the moves he did left the opposing fansooohing.
Those back to back steals on Arenas were just nasty. I almost felt bad for Arenas. Getting embarrassed by a rookie.

[DPG21920]

I seriously think this can be the year the Mavs put it together. If they make a move to get a legit starting center, they can be really scary. They are going to be very good this year. They have a tricky roster, but if they can gel fast enough, they have a lot of versatility.

[DPG21920]

By the way, in all seriousness, did any one see Gortat's line:

35 min, 14 PTS, 14 REB, 6 BLK

[dallaskd]

Roddy impressed the hell out of me. Could be a very solid PG in a few years.

[dirk4mvp]

Wait so there's a chance that Beaubois won't be a complete waste of a pick? :toast

[mattb_25]

Shit Roddy could end up being the steal if the draft... Either him, Blair, or that one white guy the rockets got in the 2nd round..

[mystargtr34]

Beabouis has George Hill like physical tools...

[monosylab1k]

Roddy's ceiling is higher than George Hill....try the guy Hill is backing up. Except Roddy can shoot 3's.

[Allanon]

By the way, in all seriousness, did any one see Gortat's line:

35 min, 14 PTS, 14 REB, 6 BLK

Gortat's a very good backup, probably a starter on the Magic if not for that Dwight guy. Hell, he'd be the starting center on the Spurs I'd bet.

[dickface]

Yeah the Mavs got kicked in the Gortats by Otis Smith.

[anonoftheinternets]

Gortat's a very good backup, probably a starter on the Magic if not for that Dwight guy. Hell, he'd be the starting center on the Spurs I'd bet.

spurs starting center is mcdyess. Have u not heard?

[stretch]

spurs starting center is mcdyess. Have u not heard?

gortat > mcdyess

[mystargtr34]

Roddy's ceiling is higher than George Hill....try the guy Hill is backing up. Except Roddy can shoot 3's.

He might be the next Magic Johnson.

[anonoftheinternets]

gortat > mcdyess

opinion ... sure... possibility maaaybe ...
facts .. Nope ...

Year Team G GS MPG FG% 3P% FT% OFF DEF RPG APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG
Gortat
Career -- 69 3 12.1 0.559 1.000 0.583 1.5 2.9 4.4 0.2 0.3 0.7 0.39 1.70 3.7
McDyess(Jus last two years to make a fair comparison)
07-08 DET 78 78 29.3 0.488 0.000 0.622 2.6 5.9 8.5 1.1 0.8 0.7 0.96 3.20 8.8
08-09 DET 62 30 30.1 0.510 0.000 0.698 3.0 6.8 9.8 1.3 0.7 0.8 0.82 3.10 9.6

[Allanon]

spurs starting center is mcdyess. Have u not heard?

Younger McDyess was a good player but he's 35 now, I'd definitely take Gortat over McDyess right now.

Gortat plays backup to the best Center in the NBA so he doesn't get the minutes. But if you break down his production according to his minutes, he's highly productive.

Last Season Per 36 Minutes:
Per36 - McDyess - 11pts, 51 FG%, 12rbd, 1 block
Per36 - M. Gortat- 11pts, 57 FG%, 13rbd, 2.4blocks

McDyess - Age 35, Gortat Age 25

[pauls931]

This fucking kills me. Seriously the Mavs, only way it could be worse is if the Lakers trade Walton for him. He was the Suns defense.

Also I saw espn had some updates on the suns. It makes me sick to see pictures of Kerr sitting next to gentry. Wish suns fans would run him and sarver out of town, find another owner.

[picc84]

Marion played great last night, but he's still Marion. Once shit gets real, I expect him to shrivel.

[anonoftheinternets]

Younger McDyess was a good player but he's 35 now, I'd definitely take Gortat over McDyess right now.

Gortat plays backup to the best Center in the NBA so he doesn't get the minutes. But if you break down his production according to his minutes, he's highly productive.

Last Season Per 36 Minutes:
Per36 - McDyess - 11pts, 51 FG%, 12rbd, 1 block
Per36 - M. Gortat- 11pts, 57 FG%, 13rbd, 2.4blocks

McDyess - Age 35, Gortat Age 25

yes because extrapolations from 12 min to 30 mins are always linear. What about consistency? PO proven performance? Its not so easy to just say "per 36mins". I personally HATE that stat.

Im not saying marcin gortat sucks, but i am saying he sucks compared to mcdyess now. Of course potentially he might have a ceiling "as high" as mcdyess. But when mcDyess is at that ceiling right now (he is nobody's fool at this moment), and when we are talking about starting center this year (so 35/25 doesnt matter, of course if we extrapolate 5 years in advance gortat at 30 will be better than mcdyess at 40. I will give u that much).

[Findog]

Wait so there's a chance that Beaubois won't be a complete waste of a pick? :toast

They're not stashing him in Europe. I don't know how many minutes are available to him with Kidd, JJB and JET, so play him 35 minutes a night in the D-League. From what I've seen I think he has the potential to be a good player in this league down the line.

[kamikazi_player]

Younger McDyess was a good player but he's 35 now, I'd definitely take Gortat over McDyess right now.

Gortat plays backup to the best Center in the NBA so he doesn't get the minutes. But if you break down his production according to his minutes, he's highly productive.

Last Season Per 36 Minutes:
Per36 - McDyess - 11pts, 51 FG%, 12rbd, 1 block
Per36 - M. Gortat- 11pts, 57 FG%, 13rbd, 2.4blocks

McDyess - Age 35, Gortat Age 25
:tu not only that, Mcdyess's stats might fall off this season. I would take Gortat over McDyess.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

If you think Marion is good, then wait till he plays against the Spurs or tries to create his own shot, then get back to me.

[Allanon]

yes because extrapolations from 12 min to 30 mins are always linear. What about consistency? PO proven performance? Its not so easy to just say "per 36mins". I personally HATE that stat.

I can understand that extrapolations are not always reliable but they do apply in Gortat's case. His lack of huge stats is directly affected by Dwight's 36 minutes per game with basically 12 minutes left for Gortat.

But if you give Gortat minutes, he produces...and he's like the 5th/6th option on a talented team. For example, when Dwight got suspended for elbowing some dude in the Playoffs last year, Gortat filled in perfectly and the Magic didn't miss a beat and won by 25 points. Gortat put in 11 pts and 15 rebounds.

Heck, the Mavs offered him the most they could and got matched by the Magic. If the Mavs had actually gotten Gortat, I would rate them higher than the Spurs.

Gortat is an outstanding defensive Center, excellent shotblocker and all while still having a good offensive game. He can shoot the 3, shoot midrange hooks or dunk the hell out of the ball. I'd place him in the Top 15, maybe even Top 10 Centers.

He plays very good defense while having good offense, there's only a couple of Centers in the NBA like Gortat...most can only do 1 or the other. The only reason Gortat is not better known is because he plays behind Dwight.
KuxwxBQNSQk

[Findog]

Matrix

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Matrix


Yup, he's so fast, you think you see him, then the playoffs come around, and you have no idea where he went.

[Muser]

Yup, he's so fast, you think you see him, then the playoffs come around, and you have no idea where he went.

:lol

[werewolf]

If you think Marion is good, then wait till he plays against the Spurs or tries to create his own shot, then get back to me.

The Suns were scared of the Spurs. You could see it. The Mavs aren't. Different team with a different attitude. Unless he has an injury (God forbid) I think Marion is going to be a monster this year.

I've seen Marion in interviews when he was on different teams. I've never seen him like this. He appears to be absolutely "giddy" about being in Dallas. The whole team seems different. They're so upbeat and loose. Chemistry seems very strong. I have a really good feeling about this year.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

The Suns were scared of the Spurs. You could see it. The Mavs aren't. Different team with a different attitude. Unless he has an injury (God forbid) I think Marion is going to be a monster this year.

I've seen Marion in interviews when he was on different teams. I've never seen him like this. He appears to be absolutely "giddy" about being in Dallas. The whole team seems different. They're so upbeat and loose. Chemistry seems very strong. I have a really good feeling about this year.


It wasn't just the Spurs. Marion has been a choke artist against various teams in the playoffs. He's just a flat out, bitch made mentally soft choker.

[pauls931]

It wasn't just the Spurs. Marion has been a choke artist against various teams in the playoffs. He's just a flat out, bitch made mentally soft choker.

Ignoring the fact that he always guarded the toughest player on the other team and was the only player that would attempt to help on D.

[badfish22]

If you think Marion is good, then wait till he plays against the Spurs or tries to create his own shot, then get back to me.

But he doesn't need to create his own shot with us, thats the thing. He got 26 points last night and we only ran TWO plays for him.

And we have Dirk for the spurs.

[Ghazi]

It wasn't just the Spurs. Marion has been a choke artist against various teams in the playoffs. He's just a flat out, bitch made mentally soft choker.

youre mad at sarver, not at marion i forgive you!

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

But he doesn't need to create his own shot with us



He didn't need to with the Suns either. That doesn't mean he won't throw away 4-5 possessions every game trying to dribble drive or shoot off the dribble. Plus, if he doesn't get his shots, he turns into a whiny cancer who plays lazy.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Ignoring the fact that he always guarded the toughest player on the other team.


And did a horrible job at it.

[Findog]

After the last two years in basketball Siberia, Marion seems motivated and excited to be a Mav. Hopefully he gained some perspective from not being in a winning environment.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

After the last two years in basketball Siberia, Marion seems motivated and excited to be a Mav. Hopefully he gained some perspective from not being in a winning environment.


You act like Marion cares about winning. Marion cares more about Marion than anyone/thing else.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

And if I seem bitter, I am bitter that if Marion (the Suns highest paid player at the time) wasn't a sackless lazy cuckold against the Spurs in 2007, the Suns win a championship.

[Findog]

You act like Marion cares about winning. Marion cares more about Marion than anyone/thing else.

He got paid and he's on a winning team. He was way more dissatisfied in Miami and Toronto than he ever was in Phoenix. We'll see what happens.

[pauls931]

DoK, can you name one Suns player in the past 30 years you actually liked besides Tim Thomas?

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

He was way more dissatisfied in Miami and Toronto than he ever was in Phoenix.


Not at all. He said that he enjoyed playing on Miami more than Phoenix because he was under appreciated in Phoenix and too much was expected.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

DoK, can you name one Suns player in the past 30 years you actually liked besides Tim Thomas?

Jake Tsakalidis.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Well see how he works, it is a good thing that he's re-united with Kidd. He got along a lot better with Kidd than he did with Nash.

[pauls931]

Jake Tsakalidis.

Odd, I was expecting you to say Joe Kline.

[Findog]

Not at all. He said that he enjoyed playing on Miami more than Phoenix because he was under appreciated in Phoenix and too much was expected.

I doubt he feels that way now. In any event, we'll see what happens.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Odd, I was expecting you to say Joe Kline.


It's not Goran Dragic. Dude sucks.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Odd, I was expecting you to say Joe Kline.


Remember when Big Jake was drafted :lol, the Colangelos hyped him up like he was the answer to Shaq they've been missing.

[pauls931]

Remember when Big Jake was drafted :lol, the Colangelos hyped him up like he was the answer to Shaq they've been missing.

That was the goofy looking russian dude with spikey hair right?

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

That was the goofy looking russian dude with spikey hair right?


He was def. Eastern European but not sure if he was Russian, maybe you're confusing him with Zarko.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

I just checked, my big nigga was born in Russia, but is actually Greek. If KBP wasn't banned he could give a full scoop about him.

[pauls931]

He was def. Eastern European but not sure if he was Russian, maybe you're confusing him with Zarko.

I rememember what he looks like, he has a short shelf life like Patrick Garrity in Phoenix and the rest of the crappy centers they've been through over the years.

[monosylab1k]

It wasn't just the Spurs. Marion has been a choke artist against various teams in the playoffs. He's just a flat out, bitch made mentally soft choker.

I'm not sure this is really true. It's undeniable that he plays worse in the playoffs, but maybe it's because of the style he plays and not necessarily a mental hangup.

Marion gets almost all his points in transition and with "easy" baskets. In the playoffs when defenses tighten up, those "easy" buckets are harder to come by. Since he can't create his own shot, his production naturally goes down. I really don't think it's because he's a "choker".

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Marion gets almost all his points in transition and with "easy" baskets. In the playoffs when defenses tighten up, those "easy" buckets are harder to come by. Since he can't create his own shot, his production naturally goes down. I really don't think it's because he's a "choker".

Game 5 against the Spurs, he had a WIDE open three to tie the game up, and bricked it.

But regardless, you said it's clear his production goes down in the playoffs. In my book, that makes him a choker. It could be because of his skill set, it could be because he's a sackless pussy, but IMO, one who's production and effectiveness goes down in the playoffs is a choker.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Yall can say what you want, Marion is a keeper.

You musta missed all those playoff games when Lamar Odom cuckolded him.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

No, but you guys were contenders when he was apart of the equation, now look what you got.


We would still be contenders if our stiffest competition was the 2007 Spurs. Being a contender in 2007 and a contender in 2010 are two completely different things.

[Culburn369]

no, but you guys were contenders when he was apart of the equation, now look what you got.

...o & 42.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

...o & 42.

While you'll be an 0 & 55 discharged airforce pilot.

[Culburn369]

While you'll be an 0 & 55 discharged airforce pilot.

With 15 confirmed kills to my credit.

WOOT!

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

With 15 confirmed kills to my credit.


No, being a bandwagon Laker fan doesn't give you fifteen championships, it just makes you a delusional retard for thinking you do (particularly when 5 of those 15 weren't even won in LA). But hey, whatever makes you feel better when your biggest achievement in life is getting AZCentral's message board shut down.

[Culburn369]

No, being a bandwagon Laker fan doesn't give you fifteen championships, it just makes you a delusional retard for thinking you do (particularly when 5 of those 15 weren't even won in LA). But hey, whatever makes you feel better when your biggest achievement in life is getting AZCentral's message board shut down.

It was that 3rd in-a-row that tipped the lantern over and started the inferno. The first two were bad enough, but, that third? I God's, they came after old Cubby hammer & tong. I got a gallon of Conoco's very best and lit the Arizona nite like Christmas in July....and AZ Central was no more.

Muhahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

It was that 3rd in-a-row that tipped the lantern over and started the inferno. The first two were bad enough, but, that third? I God's, they came after old Cubby hammer & tong. I got a gallon of Conoco's very best and lit the Arizona nite like Christmas in July....and AZ Central was no more.

Muhahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Neat. Most people generally have a full time job when they're 40 and have better things to do than getting message boards shut down.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

No you wouldn't. The Suns are garbage.


Most Spurs fans on this site think you're retarded, so what you say really doesn't matter.

[Culburn369]

Neat. Most people generally have a full time job when they're 40 and have better things to do than getting message boards shut down.

I ain't most people, squirt.

[Culburn369]

Most Spurs fans on this site think you're retarded, so what you say really doesn't matter.

No, no, DUNCAN, Damus is correct here=the Suns are garbage.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

No, no, DUNCAN, Damus is correct here=the Suns are garbage.


You've dedicated your life (literally, that's not an exaggeration at all) to hating them, there must be something intriguing about them.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

I ain't most people, squirt.


Yer right, most people don't hit on a fellow pilot and get discharged from the air force. Tee, hee.

[badfish22]

No, but you guys were contenders when he was apart of the equation, now look what you got.

Shhh.... hes obviously upset about the whole thing. He just can't stand seeing Marion excel on another team.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

He just can't stand seeing Marion excel on another team.


:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

Marion has been dog shit since he left the Suns. I've been happy as ever seeing that cancer fail.

[badfish22]

:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

Marion has been dog shit since he left the Suns. I've been happy as ever seeing that cancer fail.

You can laugh, but that doesn't change the way you feel inside. You can't honestly tell me you wouldn't want Marion on the Suns.

Plus he is the opposite of a cancer in Dallas. Now that he has that long guaranteed contract, he can just focus on basketball. Seeing him in the training camp videos, he seems like a great locker room guy. He is always laughing and having fun with the other players.

Amare has been and still is the cancer in Phoenix.

[sonic21]

Plus he is the opposite of a cancer in Dallas. Now that he has that long guaranteed contract, he can just focus on basketball. Seeing him in the training camp videos, he seems like a great locker room guy. He is always laughing and having fun with the other players.


:lmao

you sound like a suns fan 3 years ago.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Amare has been and still is the cancer in Phoenix.


Did I ever say otherwise?

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

I don't want Marion on the Suns.


There, I said it.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

On a side not, Suns fans do not look too happy to start the season.


You guessed it!!!

[badfish22]

There, I said it.
Pussy hurt much?

For a guy who hates Marion, you sure do have a lot of post in this thread.

And Blade, Im not going to even bother auguring with you. Because your rebuttal is the same every time.
Usually goes something like this: ":lol Immigrant dumbass 5 year old, you fucker :wakeup"

Really shows your vocabulary off. There's almost always a comma splice thrown in there too.

[dirk4mvp]

I'll take Marion who's still probably a borderline all star when motivated over Singleton.

[DJB]

Younger McDyess was a good player but he's 35 now, I'd definitely take Gortat over McDyess right now.

Gortat plays backup to the best Center in the NBA so he doesn't get the minutes. But if you break down his production according to his minutes, he's highly productive.

Last Season Per 36 Minutes:
Per36 - McDyess - 11pts, 51 FG%, 12rbd, 1 block
Per36 - M. Gortat- 11pts, 57 FG%, 13rbd, 2.4blocks

McDyess - Age 35, Gortat Age 25


I thought Bynum was the best center in the NBA?

[Allanon]

I thought Bynum was the best center in the NBA?

If you thought Bynum was the best Center in the NBA, you've been drinking too much Bynum Kool-Aid.

It's cool that Bynum has other non-Laker supporters but no way Bynum's the best Center in the NBA.

[IronMexican]

It's funny seeing this Dejuan Blair poster try to rip Laker fans for being optimistic when his fucking thing under his name talks about wrecking Dirk.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

It's funny seeing this Dejuan Blair poster try to rip Laker fans for being optimistic when his fucking thing under his name talks about wrecking Dirk.

:lmao

[dallaskd]

Marion and Hump looked really good tonight. :tu

[SouthTexasRancher]

Roddy's ceiling is higher than George Hill....try the guy Hill is backing up. Except Roddy can shoot 3's.


ROTFFLMFAO...talk about a dreamer. Put the bong down before your head explodes!

[mystargtr34]

Marion and Hump looked really good tonight. :tu

I always thought Hump was an underated pick up in the Marion trade. He played some solid minutes for the Raptors, and hes a big body.

[KidCongo]

Is Jawai going to make the team Mavs fans?

[badfish22]

Is Jawai going to make the team Mavs fans?

Doesn't look like it.

Hasn't played a single minute.

Roddy kinda came back to earth today. Besides that unbelievable pass, didnt really do much in his limited minutes.

[pauls931]

Damn, I miss him. Good D, and a perfect compliment for nash and Amare. Too bad they couldn't get along. He was the perfect slasher to play off nash. However... He sucked ass during the playoffs (offensively) because the D would lock down on him and he can't create his own shot.

Amare has a lot to prove this season. No Shaq clogging the lane, no marion to compete with, just nash to spoon feed him.

[Chieflion]

I always thought Hump was an underated pick up in the Marion trade. He played some solid minutes for the Raptors, and hes a big body.
Raptor fans were always pissed off about Hump. When he checks in, he plays well. Then, he starts to think he is a superstar and coach has to take him out of the game to address this. Rinse and repeat.

[duncan228]

Marion to sit a spell: Shawn Marion will miss the next few days of practice and probably Thursday's preseason game against Detroit with a mild right calf strain, team officials said.

Marion said after Sunday night's game that he didn't think the injury was serious, but wanted to give it some time to fully heal. He missed the preseason opener with the same injury, then had 26 points in the second exhibition.

"It's not a serious problem right now, and we want prevent it from getting unmanageable," Carlisle said.

The injuries to Marion, Howard (left ankle) and Thomas (right knee) mean only 13 players were healthy for practice Monday.

And it also means other players will get more playing time Thursday.

"[James] Singleton is going to start seeing some more minutes at three [small forward]," Carlisle said, adding that perimeter players could slide to small forward.


http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/basketball/mavs/stories/101309dnspomavslede.2f46047.html

[sribb43]

On a side not, Suns fans do not look too happy to start the season.

There still trying to get over the fact that there season went down with Robin Lopez

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

There still trying to get over the fact that there season went down with Robin Lopez


If you think our season didn't go down long before that then you're retarded.

[pauls931]

If you think our season didn't go down long before that then you're retarded.

I think lopez going down will probably net the suns 2 more Ws this season.

[Culburn369]

Though you coulda hit lightening in a bottle.

Have to feel bad for Lopez though. Everything was set up perfectly just for him. A fresh start as the starting center. He'll play again of course, but, it'll never be quite like that again.

[K-State Spur]

People consistently confused Marion's VERSATILE defense with GOOD defense. Analysts would drool over him because he could guard Duncan and Parker in the same game - nevermind that either one was going for 30 on him...

[Culburn369]

People consistently confused Bowen's VERSATILE defense with GOOD defense. Analysts would drool over him because he could guard Kobe in the game - nevermind that Kobe was going for 30 on him...

tee, hee.

[wanggi]

Whatever Kobe do, he's still a Colorado Rapist.

[Culburn369]

Whatever Kobe do, he's still a Colorado Rapist.

True, so he might as well stockpile all the rings he can....4 & counting.

[wanggi]

True, so he might as well stockpile all the rings he can....4 & counting.
Still a Rapist.

[Culburn369]

Still a Rapist.

Precisely. Can't do anything about that. But, he can still garner NBA Championships.

4 & counting.

Yer counting too, sonny...O & 41!

tee, hee.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Precisely. Can't do anything about that. But, he can still garner NBA Championships.

4 & counting.

Yer counting too, sonny...O & 41!

tee, hee.


0 & 54!

tee, hee

[Culburn369]

0 & 54!

tee, hee

15!

Woot!

[badfish22]

tee, hee.


Nice gay little laugh you got there.

[DPG21920]

Marion has an injured calf. Serious?

[Trainwreck2100]

Marion has an injured calf. Serious?

I didn't know he had a farm.

[Culburn369]

Nice gay little laugh you got there.

You being the gay expert.

[lurker]

Marion has an injured calf. Serious?
It's nothing serious. He'll be fine.

[badfish22]

You being the gay expert.

Nice dodge.


And Marions got a sore calf. Nothing serious.