Al Sharpton attacks Limbaugh again

[Wild Cobra]

When will the left stop trying to circumvent our rights?

Sharpton: Block Limbaugh's Bid for Rams (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/10/12/sportsline/main5378965.shtml), first part of article:

(CBS/AP) The Rev. Al Sharpton wants the National Football League to block conservative radio host Rush Limbaugh from bidding on the St. Louis Rams.

Sharpton sent a letter to NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell on Monday. He said Limbaugh has been divisive and "anti-NFL" in some of his comments.

Limbaugh did not immediately respond to a request for comment Monday.


Sharpton, Jackson Attack Limbaugh's Rams Bid (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,564860,00.html?test=latestnews), part of article:


Limbaugh shot back at Sharpton on his radio show.

"Now, this saddens me as well this disappoints me," he said. "I know Rev. Sharpton. Sharpton is better than this. He knows better than this. You know, I didn't judge Al Sharpton's fitness to be in radio when he wanted to earn an honest living for once, given his well-documented past as the author of the Tawana Brawley hoax. I believe in freedom and I also don't discriminate."

Limbaugh said last week that he is teaming up with St. Louis Blues hockey team owner Dave Checketts in a bid to buy the Rams. He has declined to discuss details of the offer, citing a confidentiality agreement.

[PixelPusher]

When will the left stop trying to circumvent our rights?

Sharpton: Block Limbaugh's Bid for Rams (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/10/12/sportsline/main5378965.shtml), first part of article:


Sharpton, Jackson Attack Limbaugh's Rams Bid (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,564860,00.html?test=latestnews), part of article:
The NFL is a private club, they get to decide who joins. If you don't like it, write your local Senator about their anti-trust excemption.

[clambake]

"plantation dreams" by rush limbaugh.

[Wild Cobra]

The NFL is a private club, they get to decide who joins. If you don't like it, write your local Senator about their anti-trust excemption.
I agree. As much as the likes of Jackson and Sharpton want the people to be free, why do they try to stop out the free association of others?

[PixelPusher]

I agree. As much as the likes of Jackson and Sharpton want the people to be free, why do they try to stop out the free association of others?
Jackson and Sharpton have every right to petition the NFL. The NFL has every right to heed or ignore their petiton. If they decide Limbaugh isn't ownership material, it is their right to exclude him.

Jackson and Sharpton aren't impeding anyone's rights at all.

[angrydude]

Jackson and Sharpton have every right to petition the NFL. The NFL has every right to heed or ignore their petiton. If they decide Limbaugh isn't ownership material, it is their right to exclude him.

Jackson and Sharpton aren't impeding anyone's rights at all.

he called sharpton a hypocrite, not a criminal.

[PixelPusher]

he called sharpton a hypocrite, not a criminal.


When will the left stop trying to circumvent our rights?

[jack sommerset]

The NFL is a private club, they get to decide who joins. If you don't like it, write your local Senator about their anti-trust excemption.

I hope you feel that way when the NFL sells the team to him.

[Wild Cobra]

Jackson and Sharpton aren't impeding anyone's rights at all.
Really?


to impede (third-person singular simple present impedes, present participle impeding, simple past and past participle impeded)

1. to get in the way of; to hinder

Do you think their words will have no effect? I never said they were violating their rights. Just trying to stop such actions. That's not a hindrance?

Isn't it an evil act to thwart someone else at their endeavors? It most certainly isn't moral, without cause!

[SouthernFried]

Sharpton and Jackson are doing what they always do, who the hell cares? The NFL is a private club, and Sharpton ain't a member. Sharpton is always good for a laugh.

Limbaugh will probably make a pretty good owner...time will tell.

[PixelPusher]

Really?


Do you think their words will have no effect? I never said they were violating their rights. Just trying to stop such actions. That's not a hindrance?

Isn't it an evil act to thwart someone else at their endeavors? It most certainly isn't moral, without cause!

Now look up the webster's definition of "Rights", jackass.

Jackson and Sharpton may be impeding Limbaugh's bid, but not his right to bid.

[PixelPusher]

I hope you feel that way when the NFL sells the team to him.

Sure. Other than a radio show, Limbaugh isn't all that different from some of the current owners anyway.

[Wild Cobra]

Now look up the webster's definition of "Rights", jackass.
Why?

I'll tell you what. If you stop using incorrect terminology for impact, I will to. Up to the challenge?

[PixelPusher]

Why?

I'll tell you what. If you stop using incorrect terminology for impact, I will to. Up to the challenge?

Limbaugh has the "right" to bid for an NFL team, he does not have the "right" to be approved. That "right" is reserved by the National Football League.

[Wild Cobra]

Limbaugh has the "right" to bid for an NFL team, he does not have the "right" to be approved. That "right" is reserved by the National Football League.
No Shit Sherlock...

Did you read my last?

[jack sommerset]

Sure. Other than a radio show, Limbaugh isn't all that different from some of the current owners anyway.

I have no clue what you mean by that.

[PixelPusher]

No Shit Sherlock...

Did you read my last?
You started this thread with:

When will the left stop trying to circumvent our rights?
No rights are being circumvented. Unless you just want keep bitching about much Jackson and Sharpton angries up your blood, the point of your thread is moot.

[jack sommerset]

I'm going out on a "Limb"augh....He ain't RACIST!

[PixelPusher]

I have no clue what you mean by that.
Rich, Republican, megalomaniac. etc.

[jack sommerset]

Rich, Republican, megalomaniac. etc.

Gotcha lefty.:lol

[Wild Cobra]

You started this thread with:

No rights are being circumvented. Unless you just want keep bitching about much Jackson and Sharpton angries up your blood, the point of your thread is moot.
OK, I understand. You are too retarded to understand the following:

If you stop using incorrect terminology for impact, I will to. Up to the challenge?
If you're not retarded, then you know what I meant, and you are incapable of providing a sufficient argument against. Instead you have to complain about my word selection.

Which is it? Retarded, or incapable?

[PixelPusher]

OK, I understand. You are too retarded to understand the following:

If you're not retarded, then you know what I meant, and you are incapable of providing a sufficient argument against. Instead you have to complain about my word selection.

Which is it? Retarded, or incapable?

No, I understood perfectly that this thread is really just an excuse to bitch about Al Sharpton. That's OK.

BTW, where in this thread did I use "incorrect language for impact?"

[Wild Cobra]

BTW, where in this thread did I use "incorrect language for impact?"
Subsidizing in the gripe against Halliburton.

I didn't say it was this thread.

[PixelPusher]

Subsidizing in the gripe against Halliburton.

I didn't say it was this thread.

fair enough.

[FromWayDowntown]

So wait, people who aren't making the decision on behalf of the NFL, but who think that allowing Limbaugh -- or anyone else for that matter -- would be a bad choice, should just basically shut their mouths and are somehow impeding a right to free association?

Never minding that neither Sharpton, Limbaugh, nor the NFL are state actors, since when is advocacy on behalf of a particular position a contravention of another's rights?

[mouse]

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p55/RackTheMouse/Ram-Rush2.jpg

[coyotes_geek]

Jackson and Sharpton have every right to petition the NFL. The NFL has every right to heed or ignore their petiton. If they decide Limbaugh isn't ownership material, it is their right to exclude him.

Jackson and Sharpton aren't impeding anyone's rights at all.

Exactly.

This thread should have ended right here.

[Wild Cobra]

Exactly.

This thread should have ended right here.
Yes and no. Doesn't this expose the lack or morality these two have to use their power in an attempt to stop someone elses American Dream?

[Shastafarian]

Yes and no. Doesn't this expose the lack or morality these two have to use their power in an attempt to stop someone elses American Dream?

:rollin

This is all one big joke right?

[Wild Cobra]

:rollin

This is all one big joke right?
Not at all.

You have two individuals, who because of hate, are trying to stop someone else from achieving a dream of his. It doesn't affect them at all, but they choose to try to affect him.

Would you like it if someone tried to stop you from accomplishing something you wanted? Would you tell this new enemy that they were patriotic Americans for trying to squash your dreams?

[Shastafarian]

When will the left stop trying to circumvent our rights?



Not at all.

You have two individuals, who because of hate, are trying to stop someone else from achieving a dream of his. It doesn't affect them at all, but they choose to try to affect him.So I guess you've moved from circumventing of rights to, "why are these bad men trying to hurt me"?


Would you like it if someone tried to stop you from accomplishing something you wanted? Would you tell this new enemy that they were patriotic Americans for trying to squash your dreams?I wouldn't like it no. But it's their right to do it. And it's the NFL's right to do whatever the hell they want. This thread is so dumb. LOL at "new enemy".

[Wild Cobra]

So I guess you've moved from circumventing of rights to, "why are these bad men trying to hurt me"?

I explained my intentional usage of improper terminology already.

Keep up please.

I wouldn't like it no. But it's their right to do it. And it's the NFL's right to do whatever the hell they want. This thread is so dumb. LOL at "new enemy".
Yes, we have the right to hate.

I feel sorry for you that you champion that.

[Shastafarian]

I explained my intentional usage of improper terminology already.

Keep up please.Keep up with you backpedaling. Got it.


Yes, we have the right to hate.

I feel sorry for you that you champion that.
Yeah that fucking first amendment really sucks.

[Wild Cobra]

Yeah that fucking first amendment really sucks.
Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't change it. I agree they have the right. I just will not belittle myself by standing up for the racialists like you do. They are immoral people for their actions. I have the right to say that, right?

[baseline bum]

You want to shoot Mexicans at the border and you want to call people racist? :rollin

[Shastafarian]

Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't change it. I agree they have the right. I just will not belittle myself by standing up for the racialists like you do. They are immoral people for their actions. I have the right to say that, right?

You have the right to say it sure. Just as I have the right to say I think you're petty and childish.

And "racialists"?

[George Gervin's Afro]

limbaugh is a piece of shit

[coyotes_geek]

Yes and no. Doesn't this expose the lack or morality these two have to use their power in an attempt to stop someone elses American Dream?

It was part of Obama's American Dream to become president of the United States. By not voting for him you used your power in an attempt to stop him. Does that expose a lack of morality on your part?

[FromWayDowntown]

Shame on Jim Irsay, owner of the Indianapolis Colts, for standing in the way of Rush Limbaugh's fulfillment of his American Dream by saying that he will not vote to approve Limbaugh as an NFL owner.

He might as well change his last name to Sharpton or his first name to Jesse!

And shame, too, on Commissioner Goodell for saying that the things that Rush Limbaugh has said in the past will actually be part of the consideration of any potential ownership bid that he might present. Poor Rush, facing consequences for people's concerns about the things that he's said.

It's really ridiculous that anyone would interfere with his right of free association by suggesting an unwillingness to associate with him!

I mean, really, the gall of these immoral people!!

[exstatic]

limbaugh is a piece of shit
That. Coincidentally, I was watching the Biography on Michael J Fox, and got pissed at this shitbag all over again for saying MJF faked his symptoms in Congress. He's an ugly person, and not just outside. He's ugly to the bone. He's just full of hate, pus, and self loathing.

As stated, sports ownership is an old boys club, and they don't cotton to nouveaux riches. Cuban epic failed at buying the Cubs, and he's only a minor league jerk, not the total package like Rush. I can't ever imagine him being approved. The NFL just doesn't need the negative press.

BTW, thank you Jim Irsay.

How would Rash feel about having to interview minority candidates for ALL front office and coaching jobs? It's the NFL policy.

[rjv]

When will the left stop trying to circumvent our rights?


nominee for hyperbolic statement of the year.

[rjv]

Shame on Jim Irsay, owner of the Indianapolis Colts, for standing in the way of Rush Limbaugh's fulfillment of his American Dream by saying that he will not vote to approve Limbaugh as an NFL owner.

He might as well change his last name to Sharpton or his first name to Jesse!

And shame, too, on Commissioner Goodell for saying that the things that Rush Limbaugh has said in the past will actually be part of the consideration of any potential ownership bid that he might present. Poor Rush, facing consequences for people's concerns about the things that he's said.

It's really ridiculous that anyone would interfere with his right of free association by suggesting an unwillingness to associate with him!

I mean, really, the gall of these immoral people!!

and the gall of karma as well !

[Oh, Gee!!]

Doesn't this expose the lack or morality these two have to use their power in an attempt to stop someone elses American Dream?

maybe it's their "american dream" to complain about rush. why are you so immoral that you would try to prevent their "american dream?"

[Winehole23]

nominee for hyperbolic statement of the year.That's nothing. Just hang around. He'll top it.

[NoOptionB]

People should quit acting like we don't see right through the game.


People don't like Rush's politics so they are pulling anything they can to prevent him from purchasing an NFL football team. Jealous much?

[balli]

People don't like Rush's politics so they are pulling anything they can to prevent him from purchasing an NFL football team. Jealous much?
Your first statement doesn't imply jealousy, it implies contempt. Why would I be jealous of Rush's politics. Anytime I choose to be the bigot and asshole and drug-addict and monster that Rush is, I can just go ahead and say some racist bullshit and snort an oxy. Be smarter.

That said, yes, I don't like Rush's politics. I think they are sub-human. I think he puts his energies towards destroying black people as much as he can. I don't think he should have anything to do with a league that's 70% black. And consumed by a largely bi-partisan public.

It has nothing to do with jealousy (lol- what are you? 13?). Again, be smarter.

[NoOptionB]

Jealous in that you will never have money to be anywhere close to being part owner of a NFL team.


Being part owner of a professional team is pretty much the ultimate man toy. You hate Rush's politics, you hate Rush, it kills you to know your nemesis would reach yet another alpha status.

[rjv]

actually i do not even think politics is rush's major agenda nor do i even see him as a political personality. i regard him as a shock jock personality who wants to stay in the public eye as much as possible. but he certainly has no problem spewing racist nonsense in order to generate more attention to his show (and feed his audience of bigots).

[NoOptionB]

Funny that you all think he is racist when he attacks the very political machine that has made it it's mission to make the black family so reliant on shit government to the point they have been the only race to have been set back in the last many decades.

[rjv]

Funny that you all think he is racist when he attacks the very political machine that has made it it's mission to make the black family so reliant on shit government to the point they have been the only race to have been set back in the last many decades.

nice try. it would be one thing if he restricted his comments to the government and welfare policies, but his comments (directly and indirectly) about african americans are what earn him his reputation.

[balli]

Jealous in that you will never have money to be anywhere close to being part owner of a NFL team.


Being part owner of a professional team is pretty much the ultimate man toy.

:rolleyes

I suppose in a sense I'm jealous of not owning an NFL team in the same way that I'm jealous of not owning a 230 foot yacht, but generally there pal- People don't get jealous of the unattainable. I mean that's just a really stupid thing to throw out there. So dumb I'm not even sure you're being serious.

I get jealous over my ex at the bar. I get jealous over the bag of skittles my co-worker had the foresight to purchase before coming in to work. I get jealous over another friend's excellent jumpshot when he hits it in my eye.

But sorry, lol a thousand times over, at the idea of getting jealous over the dollars that somebody I don't even know, has possession of. I've already called it stupid, but I mean really, that's one of the most non-nonsensical, dumb, juvenile attacks you possibly could have come up with.

[I. Hustle]

Sharpton is an f'n moron. I can't stand that idiot. Not saying that I agree with Rush but I will ALWAYS disagree with that dumbass Sharpton.

[FromWayDowntown]

Jealous in that you will never have money to be anywhere close to being part owner of a NFL team.


Being part owner of a professional team is pretty much the ultimate man toy. You hate Rush's politics, you hate Rush, it kills you to know your nemesis would reach yet another alpha status.

That must be what's driving Jim Irsay -- jealously.

I mean . . . other than the fact that he has enough money to own an NFL team.

[LnGrrrR]

Isn't it an evil act to thwart someone else at their endeavors? It most certainly isn't moral, without cause!

Who's to say he doesn't have any more cause than Republicans do to thwarting any number of Democratic programs, and vice versa?

[nuclearfm]

Who's to say he doesn't have any more cause than Republicans do to thwarting any number of Democratic programs, and vice versa?

Exactly. Freedom of speech above all. This is the very reason far right nut job politicians like Nick Griffin speak in the U.S. rather than in Europe where they will put in a cell for their remarks.

[LnGrrrR]

You have two individuals, who because of hate, are trying to stop someone else from achieving a dream of his. It doesn't affect them at all, but they choose to try to affect him.

Why do you want to take away Sharpton's freedom to ruin Limbaugh's dream? :lol

[jman3000]

Hasn't Goodell already stated that he's not interested in allowing Limbaugh to be an owner?

I believe the owner's get to vote and the commish has a say.

I really don't care if he gets the team or not... but I've already heard a bunch of stuff on the radio from players saying they'd rather rot away in free agency then play for the Rams if he was the owner.

[FromWayDowntown]

I really don't care if he gets the team or not... but I've already heard a bunch of stuff on the radio from players saying they'd rather rot away in free agency then play for the Rams if he was the owner.

And don't you see: if it's Rush Limbaugh's American Dream to have a bunch of professional football players steadfastly refuse to play for a particular team, that's his Dream and it is immoral for anyone -- ANYONE! -- to contest his effort to achieve that dream.

[LnGrrrR]

And don't you see: if it's Rush Limbaugh's American Dream to have a bunch of professional football players steadfastly refuse to play for a particular team, that's his Dream and it is immoral for anyone -- ANYONE! -- to contest his effort to achieve that dream.

Cmon guys... are we sure Rush Limbaugh even WANTS to buy the team? Have you checked the sources? How do you know Limbaugh isn't lying about wanting to buy the team? Or that someone isn't MAKING him say these things?

You guys are WAY too trusting of your sources. :p:

[clambake]

don't nfl teams split the money?

[clambake]

isn't that redistribution of wealth?

[Cry Havoc]

Wow, the ownage in this thread is palpable. To the point of embarrassing. Small wonder WC and NOB have stopped posting in it. :lol

[Yonivore]

Sources: Checketts to drop Limbaugh (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4559454)

Newest racist Limbaugh quote going around?

"You are hereby served notice of suit for defamation. (http://www.breitbart.tv/limbaugh-threatens-legal-action-against-journalists-over-false-quotes/)"

Folks, I think we have harm caused by the libel and defamation of numerous race-baiters and incompetent journalists. I hope he sues them all.


Where's the audiotape? Where are the transcripts?
As Steyn notes (http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=ZjY5NzliM2M0ZGJiZjdhNjUxMTcyNzcyNzA2ZWE1NDI=), while CNN has time to fact-check SNL's sketches, it apparently does not have the time to fact-check it's own reporting. Vehicular-manslaughter-enthusiast Rick Sanchez put this crap out there without checking and without any citations or even caveats.

I think Goodell and gang have made a mistake by allowing Al Sharpton and gang yank their chain. But, hey, it's their club and, if they don't want Limbaugh in the club, oh well.

[Winehole23]

I think Goodell and gang have made a mistake by allowing Al Sharpton and gang yank their chain. But, hey, it's their club and, if they don't want Limbaugh in the club, oh well.You might be giving Al Sharpton too much credit. Maybe they just don't like Rush on the basis of what he did, and does actually say.

[Yonivore]

You might be giving Al Sharpton too much credit. Maybe they just don't like Rush on the basis of what he did, and does actually say.
What did he do or say that hasn't been shown, in the past couple of days, to have been completely fabricated?

[FromWayDowntown]

What Limbaugh said on ESPN to disqualify him from that job is understandably problematic to the league and its owners. Neither Sharpton nor CNN needed to offer anything beyond that to raise serious questions about why an exclusive club like the NFL ownership would want Limbaugh in its midst. Though I suppose the fact that less than a generation ago, the league's owners had to have a rule imposed to start even giving serious interviews to African Americans concerning head coaching positions might give some credence to the idea that Limbaugh might have been more than welcome.

[FromWayDowntown]

What did he do or say that hasn't been shown, in the past couple of days, to have been completely fabricated?

He said that Donovan McNabb was being given too much credit for the Philadelphia Eagles' successes because the media desired to have a black quarterback succeed:

"I think what we've had here is a little social concern in the NFL. The media has been very desirous that a black quarterback do well,'' Limbaugh said. "There is a little hope invested in McNabb, and he got a lot of credit for the performance of this team that he didn't deserve. The defense carried this team."

For a league that, again, has had to impose a requirement that teams interview African Americans to be head coaches and has been painfully slow to come around to the idea that black men are not categorically unqualified to play the most glamorous position in the game, that's an understandably unwelcome viewpoint. And it's also demonstrably incorrect, given that McNabb continues to be among the best quarterbacks in the game on a team that continues to be among the most successful clubs in the game.

[Yonivore]

He said that Donovan McNabb was being given too much credit for the Philadelphia Eagles' successes because the media desired to have a black quarterback succeed:

"I think what we've had here is a little social concern in the NFL. The media has been very desirous that a black quarterback do well,'' Limbaugh said. "There is a little hope invested in McNabb, and he got a lot of credit for the performance of this team that he didn't deserve. The defense carried this team."
That's a slam on the media. What's racist about that other than claiming the media was being racist in it's treatment of McNabb?


For a league that, again, has had to impose a requirement that teams interview African Americans to be head coaches
A racist requirement.


...and has been painfully slow to come around to the idea that black men are not categorically unqualified to play the most glamorous position in the game,
You're going to have to demonstrate to me that a black quarterback was ever denied the position because of his race before I buy that argument. Football quarterback are an awful small subset for it to be asserted racism has anything to do with it.


...that's an understandably unwelcome viewpoint.
Doesn't make it a racist comment.


And it's also demonstrably incorrect, given that McNabb continues to be among the best quarterbacks in the game on a team that continues to be among the most successful clubs in the game.
Whether or not McNabb deserved the accolades and whether or not they were beyond what he deserved are matters of opinion. Limbaugh felt the media was desirous of having a super star black quarterback -- to the point they may have been embellishing their coverage; well, that's a matter of opinion too.

But, nothing makes it racist. Limbaugh allowed then, as he does now, that McNabb is a damn good quarterback...maybe one of the best. He's whole position was that his performance didn't deserve the buildup he was getting from the media and that he felt it was the defense that was carrying McNabb that year. Are there any blacks on that defensive team?

As an analogy, many believe Obama was voted for, by many Americans, simply because he was black and they were desirous of there being a black president. Does having that opinion make one a racist?

[FromWayDowntown]

Doesn't make it a racist comment.

That might be objectively true. But it's also true that it's been perceived by people who make the NFL go to have been a racist comment -- or at least a comment that needlessly focused on race. If the people who make the decisions in the NFL have decided that they don't wish to associate with those who espouse such viewpoints, it's their prerogative to say no to Limbaugh and to suggest to Dave Checketts that his bid to buy the Rams would be more likely to succeed without Limbaugh.

Like anyone else, Rush's choices of opinion have consequences, even if people are objectively misunderstanding his opinions or misstating the motives they might discern from those opinions. Here, Rush's statements have certainly been perceived by a substantial number of people to have been racially-motivated and racially-intolerant; again, even if the particular statements about McNabb might somehow be read to be neither of those things, the perception that Rush has cultivated for himself about his politics, rightly or wrongly, gives rise to a pause among many who heard his statements about McNabb. And it's clearly true that among those who've been given pause by those statements are a significant number of NFL owners.

[jack sommerset]

75 percent of the league is black. Racism is happening in the NFL. All over the freaken place.

[Yonivore]

That might be objectively true. But it's also true that it's been perceived by people who make the NFL go to have been a racist comment -- or at least a comment that needlessly focused on race.
It wasn't perceived that way until the race-baiters saw an opportunity to make it an issue and blew it all out of proportion. And, if your opinion is the media is fawning all over someone simply because they want that person to be a super star, because he's black, then I'd say the race reference isn't needless...but, instead, germane to the argument.


If the people who make the decisions in the NFL have decided that they don't wish to associate with those who espouse such viewpoints, it's their prerogative to say no to Limbaugh and to suggest to Dave Checketts that his bid to buy the Rams would be more likely to succeed without Limbaugh.
Agreed. It would be good if they based their decision on fact and not the hyperbolic fabrications of Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, and CNN.

But, in the end, you're right, they can allow anyone they wish into their federally-protected cartel.

Like anyone else, Rush's choices of opinion have consequences, even if people are objectively misunderstanding his opinions or misstating the motives they might discern from those opinions. Here, Rush's statements have certainly been perceived by a substantial number of people to have been racially-motivated and racially-intolerant; again, even if the particular statements about McNabb might somehow be read to be neither of those things, the perception that Rush has cultivated for himself about his politics, rightly or wrongly, gives rise to a pause among many who heard his statements about McNabb. And it's clearly true that among those who've been given pause by those statements are a significant number of NFL owners.[/QUOTE]

[Yonivore]

And, another thing, if Rush Limbaugh is such a racist, why did his detractors have to make up quotes, to attribute to him, just to make their case?

Surely there must be a vast body of evidence out there, without having to resort to fabrication. After all, the man has been on the air for 3 hours a day for over 21 years. After all that time, all they have is a quote from an ESPN television program that is a comment about the media and not Donovan McNabb?

Somebody do the math...how many hours of audio are there?

3 x 5 x 52 x 21 = 16,380. That's 16,380 hours of audio out there from which his critics could find evidence of his racism. And, don't tell his words aren't sifted through by the likes of Media Matters and other such organizations.

[Yonivore]

And, contemporaneous to the event, here is what Donovan McNabb had to say...


McNabb, who was runner-up for the league MVP award in 2000 and has led the Eagles to two straight NFC championship games, said he has no quarrel with Limbaugh's comment on his playing ability. "I know I played badly the first two games," he said Wednesday.
We'd have to go back and analyze the media coverage McNabb was getting but, I think -- if I remember and from what I am reading -- McNabb was a having a sub-par year, at the point the comment was made, and was still ranked at the top of the quarterback heap.

Going into that weekend, he had been the darling of the sportswriters and -- after his performance in the beginning of the season (bad by his own admission) -- Limbaugh made the inference his continuing to be handled with kid gloves, by the media, was because they wanted a black quarter back to be considered the best quarterback in the land.

Right or wrong, it's a fair characterization. Just as fair -- as I pointed out earlier -- as saying Barack Obama has been hyped to near-messianic proportions again, by the media, simply because they wanted to see the first black president.

There's nothing racist about that. Could I be wrong and could Rush have been wrong in 2003? Sure...but, that doesn't make us racist.

[clambake]

i don't need sharpton to tell me that limbaugh is a racist.

it would be nice if sharpton would go away.

[Yonivore]

i don't need sharpton to tell me that limbaugh is a racist.
So, how did you arrive at that conclusion on your own?


it would be nice if sharpton would go away.
I hope Limbaugh sues his ass off first.

[Wild Cobra]

You want to shoot Mexicans at the border and you want to call people racist? :rollin
I said racialist, you idiot.

[Wild Cobra]

And "racialists"?
I'm attempting to use correct terminology instead of choosing words for impact.

[clambake]

So, how did you arrive at that conclusion on your own?
i heard him.



I hope Limbaugh sues his ass off first.
who cares? running to defend limbaugh is no different than running to defend sharpton.

[Wild Cobra]

maybe it's their "american dream" to complain about rush. why are you so immoral that you would try to prevent their "american dream?"
You're probably right.

I forgot that there are people that pathetic.

[Wild Cobra]

Who's to say he doesn't have any more cause than Republicans do to thwarting any number of Democratic programs, and vice versa?
Programs proposed and passed in congress affect us all. If Rush buys a team, it only affects those involved.

[Wild Cobra]

Cmon guys... are we sure Rush Limbaugh even WANTS to buy the team? Have you checked the sources? How do you know Limbaugh isn't lying about wanting to buy the team? Or that someone isn't MAKING him say these things?

You guys are WAY too trusting of your sources. :p:
The man loves the game. Granted, it could be a rumor, but I do believe it. I see it very probable with his accumulated wealth and love of the game.

[Yonivore]

i heard him.
You heard him what?


who cares? running to defend limbaugh is no different than running to defend sharpton.
Sure it is. Limbaugh is being mis-characterized as a racist. Al Sharpton isn't being mis-characterized as a lying race-baiter. Cany you say, "Tawana Braly?" How 'bout, "Duke La Crosse Team?" Then, there's the "Crown Heights Riots."

There are three significant incidents in which Al Sharpton's actions led to the ruin of people's reputations and, in the case of Crown Heights, their deaths.

I don't think you can point to one thing Limbaugh has said or done that led to such extreme consequences.

[clambake]

Programs proposed and passed in congress affect us all. If Rush buys a team, it only affects those involved.

what are "those involved" saying?

[Wild Cobra]

Wow, the ownage in this thread is palpable. To the point of embarrassing. Small wonder WC and NOB have stopped posting in it. :lol
No, you fail Cry Wolf...

I stopped posting because I had other things to do today, and didn't get here till recently.

Typica... Jump to conclusions...

[clambake]

i heard what everybody heard.

he got canned for it, and thats it.

[Wild Cobra]

What Limbaugh said on ESPN to disqualify him from that job is understandably problematic to the league and its owners.
I disagree. He made a statement based in factual observation. Not racism.

Neither Sharpton nor CNN needed to offer anything beyond that to raise serious questions about why an exclusive club like the NFL ownership would want Limbaugh in its midst.
Even ESPN knew it wasn't racist, but because of race-baiters, they all did what they though were best.

Intelligent people know it wasn't a racist remark.

[clambake]

Sure it is. Limbaugh is being mis-characterized as a racist.
no he isn't.

Al Sharpton isn't being mis-characterized as a lying race-baiter. Cany you say, "Tawana Braly?" How 'bout, "Duke La Crosse Team?" Then, there's the "Crown Heights Riots."

There are three significant incidents in which Al Sharpton's actions led to the ruin of people's reputations and, in the case of Crown Heights, their deaths.

I don't think you can point to one thing Limbaugh has said or done that led to such extreme consequences.
you can't go after sharpton without limbaugh?

[Yonivore]

i heard what everybody heard.
Which is what?


he got canned for it, and thats it.
No, he didn't. The network defended him in the days following the broadcast. Hell, Michael Irving was a panelist on that broadcast and didn't utter a word of disagreement.

It wasn't until the race-baiters -- under the direction of the Rev. Al Sharpton -- reached full tenor that the network changed its mind. And, that was business decision, not a moral one. The incessant harping by Sharpton was bad for business and firing Limbaugh was the path of least resistance to make the nattering stop.

[clambake]

i heard what everybody heard.

he got canned for it, and thats it.

[Yonivore]

no he isn't.
Yes, he is...otherwise, his critics wouldn't be making shit up to paint him as one.


you can't go after sharpton without limbaugh?
Sure I can but, we're having this discussion in the context of Sharpton's culpability for smearing Limbaugh.

[clambake]

Sure it is. Limbaugh is being mis-characterized as a racist. Al Sharpton isn't being mis-characterized as a lying race-baiter. Cany you say, "Tawana Braly?" How 'bout, "Duke La Crosse Team?" Then, there's the "Crown Heights Riots."

There are three significant incidents in which Al Sharpton's actions led to the ruin of people's reputations and, in the case of Crown Heights, their deaths.

you brought this up. why do you need limbaugh again?

[Yonivore]

i heard what everybody heard.
Since it seems beyond you to formulate an argument in defense of your premise, let me help.


"I think what we've had here is a little social concern in the NFL. The media has been very desirous that a black quarterback do well. There is a little hope invested in McNabb, and he got a lot of credit for the performance of this team that he didn't deserve. The defense carried this team."
Now, point to the racist part of that statement.


he got canned for it, and thats it.
If he had been fired for making that statement, ESPN wouldn't have waited for an "outraged" Al Sharpton to stir the pudding.

[Spurminator]

Let's put them in a cage and let them fight it out.

[Yonivore]

you brought this up. why do you need limbaugh again?
We're talking about Limbaugh and Sharpton. Read the title of the thread.

Also, it was you that said, "who cares? running to defend limbaugh is no different than running to defend sharpton."

My response, listing the various misdeeds committed by Sharton and demonstrating just how different defending the two is, was in direct response to your comparison.

[Yonivore]

Let's put them in a cage and let them fight it out.
How 'bout we just hold the media accountable, for once, when they rush to pimp one of Sharpton's wild-assed accusations. You would have thought they would learn after the Duke debacle.

Has CNN retracted its bogus report containing the fake quote?

[clambake]

Now, point to the racist part of that statement.
you left out the delivery.



If he had been fired for making that statement, ESPN wouldn't have waited for an "outraged" Al Sharpton to stir the pudding.
do you have to make rush feel any worse?

[Yonivore]

you left out the delivery.
Meaning?


do you have to make rush feel any worse?
I don't think Rush has looked back that often -- except when being smeared in a similar manner, such as is happening now. The man has a nationally broadcast radio show in almost 600 markets with somewhere between 10 and 20 million faithful listeners.

He doesn't need the ESPN gig and, if the NFL doesn't want his money at a time when money is scarce, I'm sure he'll get over it.

[clambake]

Meaning?
intent. no big deal. it wasn't one of his brightest moments.



I don't think Rush has looked back that often -- except when being smeared in a similar manner, such as is happening now. The man has a nationally broadcast radio show in almost 600 markets with somewhere between 10 and 20 million faithful listeners.

He doesn't need the ESPN gig and, if the NFL doesn't want his money at a time when money is scarce, I'm sure he'll get over it.

yeah, he should just move on, or pretend to be a victim. what do you think he'll do?

[Yonivore]

Roll the tape...

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You'll notice there are three blacks on that panel. Somebody can be heard agreeing with the comment. I don't know if it was one of the three but, certainly, none of them disagreed with Limbaugh's comment.

I wish I could find a longer clip that shows any reaction by the other four after the comment but, I can't.

[Spawn]

Regarding the McNabb incident what proof did Rush Limbaugh have that the media was supposedly playing favorites because of McNabb's race? Why did Rush resort to playing the race card?

[clambake]

oh, you didn't see it live.

[Yonivore]

intent. no big deal. it wasn't one of his brightest moments.
His intent was to criticize the media for hyping McNabb.


yeah, he should just move on, or pretend to be a victim. what do you think he'll do?
I don't pretend to know what he'll do.

I'd like to see Sharpton's tactics rebuked by him becoming an owner but, I don't think the NFL has the stomach for that. I'd also like to see Sharpton's ass dragged into court for libel and defamation and that is a possibility in this case.

Limbaugh has the money to make that happen.

[clambake]

none of this would have happened without his "big reveal".

[Spawn]

Roll the tape...

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You'll notice there are three blacks on that panel. Somebody can be heard agreeing with the comment. I don't know if it was one of the three but, certainly, none of them disagreed with Limbaugh's comment.

I wish I could find a longer clip that shows any reaction by the other four after the comment but, I can't.

Sounds to me he didn't have any proof that the media was favorably siding with McNabb because of race. Sounds to me Rush was race baiting without any proof. And can we not play the 'Here is a Black guy that agrees with me so my opinion is validated game.'

[Yonivore]

Regarding the McNabb incident what proof did Rush Limbaugh have that the media was supposedly playing favorites because of McNabb's race? Why did Rush resort to playing the race card?
It was an opinion. You're free to disagree.

I believe the media wanted to be able to report on the first black president and, as such, hyped him to near messianic proportions. That's an opinion.

Neither my opinion nor the one about McNabb is racist.

[Yonivore]

oh, you didn't see it live.
It was broadcast incessantly for about two weeks. I don't even remember if I was watching the show or not.

[Wild Cobra]

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[clambake]

It was broadcast incessantly for about two weeks. I don't even remember if I was watching the show or not.

yeah, not too bright.

he should have kept his little secret.

[Yonivore]

Sounds to me he didn't have any proof that the media was favorably siding with McNabb because of race. Sounds to me Rush was race baiting without any proof. And can we not play the 'Here is a Black guy that agrees with me so my opinion is validated game.'
That's your characterization.

I think we would need to see the amount of media coverage McNabb was receiving in the beginning of the '03 season and compare that to his stats to see if Limbaugh had any reason to make the statement.

I've slept since then but, I seem to recall him or someone making just that case in the period after he was fired. As was said, McNabb was having a sub par year. If the media coverage ignored that, one could wonder why, no?

[Spawn]

It was an opinion. You're free to disagree.

I believe the media wanted to be able to report on the first black president and, as such, hyped him to near messianic proportions. That's an opinion.

Neither my opinion nor the one about McNabb is racist.

And people believe that Rush is a racist. It is an opinion you are free to disagree. But why did he resort to the race card? I thought you were against that sort of thing.

[Yonivore]

yeah, not too bright.

he should have kept his little secret.
Well, you'll forgive me if I don't share your rush to judgement on this. I have first hand experience with your lower-than-Sharpton threshold for declaring someone a racist.

[clambake]

Well, you'll forgive me if I don't share your rush to judgement on this. I have first hand experience with your lower-than-Sharpton threshold for declaring someone a racist.

i didn't have to make a conclusion.

he provided it for me.

[Spawn]

That's your characterization.

I think we would need to see the amount of media coverage McNabb was receiving in the beginning of the '03 season and compare that to his stats to see if Limbaugh had any reason to make the statement.

I've slept since then but, I seem to recall him or someone making just that case in the period after he was fired. As was said, McNabb was having a sub par year. If the media coverage ignored that, one could wonder why, no?

Well just because he was recieving favorable media coverage doesn't neccessarily mean that it was because of race. Race was introduced to that situation by Rush.

[Yonivore]

And people believe that Rush is a racist. It is an opinion you are free to disagree.
My disagreement is based on the fact they've resorted to fabricating quotes to make their argument.


But why did he resort to the race card? I thought you were against that sort of thing.
I don't think he "resorted" to anything. He believed the media was hyping McNabb because of his race. I'm certain he (or someone) explained the argument at the time. I'll have to see if I can find it...I'm not going to hold my breath waiting for the media to report Limbaugh's justification for the comment.

[Spawn]

My disagreement is based on the fact they've resorted to fabricating quotes to make their argument.


I don't think he "resorted" to anything. He believed the media was hyping McNabb because of his race. I'm certain he (or someone) explained the argument at the time. I'll have to see if I can find it...I'm not going to hold my breath waiting for the media to report Limbaugh's justification for the comment.

I look forward to you finding it. I will keep an open mind. Good day sir.

[clambake]

I have first hand experience with your lower-than-Sharpton threshold for declaring someone a racist.

:lol yeah, you should have kept yours a secret, too.

[Yonivore]

Well just because he was recieving favorable media coverage doesn't neccessarily mean that it was because of race. Race was introduced to that situation by Rush.
That depends.

If we can find a pattern of articles that contain references to McNabb's race in the context of how great a quarterback he is in '03, when he's having a subpar year, I think that would be justification.

That's over 5 years ago but, I seem to remember that being the justification at the time.

Not to the degree but, similar to, the way the press hyped the fact that Obama would be the first black president. It was a huge part of the reporting during the campaign.

[Yonivore]

:lol yeah
Fixed.

[Wild Cobra]

And people believe that Rush is a racist. It is an opinion you are free to disagree. But why did he resort to the race card? I thought you were against that sort of thing.
People believe he is a racist because of propaganda and slander.

Is that right?

[Wild Cobra]

Fox's movements were exaggerated because he purposely didn't take his meds:

Story about Fox (http://mfile.akamai.com/5020/wmv/rushlimb.download.akamai.com/5020/Video/Fox.asx)

Rush gets criticized for noteing this...

When will you guys stop with the hate?

[Spawn]

People believe he is a racist because of propaganda and slander.

Is that right?

Well that is your opinion. I don't listen to Rush so I wouldn't feel right answering that question.

[clambake]

Fixed.

:lol obvious to everyone, a black man was soon to be elected president.

....and yoni couldn't wait to share his story of a personal encounter with a black man. :lol

[Yonivore]

I look forward to you finding it. I will keep an open mind. Good day sir.
Here's a contemporaneous piece from Slate; not exactly a publication known to be in the tank for Rush Limbaugh.

Rush Limbaugh Was Right (http://slate.msn.com/id/2089193/)

Donovan McNabb isn't a great quarterback, and the media do overrate him because he is black.
...

Limbaugh is being excoriated for making race an issue in the NFL. This is hypocrisy. I don't know of a football writer who didn't regard the dearth of black NFL quarterbacks as one of the most important issues in the late '80s and early '90s. (The topic really caught fire after 1988, when Doug Williams of the Washington Redskins became the first black quarterback to win a Super Bowl.)

So far, no black quarterback has been able to dominate a league in which the majority of the players are black. To pretend that many of us didn't want McNabb to be the best quarterback in the NFL because he's black is absurd. To say that we shouldn't root for a quarterback to win because he's black is every bit as nonsensical as to say that we shouldn't have rooted for Jackie Robinson to succeed because he was black. (Please, I don't need to be reminded that McNabb's situation is not so difficult or important as Robinson's—I'm talking about a principle.)

Consequently, it is equally absurd to say that the sports media haven't overrated Donovan McNabb because he's black. I'm sorry to have to say it; he is the quarterback for a team I root for. Instead of calling him overrated, I wish I could be admiring his Super Bowl rings. But the truth is that I and a great many other sportswriters have chosen for the past few years to see McNabb as a better player than he has been because we want him to be.
It seems to me Limbaugh's opinion wasn't too far off the mark according to this guy.

His critics have had five years to re-write the history of the McNabb incident and make it out to be some horrible affront to humanity. This article, written four days after the broadcast, is a bit more level-headed.

[spursncowboys]

He was calling the MSM racist. What is wrong with bringing that up. I remember that week ESPN put up the stats and McNabb wasn't holding up.

[spursncowboys]

Why did Rush resort to playing the race card? :lmao Is this coming from a Liberal?

[clambake]

:lmao Is this coming from a Liberal?

i didn't make that quote, einstein.

[spursncowboys]

Drudge is reporting that they dropped Rush from the bid.

[spursncowboys]

i didn't make that quote, einstein.
Einstein?...A little harsh.:depressed

[Yonivore]

Drudge is reporting that they dropped Rush from the bid.
Yonivore reported that ESPN was reporting that hours ago. :toast

[spursncowboys]

Yonivore reported that ESPN was reporting that hours ago. :toast Well spursncowboys appreciates yonivore telling him that. :toast

[mouse]

Some of you in this topic could work for Fox News


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[hope4dopes]

Jesus christ, you'd think even the DNC would get tired of bieng embarassed by sharpton and tell him to shut up.

[Cry Havoc]

Jesus christ, you'd think even the RNC would get tired of being embarrassed by Limbaugh and tell him to shut up.

[Wild Cobra]

Drudge is reporting that they dropped Rush from the bid.
Did he not bid enough, or did they cave to public pressure?

[Yonivore]

Did he not bid enough, or did they cave to public pressure?
Caved.

[Wild Cobra]

Caved.
What a bunch of pussies in Football...

[SouthernFried]

I really never thought Limbaugh would get the bid. I like Limbaugh, but there's way too many that hate him. He's fighting the good fight. But, since he is fighting, he has enemies. Most owners wouldn't want to start a franchise with so much animosity towards one of their own.

Right or wrong...and I think it's definetly wrong, Rush is too high profile a target for too many. I never thought he had a chance of getting an NFL franchise. Too bad, cuz he truely loves the game, and he's enemies are the real racists and all around nasty people.

But, when your involved in politics as much as he is, fighting against some of the nastiest people in the country...

There was no real reason to oppose him, none. Those who did, were just being assholes...doing what assholes do best.

He would have made a great owner, imho.

[Wild Cobra]

Fixed:


But, when your involved in politics as much as he is, fighting against some of the naziest people in the country...

Sorry, couldn't help myself.

[spursncowboys]

Some of you in this topic could work for Fox News


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Fox News Less Biased Than CNN, MSNBC in White House Coverage



October 14, 2009 11:31 AM ET | Mary Kate Cary (http://www.usnews.com/Topics/tag/Author/c/cary_mary_kate/index.html) | Permanent Link (http://www.usnews.com/blogs/mary-kate-cary/2009/10/14/fox-news-less-biased-than-cnn-msnbc-in-white-house-coverage-.html) | Print (http://www.usnews.com/blogs/mary-kate-cary/2009/10/14/fox-news-less-biased-than-cnn-msnbc-in-white-house-coverage-_prin_print.htm)
By Mary Kate Cary, Thomas Jefferson Street blog
My colleague Doug Heye (http://www.usnews.com/blogs/doug-heye/index.html) wrote yesterday about White House Communications Director Anita Dunn's recent attack on Fox News (http://www.usnews.com/blogs/doug-heye/2009/10/13/attacking-fox-news-wont-help-the-white-house-with-depressed-liberals.html). I agree with Doug—the White House should not be going after a specific news outlet as biased. Especially when it's not true. Take a look at a Fox News account (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/10/12/white-house-escalates-war-words-fox-news/) that includes this fact:
As for Dunn's complaint about Fox News' coverage of the Obama campaign, a study by the Pew Research Center showed that 40 percent of Fox News stories on Obama in the last six weeks of the campaign were negative. Similarly, 40 percent of Fox News' stories on Obama's Republican opponent, Sen. John McCain, were negative.
On CNN, by contrast, there was a 22-point disparity in the percentage of negative stories on Obama (39 percent) and McCain (61 percent). The disparity was even greater at MSNBC, according to Pew, where just 14 percent of Obama stories were negative, compared to a whopping 73 percent of McCain stories—a spread of 59 points.
I'd add this: If you were a reporter at another network, wouldn't the logical "next step" be to make sure your coverage of the president is positive all the time, so that you are not singled out and cut off from further access to the president, as Fox has been? This is what happens when the administration tries to manipulate press coverage. And I think it's safe to say it backfires every time.

[clambake]

the nfl said no.

a little focus, people.

[symple19]

http://flashwarner.com/images/hiltonmugsharpton.jpg

[Cry Havoc]

What a bunch of pussies in Football...

What's that Mr. Internet Tough Guy?

[spursncowboys]

It's there club. Now let's see them hold that for the M. Cubans and Jay-Z's when they want to be a minority owner. This has set precedent, IMO, pretty high. The Rams are worse off.

[Spawn]

Here's a contemporaneous piece from Slate; not exactly a publication known to be in the tank for Rush Limbaugh.

Rush Limbaugh Was Right (http://slate.msn.com/id/2089193/)

...

It seems to me Limbaugh's opinion wasn't too far off the mark according to this guy.

His critics have had five years to re-write the history of the McNabb incident and make it out to be some horrible affront to humanity. This article, written four days after the broadcast, is a bit more level-headed.

Well thank you for providing that link. I think we are going to have to agree to disagree on this one. It's all a matter of opinion and Rush drew a racially based opinion. I still say that just because they may have favored McNabb, which in itself is a matter of opinion, there really is no proof that they did it because of race. And I still say that race in that situation was without a doubt introduced into the convo by Rush also known as played the race card. But it really doesn't matter at this point the NFL has spoken.

[Spawn]

It's there club. Now let's see them hold that for the M. Cubans and Jay-Z's when they want to be a minority owner. This has set precedent, IMO, pretty high. The Rams are worse off.

Point out some controversial statements please. And Mark Cuban already got his ass handed to him by the MLB didn't he?

[Cry Havoc]

It's there club. Now let's see them hold that for the M. Cubans and Jay-Z's when they want to be a minority owner. This has set precedent, IMO, pretty high. The Rams are worse off.

Read the article? Goodell said that Cuban's antics were absolutely the reason they didn't want Rush in the NFL, because they can't tolerate that kind of behavior.

It's interesting that all of these Rush lovers are so up in arms about what Sharpton and Jackson said but conveniently ignore the number of people who are directly associated with the NFL that want absolutely nothing to do with Rush.

Poor Rush... he's built his entire career on being a radio troll, and making inflammatory comments, and now he can't get into the NFL and people are crying about it.

Less QQ please.

[Yonivore]

...there really is no proof that they did it because of race.
I guess the author's admission wasn't proof?

[Spawn]

I guess the author's admission wasn't proof?

What makes him the ultimate authority?

[Yonivore]

What makes him the ultimate authority?
Well, I'd say that since he's a sportswriter, writing at the time of the incident, that yes, he and other sportswriters were doing what Limbaugh said, makes him more of an authority than anyone in the forum yammering about it 5 years later.

It only helps my argument that he wrote for Slate.

[Spawn]

Well, I'd say that since he's a sportswriter, writing at the time of the incident, that yes, he and other sportswriters were doing what Limbaugh said, makes him more of an authority than anyone in the forum yammering about it 5 years later.

It only helps my argument that he wrote for Slate.


Well this sports writer disagrees with your guy. And it was written in 2003!!!


http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2003/writers/peter_king/09/30/mcnabb_limbaugh/


Now, there is something that Limbaugh said that I do agree with. He stated that McNabb had gotten credit for the defense playing so well and winning games. Welcome to the real world. When you win in football, the quarterback gets too much credit, unless he's Spergon Wynn or Trent Dilfer. That's just the way life is. Quarterbacks get too much credit if the team wins and too much blame if the team loses. That's why they make the big dough.



Like I said all a matter of opinion!!! And Rush's was race based/race card.

[Yonivore]

Well this sports writer disagrees with your guy. And it was written in 2003!!!


http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2003/writers/peter_king/09/30/mcnabb_limbaugh/



Like I said all a matter of opinion!!! And Rush's was race based/race card.
No one said all reporters were hyping McNabb. In fact, in reading the story you linked, your guy pretty much says McNabb was sucking in the beginning of '03 which -- if anyone was rating him as among the best in the league at that time (hyping him) -- would also bolster Limbaugh's argument that it was because, as my reporter said, they wanted a black guy to succeed at quarterback.

Your guy also said this...


Limbaugh was not making a racist statement about black quarterbacks. He was making a racist statement about me. Actually, about me and my colleagues. But I feel like he was talking to me.
Which confirms what Limbaugh claimed. He wasn't talking about McNabb but about the media. If your writer wasn't among the ones that were hyping McNabb, fine...at least he recognizes -- what everyone seems to be missing now, five years later -- the comment was about the writers, not McNabb.

[Spawn]

No one said all reporters were hyping McNabb. In fact, in reading the story you linked, your guy pretty much says McNabb was sucking in the beginning of '03 which -- if anyone was rating him as among the best in the league at that time (hyping him) -- would also bolster Limbaugh's argument that it was because, as my reporter said, they wanted a black guy to succeed at quarterback.

Your guy also said this...


Which confirms what Limbaugh claimed. He wasn't talking about McNabb but about the media. If your writer wasn't among the ones that were hyping McNabb, fine...at least he recognizes -- what everyone seems to be missing now, five years later -- the comment was about the writers, not McNabb.

Well I wouldn't call Peter King an authority either but whatever. Whether or not Rush ever becomes an owner will not have any effect on our lives. Subject dropped as far as I'm concerned. Nice talking to you without the name calling my man.

[Yonivore]

Well I wouldn't call Peter King an authority either but whatever. Whether or not Rush ever becomes an owner will not have any effect on our lives. Subject dropped as far as I'm concerned. Nice talking to you without the name calling my man.
My concern is more about how the media is manipulated by people such as Sharpton, into unnecessarily and maliciously defaming people.

But, cheers. :toast

[clambake]

:lol obvious to everyone, a black man was soon to be elected president.

....and yoni couldn't wait to share his story of a personal encounter with a black man. :lol

why don't you call it your "rush moment"?

[doobs]

So no sympathy for Rush? Forget his politics, it sucks that he seems to have lost this bid based on falsely attributed racist quotes.

Of course, CNN didn't care about the quotes' authenticity. They might have been busy fact-checking SNL skits.

[clambake]

crips and bloods lol

[balli]

Which confirms what Limbaugh claimed. He wasn't talking about McNabb but about the media. If your writer wasn't among the ones that were hyping McNabb, fine...at least he recognizes -- what everyone seems to be missing now, five years later -- the comment was about the writers, not McNabb.
Yes, I know that I for one can get behind some good ol' racism, just as long as it's directed towards those black chappy sportswriters, rather than a quarterback. Like you and Rush, my racism draws a line when it comes to sports figures. I'm such a good person.


lol rush, lol idiots who defend rush, lol, lol, lol. This is what happens when your stated goal in life is to make money from hatred- most people fucking loathe you. lol

[DarrinS]

Scientists should just figure out what gene causes racism and abort all fetuses that carry that gene. The state-controlled health care system can start by screening all GOP members, tea-partiers, and independents.

[Wild Cobra]

My concern is more about how the media is manipulated by people such as Sharpton, into unnecessarily and maliciously defaming people.

But, cheers. :toast
Same here. It really pisses me off that they give these immoral people a national voice.

[Wild Cobra]

Scientists should just figure out what gene causes racism and abort all fetuses that carry that gene. The state-controlled health care system can start by screening all GOP members, tea-partiers, and independents.
Why not liberals? Would they all get aborted?

[balli]

Actually, most of us would show pretty poorly on the race IAT.

As for Rush and his ilk, plenty of Genuine, Bona Fide, Good ol' Boy, Pure Bred American Racists in that group.

Big difference.

[hope4dopes]

Scientists should just figure out what gene causes racism and abort all fetuses that carry that gene. The state-controlled health care system can start by screening all GOP members, tea-partiers, and independents. here here and doktor Bali can be in charge of the camp...er hospitals.

[hope4dopes]

Why not liberals? Would they all get aborted? Well as the pig said some racisim is more equal than others....or something to that effect.

[clambake]

Well as the pig said some racisim is more equal than others....or something to that effect.

now you guys are for abortion.

good to know.

[hope4dopes]

Hey if you think the NFL is acting like cocksuckers here, just don't patronize them watch and attend college ball, hell even high school ball for fun, it's their gig.

[spursncowboys]

I guess they are going to fire Keith Olbermann now since he is controversial and they don't want that in the NFL. Just dog killer, wife beaters, convicts and lunatics(A.Davis and J.Jones)

[clambake]

you guys should boycott the nfl.

let us know if they notice.

[spursncowboys]

I hope Rush sues all the people who falsely quoted him.

[clambake]

crips and bloods

[rjv]

I hope Rush sues all the people who falsely quoted him.

yes, rush is going to sue the american public and the internet :lol

(but not himself for being guilty of the same crime of using misinformation in order to perpetuate generalizations or myths)

[hope4dopes]

you guys should boycott the nfl.

let us know if they notice.

Whatever you do may seem insignificant to you, but it is most important that you do it.
Mohandas Gandhi

[clambake]

he should sue for his right to be racist.

[spursncowboys]

he should sue for his right to be racist.
how is crips and bloods racist?

[spursncowboys]

Bozell: I Hope You All Have Good Lawyers October 14, 2009 14:52 ET



MRC President Reports Back on CNN, MSNBC Character Assassination of Rush Limbaugh, Issues Ultimatum to All Media Spreading Racist Lies


Alexandria, VA – Yesterday, MRC President Brent Bozell promised to report back publicly with how CNN and MSNBC responded to his challenge to put up – or shut up – proof that Rush Limbaugh actually stated the racist quote that both cable networks attributed to him as fact, or to immediately retract and apologize for their participation in spreading an outlandish lie. Talk show giant Limbaugh denied having ever stated, “Slavery built the South. I’m not saying we should bring it back. I’m just saying it had its merits. For one thing, the streets were safer after dark.” Further, it has been established that this was a fabrication pushed through the Internet, intentionally designed to destroy Mr. Limbaugh’s reputation at a time he is attempting to purchase a professional football team.

In addition to this public call to action, Mr. Bozell overnighted letters to CNN President Jonathan Klein and MSNBC President Phil Griffin to ensure both took the matter seriously.

Both CNN and MSNBC failed to respond appropriately.

CNN’s Rick Sanchez, who was responsible for pushing this lie initially, had the gall to repeat the lie but this time also attaching Mr. Limbaugh’s denial, suggesting the truth was unclear when the truth is absolutely crystal clear. CNN neither apologized nor retracted.

MSNBC was even worse. This disgraceful network continued to repeat this smear on MSNBC Live.

Neither showed any initiative to source the fabricated quote, nor did either network retract or apologize for spreading the false propaganda on their broadcast airwaves. Instead, both CNN and MSNBC repeated the fictitious statement that was created to smear Rush Limbaugh and his character.

MRC President Brent Bozell issued the following statement:

“The CNN and MSNBC ‘news’ networks are guilty of promoting outright falsehoods and purposely using fabricated disinformation created by left-wing radicals to destroy a conservative leader. There is no grey area here. CNN and MSNBC were given ample opportunity to come clean, but both are continuing to masquerade malicious lies as credible.

“Perhaps if they spent less time fact-checking SNL comedy skits and more time fact-checking what they laughably call ‘news,’ they would have a chance to salvage their tattered reputations, sinking even faster with this intentional character assassination.

“We are tabulating exactly who has engaged in this smear campaign and will reveal a complete list of willful participants at a press conference next week. Everyone now knows that these statements attributed to Rush are lies. Those who have repeated them have 24 hours to retract and publicly apologize – or you will be named among those intentionally engaged in character assassination.

“I understand Mr. Limbaugh has threatened legal action. I hope you all have good lawyers.”
http://mrc.org/press/releases/2009/20091014025536.aspx

[rjv]

Whatever you do may seem insignificant to you, but it is most important that you do it.
Mohandas Gandhi


well i never thought something so profound could lose meaning until i saw it used in this context.

[clambake]

how is crips and bloods racist?

he called them crips and bloods.

like i said, he should sue for his right to be openly racist.

[jack sommerset]

how is crips and bloods racist?

Two faced is why. The NFL has 75 percent blacks in the league but nobody wants to say football is racist unless you are talking about the QB or coaching postion then the race card comes a flying.

[clambake]

Two faced is why. The NFL has 75 percent blacks in the league but nobody wants to say football is racist unless you are talking about the QB or coaching postion then the race card comes a flying.

or if you're rush limbaugh.

[spursncowboys]

he called them crips and bloods.

like i said, he should sue for his right to be openly racist.
Your an idiot. I asked how is that racist. You just repeated it.

[clambake]

Your an idiot. I asked how is that racist. You just repeated it.

i'm not interested in your lack of comprehension.

why don't you champion an effort in convincing rush to be a proud and open racist instead of pretending he isn't?

[jack sommerset]

or if you're rush limbaugh.

I have to say I don't listen to Rush. I certainly know of him and have heard some interviews/clips over the years but unless someone comes up with some proof the dude is a racist, he is not.

Rush is in the middle of the political hot bed. He should have never said he wanted to buy the Rams. He nails people to the cross and now he just got a little pay back. Fair, I honestly don't know but he is not a racist.

[clambake]

I have to say I don't listen to Rush. I certainly know of him and have heard some interviews/clips over the years but unless someone comes up with some proof the dude is a racist, he is not.

Rush is in the middle of the political hot bed. He should have never said he wanted to buy the Rams. He nails people to the cross and now he just got a little pay back. Fair, I honestly don't know but he is not a racist.

popular opinion brought this pig to his knees.

i'm just glad he's the face of the party.

[spursncowboys]

popular opinion brought this pig to his knees.

i'm just glad he's the face of the party.
It wasn't popular opinion commie.

[clambake]

you're very sensitive, scout.

[Crookshanks]

This hasn't brought Rush to his knees - if anything, it's making him more popular! He has 20 million listeners, and many of them are furious over this - and they're protesting with their wallets by cancelling their subscriptions to NFL TV and not going to games - and they're letting Goodell know why.

It will be very interesting to see how this all plays out.

BTW - who do these black players think are paying their outrageous salaries? The percentage of blacks who watch the NFL or attend games is less than 25%.

[ChumpDumper]

Those black players shouldn't be so uppity.

[jack sommerset]

popular opinion brought this pig to his knees.

i'm just glad he's the face of the party.

Son, you need to separate politics from everything else.:lol

[clambake]

you'd think his drug addiction would mellow him out.

maybe he needs another one of those "special" vacations.

[ElNono]

It will be very interesting to see how this all plays out.

What plays out?
Do you think the NFL or NFL fans give a shit? :lmao

[jack sommerset]

THIS PROVES RUSH IS A RACIST

SmyGuFUI9BI&feature

opps,my bad. Biden is the guilty party.

[clambake]

damn, that guy is fat.

[jack sommerset]

damn, that guy is fat.

:lol Thats all you got. Approval rating going down, down and down. Keep making fun, son.

[clambake]

:lol Thats all you got. Approval rating going down, down and down. Keep making fun, son.

you're right. let me re-phrase that.

damn, that guy is uber fat.

[ChumpDumper]

:lol Thats all you got. Approval rating going down, down and down. Keep making fun, son.Whose approval rating? Obama's? It actually went up last week. Not that I think it means that much, but then again factual accuracy doesn't seem that important to you.

[fyatuk]

The NFL is a private club, they get to decide who joins. If you don't like it, write your local Senator about their anti-trust excemption.

Misconception. NFL doesn't really have an anti-trust exemption that belongs to them. There's an anti-trust exemption for professional football, baseball, basketball, and hockey in general to allow collective bargaining for broadcast rights (with more restrictions on football than the other sports).

To remove the "the NFL's anti-trust exemption" means to specifically exclude them from a law in place for everyone, which is a disgusting prospect to any true American.

[baseline bum]

you'd think his drug addiction would mellow him out.

maybe he needs another one of those "special" vacations.

Downers like oxycodone only make you happy and mellow in low doses. Isn't it awesome when bad things happen to bad people?

[clambake]

Isn't it awesome when bad things happen to bad people?

i don't know. that whole side of the isle can't do anything but play the victim.

[xrayzebra]

Hey clam, dope did work for Obama, he is dumber than a doorknob. Only thing I get
a little tired of the re-turd trying to pick my wallet. Now he wants to mess with my
healthcare, like kill me off.

[Crookshanks]

Isn't it awesome when bad things happen to bad people?
I'll remember this and remind you of it when something bad happens to Obama - like when he doesn't get re-elected.

[ChumpDumper]

Hey clam, dope did work for Obama, he is dumber than a doorknob. Only thing I get
a little tired of the re-turd trying to pick my wallet. Now he wants to mess with my
healthcare, like kill me off.Death panel!

[clambake]

Hey clam,
hey ray, how's everything?

dope did work for Obama, he is dumber than a doorknob. Only thing I get a little tired of the re-turd trying to pick my wallet. Now he wants to mess with my healthcare, like kill me off.
what? you wanna live forever?

[clambake]

lol sharpton calls him Mr. Lumbar.

[xrayzebra]

hey ray, how's everything?

what? you wanna live forever?

Doing well. Hope you are too.


Yeah, I like to live until I die, not with the assistance of the
dimm-o-craps. (you might have to explain the last to the newbies)

:lol

[clambake]

Doing well. Hope you are too.


Yeah, I like to live until I die, not with the assistance of the
dimm-o-craps. (you might have to explain the last to the newbies)

:lol

:lol

[baseline bum]

I'll remember this and remind you of it when something bad happens to Obama - like when he doesn't get re-elected.

Doesn't bother me. I don't worship Obama like you do Rush. I'm not even sure that I like him.

[ChumpDumper]

Doing well. Hope you are too.


Yeah, I like to live until I die, not with the assistance of the
dimm-o-craps. (you might have to explain the last to the newbies)

:lolWhat insurance are you using these days?

[clambake]

he's got ya there, ray.

[xrayzebra]

What insurance are you using these days?

Well, the government issued insurance. Hell I couldn't purchase any other.
And if I could, I wouldn't trust them (the insurance) anyhow. At my age,
they would have to be a complete fraud.

That's the reason I can speak with authority about government insurance,
I know what it is like..........actually it beats HMO's just barely, cause I can
pick my own poison, so to speak, if they will accept the government IOU's..

[ChumpDumper]

Well, the government issued insurance. Hell I couldn't purchase any other.
And if I could, I wouldn't trust them (the insurance) anyhow. At my age,
they would have to be a complete fraud.

That's the reason I can speak with authority about government insurance,
I know what it is like..........actually it beats HMO's just barely, cause I can
pick my own poison, so to speak, if they will accept the government IOU's..It's a god thing the Democrats made that insurance available for you then.


Now could you tell me how Obama is trying to "mess" with your health care?

[xrayzebra]

It's a god thing the Democrats made that insurance available for you then.


Now could you tell me how Obama is trying to "mess" with your health care?

Mess with it. Mess with it. He doesn't want to mess with it, he wants to
be in control of it. But I think we have kinda changed the subject of the
thread.

How you like the race whores taking out old Rush baby out. Guess you bought
yourself a six pack to celebrate.......and didn't even ask me over.

Now if they can just figure out out to get him out of radio.....but Obama
and gang are working on that.

[ChumpDumper]

Mess with it. Mess with it. He doesn't want to mess with it, he wants to
be in control of it.Who is in control of it now?
But I think we have kinda changed the subject of the
thread.You brought it up. You said he wanted to mess with it.


How you like the race whores taking out old Rush baby out. Guess you bought
yourself a six pack to celebrate.......and didn't even ask me over.I would love to see Rush trying to run an NFL team. I am all for it.


Now if they can just figure out out to get him out of radio.....but Obama
and gang are working on that.In what way are they doing that?

[DarrinS]

Should they give EXISTING NFL owners polygraph tests?

Why restrict this to the NFL? I know Mark Cuban has some interesting political views.

[ChumpDumper]

Should they give EXISTING NFL owners polygraph tests?I didn't read the whole thread. Did they give Limbaugh a polygraph test?

[DarrinS]

I didn't read the whole thread. Did they give Limbaugh a polygraph test?


No, but apparently people think Rush is a racist, and therefore should not own an NFL team.

[George Gervin's Afro]

No, but apparently people think Rush is a racist, and therefore should not own an NFL team.

rush's history of spewing controversial rhetoric has consequences..

[xrayzebra]

Well chump, right now I am pretty well in control. Or do you still have your reading
comprehension problem? I said I can choose my own doctor, remember........think...



Rush wasn't going to be a senior partner. Only a "minority" holder. Oh, gee, sorry I
said minority.

About controlling radio. Damn Chump you still don't read much do you. Just come
on the spurstalk to get your news.... I haven't the time to explain.

Talk to you somewhere down the line.

Keep you wick dry.

[xrayzebra]

rush's history of spewing controversial rhetoric has consequences..

Well gee, I gotta answer you on this one......

Have you talked to Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson lately......

Especially about Duke and the Brawley (sp) gal.....


Naw, that would be too hard. Idiot

[ChumpDumper]

No, but apparently people think Rush is a racist, and therefore should not own an NFL team.What does that have to do with polygraphs?

[DarrinS]

rush's history of spewing controversial rhetoric has consequences..


Apparently, it doesn't keep one from becoming president or vice president of the United States.

[DarrinS]

What does that have to do with polygraphs?



Well, forget polygraphs. Just find out if they support the policies of Barack Hussein Obama (mmm mmm mmm). If they don't, then they are obviously racists and should be removed from the league.

[ChumpDumper]

Well chump, right now I am pretty well in control. Or do you still have your reading
comprehension problem? I said I can choose my own doctor, remember........think...Is Obama trying to change that?



About controlling radio. Damn Chump you still don't read much do you. Just come
on the spurstalk to get your news.... I haven't the time to explain.So you jsut made it up.

Understood.

[ChumpDumper]

Well gee, I gotta answer you on this one......

Have you talked to Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson lately......

Especially about Duke and the Brawley (sp) gal.....


Naw, that would be too hard. IdiotI'm sure they can't buy NFL franchises either.

[ChumpDumper]

Well, forget polygraphs. Just find out if they support the policies of Barack Hussein Obama (mmm mmm mmm). If they don't, then they are obviously racists and should be removed from the league.That is not their policy. Many of the owners support Republican candidates and causes.

No need to build straw men.

[DarrinS]

That is not their policy. Many of the owners support Republican candidates and causes.

No need to build straw men.



So, what, specifically is the problem with RL?

[ChumpDumper]

So, what, specifically is the problem with RL?It certainly isn't that he is a Republican. I personally think the owners are being hypocritical if they are trying to avoid controversy. I am for Rush's bid, even though it sounds like he would have been a pretty small fish in this group.

[DarrinS]

It certainly isn't that he is a Republican.

What is it then?

[ChumpDumper]

What is it then?See above.

If you think it's because he's Republican, you would have to show that all the other owners are not Republican supporters, which simply isn't true.

[DarrinS]

See above.

If you think it's because he's Republican, you would have to show that all the other owners are not Republican supporters, which simply isn't true.


Has he committed a crime?

[DarrinS]

Should NFL players be kept out of the hall of fame for making any kind of provocative public statements?

[Cry Havoc]

"Look, let me put it to you this way: The NFL all too often looks like a game between the Bloods and the Crips without any weapons. There, I said it."

"I mean, let's face it, we didn't have slavery in this country for over 100 years because it was a bad thing. Quite the opposite: Slavery built the South. I'm not saying we should bring it back. I'm just saying it had its merits. For one thing, the streets were safer after dark."

"The NAACP should have riot rehearsal. They should get a liquor store and practice robberies."


--

Yep. Nothing racist about Rush. :lmao I can't even believe this is a debated issue.

[ChumpDumper]

Has he committed a crime?Some involving prescription drugs, probably -- though he seemed to have settled them without being convicted.

[ChumpDumper]

Should NFL players be kept out of the hall of fame for making any kind of provocative public statements?They could conceivably be kept out of ownership groups, which is what we are talking about after all.

[DarrinS]

"Look, let me put it to you this way: The NFL all too often looks like a game between the Bloods and the Crips without any weapons. There, I said it."

"I mean, let's face it, we didn't have slavery in this country for over 100 years because it was a bad thing. Quite the opposite: Slavery built the South. I'm not saying we should bring it back. I'm just saying it had its merits. For one thing, the streets were safer after dark."

"The NAACP should have riot rehearsal. They should get a liquor store and practice robberies."


--

Yep. Nothing racist about Rush. :lmao I can't even believe this is a debated issue.



I'm pretty sure the first quote can be attributed to him. Do you have any audio or video links to the other two?

[DarrinS]

They could conceivably be kept out of ownership groups, which is what we are talking about after all.

I agree that they conceivably CAN. But SHOULD they?

[ChumpDumper]

I agree that they conceivably CAN. But SHOULD they?Depends on what they say. I'm sure the NFL owners have a lower tolerance for this kind of thing than you or I, but when that kind of money is involved, many prefer to play it safe.

[spursncowboys]

Depends on what they say. I'm sure the NFL owners have a lower tolerance for this kind of thing than you or I, but when that kind of money is involved, many prefer to play it safe.
The owners never voted. It was Sharpton and Franken strong arming goodell. They should have let the owners voted.

[George Gervin's Afro]

The owners never voted. It was Sharpton and Franken strong arming goodell. They should have let the owners voted.

sharpton and jackson are for the most part useless..rush's chickens have come home to roost

[Cry Havoc]

The owners never voted. It was Sharpton and Franken strong arming goodell. They should have let the owners voted.

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x237/oddpal/waahmbulance.png

[Crookshanks]

^ the vehicle of choice for the Revs Jackson and Sharpton.

[Cry Havoc]

^ the vehicle of choice for the Revs Jackson and Sharpton.

I completely agree with you there.

[NoOptionB]

Rush is going to fuck shit up now.



Good game by the clowns though. :toast

[jack sommerset]

I thought Limbaughs partners told him he was out.

[balli]

lol... Rush is throwing a fucking tantrum.

[spursncowboys]

I thought Limbaughs partners told him he was out. Yeah.

[Yonivore]

lol... Rush is throwing a fucking tantrum.
I actually listened to Limbaugh today. This is as untrue as the made up quotes.

Disappointed? Sure. "Throwing a fucking tantrum?" Hardly. He was pretty sanguine about the whole thing.

I'd like to hear you describe the behavior, in which he engaged, that led you to the conclusion he threw a "fucking tantrum."

In fact, he told the listeners today that he warned his partners this would happen. They assured him that his involvement in the deal was a done deal and that it had been discussed among the league without any dissenters.

Limbaugh said his partner called him Tuesday evening and asked him to withdraw from the partnership. Rush refused and said he was going to have to fire him. He called back Wednesday and did just that...saying it would be announced this morning. It was leaked to ESPN Wednesday.

I never detected anger in his voice and I certainly never thought he was approaching an Olbermannesque temper tantrum.

Do you just make shit up?

[clambake]

he was blubbering today.

[Yonivore]

he was blubbering today.
So, you listened?

At what point was he blubbering? I never heard his voice break with emotion or rise in anger. It was a pretty matter-of-fact telling of the events from his perspective.

[clambake]

yes, he's blubbering.

i don't know why. he couldn't have lost any investment.

[Yonivore]

yes, he's blubbering.

i don't know why. he couldn't have lost any investment.
In fact, you're right, he didn't lose any money...something else he noted today.

Again, please describe the blubbering and temper tantrum.

[clambake]

he was bawling in private.

i thought he showed some real restraint.

too bad he didn't invest. he could have sued his wimpy partners.