**OFFICIAL Strikeforce: Fedor vs Rogers on CBS Thread**

[dallaskd]

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Main Card (Televised):

Fedor Emelianenko vs. Brett Rogers
Jake Shields vs. Jason "Mayhem" Miller (MW Title Fight)
Gegard Mousasi vs. Rameau Thierry Sokoudjou
Fabricio Werdum vs. Antonio Silva


FEDOR EMELIANENKO vs. BRETT ROGERS:
Simply referred to as "Fedor" by fans around the world, the 6-foot, 235-pound Russian is one of the most dominant fighters in the sport. A master of the Russian military combat system, Sambo, he boasts a record of 30 wins, one loss, no draws with 16 wins by submission, seven knockouts and seven decisions. His opponent, undefeated American, 28-year-old Brett Rogers (10-0) stands 6-feet, 5-inches tall, weighs 265 pounds and brings two of the heaviest hands in the sport to the cage. Both Fedor and Rogers' last victories came against former heavyweight champion Andrei Arlovski.

JAKE SHIELDS vs. JASON "MAYHEM" MILLER
In the night's middleweight title fight (185 pounds), Jake Shields (23-4-1) squares off against Jason "Mayhem" Miller (22-6). Shields, widely considered one of the best fighters in the world, brings an impressive 12-fight win streak to the cage, six of his last seven coming by way of first round submission. Most recently, he defeated world-ranked middleweight "Ruthless" Robbie Lawler in his Strikeforce debut on June 6. His opponent, Miller, a fellow submission expert, is one of MMA's most exciting fighters. The Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu and Muay Thai specialist is the host of MTV's reality series "Bully Beatdown" and trains with two of the sport's most recognizable fighters, Randy "The Natural" Couture and Quinton "Rampage" Jackson. He currently has 13 submission victories on his resume.

GEGARD MOUSASI vs. RAMEAU THIERRY SOKOUDJOU
Gegard Mousasi and Rameau Thierry Sokoudjou will face one another in the night's light heavyweight (205 pounds) bout. Mousasi (26-2-1) of Leiden, Netherlands, recently scored his 13th consecutive victory on August 15, 2009 by winning his U.S. debut and the Strikeforce light heavyweight title in a first round victory over defending champion Renato "Babalu" Sobral on Showtime. Sokoudjou (7-4), known to his fans as "The African Assassin," has scored six of his seven wins by knockouts and brings an impressive striking game to the cage.

FABRICIO WERDUM vs. ANTONIO SILVA
Fabricio "Vai Cavalo" Werdum will face Antonio "Junior" Silva in a match-up of two promising Brazilian heavyweights. Werdum is a two-time Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu world champion and a submission expert while Silva has nine KOs in his 13 victories. Werdum, a former Pride and UFC standout, is coming off an impressive first round submission victory in his Strikeforce debut on Aug. 15 over veteran Mike Kyle. Silva, a fellow 6-foot-4 Brazilian, will be making his Strikeforce debut after compiling a remarkable 13-1 record since he turned pro in 2005.

Showtime Sports will produce the four-fight event with host Gus Johnson calling the action and MMA legend Frank Shamrock and Mauro Ranallo serving as color analysts. The executive producer is David Dinkins, Jr.

[dallaskd]

my picks..

Fedor Emelianenko vs. Brett Rogers
Jake Shields vs. Jason "Mayhem" Miller
Gegard Mousasi vs. Rameau Thierry Sokoudjou
Fabricio Werdum vs. Antonio Silva


I'm surprised to see Silva back fighting in the U.S.

[BlackSwordsMan]

lol the best they can throw at fedor is brett rogers
sad

[dallaskd]

lol the best they can throw at fedor is brett rogers
sad

(waiting for a 4 page rant from leonard)

[BlackSwordsMan]

but but he beat arvolski in 10 seconds

[dallaskd]

but but tim sylvia was 300 pounds vs mercer!

[BlackSwordsMan]

lol werdum will be fedor's next opponent
lol m1 management

[dallaskd]

Fedor is too good to dodge anybody...

[Mr Dio]

lol werdum will be fedor's next opponent
lol m1 management



Werdum, he's that awesome top notch talent guy like Cro Flop that was to rule the UFC HW div? :lol
Last time I saw Werdum in the UFC his ears were getting woggled by one of those 'scrub' UFC HWs. :lol

Those pride HWs sure ruled the UFC. Uh huh.
Now thse awesome pride HWs who don't dodge top comp are fighting the best.....in Strikeforce :lol

[Mr Dio]

Guess we know why FakeDor is dodging the UFC so much.
Doesn't want to look like a total failure, so he'll fight the best out there...in Strikeforce :lol

FakeDor Gump, Runnnn Fake Dor runnnn

[ATRAIN]

Poor Sokoudjou is going to lose on National TV (Free). I hope Rogers wins to end the Fedor debate and nuthugging. Im looking foward to the Shields fight more.

[oligarchy]

I don't even have to say anything in the thread. It looks like it's been covered. :lol


Poor Sokoudjou is going to lose on National TV (Free). I hope Rogers wins to end the Fedor debate and nuthugging. Im looking foward to the Shields fight more.

Don't piss dallaskd off.




Fedor Emelianenko vs. Brett Rogers
Jake Shields vs. Jason "Mayhem" Miller
Gegard Mousasi vs. Rameau Thierry Sokoudjou
Fabricio Werdum vs. Antonio Silva

[cornbread]

Gegard Mousasi vs. Rameau Thierry Sokoudjou


Can't say I agree with your prediction but respect for sticking by your boy.

[polandprzem]

http://www.mma-core.com/videos/_Fedor_vs_Rogers_Coming_To_CBS_Primetime_?vid=1000 7310&tid=104

[oligarchy]

I think the number of viewers should also be guessed. Fedor on primtime.. how many views? 500k?

[eyeh8u]

I think the number of viewers should also be guessed. Fedor on primtime.. how many views? 500k?

3.8 18-34 , 5.7 total

[oligarchy]

3.8 18-34 , 5.7 total

divided by 7.

[dallaskd]

lol @ at the soku haters... I guess lightning is gonna strike for the 3rd time..

[polandprzem]

WhereTF is leonard?

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[djohn14]

Fedor Emelianenko vs. Brett Rogers
Jake Shields vs. Jason "Mayhem" Miller (MW Title Fight)
Gegard Mousasi vs. Rameau Thierry Sokoudjou
Fabricio Werdum vs. Antonio Silva

[polandprzem]

Fedor Emelianenko vs. Brett Rogers
Jake Shields vs. Jason "Mayhem" Miller (MW Title Fight)
Gegard Mousasi vs. Rameau Thierry Sokoudjou
Fabricio Werdum vs. Antonio Silva

[The TroutBum]

I know this is stupid, but when is this, and what time?

[desflood]

The poster says Saturday November 21 at 10 pm eastern :lol

Hasn't it been moved to this Saturday?


Fedor Emelianenko vs. Brett Rogers
Jake Shields vs. Jason "Mayhem" Miller (MW Title Fight)
Gegard Mousasi vs. Rameau Thierry Sokoudjou
Fabricio Werdum vs. Antonio Silva

[Evan]

epic ratings flop warning...

[dbreiden83080]

UFC i'm sure will put on a recent UFC on Spike to counter this. UFC 105 is free on Spike the week before..

[Behrooz24]

http://www.searscentre.com/assets/events/2009/11/mainEventImg/540x255_fedor_rogers_wDate.jpg

[polandprzem]

http://www.mmarocks.pl/2009/11/02/hit-sezonu-sweter-fedora/

[polandprzem]

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[tvdij]

Looking forward to this fight. Seeing Fedor try to keep his streak going is exciting. It's a shame Barnett roiding himself out of the Affliction card... but I suppose Rogers will do. His resume isn't any more or less than Shane Carwin's. It should be a 2 minute fight, either way

[Technique]

Brett is on ESPN right now.

[polandprzem]

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This is the only fighter I'm shitting my pants because I have that fear of him.

Damn taht adrenaline is rising and it's gonna be on a real high level during the fight

[desflood]

Mayhem twittering from Chicago:

Chicago Update: It's cold as fuck to me here, but Fedor is walking around like it's 4th of July." -Mayhem Miller

[polandprzem]

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Dana would love to have Brett in the UFC. All of his fighters were losing fights (exp. machida). So still Fedor can be named best p4p.

Is carwins resume better then Rogers?

Is Brock as active as Fedor? Or is GSP as active?

Fedor would have 3 fights this year GSP - 2


Well all in all hopefully Fedor will win with Brett in the 1st or smash him all 2 rounds :)

[cornbread]

Fedor
Shields
Mousasi
Silva

[dallaskd]

Im watching the weigh ins on HDnet right now. Silva has the biggest head/jaw ive ever seen in my life. wow.. lol

[Evan]

Fedor Emelianenko
Jake Shields
Gegard Mousasi
Fabricio Werdum
Roxy

[Rip-Hamilton32]

i hope rogers wins cause fedor bitched out and signed with sf

[Technique]

This is going to be epic.

[Behrooz24]

Im watching the weigh ins on HDnet right now. Silva has the biggest head/jaw ive ever seen in my life. wow.. lol

I don't see it...
http://i38.tinypic.com/2wg6jbq.jpg

[Kobulingam]

what time does it start

[TheTruth]

Strikeforce has been signing some VERY nice fighters. Jacare and Mo. Very very nice.

[BlackSwordsMan]

henderson

[dallaskd]

Strikeforce has like all of Team Quest :lol

[dbreiden83080]

In just in time what the hell is up with this poster that has the wrong date on it, i forgot this was even on..

Fedor Emelianenko

Jake Shields

Gegard Mousasi

Fabricio Werdum

Mark Miller

[Evan]

what time does it start

8 minutes

[dbreiden83080]

8 minutes

Locked my picks in 10 min ago.. :lol

[Behrooz24]

This is so much better than watching a shitty sopcast stream :0

[benefactor]

After looking so good early, Silva is about to lose this fight. I don't know why he went away from the striking.

[Blackjack]

Holy shitballs!:wow

I want a rematch; skilled heavyweights with heart and conditioning?:hungry

Silva got rd.1 and Werdum got rd.3 but the 2nd could have gone either way.

[dbreiden83080]

Werdum by decision

Good fight..

[Sense]

After looking so good early, Silva is about to lose this fight. I don't know why he went away from the striking.

He had it..... but yeah it was stupid to not let him stand up.

[dbreiden83080]

This is so much better than watching a shitty sopcast stream :0


indeed...

[Sense]

Beer run!

[Blackjack]

After looking so good early, Silva is about to lose this fight. I don't know why he went away from the striking.

I think he gassed a bit and was trying to buy a little time; I can't believe Werdum lived much less kept fighting after that overhand from the top when he was flat on his back.

[Trainwreck2100]

In just in time what the hell is up with this poster that has the wrong date on it, i forgot this was even on..

Fedor Emelianenko

Jake Shields

Gegard Mousasi

Fabricio Werdum

Mark Miller

I assume its' cause they moved it to CBS that they moved it up

[benefactor]

I think he gassed a bit and was trying to buy a little time; I can't believe Werdum lived much less kept fighting after that overhand from the top when he was flat on his back.
Yeah...I thought he was done. My favorite memory of Werdum is him getting KTFO by Arlovski on the ground with a single punch.

[benefactor]

Sokoudju hanging in there early on.

[benefactor]

Whoa...maybe not.

[benefactor]

lol Gayhard

[Blackjack]

Gay-hard's a bad, bad man. :lol

[benefactor]

Mousasi is a decent fighter, but he wasn't as impressive as they are making him out to be. He would probably be a middle of the pack fighter in the MW division in the UFC.

[Blackjack]

It's a Bully Beatdown, bitches!

[Evan]

well obviously...without question...Soku was a one hit wonder. Maybe he would have something if he went to Greg Jackson and got his entire game stripped down and refurbished he'd have something. So sick of hearing about this alleged Judo he has.

[Blackjack]

Mousasi is a decent fighter, but he wasn't as impressive as they are making him out to be. He would probably be a middle of the pack fighter in the MW division in the UFC.

Are you suggesting that Strikeforce's presentation and the aficionado that is Gus Johnson would be guilty of hyperbole?

You do know that Kimbo Slice is the Tiger Woods of MMA, right?

[dbreiden83080]

Another tough loss for Soku

[Evan]

Are you suggesting that Strikeforce's presentation and the aficionado that is Gus Johnson would be guilty of hyperbole?

My God I hate Mauro....he's a top 3 shitty announcer in all of sports.

[Blackjack]

well obviously...without question...Soku was a one hit wonder. Maybe he would have something if he went to Greg Jackson and got his entire game stripped down and refurbished he'd have something. So sick of hearing about this alleged Judo he has.

A hell of a physical talent but leaves a lot to be desired in his overall game and approach; he at least had a couple of good throws before he broke. So I guess there's that..

[dbreiden83080]

My God I hate Mauro....he's a top 3 shitty announcer in all of sports.

Fuckin Horrific announcer..

[benefactor]

well obviously...without question...Soku was a one hit wonder. Maybe he would have something if he went to Greg Jackson and got his entire game stripped down and refurbished he'd have something. So sick of hearing about this alleged Judo he has.
I know right. I don't know that I remember one of his fights where he has done something impressive from a Judo standpoint. Karo would own him.

[benefactor]

A hell of a physical talent but leaves a lot to be desired in his overall game and approach; he at least had a couple of good throws before he broke. So I guess there's that..
He needs to get him a serious wrestling coach and work on nothing but that for a solid year.

[benefactor]

Slap boxing? Wtf is that?

[Blackjack]

Style- slap boxing :lmao

He's got to be my favorite D-Bag ever..

[dallaskd]

Mousasi is a little bitch. Soku won the first round. Just gassed and still has no JJ as usual.

[Evan]

Slap boxing? Wtf is that?

something he made up ...lol

[benefactor]

Wow...every Jiu Jitsu guy that gets in a Strikeforce cage is one of the best in the world. I'm impressed.

[dallaskd]

well obviously...without question...Soku was a one hit wonder. Maybe he would have something if he went to Greg Jackson and got his entire game stripped down and refurbished he'd have something. So sick of hearing about this alleged Judo he has.

He did like 3 hip tosses and took mousasi down around 4 or 5 times

[Blackjack]

I think Miller might have stole that round at the end.

Shields controlled for the most part but those slams can leave an impression..

[Sense]

lol Miller gave me a laugh that first round

[Blackjack]

Shields is dominating the position battle but he's not doing much with it.

Shields got Rd.2, though

[Evan]

He did like 3 hip tosses and took mousasi down around 4 or 5 times

he doesn't do anything with it tho...he doesn't advance the fight after a move like other Judo guys do...ex like Lyoto or Karo does when they toss someone.

[benefactor]

Shields is one lucky mofo.

[dallaskd]

he doesn't do anything with it tho...he doesn't advance the fight after a move like other Judo guys do...ex like Lyoto or Karo does when they toss someone.

Not his fault. Hendo doesnt teach him shit.. He needs to switch camps, but he is loyal to TQ.

[Blackjack]

Mayhem's got to find a way to keep it standing because Shields is out-pointing him with the wrestling, even if Miller looks more dangerous.

[dbreiden83080]

BORINNNNNNNG Fight..

[dallaskd]

Great fight.. I love technical matches like this. I dont want to hear any shit that Mayhem isnt a legitimate fighter..

[Sense]

That was disappointing... Shields did what he needed to win, but I would've loved to have seen more punches thrown

[dallaskd]

it was a good fight..

[Blackjack]

The first fight was dope.

Soko fought like a dope.

Mayhem's probably off to smoke some dope.

[mookie2001]

this actually looks like a good fight

i think im gonna have to go with the american in this one

[benefactor]

I'll give ole slap boxer his props...he really hung in there. :tu

[Blackjack]

Seriously though, unless you have no appreciation for the fight game, there ain't shit to complain about so far.

The 'Gay-hard'/Soko fight had it's moments and Shield's/Miller had some great wrestling and escapes on the technical side.

[Blackjack]

I just love how they didn't understand that the slap-boxing was a joke and not a legit style.:lol

[benefactor]

So the Fedor/Rogers fight will go like this.....Rogers comes out swinging...Fedor closes the distance and takes him down....Fedor submits him. It will be over in the first round.

[mookie2001]

always bet against the uncircumsized euro

[mookie2001]

fedor is a little fairy

i saw his brother giving him a bath in russia, youll never see me doing shit like that

[Blackjack]

So the Fedor/Rogers fight will go like this.....Rogers comes out swinging...Fedor closes the distance and takes him down....Fedor submits him. It will be over in the first round.

I was thinking Rogers would end up falling on him and Fedor would roll into a sub.

[DMX7]

I'm ready!!!!

[benefactor]

All Fedor needs is a wifebeater and he is your drunk uncle that cusses and throws beer cans at the TV on Sunday afternoons.

[mookie2001]

poooooooooor fedor

[dallaskd]

Fedor is getting worked.

[DMX7]

Blood everywhere, lol.

[Technique]

Fedor looked a uncoordinated. Glad he can at least clean up the blood now though. That one time Rogers was on top he looked good.

[Blackjack]

That was fun..

I've learned from Rampage that titties tend to distract during a fight; how could you expect Fedor to dodge that jab when he's got titties in his face..

[dallaskd]

Rogers just need training and more fights. He has a future, unlike Kimbo.

lol poor kimbo. people never leave the guy alone..

[Technique]

Holy shit

[dallaskd]

The Greatest.

[mookie2001]

they stopped the fight just for that shit?

4cc hits harder than that

[benefactor]

and good night.....

[benefactor]

That was eerily similar to the Arlovski fight.

[DMX7]

They shouldn't have stopped it. That's B.S.

[dallaskd]

They shouldn't have stopped it. That's B.S.

you have to be kidding me..

[benefactor]

lol...he walked right into it. That looked like Hendo knocking out Bisping.

[Technique]

The fight was over bros. No question about it. Ground and pound following that knock down. He was out.

[dbreiden83080]

Good good fight, Fedor lost Round 1 IMO, didn't look great at all in that rd, but Rogers was gassed and he landed the big right hand. Entertaining fight..

[dallaskd]

lol...he walked right into it. That looked like Hendo knocking out Bisping.

ehh.. Bisping was circling left. Rogers walked into the punch. And it was a hendo left, that was a fedor right. But i see your point.

[benefactor]

Not even close, but it was sweet.
The same technically...not devastation-wise. Bisping was out cold.

[desflood]

Wow. Rogers broke Fedor's nose early, held the cage every time he got to it and punched to the back of the head - and still couldn't beat Fedor.

[benefactor]

ehh.. Bisping was circling left. Rogers walked into the punch. And it was a hendo left, that was a fedor right. But i see your point.
Yeah...I mean it from a situational standpoint. Both basically walked right into punches they could have avoided.

[BlackSwordsMan]

wow jason miller and jake shields was a garbage fucking fight

[Sense]

It was coming....

[dallaskd]

Yeah...I mean it from a situational standpoint. Both basically walked right into punches they could have avoided.

yeah both kinda ducked the head and threw the haymaker

Rogers is gonna be good. He impressed me.

[MannyIsGod]

Rodgers was a bit fucking cocky for a guy who just got knocked the fuck out.

[Technique]

Yeah Rogers is definitely an egomaniac, I imagine that's the way Lesnar would act after getting rolled like that. However, he did look good in that fight and will probably roll through his next opponents eventually leading up to a rematch which could be epic. Though he did kinda take advantage of the cards he was dealt in round 1.

[Blackjack]

Why Gus Johnson?

Why?

Other than that abortion of a presentation, hell of a night for a free card.:tu

[Sense]

Rodgers was a bit fucking cocky for a guy who just got knocked the fuck out.

indeed, but he hasn't lost so....

I guess it's kind of understanding, at the same time you just lost to one of the greatest so that shouldn't have been the reaction. I guess the blood started to make him think "I'm THE MAN!"

[Technique]

By the way anyone know where to find the entrance to both Fedor and Rogers, it was on commercial for like 5 minutes.

[Blackjack]

^ ^ I was wondering if I missed it while I was getting a beer.

You've got to show The Fedor entrance, right?

Abortion of a presentation I tell ya'; the camera work was pretty fuckin' shotty as well.. I shouldn't bitch. It was free.

[Kobulingam]

Rogers only reopened a cut on Fedors nose that he had intially incurred in training. Fedor was playing with the blood/cut while he was on his back right before Rogers landed those GnP punches.

[dbreiden83080]

Fedor has a great gas tank and his power and subs are just so good you felt heading into RD 2 it was only going to be a matter of time..

That KO was highlight reel stuff..

[dbreiden83080]

Really good fight, good night of fights overall, a successful show for Strikeforce IMO

We'll see what the ratings are..

[benefactor]

:lol

And Dan followed it with that superman punch while he was still out on the ground. That was some sweet shit.
It never gets old for me.....

http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/2340/1247367977823.gif

[polandprzem]

Card was really good. UFC cards are not that good.

Gegard is top3 lhw



Fedor!

Unbelivable, having the preassure of being a myth and unbeaten? Still staying cool and relaxed in a fight. Wow, this guy is amazing.

[Sense]

Card was really good. UFC cards are not that good.

Gegard is top3 lhw



Fedor!

Unbelivable, having the preassure of being a myth and unbeaten? Still staying cool and relaxed in a fight. Wow, this guy is amazing.

he's lost once hasnt he?

[dallaskd]

he's lost once hasnt he?

He didnt lost. Kosaka beat him by a fluke cut less than 20 seconds into the fight. Fedor would have won that fight. It was 10 years ago and it was around his 4 or 5th pro fight i think.

[dallaskd]

Cant wait to see how Dana trashes Fedor/this card..

[dallaskd]

Sorry for the triple post, but Hendo would smash Shields/Miller to pieces if he ever came to Strikeforce at 185

[The TroutBum]

Awesome card, imo. Fedor is a fucking stud, I love him. I was impressed with Rogers and was about to pronounce myself a fan, until... he opened his stupid ass mouth. Way to make a compete ass fuck out of yourself. Way to be an ungrateful douche loser. IF you get a rematch, I hope Fedor breaks your arm off and jams it up ypur cram hole, dick wad.

What a buffoon.

[Stringer_Bell]

Entertaining card, I wonder how Dana will spin it.

Gay-hard looked pretty intense, but as the fight went on he looked less and less dangerous, but so did his opponent.

I wish Miller could have done more in the initial rounds when he was against the cage. Shields knew exactly how to win and even though it's not an exciting way to do it, he stayed disciplined. Too bad Miller's standup kept getting neutralized, but I dug the fight overall.

Fedor is the best fighter in the world. He is not shaken by pressure or injury. He doesn't think about scoring points. He fights in the moment and he simply punishes people. Rogers has future for sure, looking forward to his next fight.

[angelbelow]

Exciting fight.. Fedor did look a little uncoordinated in in the octagon.

[CubanSucks]

I just got done reading every post since the Fedor fight and could someone PLEASE explain what went down after the fight? What was Rogers doing that was so bad? I want details people, PLEASE. All yalls posts have made me super curious

[CubanSucks]

Oh, and did anyone else see espn's bullshit highlights of the fight? First of all, they didn't even give the results on the bottom line. And when they did show the highlights, it was just a quick replay! ONCE! They literally showed the knockout without any replay and then Fedor raising his hand and that was it!

[Evan]

he's lost once hasnt he?

No. He lost to a technicality on an illegal hit. He didn't lose so much as get screwed by fucked up rules in a small time Japanese show.

Fedor is amazing.

The bad thing is Fedor broke his hand...again. You have to wonder how much damage it can take before his career is over.

[djohn14]

Jason Miller did a lot better job than I thought props to him. Gegard Mousasi is one of my favorite fighters, and I really though Sokoudjou did a good job. I even saw some of his judo! The Silva-Werdum fight was good, and Brett Rogers did a whole lot better than I thought, and Fedor introduced himself the right way to US fans. As posted above, that was a very successful show!

[dbreiden83080]

Just saw it again, Fedor was great last night really great. He got hit with a good shot to open up the fight and was pressed up against the cage but never panicked, went for Subs attempts, made Rogers tired and then at RD 2 finished him off. I was more impressed watching it again..

[dbreiden83080]

Get it while it's hot...


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[dbreiden83080]

"Fedor Emelianenko suffered a broken nose and injured his left hand during his heavyweight bout with Brett Rogers Saturday at Strikeforce/M-1 Global "Fedor vs. Rogers," Sherdog.com has learned from a source close to the fighter's camp.

The nose break isn't an issue worth much concern but the hand breaks remain a major problem for Fedor. In combat sports hand breaks tend to repeat often due to repeated stress to the same bones that have already broken once and have weakened. Fedor's style of punching which involves a lot of landing with the thumb and index finger rather than the knuckles of the index/middle finger leads to a lot more injuries.

There is no word yet on how long this will keep Fedor on the shelf but he has been out up to ten months in the past for similar injuries."

http://www.sbnation.com/2009/11/8/1121485/fedor-emelianenko-breaks-hand-nose

3.9 mil viewers..


http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/11/08/tv-ratings-saturday-strikeforce-fedor-vs-rogers-averages-3-79-million-in-prime-time-on-cbs/32941

[dbreiden83080]

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/65681-cbs-pleased-with-elitexc-ratings

Less than what the last EliteXC show pulled in Kimbo outdrew Fedor..

[dbreiden83080]

Let me add that while the overall production value of SF is good they have to get new announcers. Frank Shamrock isn't too bad, but Gus Johnson the play by play never shuts the hell up. He talks so much and never lets the fight happen. He was telling a sap story about Rogers upbrining just seconds before Fedor KO'd him. Get rid of him please..

[dallaskd]

Say what you want.. Gus Johnson is better than Mike Goldberg.

[dbreiden83080]

Say what you want.. Gus Johnson is better than Mike Goldberg.

No uhhhhh NO....

[dbreiden83080]

Mark Miller vs. Deray Davis (Canceled)

Anyone know why that happened??

Edit

Never mind, that's just shitty...

http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2009/11/8/1121285/what-happened-to-mark-miller-v

[The TroutBum]

Say what you want.. Gus Johnson is better than Mike Goldberg.

Agreed.

[oligarchy]

Lesnar would destroy Fedor. There's no doubt about that. Fedor likes cupcakes too much to drop to LHW.

[Technique]

Lesnar would destroy Fedor. There's no doubt about that. Fedor likes cupcakes too much to drop to LHW.

Your statement makes no sense. Why would Fedor want to drop down to LHW? Last I checked he was doing just fine in his current weight class.

[CubanSucks]

Get it while it's hot...


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THANK YOU! Still don't know what Rogers did or said after the fight that was so bad. Someone please inform me

[atxrocker]

pretty entertaining card all around, first time i've gotten to just chill and watch some mma with the boys in a while. and fedor is a fucking beast, the guy is unstoppable.

[desflood]

Lesnar would destroy Fedor. There's no doubt about that. Fedor likes cupcakes too much to drop to LHW.
I'm not convinced. Fedor just destroyed somebody Lesnar's size (two inches taller, actually) with twice as much fight experience.

[The TroutBum]

Lesnar would destroy Fedor. There's no doubt about that. Fedor likes cupcakes too much to drop to LHW.

Brilliant insight, ass cheeks.

[oligarchy]

For people who don't get the comments:

Fedor is small for a HW. Rogers was able to control him in the clinch, sweep him, and didn't fair as bad as most people would have thought. Fedor's Sambo strengths didn't show, I'm afraid. Lesnar is BIGGERthan Rogers. He weighs in AT 265, after cutting weight. He is also stronger, faster, etc. He may not have as many fights, but he's already fought BETTER competition and dominated the fights he has won. So, uh, yeah.

UPDATE: http://www.fightlinker.com/


Brock Lesnar will smoke Fedor Emelianenko
November 8, 2009 – 1:32 am by subo

There, I said it.

This is not to take away from Fedor’s win over Brett Rogers tonight. The Grim acquitted himself exactly as one would expect a top ten heavyweight - he landed the first punch and drew blood, swept Fedor from the bottom (!) and dropped some pretty decent punches from guard. However, it appeared that Roger’s cardio began to fail him during the first round, and despite holding his own on the feet, in the clinch and, yes, on the ground against The Last Emperor, he was caught with a vicious punch while throwing a hook from below his nipples. Fedor was in trouble a couple of times, caught Rogers with some haymakers that didn’t finish the fight, and was able to cinch his second straight stoppage.

This fight, however, demonstrates a couple of reasons why Fedor chose to sign with Strikeforce. The bones in Fedor’s face may well be made of adamantium, but the skin covering them is more akin to tissue paper or cut-rate condoms (cheap guys will know what I’m talking about here) - there is no doubt in my mind that Rogers, had he elbows on the ground at his disposal (banned in Strikeforce, in direct contradiction to the Unified Rules), would have bloodied the cham… oh wait, he’s still not the Strikeforce champion, but he did keep the WAMMA trinket (did that thing make the air? If so, I mercifully missed it)… even more than he did. And with a little more cardio, maybe Rogers reclaims his top position after escaping the arm bar, and who knows?

What else did we learn? That Fedor is a tiny, tiny heavyweight. He is one half inch taller and about five pounds lighter than Pat Barry. His vaunted Sambo was enough to keep Rogers off balance, but I was very, very surprised by how well The Grim handled himself in the clinch. Rogers, at 6′4 and 262 pounds, represents the new breed and size of heavyweight contenders, exemplified by the oft-delayed but still upcoming Shane Carwin/Brock Lesnar title fight. With a style described as ‘boxing/Muay Thai’ by the CBS graphics department and a history of simply banging his way to victory, Rogers was able to, for a near if not outright majority of the fight, dictate where the action took place. If he had a wrestling background, one imagines he would have been able to clinch and take down Fedor at will.

These three facts - cardio is a necessity at the upper echelons of MMA, Fedor is impossibly small at heavyweight and Grimm’s grappling, while sufficient, left a lot to be desired - make my previous stance on Fedor/Lesnar unsustainable. I’ve given Fedor the edge in that fight. I can’t anymore. I will stick to my previous stance that Lesnar is not the #1 heavyweight unless and until he defends against Shane Carwin, but I will add an amendment - I will have the winner of that fight, whomever it may be, at #1. I believe Carwin and Lesnar present similar punching power and size to Rogers, which are clearly enough to damage and trouble Fedor, while filling in the gaps (cardio and wrestling acumen) that Fedor exploited to win. I now pick Lesnar and Carwin over Fedor, and whenever that fight happens, the winner knocks Fedor to #2… assuming, of course, that Overeem hasn’t done it already (huge size, better striking than Rogers and better cardio could make up for the grappling mismatch - and I don’t even have Alistair in my top ten).

And if Cain beats Nog, I’ll give him the edge, too.

Update: Here’s a little something for everyone that disagrees with me.

http://i34.tinypic.com/21eh6x.gif

[oligarchy]

Brilliant insight, ass cheeks.

Whatever, you fucking twat. Hey Rich Franklin! Look at my camera and say something fucking retarded. LOL.

[oligarchy]

Funny how people here are so impressed with him beating Rogers, when not even a few weeks ago, most people were making fun of Rogers as an opponent. Now, Fedor won and everyone wants to sing his praises. Some short-term memory loss going on in here.

[dbreiden83080]

For people who don't get the comments:

Fedor is small for a HW. Rogers was able to control him in the clinch, sweep him, and didn't fair as bad as most people would have thought. Fedor's Sambo strengths didn't show, I'm afraid. Lesnar is BIGGERthan Rogers. He weighs in AT 265, after cutting weight. He is also stronger, faster, etc. He may not have as many fights, but he's already fought BETTER competition and dominated the fights he has won. So, uh, yeah.

UPDATE: http://www.fightlinker.com/


Brock Lesnar will smoke Fedor Emelianenko
November 8, 2009 – 1:32 am by subo

There, I said it.

This is not to take away from Fedor’s win over Brett Rogers tonight. The Grim acquitted himself exactly as one would expect a top ten heavyweight - he landed the first punch and drew blood, swept Fedor from the bottom (!) and dropped some pretty decent punches from guard. However, it appeared that Roger’s cardio began to fail him during the first round, and despite holding his own on the feet, in the clinch and, yes, on the ground against The Last Emperor, he was caught with a vicious punch while throwing a hook from below his nipples. Fedor was in trouble a couple of times, caught Rogers with some haymakers that didn’t finish the fight, and was able to cinch his second straight stoppage.

This fight, however, demonstrates a couple of reasons why Fedor chose to sign with Strikeforce. The bones in Fedor’s face may well be made of adamantium, but the skin covering them is more akin to tissue paper or cut-rate condoms (cheap guys will know what I’m talking about here) - there is no doubt in my mind that Rogers, had he elbows on the ground at his disposal (banned in Strikeforce, in direct contradiction to the Unified Rules), would have bloodied the cham… oh wait, he’s still not the Strikeforce champion, but he did keep the WAMMA trinket (did that thing make the air? If so, I mercifully missed it)… even more than he did. And with a little more cardio, maybe Rogers reclaims his top position after escaping the arm bar, and who knows?

What else did we learn? That Fedor is a tiny, tiny heavyweight. He is one half inch taller and about five pounds lighter than Pat Barry. His vaunted Sambo was enough to keep Rogers off balance, but I was very, very surprised by how well The Grim handled himself in the clinch. Rogers, at 6′4 and 262 pounds, represents the new breed and size of heavyweight contenders, exemplified by the oft-delayed but still upcoming Shane Carwin/Brock Lesnar title fight. With a style described as ‘boxing/Muay Thai’ by the CBS graphics department and a history of simply banging his way to victory, Rogers was able to, for a near if not outright majority of the fight, dictate where the action took place. If he had a wrestling background, one imagines he would have been able to clinch and take down Fedor at will.

These three facts - cardio is a necessity at the upper echelons of MMA, Fedor is impossibly small at heavyweight and Grimm’s grappling, while sufficient, left a lot to be desired - make my previous stance on Fedor/Lesnar unsustainable. I’ve given Fedor the edge in that fight. I can’t anymore. I will stick to my previous stance that Lesnar is not the #1 heavyweight unless and until he defends against Shane Carwin, but I will add an amendment - I will have the winner of that fight, whomever it may be, at #1. I believe Carwin and Lesnar present similar punching power and size to Rogers, which are clearly enough to damage and trouble Fedor, while filling in the gaps (cardio and wrestling acumen) that Fedor exploited to win. I now pick Lesnar and Carwin over Fedor, and whenever that fight happens, the winner knocks Fedor to #2… assuming, of course, that Overeem hasn’t done it already (huge size, better striking than Rogers and better cardio could make up for the grappling mismatch - and I don’t even have Alistair in my top ten).

And if Cain beats Nog, I’ll give him the edge, too.

Update: Here’s a little something for everyone that disagrees with me.

http://i34.tinypic.com/21eh6x.gif

Don't agree with all of this but it sure is well thought out and funny.. :lol

[CubanSucks]

Awesome card, imo. Fedor is a fucking stud, I love him. I was impressed with Rogers and was about to pronounce myself a fan, until... he opened his stupid ass mouth. Way to make a compete ass fuck out of yourself. Way to be an ungrateful douche loser. IF you get a rematch, I hope Fedor breaks your arm off and jams it up ypur cram hole, dick wad.

What a buffoon.

Could someone PLEASE tell me what he did post fight?!?!?!

[Blackjack]

Say what you want.. Gus Johnson is better than Mike Goldberg.

I can't stand Goldberg and his forced voice but at least he's a legitimate fan and has a decent comprehension.

Both D-Bags, though..


Could someone PLEASE tell me what he did post fight?!?!?!

He was pretty emotional and at the verge of tears at first but then became indignant and a bit of a brat -- basically saying the reason he lost was not trusting in himself and that it'd be a completely different outcome in a rematch.

It wasn't all that bad.

The guy just got KTFO for the first time and he obviously was pretty raw emotionally after; his titties were still spectacular, though.:tu

[polandprzem]

Could someone PLEASE tell me what he did post fight?!?!?!

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[polandprzem]

btw after every opponent many ppl were saying how bad Fedor was and how many weaknesses he has. Still Fedor was winning
Hunto controlled him on the ground and almost submited, almost cause Fedor submited him.
Same with Choi.

Sylvia would cause that Fedor would notb have adventage standing - Fedor dropped him.

Arlovski was faster and better techinician in the standup. Fedor shut him off.

Rogers is big and was controlling and bulking Fedor - fedor put him away.


There was no danger losing that fight in any moment that's what Fedor said.

Rogers swept Fedor only when Fedor went for a sub.


Though as I've said before - dynamic and with wrestling background Lesnar would be the worst opponent for Fedor.

And wow fatty lhw is beating elite hw's all his career.

[oligarchy]

btw after every opponent many ppl were saying how bad Fedor was and how many weaknesses he has. Still Fedor was winning
Hunto controlled him on the ground and almost submited, almost cause Fedor submited him.
Same with Choi.

Sylvia would cause that Fedor would notb have adventage standing - Fedor dropped him.

Arlovski was faster and better techinician in the standup. Fedor shut him off.

Rogers is big and was controlling and bulking Fedor - fedor put him away.


There was no danger losing that fight in any moment that's what Fedor said.

Rogers swept Fedor only when Fedor went for a sub.


Though as I've said before - dynamic and with wrestling background Lesnar would be the worst opponent for Fedor.

And wow fatty lhw is beating elite hw's all his career.

Really? All the Elite? Choi is elite, Rogers is elite? The problem was Rogers was already gassing at the end of the first. Go look at Rogers' record. He hasn't made it past the 2 minute mark of the 2nd round of any fight.

Look at who Fedor has fought and tell me who the elite opponents are, and not people who were cast-outs of other orgs:

Result Opponent Method Event Title Date Round Time


Win Brett Rogers TKO (Punches) Strikeforce / M-1 Global - Fedor vs. Rogers 11/7/2009 2 1:48
Win Andrei Arlovski KO (Punch) Affliction - Day of Reckoning 1/24/2009 1 3:14
Win Tim Sylvia Submission (Rear-Naked Choke) Affliction - Banned 7/19/2008 1 0:36
Win Hong Man Choi Submission (Armbar) Yarennoka - New Years Eve 2007 12/31/2007 1 1:54
Win Matt Lindland Submission (Armbar) Bodog Fight - Clash of the Nations 4/14/2007 1 2:58
Win Mark Hunt Submission (Kimura) PRIDE - Shockwave 2006 12/31/2006 1 8:16
Win Mark Coleman Submission (Armbar) PRIDE 32 - The Real Deal 10/21/2006 2 1:15
Win Wagner da Conceicao Martins Submission (Punches) PRIDE - Shockwave 2005 12/31/2005 1 0:26
Win Mirko Filipovic Decision (Unaminous) PRIDE - Final Conflict 2005 8/28/2005 3 5:00
Win Tsuyoshi Kosaka TKO (Doctor Stoppage) PRIDE - Bushido 6 4/3/2005 1 10:00
Win Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira Decision (Unanimous) PRIDE - Shockwave 2004 12/31/2004 3 5:00
NC Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira No Contest - Accidental Cut PRIDE - Final Conflict 2004 8/15/2004 1 3:52
Win Naoya Ogawa Submission (Armbar) PRIDE - Final Conflict 2004 8/15/2004 1 0:54
Win Kevin Randleman Submission (Kimura) PRIDE - Critical Countdown 2004 6/20/2004 1 1:33
Win Mark Coleman Submission (Armbar) PRIDE - Total Elimination 2004 4/25/2004 1 2:11
Win Yuji Nagata TKO (Punches) Inoki Bom-Ba-Ye 2003 - Inoki Festival 12/31/2003 1 1:02
Win Gary Goodridge TKO (Soccer Kicks and Punches) PRIDE - Total Elimination 2003 8/10/2003 1 1:09
Win Kazuyuki Fujita Submission (Rear Naked Choke) PRIDE 26 - Bad to the Bone 6/8/2003 1 4:17
Win Egidijus Valavicius Submission (Kimura) Rings Lithuania - Bushido Rings 7: Adrenalinas 4/5/2003 2 1:13
Win Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira Decision (Unanimous) PRIDE 25 - Body Blow 3/16/2003 3 5:00
Win Heath Herring TKO (Cut) PRIDE 23 - Championship Chaos 2 11/24/2002 1 10:00
Win Semmy Schilt Decision (Unanimous) PRIDE 21 - Demolition 6/23/2002 3 5:00
Win Chris Haseman TKO (Punches) Rings - World Title Series Grand Final 2/15/2002 1 2:50
Win Lee Hasdell Submission (Guillotine Choke) Rings - World Title Series 5 12/21/2001 1 4:10
Win Ryushi Yanagisawa Decision (Unanimous) Rings - World Title Series 4 10/20/2001 3 5:00
Win Renato Sobral Decision (Unanimous) Rings - 10th Anniversary 8/11/2001 2 5:00
Win Kerry Schall Submission (Armbar) Rings - World Title Series 1 4/20/2001 1 1:47
Win Mihail Apostolov Submission (Rear Naked Choke) Rings Russia - Russia vs Bulgaria 4/6/2001 1 1:03
Loss Tsuyoshi Kosaka TKO (Cut) Rings - King of Kings 2000 Block B 12/22/2000 1 0:17
Win Ricardo Arona Decision (Unanimous) Rings - King of Kings 2000 Block B 12/22/2000 3 5:00
Win Hiroya Takada KO (Punches) Rings - Battle Genesis Vol. 6 9/5/2000 1 0:12
Win Levon Lagvilava Submission (Rear-Naked Choke) Rings - Russia vs Georgia 8/16/2000 1 7:24
Win Martin Lazarov Submission (Guillotine Choke) Rings Russia - Russia vs. Bulgaria 5/21/2000 1 2:24

[dbreiden83080]

Leonard is gearing up for a long reply..

[ATRAIN]

Really? All the Elite? Choi is elite, Rogers is elite? The problem was Rogers was already gassing at the end of the first. Go look at Rogers' record. He hasn't made it past the 2 minute mark of the 2nd round of any fight.

Look at who Fedor has fought and tell me who the elite opponents are, and not people who were cast-outs of other orgs:

Result Opponent Method Event Title Date Round Time


Win Brett Rogers TKO (Punches) Strikeforce / M-1 Global - Fedor vs. Rogers 11/7/2009 2 1:48
Win Andrei Arlovski KO (Punch) Affliction - Day of Reckoning 1/24/2009 1 3:14
Win Tim Sylvia Submission (Rear-Naked Choke) Affliction - Banned 7/19/2008 1 0:36
Win Hong Man Choi Submission (Armbar) Yarennoka - New Years Eve 2007 12/31/2007 1 1:54
Win Matt Lindland Submission (Armbar) Bodog Fight - Clash of the Nations 4/14/2007 1 2:58
Win Mark Hunt Submission (Kimura) PRIDE - Shockwave 2006 12/31/2006 1 8:16
Win Mark Coleman Submission (Armbar) PRIDE 32 - The Real Deal 10/21/2006 2 1:15
Win Wagner da Conceicao Martins Submission (Punches) PRIDE - Shockwave 2005 12/31/2005 1 0:26
Win Mirko Filipovic Decision (Unaminous) PRIDE - Final Conflict 2005 8/28/2005 3 5:00
Win Tsuyoshi Kosaka TKO (Doctor Stoppage) PRIDE - Bushido 6 4/3/2005 1 10:00
Win Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira Decision (Unanimous) PRIDE - Shockwave 2004 12/31/2004 3 5:00
NC Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira No Contest - Accidental Cut PRIDE - Final Conflict 2004 8/15/2004 1 3:52
Win Naoya Ogawa Submission (Armbar) PRIDE - Final Conflict 2004 8/15/2004 1 0:54
Win Kevin Randleman Submission (Kimura) PRIDE - Critical Countdown 2004 6/20/2004 1 1:33
Win Mark Coleman Submission (Armbar) PRIDE - Total Elimination 2004 4/25/2004 1 2:11
Win Yuji Nagata TKO (Punches) Inoki Bom-Ba-Ye 2003 - Inoki Festival 12/31/2003 1 1:02
Win Gary Goodridge TKO (Soccer Kicks and Punches) PRIDE - Total Elimination 2003 8/10/2003 1 1:09
Win Kazuyuki Fujita Submission (Rear Naked Choke) PRIDE 26 - Bad to the Bone 6/8/2003 1 4:17
Win Egidijus Valavicius Submission (Kimura) Rings Lithuania - Bushido Rings 7: Adrenalinas 4/5/2003 2 1:13
Win Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira Decision (Unanimous) PRIDE 25 - Body Blow 3/16/2003 3 5:00
Win Heath Herring TKO (Cut) PRIDE 23 - Championship Chaos 2 11/24/2002 1 10:00
Win Semmy Schilt Decision (Unanimous) PRIDE 21 - Demolition 6/23/2002 3 5:00
Win Chris Haseman TKO (Punches) Rings - World Title Series Grand Final 2/15/2002 1 2:50
Win Lee Hasdell Submission (Guillotine Choke) Rings - World Title Series 5 12/21/2001 1 4:10
Win Ryushi Yanagisawa Decision (Unanimous) Rings - World Title Series 4 10/20/2001 3 5:00
Win Renato Sobral Decision (Unanimous) Rings - 10th Anniversary 8/11/2001 2 5:00
Win Kerry Schall Submission (Armbar) Rings - World Title Series 1 4/20/2001 1 1:47
Win Mihail Apostolov Submission (Rear Naked Choke) Rings Russia - Russia vs Bulgaria 4/6/2001 1 1:03
Loss Tsuyoshi Kosaka TKO (Cut) Rings - King of Kings 2000 Block B 12/22/2000 1 0:17
Win Ricardo Arona Decision (Unanimous) Rings - King of Kings 2000 Block B 12/22/2000 3 5:00
Win Hiroya Takada KO (Punches) Rings - Battle Genesis Vol. 6 9/5/2000 1 0:12
Win Levon Lagvilava Submission (Rear-Naked Choke) Rings - Russia vs Georgia 8/16/2000 1 7:24
Win Martin Lazarov Submission (Guillotine Choke) Rings Russia - Russia vs. Bulgaria 5/21/2000 1 2:24





LOL Id say thats a half and half decent resume. He has fought a lot of scrubs but has won some legit fights though.

[dbreiden83080]

Fedor is 33 and he is now racking up injuries when he fights which is harder to recover from since the common one seems to be breaking the same hand. His chance to secure his all time greatness is gone unless he goes to the UFC in the next year or so and dominates there.. It's doubtful that will ever happen.. There is nobody for him in SF to fight that is really credible, past another fight with Rogers and Overeem. And i don't really think much of Overeem, neither does the public..

[oligarchy]

Fedor is 33 and he is now racking up injuries when he fights which is harder to recover from since the common one seems to be breaking the same hand. His chance to secure his all time greatness is gone unless he goes to the UFC in the next year or so and dominates there.. It's doubtful that will ever happen.. There is nobody for him in SF to fight that is really credible, past another fight with Rogers and Overeem. And i don't really think much of Overeem, neither does the public..

I concur. I know I'm probably hyper-critical, but I just think you should be fighting the best of RIGHT now -- not the best of last year, the best of three years ago, the best of what's available, or the best freak.

Rogers might be good one day, but not now and not with that cardio. Overeem is in Japan juicin' it up, er. 'working out hard' to win some fights.

[desflood]

Both Sylvia and Arlovski were considered by many to be " currently one of the best" when he fought them.

That being said, Fedor's body is breaking down. 33 isn't old, unless you're an athlete. He shouldn't push his luck much longer.

[oligarchy]

Do you believe they were currently "one of the best" when they fought Fedor?

[dbreiden83080]

Do you believe they were currently "one of the best" when they fought Fedor?

I think Nog and Cro Cop were among the best of all time when he fought and beat them. But that is the problem with Fedor's career. It will likely be seen in 2 parts. The great Fedor of Pride and the one that has been fighting in tiny shows and much lesser fighters the 2nd half of his career. Yes not everyone he fought in Pride was great but they sure are better than the list of cans he's got lined up in SF..

[dbreiden83080]

Both Sylvia and Arlovski were considered by many to be " currently one of the best" when he fought them.

That being said, Fedor's body is breaking down. 33 isn't old, unless you're an athlete. He shouldn't push his luck much longer.

Slyvia, is a good fighter was always a good fighter in the UFC but he was never great. Any man that's got a beat up Snowman Monson in front of him for 5 rds and can't finish isn't a great HW in my eyes..

[oligarchy]

I think Nog and Cro Cop were among the best of all time when he fought and beat them. But that is the problem with Fedor's career. It will likely be seen in 2 parts. The great Fedor of Pride and the one that has been fighting in tiny shows and much lesser fighters the 2nd half of his career. Yes not everyone he fought in Pride was great but they sure are better than the list of cans he's got lined up in SF..

The problem I have with that sentiment, is that I just don't see that they suddenly dropped skill when they moved over to the UFC and are now shells of their former selves with less than 2 years between the transitions over to the different orgs. I didn't hear people say they were better in Pride and "you can tell they are on the downside of their careers" until after they lost. That's the problem I have with that. I think they are / were both good. Fedor is a toss-up though, was he just the best of the also-rans, or was he really that good? It's going to be too late now to even know. If he comes over the UFC in one year and loses. You already know the excuse.. "they should have fought in 2005, etc."

[desflood]

Do you believe they were currently "one of the best" when they fought Fedor?
Andre was one of the best, but his chin betrays him time and time again. Tim wasn't as skillful as some of the others, but his size and determination have taken him a long way.

I do believe that the string of "lower-level" opponents isn't entirely of his choosing. If you recall, Barnett screwed all of us out of a great fight :lol I also think that Fedor's management plays an even larger part than most of us suspect.

[dbreiden83080]

The problem I have with that sentiment, is that I just don't see that they suddenly dropped skill when they moved over to the UFC and are now shells of their former selves with less than 2 years between the transitions over to the different orgs. I didn't hear people say they were better in Pride and "you can tell they are on the downside of their careers" until after they lost. That's the problem I have with that. I think they are / were both good. Fedor is a toss-up though, was he just the best of the also-rans, or was he really that good? It's going to be too late now to even know. If he comes over the UFC in one year and loses. You already know the excuse.. "they should have fought in 2005, etc."

Some good points made. I feel from what i have seen out of Fedor in his last few fights that he would beat basically all of the UFC heavies with the exception of Brock, Carwin and Cain. Not saying he has no shot to beat them but i have doubts given their skill-set and size, especially Brock and Carwin. We know he can beat Nog, he'd kill Randy, Kongo, Gonzaga and all those guys in the middle tier of the division. Again that is just my opinion but Fedor is the one that leaves it all to doubt and allows his career to be disected like this. When Pride went under the UFC tried to sign him, he declined. When Affliction went under they tried again with reportedly an even better offer, and it went nowhere. What are you gonna do, it's his fault people look at his career like this..

[CubanSucks]

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THANK YOU!



What a little baby! He reminds me of a 6 yr old who just got beat up by his big brother. There is no excuse for that bitchiness. Fedor should be the easiest guy to lose to considering how humble he is after the fight. WHAT A BITCH

[dallaskd]

Both Sylvia and Arlovski were considered by many to be " currently one of the best" when he fought them.

That being said, Fedor's body is breaking down. 33 isn't old, unless you're an athlete. He shouldn't push his luck much longer.

Lesnar is 32..

[dbreiden83080]

Lesnar is 32..

Young 32 for MMA, not a lot of injuries or a lot of fights and he smartly got out of pro-wrestling before he was broken down from it.

[polandprzem]

Well lesnar resume is way better huh?

You people make me laugh. Who Lesnar fought? The best?
43 randy?
top10 Mir?
Herring? lol
That's all that's it?
Carwin fight gonna happen? Who did carwin won with? Gonzaga? loltz
Cain? He was good enough for Rothwell and Kongo. Best of the best.
How can you question Fedors greatness is beyond me. I guess you've got blinded by Dana White.

[polandprzem]

I forgot about Min-Soo Kim

I apologize - Lesnar is the greatest

[tvdij]

Funny how people here are so impressed with him beating Rogers, when not even a few weeks ago, most people were making fun of Rogers as an opponent. Now, Fedor won and everyone wants to sing his praises. Some short-term memory loss going on in here.

Short-term memory for you too. Who has Lesnar beaten that was so great? Herring, whom Fedor beat in his prime and stopped? Mir, who is 4-3 in his last 7 fights. Mir, who has been stopped from his back twice prior by Pe De Pano and Ian Freeman (and starched by Vera). 46-year-old Randy Couture, who was coming off over a year layoff (Randy with a crapload of losses). Not to mention some people say Randy won the first round against Lesnar.

People are impressed with the fact that Fedor hasn't had a legit loss in his whole career. Being 30-1 while fighting at a high level is a lot more impressive than being 4-1 and fighting at a high level.

Also, Carwin is no more accomplished in MMA than Rogers. Both have around 10 wins, and both had only beat 1 big name opponent. Rogers beat Arlovski in 22 seconds, and Carwin almost got KTFO by Gonzaga before KO'in him instead.

Lesnar should be chasing Fedor and begging him for a title shot, Fedor shouldn't have to chase anybody. He's the most accomplished heavyweight in MMA other than Nogueira (whom he beat twice).

[desflood]

Dana's newest take on Fedor:

"Fedor just got his face smashed in by Brett Rogers. Do you know what Brock or Frank Mir and Cain Velasquez would do to Brett Rogers?" White said. "It's time to bring this guy [Fedor] in, to see Brock Lesnar smash his head."









FRANK MIR? REALLY??

:lmao

[dbreiden83080]

Dana's newest take on Fedor:

"Fedor just got his face smashed in by Brett Rogers. Do you know what Brock or Frank Mir and Cain Velasquez would do to Brett Rogers?" White said. "It's time to bring this guy [Fedor] in, to see Brock Lesnar smash his head."









FRANK MIR? REALLY??

:lmao

Dana should ease off on Brock until he gets well and back fighting..

[oligarchy]

Short-term memory for you too. Who has Lesnar beaten that was so great? Herring, whom Fedor beat in his prime and stopped? Mir, who is 4-3 in his last 7 fights. Mir, who has been stopped from his back twice prior by Pe De Pano and Ian Freeman (and starched by Vera). 46-year-old Randy Couture, who was coming off over a year layoff (Randy with a crapload of losses). Not to mention some people say Randy won the first round against Lesnar.

People are impressed with the fact that Fedor hasn't had a legit loss in his whole career. Being 30-1 while fighting at a high level is a lot more impressive than being 4-1 and fighting at a high level.

Also, Carwin is no more accomplished in MMA than Rogers. Both have around 10 wins, and both had only beat 1 big name opponent. Rogers beat Arlovski in 22 seconds, and Carwin almost got KTFO by Gonzaga before KO'in him instead.

Lesnar should be chasing Fedor and begging him for a title shot, Fedor shouldn't have to chase anybody. He's the most accomplished heavyweight in MMA other than Nogueira (whom he beat twice).

How do I have short-term memory loss? Why don't you read the statements before trying to jump in conversations. I know Lesnar's record and who he's fought. I never said I didn't, nor did I say he accomplished anything greater than Fedor, nor did I say it had any relevance to any point I made. Hi! Welcome to reading comprehension, glad you didn't go to high school. So, get your facts straight. I said, and you can read on the other page the exact quote, that Lesnar would smash Fedor. Do I need to say that he has 40 fucking fights in order to believe that he would? No, I can watch a fat and out-of-shape Rogers control Fedor and sweep him, etc. If you don't agree, good for you. That's your opinion. Lesnar is too big and strong, and I bet he can last more than a round of doing nothing to get winded like Rogers.

I also love that Lesnar should chase Fedor for a fight. If Fedor doesn't fight Lesnar, oh well -- he doesn't get his second loss. Too bad. I wouldn't want to go out a loser either. I'd rather fight unknowns like Rogers and steroid fucking retards like Overeem. That's the difference between Rogers and Carwin. They may have fought similar people, but one is known and the other isn't. It's the same way in boxing you poor idiot. It's your promoter, your style, your look, etc. The UFC is where it is at. He legacy is cemented in hardcore fans' minds, but that is about it. If you can't understand the simple truths in life, I feel sorry for you.

[oligarchy]

Well lesnar resume is way better huh?

You people make me laugh. Who Lesnar fought? The best?
43 randy?
top10 Mir?
Herring? lol
That's all that's it?
Carwin fight gonna happen? Who did carwin won with? Gonzaga? loltz
Cain? He was good enough for Rothwell and Kongo. Best of the best.
How can you question Fedors greatness is beyond me. I guess you've got blinded by Dana White.

Who said Lesnar's resume is better in this thread? No ONE. Read. Lesnar is the fucking champion of the UFC. I'm sorry if you don't understand why the fight should happen.

Oh I see. Fedor shouldn't fight anyone, anymore. Because, who has anyone else fought that even comapres to Fedor? I got you!

I mean why fight the guys that everyone knows to be the top guys that are currently known to the masses. Let Fedor fight people nobody knows!

That is such a good idea. Please, come up with some more good ideas. I like these! You're smart.

[Evan]

I think the number of viewers should also be guessed. Fedor on primtime.. how many views? 500k?

You were pretty close...

"The Strikeforce headliner and final fight of CBS' fourth over-the-air MMA broadcast drew 5.46 million viewers between 11:00 and 11:15 p.m., according to CBS figures released Tuesday."

:toast

[cool cat]

I respect Fedor and what he has done. His accomplishments are great and he is one of the greatest heavyweight fighters of all time.

Which is why I don’t know what to think about his fight against Rogers? I’m I supposed to be impressed? I look at Fedor’s record and I see, at the most, 10 good quality victories but I also see 20 cans.

I guess that’s why I respect guys like Couture more. His record is 16-10, it’s not mind blowing awesome but look at his last 20 fights or so and the weakest opponent is Mike Van Arsdale. Outside of Mike everyone was either the champion or a contender to be champion.

Fedor on the other hand after he won the pride championship in 2003 fought 12 more times in pride and only defended his belt 3 times!

[oligarchy]

You were pretty close...

"The Strikeforce headliner and final fight of CBS' fourth over-the-air MMA broadcast drew 5.46 million viewers between 11:00 and 11:15 p.m., according to CBS figures released Tuesday."

:toast

Let me know if a Fedor led PPV has 1 million buys, let alone greater than 300k.

Oh..
EliteXC: Primetime Ratings

9 p.m. – Viewers: 3.38m
9:30 p.m. – Viewers: 3.66m
10 p.m. – Viewers: 4.68m
10:30 p.m. – Viewers: 5.53m
11 p.m. – Viewers: 5.84m
11:30 p.m. – Viewers: 6.51m

:toast

[Kobulingam]

Dana's newest take on Fedor:

"Fedor just got his face smashed in by Brett Rogers. Do you know what Brock or Frank Mir and Cain Velasquez would do to Brett Rogers?"

They wouldnt do any better if they got their nose broken at the start of the fight and had trouble breathing for the rest of fight. People dont realize that the broken nose is what made that fight seem more competitive than it would have been. Having to breathe through your mouth while blood is filling your nasal passages and dripping down your throat is tough... just as Gonzaga during Couture fight. Fedor was uncomfortable in first round because of the bleeding... didnt any notice Fedor playing with the cut while he was on his back (sort of forgetting about Rogers for a while).. this is what preceded to that GnP flurry by Rogers.

[Evan]

Joe Rogan

Edited: 11/10/09 9:23 PM
Member Since: 1/1/01
Posts: 4372

I made a short twitter message about the Fedor Rogers fight, and I got a lot of feedback from it, so I thought I should elaborate when I got some free time.
What I said in the message was that I thought Fedor got exposed a bit.
What was going through my mind after the fight before I wrote that tweet, was that I was surprised that Rogers was able to easily reverse Fedor, despite the fact that he's not a very experienced grappler. The conventional wisdom was that if Fedor could get the fight to the ground he would be able to finish it quickly, but obviously that wasn't the case.
Rogers wasn't able to hold Fedor down and only landed a few clean shots, but I couldn't help wonder what Lesnar would have been able to do with that position.

I think part of Rogers' success there lays in that he's very powerful and athletic, and also that he's just such a huge guy. At 230lbs I absolutely believe that Fedor is the very best in the world, but at 265 I'm not sure if that weight difference is not too much of a disadvantage. For sure he's one of the top 3 pound for pound fighters in the world, and determining who is number 1 is really just a matter of opinion and speculation. The truly amazing thing about Fedor is that he has gone through his career as a heavyweight undefeated except for one cut, yet he could easily fight at 205 or possibly even at 185 if he really wanted to get crazy. That just shows you what a special fighter he is.
At heavyweight when guys like Lesnar or Rogers get up as big as 265 at the weigh in and maybe 20lbs over that during fight time I really wonder if these gigantic super athletic guys with better grappling like Brock might be able to exploit that size advantage where Rogers couldn't.

I've always been, and continue to be a huge fan of Fedor. I love his style, I love his no frills approach to training, and I love his emotionless approach to combat.
Objectively though, I think there are some exploitable holes in his striking that we saw a little in the Arlovski fight, and the size disadvantage he has against the best big men might be a big problem if they were to meet as well.
He's not perfect, but he sure is fun as hell to watch.

When I think about the best pound for pound fighters in the sport I think of Anderson, GSP, Fedor and BJ. The guy who has been impressing me the most lately is really GSP for his ability to neutralize really dangerous guys like Thiago Alves and Jon Fitch. Sure, he's made mistakes and lost in the past, but I think that might be one of the things that make him so good. He's learned from his mistakes and adjusted and improved. His ability to implement the perfect game plan is the best, in my opinion.
Anderson impresses me the most with his spectacular finishes, and his beautiful technical striking. With Fedor it's his ability to rag doll bigger guys like Rogers and land brutal bombs on guys like Arlovski, Tim and Brett and just the sheer savagery of his aggression.

Really I would love to see Fedor fight anyone in the UFC, but if I had my choice I would want to see him fight Anderson over Brock. I think they are much closer in weight, and I think it could be an incredible fight.

The UFC pays me, and it's an honor to work for them, but I am and always will be a fan of all mixed martial arts. I watch it all, including all the HDNET fights, K-1, boxing, etc.
I have never been told to alter my opinions, and if it comes out of my mouth whether you agree with it or not, it's my opinion and not the talking points of my employers. There was a lot of talk after my twitter post, and I just wanted to clear things up as much as possible.
A lot can be lost in 140 characters. In the future I'll try to avoid confusing comments like that without elaborating on what I meant.

http://www.mixedmartialarts.com/?go=forum.posts&thread=1550771&forum=1&page=1&pc=23

[dallaskd]

I like Rogan and id warm up to him a lot more when he finally learns how to wear a fucking suit and realizes no one wants to see his chest hair.

[Blackjack]

^ ^ :lol

Rogan's solid. :tu

Has anyone heard if that Rogan-Snipes fight is actually gonna happen?

[polandprzem]

:blah

yea all you do here on this board is to insult people, call them idiots and throw bullshit statments.

nice


as other p4p fighters are fighting the guys close to their weight Fedor also must to face lbs difference.
Also when you look at the fight again it seems like Fedor was in controll more then you saw it at the first time.

btw. It's a big IF thinking that lesnar would have fedor in the same position as Rogers had. all in all fedor knew what he can let go. and it was always the case in his fights

[polandprzem]

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oligarchy speach

[oligarchy]

yea all you do here on this board is to insult people, call them idiots and throw bullshit statments.

nice


as other p4p fighters are fighting the guys close to their weight Fedor also must to face lbs difference.
Also when you look at the fight again it seems like Fedor was in controll more then you saw it at the first time.

btw. It's a big IF thinking that lesnar would have fedor in the same position as Rogers had. all in all fedor knew what he can let go. and it was always the case in his fights

You just can't read fucking english. I didn't say shit about Lesnar's record, which you brought up like I said it. Learn to fucking read. I don't give a shit if you got your panties in a wad.

Bullshit statements? I say my opinion, just like you say yours, but I don't interject statements that you didn't make. I didn't make up some statement to be sarcastic about that you didn't make, which you did by pretending I say Lesnar's record is impressive and the guy's he has fought. If you don't agree with the OPINION doesn't make it a bullshit statement.

Yeah.. a real big IF that Lesnar could get Fedor down. Thanks.

[Technique]

Actually your statements are pretty retarded. Fedor eats too many cupcakes to lower his weight class? Most ignorant statement I've heard about Fedor in 2009. Good job bro.

[dbreiden83080]

Lesnar should be chasing Fedor and begging him for a title shot, Fedor shouldn't have to chase anybody. He's the most accomplished heavyweight in MMA other than Nogueira (whom he beat twice).

I'm sorry i was under the impression the UFC is the best MMA organization in the world. So why would the supposed best MMA fighter in the world not be fighting there and need other fighters that are in the best MMA company to chase him?? If you are the best you fight the best your whole career. Not half your career or 70% of your career, your whole career.. The best heavies in the world are clearly in the UFC.. But Fedor isn't..

[polandprzem]

I'm sorry i was under the impression the UFC is the best MMA organization in the world. So why would the supposed best MMA fighter in the world not be fighting there and need other fighters that are in the best MMA company to chase him?? If you are the best you fight the best your whole career. Not half your career or 70% of your career, your whole career.. The best heavies in the world are clearly in the UFC.. But Fedor isn't..

They weren't two years ago and now everybody making a big deal that there are 2 or 3 HWs in the ufc Fedor would have major problems with :rolleyes

[polandprzem]

For the record of course i would love to have fedor fight in the UFC as I was talking in the past but whatever. He still have 2 fights under m-1 promotion. i wonder what they can figure out?

[polandprzem]

http://www.mixedmartialarts.com/mma.cfm?go=news.detail&gid=198826

...Jerry Millen, M-1 vice president, said Emelianenko is free to fight Lesnar if UFC drops its demands regarding co-promotion. Millen said the more-experienced Emelianenko would "smash" Lesnar, a former college wrestling champion and World Wrestling Entertainment performer whose "ranking looks manufactured."

Added Millen: "Fedor's not ducking anybody. If UFC wants to prove it has the best fighters, step up and co-promote. Fedor just wants to be treated fairly. The UFC business model is to own the souls of their fighters. Fedor doesn't have to do that, and if the fans scream loudly enough, we can make that happen."...

[dbreiden83080]

They weren't two years ago and now everybody making a big deal that there are 2 or 3 HWs in the ufc Fedor would have major problems with :rolleyes

Yes they were 2 years ago, everyone was saying Fedor needed to come to the UFC after Pride was bought by them and that was about 3 years ago.. There's nobody for him to fight in SF at all.. That is the point. Where will he get the most pub? The UFC. Where will he get the biggest fights? The UFC. Where will he secure his legacy? The UFC.

[dbreiden83080]

http://www.mixedmartialarts.com/mma.cfm?go=news.detail&gid=198826

...Jerry Millen, M-1 vice president, said Emelianenko is free to fight Lesnar if UFC drops its demands regarding co-promotion. Millen said the more-experienced Emelianenko would "smash" Lesnar, a former college wrestling champion and World Wrestling Entertainment performer whose "ranking looks manufactured."

Added Millen: "Fedor's not ducking anybody. If UFC wants to prove it has the best fighters, step up and co-promote. Fedor just wants to be treated fairly. The UFC business model is to own the souls of their fighters. Fedor doesn't have to do that, and if the fans scream loudly enough, we can make that happen."...

Yes lets have M1 a non-existant mickey mouse operation come in and dictate the terms of a Fedor fight and take money from the UFC they don't deserve so the UFC can put on a fight with Fedor, who has never made any company any money.. Great idea.. :lol

[dbreiden83080]

For the record of course i would love to have fedor fight in the UFC as I was talking in the past but whatever. He still have 2 fights under m-1 promotion. i wonder what they can figure out?

UFC will never co-promote ever and they should not have too..

[oligarchy]

The Fedor comment was in jest. He has no reason to drop weight, unless he wants to prove to he's the best P4P fighter. Sorry if you Fedor lovers were offended. lulz.


http://www.mixedmartialarts.com/mma.cfm?go=news.detail&gid=198826

...Jerry Millen, M-1 vice president, said Emelianenko is free to fight Lesnar if UFC drops its demands regarding co-promotion. Millen said the more-experienced Emelianenko would "smash" Lesnar, a former college wrestling champion and World Wrestling Entertainment performer whose "ranking looks manufactured."

Added Millen: "Fedor's not ducking anybody. If UFC wants to prove it has the best fighters, step up and co-promote. Fedor just wants to be treated fairly. The UFC business model is to own the souls of their fighters. Fedor doesn't have to do that, and if the fans scream loudly enough, we can make that happen."...

If he really wanted to face Lensar, he'd drop the bullshit "ask" of co-promotion.

..and to the other comment. There is up and coming talent all the time, you don't necessarily have to fight for X number of years to be a contender, or top contender. 2 or 3 years, though, is definitely enough time for someone to make a case as a top contender.

[polandprzem]

Yes they were 2 years ago, everyone was saying Fedor needed to come to the UFC after Pride was bought by them and that was about 3 years ago.. There's nobody for him to fight in SF at all.. That is the point. Where will he get the most pub? The UFC. Where will he get the biggest fights? The UFC. Where will he secure his legacy? The UFC.


Yes lets have M1 a non-existant mickey mouse operation come in and dictate the terms of a Fedor fight and take money from the UFC they don't deserve so the UFC can put on a fight with Fedor, who has never made any company any money.. Great idea.. :lol


UFC will never co-promote ever and they should not have too..

I do agree with you here on almost every point


The one thing I do not agree is that he already secured his legacy

[dbreiden83080]

I do agree with you here on almost every point


The one thing I do not agree is that he already secured his legacy

How has he secured his legacy? From fights in 2005..

[dallaskd]

lol at this thread. Last year every fucking mma fan in the world wouldnt shut the fuck up about "The UFC's heavyweights fucking suck!!!!" "Affliction has the best HW's in the world!"

You throw in Lesnar and a beaner and suddenly the UFC is the cream of the crop of the HW division. news flash. Outside of about 5 HW's, all MMA HW's are pretty much average or suck a cock. Fedor doesnt need to chase Lesnar. hes the king of mma, no matter where he fights. Dude just needs to retire in his throne.

[dallaskd]

Yes they were 2 years ago, everyone was saying Fedor needed to come to the UFC after Pride was bought by them and that was about 3 years ago.. There's nobody for him to fight in SF at all.. That is the point. Where will he get the most pub? The UFC. Where will he get the biggest fights? The UFC. Where will he secure his legacy? The UFC.

LOL Fedor doesnt give two shits about his legacy or American publicity. Hes not GSP. If it was his decision he would probably be in the UFC imo.. but m-1 is stubborn and i dont think he really gives a fuck.


How has he secured his legacy? From fights in 2005..

You obviously didnt watch Pride...

Thats like saying Tom Brady needs to win another Super Bowl to secure his legacy because he hasnt won one since 2005..

[dbreiden83080]

"Affliction has the best HW's in the world!"

What walking retard said this??



Fedor doesnt need to chase Lesnar. hes the king of mma, no matter where he fights. Dude just needs to retire in his throne.

Fedor doesn't have to Chase brock but Brock sure as hell dsoesn't have to chase him either. He is fighting in the best MMA company with the best competition, not Fedor. And the UFC heavy class is very very good right now. Brock, Cain, Carwin, Kongo, Gonzaga, Mir, Nog, dos Santos etc.. That's a good class of fighters and yes i know he beat Nog down years ago but i would love to see him fight Brock, Shane, Cain, Mir and Kongo. He beats Kongo, Mir, and maybe Shane and Cain but still i want to see those fights. He has no fights in SF that mean anything.. Rogers, he beat so what's left is Overeem, if he ever feels like getting off the juice and coming back from Japan..

[dallaskd]

What walking retard said this??

There was a time when Affliction had Arlovski, Sylvia, Fedor, and Barnett.

I heard it everywhere including this forum.

[dbreiden83080]

Thats like saying Tom Brady needs to win another Super Bowl to secure his legacy because he hasnt won one since 2005..

I watched Pride and he was great there but some of the Pride guys that came to the UFC and fell apart hurt his record there big time. Cro-Cop gave him a hell of a fight, everyone said he'll come to the UFC and own the division? How'd that one work out?? Nog's been up and down at best in the UFC. And a bad comparison on your part. Everyone knows who Tom Brady is, Fedor here in the US really nobody knows who he is. So hardcore fans like you put him on a mountain and say he is untouchable, everyone else shrugs their shoulders..

[dbreiden83080]

There was a time when Affliction had Arlovski, Sylvia, Fedor, and Barnett.

I heard it everywhere including this forum.

Arlovski was inconsistant in the UFC and so was Tim, so i don't see how anyone could feel that way at all. Two so so heavies left the UFC and went elsewhere big deal.. They've both done nothing since leaving..

[dallaskd]

What walking retard said this??



Fedor doesn't have to Chase brock but Brock sure as hell dsoesn't have to chase him either. He is fighting in the best MMA company with the best competition, not Fedor. And the UFC heavy class is very very good right now. Brock, Cain, Carwin, Kongo, Gonzaga, Mir, Nog, dos Santos etc.. That's a good class of fighters and yes i know he beat Nog down years ago but i would love to see him fight Brock, Shane, Cain, Mir and Kongo. He beats Kongo, Mir, and maybe Shane and Cain but still i want to see those fights. He has no fights in SF that mean anything.. Rogers, he beat so what's left is Overeem, if he ever feels like getting off the juice and coming back from Japan..


Nog is the only one on that list with a legitimate resume. Kongo and Gonzaga beat a old shit stained version of Cro Cop. Mir.. has never beat anyone signifigant in his career. Lesnar, Cain, Carwin are all rising stars but neither have really yet to prove themselves. IMO you have to have 4-5 legitimate wins. Dont even bring up Dos Santos.. You would have put Rogers on the list if he was in the UFC.

[dallaskd]

Arlovski was inconsistant in the UFC and so was Tim, so i don't see how anyone could feel that way at all. Two so so heavies left the UFC and went elsewhere big deal.. They've both done nothing since leaving..

Right.. but both were considered "bad ass" in their early UFC days.. thats why im not sure why everyone is so sold on Cain and the whole crew.. Arlovski looked untouchable when he first hit the scene too.

[dbreiden83080]

Kongo and Gonzaga beat a old shit stained version of Cro Cop..

Right there is the problem with the Fedor Argument as Oligarchy has been saying.. You champion his Pride record with the * of guys like Nog and Mirko were at their best there so the UFC records mean nothing. Cro-Cop got his ass kicked in the UFC and that was seen as one of Fedor's big fights. Oligarchy is dead on with those points.. If Fedor was in the UFC it would not matter but he isn't so it does..

[dallaskd]

I watched Pride and he was great there but some of the Pride guys that came to the UFC and fell apart hurt his record there big time. Cro-Cop gave him a hell of a fight, everyone said he'll come to the UFC and own the division? How'd that one work out?? Nog's been up and down at best in the UFC. And a bad comparison on your part. Everyone knows who Tom Brady is, Fedor here in the US really nobody knows who he is. So hardcore fans like you put him on a mountain and say he is untouchable, everyone else shrugs their shoulders..

LOL sure we all thought cro cop would dominate but Mirko didnt think he would. The Cro Cop and Nog of pride would have dominated the UFC. CC even admitted he lost the fuel in the tank. Nog should be undefeated in the UFC. Mir fight doesnt really count when he had staph. And what does it matter if American fans dont know who Fedor is. Are you that ignorant to think that MMA is only popular in the U.S. and the American opinion is the only one that matters. The real MMA fans know he is the best. Who gives a fuck if average joe doesnt know the truth and thinks Cain would smash him.

[dbreiden83080]

The Cro Cop and Nog of pride would have dominated the UFC.

No way of knowing this, i'm not much for guessing games..
What i do know is Cro Cop sucked in the UFC and Nog has been good but not great..



Nog should be undefeated in the UFC. Mir fight doesnt really count when he had staph.

He fought and got beat, he didn't look any better against Randy to me. He just had a smaller less powerful guy in front of him who should be fighting at 205 and has no power in his hands..



And what does it matter if American fans dont know who Fedor is.

I'm simply point out that nobody knows who he is here, when you threw Tom Brady line at me.. :lol



The real MMA fans know he is the best.

Good for them, i'd rather know he is the best by seeing the man fight big fights against great fighters. Not cans in a second rate promotion..

[dallaskd]

Point is.. Fedor is the best on the planet, no matter what public opinion in the U.S. is. We would all like to see him in the UFC. Its not happening for a while so get used to it, but dont try to take any credit for what the guy has done in his career just because he is not fighting Cain or Lesnar next month. He will be in the UFC before too long either because he feels the pressure of American fans and does not sign another deal with m-1 or what i think will happen.. Strikeforce will fold in the next 2 years and he will see its his only option other than retirement, because im not sure Dream will be around either.

[polandprzem]

To be honest i don't know who Tom Brandy is

All i know is that I can drink brandy

[dbreiden83080]

To be honest i don't know who Tom Brandy is

All i know is that I can drink brandy

:lmao

[polandprzem]

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[polandprzem]

Wednesday, November 11, 2009
by Jake Rossen ([email protected])

Dana White has a better understanding of media relations than virtually any sports personality alive. Beat writers want inflammatory quotes; White gives it to them. It’s the reason he’s such a pervasive presence, and it’s helped make his brand synonymous with combat sports. Geniality is boring. Meltdowns create hits and move copy.

Saturday’s Strikeforce telecast is an open invitation to solicit White, because everyone involved knows what they’re going to get. It’s approaching performance art.

“CBS made its biggest mistake partnering with a tiny, small show with a roster no one cares about,” White told Yahoo Sports Wednesday. (Wind him up and watch him go.) “Just because you read on MMA.TV that someone is a superstar doesn’t make it true. This should prove that no one out there gives a [expletive] about Fedor.”

White is referring to the roughly 5.5 million viewers who tuned in for the Fedor Emelianenko/Brett Rogers bout, a number that bests the 4.7 million who tuned in to see Anderson Silva embarrass James Irvin in the summer of 2008. And if you believe White went on to proclaim that “no one gives a [expletive] about Anderson Silva,” you are an interesting person.

Thankfully, Yahoo’s contributor left the recorder on. “If I hear any of you guys [sportswriters] calling Fedor the best pound-for-pound, I’m going to go postal,” White raved. “Do you think Brett Rogers would have lasted two minutes with Brock [Lesnar]? What do you think Cain Velasquez would do to him?”

What Velasquez would do to him is speculation, but we know what Emelianenko would do to the guy about to fight Velasquez for the UFC’s number-one contender’s slot: Emelianenko punched a hole in Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira’s head on three separate occasions. So either he’s really a pretty good fighter, or White concedes he’s granting title opportunities to washouts.

This could go on for days. Some purists are going to seize up at the mention of these comments, but a sizable number of fans with a more recreational interest take White at his word. Strikeforce really didn’t need an Emelianenko. They needed a Dana White.

http://www.sherdog.com/news/articles/dana-white-vs-russia-round-vii-20864

[oakmantex]

I don't even have to say anything in the thread. It looks like it's been covered. :lol



Don't piss dallaskd off.




Fedor Emelianenko vs. Brett Rogers
Jake Shields vs. Jason "Mayhem" Miller
Gegard Mousasi vs. Rameau Thierry Sokoudjou
Fabricio Werdum vs. Antonio Silva
Jake Shields is the KING KONG of welterweights, only GSP is in his class, but he is fighting middleweight(with no extra pay)because thats where the better fighters are in SF right now.

[oakmantex]

Since Strikeforce got the CBS deal, Dana changed his mind about them, a few months ago Dana had nothing but good words about SF. They were watched by 6.879 million Americans, but M1(co-owned by Fedor) has international connections in Europe, Japan, Korea, Australia, Africa, the middleast and more.
They have some good competition in HW, LHW, MW, they are working on WW and now LW is looking good.
Fedor, Werdum, Overheem(SP?) Mousassi, Shields, Lawler, Lindland Manhoef, Jacare, Diaz, Zarmoski, Aoki, Melendez and so on

[oligarchy]

I wouldn't call Shields KING KONG. I'd like to see him fight Fitch, Koschek, Johnson, or Alves. I don't know if he can beat any of those guys, let alone GSP.

Eh. UFC has better weight classes. Fedor, Mousassi and Aoki are the only ones I'd be interested in seeing.

[dallaskd]

I doubt you ever see Aoki or any Dream fighters in strikeforce

[oligarchy]

I doubt you ever see Aoki or any Dream fighters in strikeforce

http://www.mmamania.com/2009/08/05/strikeforce-forming-a-strategic-alliance-with-dream-to-exchange-fighters/

[dallaskd]

http://www.mmamania.com/2009/08/05/strikeforce-forming-a-strategic-alliance-with-dream-to-exchange-fighters/

I call bullshit. No way half of those Japs will ever agree to fight in the U.S.