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iggypop123
10-20-2009, 12:06 AM
With the season only days away, let's try to determine which, if any, of the West's best has a chance to dethrone the Lakers.

Lakers vs. Blazers

Ron Artest is the best defensive wingman in the business. Depending on who's hot and who's not, he should be able to make life difficult for either LaMarcus Aldridge or Brandon Roy. The expectation, however, is that to limit his accumulation of fouls, the Lakers will wait until the endgame before siccing Ron-Ron on Roy. While not even Artest is capable of completely shutting Roy down, his bullying defense will go a long way toward disrupting the flow of his (and his team's) offensive schemes.

In the long run, Greg Oden and Andrew Bynum will cancel each other's effectiveness. Expect both of them to get each other in foul trouble.

That leaves Joel Przybilla matched against Pau Gasol. The latter's ability to turn-face-and-go negates the former's advantage in bulk and strength. (The same scenario will be in effect when Gasol and Oden face off.)

Derek Fisher is a good matchup power-wise with Andre Miller. And both Jordan Farmar and Shannon Brown have the speed and quickness to keep up with Steve Blake.

Lamar Odom has everything over whomever he faces.

Last year's L.A.-Denver series proved the danger of doubling Kobe Bryant. And the only Blazer with the necessary equipment to at least impede the scoring heroics of Kobe is Roy.

Indeed, aside from Artest's versatile defensive prowess, this constitutes the Lakers' biggest advantage: That in order for Portland to prevail Roy has to accomplish much more at both ends of the floor than Kobe does.

Lakers vs. Nuggets

Despite being severely challenged by Denver in the early games of last season's playoffs, the Lakers will have an easier time disposing of the Nuggets this year.

It's a matter of addition and subtraction.

L.A.'s addition of Artest means that he can blast away at Carmelo Anthony with minimal help on defense. No more of the relatively easy post-up scores that 'Melo managed against Kobe. The corollary is that Kobe is now free to avoid getting banged around in the paint, and can now devote his defensive efforts to chasing J.R. Smith — not an easy task, but much less physically debilitating.

By subtracting Dahntay Jones and Linas Kleiza from their roster, Denver is absent a pair of formidable weapons. Without Jones, Anthony or Renaldo Balkman are the most likely candidates to guard Kobe. But how long can Anthony keep his chops sharp while having to work so hard for so long at both ends? And if the Nuggets can't get their running game out of the blocks, Balkman will be a huge drag on their offense.

Moreover, Kenyon Martin will be dramatically overmatched when paired against either Odom or Artest.

Plus, Gasol can successfully turn and take both Nene and Chris Andersen.

For the Nuggets to win, they must amp up the tempo even though their bench is considerably shorter than L.A.'s. However, to be able to get out and go, the Nuggets will be compelled to play good defense. With their reworked roster, this seems to be a long shot. A very long shot.

For the present, and barring any radical roster alterations, Denver's biggest advantages are its powerhouse presences at two key positions. Nene must get lots of touches in the paint so he can abuse Bynum and Gasol. And Chauncey Billups also has to spend time in the low post where he can use his superior strength against Fisher, Farmar or Brown.

The downside of this dual strategy is that it would force 'Melo, K-Mart and Smith to become strictly perimeter scorers.

Give the Nuggets a win or two in Denver's thin air, but otherwise the Lakers should control both the tempo and the scoreboard.

Lakers vs. Spurs

Because it has judiciously invigorated its roster, San Antonio represents the Lakers' most significant challenge in the West. Here's why:

Both Richard Jefferson and Keith Bogans are first-rate defenders, good enough to make Kobe work harder for his points than he wants to. Also, along this same line, Kobe will be tempted to increase his reliance on his perimeter game, which means too many quick jumpers.

Tony Parker is much too quick to be impeded by L.A.'s point-guard corps.

Tim Duncan's inside-outside game effectively puts Bynum on the bench. At best, Gasol will match points with TD. Indeed, anything resembling a wash in this particular matchup dramatically favors the Lakers.

If Artest can effectively contain Jefferson's scoring output, Manu Ginobili is much too quick for him. That puts Kobe on Ginobili — an interesting pairing to say the least. The danger for L.A., however, is the very real possibility of Kobe's getting caught up in a point-for-point can-you-top-this situation.

Odom becomes the X-factor here. If he's at the top of his game, he can easily tilt any contest to the Lakers. If not, then the Spurs have the edge.

While the Lakers have better team-wide rebounding, the Spurs' defense is appreciably superior and their offense is more disciplined.

Only this is certain: Every play in every game between these two high-quality foes will be a dogfight.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/10225064/2009-10-preview:-Lakers-vs.-rest-of-West%27s-best

PGDynasty24
10-20-2009, 12:20 AM
whose the hot girl in your sig iggypop?

cobbler
10-20-2009, 12:40 AM
whose the hot girl in your sig iggypop?

And what's that black thing on her lower lip?

Lars
10-20-2009, 12:53 AM
With the season only days away, let's try to determine which, if any, of the West's best has a chance to dethrone the Lakers.

Lakers vs. Blazers

Ron Artest is the best defensive wingman in the business. Depending on who's hot and who's not, he should be able to make life difficult for either LaMarcus Aldridge or Brandon Roy. The expectation, however, is that to limit his accumulation of fouls, the Lakers will wait until the endgame before siccing Ron-Ron on Roy. While not even Artest is capable of completely shutting Roy down, his bullying defense will go a long way toward disrupting the flow of his (and his team's) offensive schemes.

In the long run, Greg Oden and Andrew Bynum will cancel each other's effectiveness. Expect both of them to get each other in foul trouble.

That leaves Joel Przybilla matched against Pau Gasol. The latter's ability to turn-face-and-go negates the former's advantage in bulk and strength. (The same scenario will be in effect when Gasol and Oden face off.)

Derek Fisher is a good matchup power-wise with Andre Miller. And both Jordan Farmar and Shannon Brown have the speed and quickness to keep up with Steve Blake.

Lamar Odom has everything over whomever he faces.

Last year's L.A.-Denver series proved the danger of doubling Kobe Bryant. And the only Blazer with the necessary equipment to at least impede the scoring heroics of Kobe is Roy.

Indeed, aside from Artest's versatile defensive prowess, this constitutes the Lakers' biggest advantage: That in order for Portland to prevail Roy has to accomplish much more at both ends of the floor than Kobe does.

Lakers vs. Nuggets

Despite being severely challenged by Denver in the early games of last season's playoffs, the Lakers will have an easier time disposing of the Nuggets this year.

It's a matter of addition and subtraction.

L.A.'s addition of Artest means that he can blast away at Carmelo Anthony with minimal help on defense. No more of the relatively easy post-up scores that 'Melo managed against Kobe. The corollary is that Kobe is now free to avoid getting banged around in the paint, and can now devote his defensive efforts to chasing J.R. Smith — not an easy task, but much less physically debilitating.

By subtracting Dahntay Jones and Linas Kleiza from their roster, Denver is absent a pair of formidable weapons. Without Jones, Anthony or Renaldo Balkman are the most likely candidates to guard Kobe. But how long can Anthony keep his chops sharp while having to work so hard for so long at both ends? And if the Nuggets can't get their running game out of the blocks, Balkman will be a huge drag on their offense.

Moreover, Kenyon Martin will be dramatically overmatched when paired against either Odom or Artest.

Plus, Gasol can successfully turn and take both Nene and Chris Andersen.

For the Nuggets to win, they must amp up the tempo even though their bench is considerably shorter than L.A.'s. However, to be able to get out and go, the Nuggets will be compelled to play good defense. With their reworked roster, this seems to be a long shot. A very long shot.

For the present, and barring any radical roster alterations, Denver's biggest advantages are its powerhouse presences at two key positions. Nene must get lots of touches in the paint so he can abuse Bynum and Gasol. And Chauncey Billups also has to spend time in the low post where he can use his superior strength against Fisher, Farmar or Brown.

The downside of this dual strategy is that it would force 'Melo, K-Mart and Smith to become strictly perimeter scorers.

Give the Nuggets a win or two in Denver's thin air, but otherwise the Lakers should control both the tempo and the scoreboard.

Lakers vs. Spurs

Because it has judiciously invigorated its roster, San Antonio represents the Lakers' most significant challenge in the West. Here's why:

Both Richard Jefferson and Keith Bogans are first-rate defenders, good enough to make Kobe work harder for his points than he wants to. Also, along this same line, Kobe will be tempted to increase his reliance on his perimeter game, which means too many quick jumpers.

Tony Parker is much too quick to be impeded by L.A.'s point-guard corps.

Tim Duncan's inside-outside game effectively puts Bynum on the bench. At best, Gasol will match points with TD. Indeed, anything resembling a wash in this particular matchup dramatically favors the Lakers.

If Artest can effectively contain Jefferson's scoring output, Manu Ginobili is much too quick for him. That puts Kobe on Ginobili — an interesting pairing to say the least. The danger for L.A., however, is the very real possibility of Kobe's getting caught up in a point-for-point can-you-top-this situation.

Odom becomes the X-factor here. If he's at the top of his game, he can easily tilt any contest to the Lakers. If not, then the Spurs have the edge.

While the Lakers have better team-wide rebounding, the Spurs' defense is appreciably superior and their offense is more disciplined.

Only this is certain: Every play in every game between these two high-quality foes will be a dogfight.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/10225064/2009-10-preview:-Lakers-vs.-rest-of-West%27s-best


Gonna go ahead and bold the statements that I believe to be incorrect.

mingus
10-20-2009, 12:59 AM
if J.R. Smith shows more maturity and improvement this season like he did last season, Denver can take it all. the media has it so that SA and LA are a notch above the rest, but Denver is right there with them this year.

Chieflion
10-20-2009, 01:02 AM
if J.R. Smith shows more maturity and improvement this season like he did last season, Denver can take it all. the media has it so that SA and LA are a notch above the rest, but Denver is right there with them this year.
It is Melo's job to take his game to another level. The backup PG Ty Lawson is another factor.

mystargtr34
10-20-2009, 04:31 AM
:lol @ Artest on Aldridge.

DAF86
10-20-2009, 04:38 AM
if J.R. Smith shows more maturity and improvement this season like he did last season, Denver can take it all. the media has it so that SA and LA are a notch above the rest, but Denver is right there with them this year.

Sorry but I can't take The Nuggetts seriously.

DAF86
10-20-2009, 04:38 AM
Also lol at Artest beign the best defensive wingman in the NBA.

Culburn369
10-20-2009, 05:21 AM
if J.R. Smith shows more maturity and improvement this season like he did last season, Denver can take it all. the media has it so that SA and LA are a notch above the rest, but Denver is right there with them this year.

tee, hee.

PURO SAN ANTO 210!
10-20-2009, 05:43 AM
Culburn369 fuck ur tee, hee. Go back to some las lakers forums puto!!!!!!
Puro pinche san anto 210!!!!

Ftl!


Go spurs go!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Culburn369
10-20-2009, 06:08 AM
Culburn369 fuck ur tee, hee. Go back to some las lakers forums puto!!!!!!
Puro pinche san anto 210!!!!

Ftl!


Go spurs go!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The tee, hee stays.

PURO SAN ANTO 210!
10-20-2009, 06:28 AM
Eres maricon o que? Pinche vale verga? Mete te n el culo guey!

urunobili
10-20-2009, 06:31 AM
Also lol at Artest beign the best defensive wingman in the NBA.

I just saw the knicks vs the nets at the MSG pre season ball... it was all that i needed to confirm that the credit of best wing defender will be on Courtney Lee pretty soon...

Culburn369
10-20-2009, 06:32 AM
Eres maricon o que? Pinche vale verga? Mete te n el culo guey!

No, we're not doing tripe till Saturday.

KidCongo
10-20-2009, 06:41 AM
This season is gunna be pretty damn exciting!

Culburn369
10-20-2009, 06:45 AM
This season is gunna be pretty damn exciting!

Oh, woe be to you when you get Daddy'ed.

Oh, my.

PURO SAN ANTO 210!
10-20-2009, 06:48 AM
Shit ese ur n idiot homie!!!!!!!

Have sum barbacoa fool!!!!!!

Puro san anto 210!!!!!!!!!!

Muser
10-20-2009, 07:17 AM
Oh, woe be to you when you get Daddy'ed.

Oh, my.

:lol

carrao45
10-20-2009, 09:06 AM
whose the hot girl in your sig iggypop?

The blonde one is a pornstar named ashlynn brooke

carrao45
10-20-2009, 09:07 AM
I agree with his overall ideas. But his talk of players canceling each other out shows a lack of bball knowledge

Mike D
10-20-2009, 10:54 AM
This analysis is awful, so many glaring errors.

mingus
10-20-2009, 11:56 AM
It is Melo's job to take his game to another level. The backup PG Ty Lawson is another factor.

i think Smith is most important. he has all-star potential. if he can play up to that, they'll be as good as SA and LA imo. they were close as hell last year, and could have won if not for some stupid last-second decisions. it was more iq than talent that hurt them. bball iq, to an extent, comes with experience, which they've gained, and it's also going to be huge for them. if they beat SA or LA i wouldn't even call it an upset.

mingus
10-20-2009, 12:01 PM
Sorry but I can't take The Nuggetts seriously.

is there a reason. they made it to the WCF last year and had a good chacne to win. it's virtually the same team with even more upside now.

Culburn369
10-20-2009, 12:01 PM
they were close as hell last year, and could have won if not for some stupid last-second decisions. experience, which they've gained, is going to be huge for them, too.

They lost 4-2, ming. They never put it all out there because they were afraid of coming up short, so they short stroked it, came up the requisite light and ipso facto could then live with it. That was their strategy. Puny & weak. Sacramento did the same thing earlier this decade. It's the human condition at it's basest point. & both times Jackson took 'em to the corn field.

bostonguy
10-20-2009, 12:41 PM
is there a reason. they made it to the WCF last year and had a good chacne to win. it's virtually the same team with even more upside now.

They are a team who base their play off of emotion. When adversity hits, they crumble. George Karl being their head coach doesn't help those matters. Melo is a damn good player but he isn't a leader. They also lost Klieza/Jones and didn't really improve their team all that much after losing those 2. They made it to the WCF due to playing 2 non-athletic teams in New Orleans and Dallas. They competed well with LA until game 6 when they got waxed by 27 points on their home floor. Unless they get a new coach and smarter players, they aren't winning anything.

xellos88330
10-20-2009, 12:45 PM
They lost 4-2, ming. They never put it all out there because they were afraid of coming up short, so they short stroked it, came up the requisite light and ipso facto could then live with it. That was their strategy. Puny & weak. Sacramento did the same thing earlier this decade. It's the human condition at it's basest point. & both times Jackson took 'em to the corn field.

2 of the Lakers wins were decided by 2 or less possessions. It is a lot closer than the series numbers. It could have easily been 4-2 the other way if the Nuggets hit 1 more shot in game 1 and 2 shots in game 3.

Culburn369
10-20-2009, 12:45 PM
They are a team who base their play off of emotion. When adversity hits, they crumble. George Karl being their head coach doesn't help those matters.

Word.

Culburn369
10-20-2009, 12:48 PM
2 of the Lakers wins were decided by 2 or less possessions. It is a lot closer than the series numbers. It could have easily been 4-2 the other way if the Nuggets hit 1 more shot in game 1 and 2 shots in game 3.

That's the luxury of a postmortem of a series, x.

DUNCANownsKOBE2
10-20-2009, 12:48 PM
Also lol at Artest beign the best defensive wingman in the NBA.

+1

Wasn't even the best defensive wing on his team last year.

bostonguy
10-20-2009, 12:49 PM
2 of the Lakers wins were decided by 2 or less possessions. It is a lot closer than the series numbers. It could have easily been 4-2 the other way if the Nuggets hit 1 more shot in game 1 and 2 shots in game 3.

It sure "could have" been the other way around but it wasn't. Nuggets being a team that folds under pressure is a huge reason for that. Game 6 was more than enough proof that the Nuggets were good enough to compete but not beat the Lakers in a 7 game series.

Culburn369
10-20-2009, 12:50 PM
+1

Wasn't even the best defensive wing on his team last year.

Perhaps, but, you couldn't get a soul (including us Lakers people) to cite that until he went to L.A..

DUNCANownsKOBE2
10-20-2009, 12:52 PM
2 of the Lakers wins were decided by 2 or less possessions. It is a lot closer than the series numbers. It could have easily been 4-2 the other way if the Nuggets hit 1 more shot in game 1 and 2 shots in game 3.

Shoulda woulda coulda.

The Lakers also got better over the offseason, Denver made the mistake so many teams make by remaining content with their team. Denver's ceiling is a 4-5 seed 2nd round exit this year.

Spursmania
10-20-2009, 12:52 PM
if J.R. Smith shows more maturity and improvement this season like he did last season, Denver can take it all. the media has it so that SA and LA are a notch above the rest, but Denver is right there with them this year.

Meh...

DUNCANownsKOBE2
10-20-2009, 12:52 PM
Perhaps, but, you couldn't get a soul (including us Lakers people) to cite that until he went to L.A..


It was pretty clear to me. If he was the best defensive wing in the NBA, he would have been guarding Kobe, not Battier.

Culburn369
10-20-2009, 12:54 PM
It was pretty clear to me. If he was the best defensive wing in the NBA, he would have been guarding Kobe, not Battier.

That's my point. If you genuinely held that opinion/belief you'd a cited it. If you did, then go get it.

Otherwise, yer just shinin' my shoes, squirt.