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Winehole23
10-20-2009, 04:24 PM
How Dirty Are Hedge Funds? (http://www.forbes.com/2009/10/20/galleon-hedge-fund-wire-personal-finance-galleon.html)

Neil Weinberg (http://search.forbes.com/search/colArchiveSearch?author=neil+and+weinberg&aname=Neil+Weinberg), 10.20.09, 12:45 PM EDT

Dirty enough to be drawing the wrong lessons from Galleon.

http://images.forbes.com/media/2004/sneakpeek/nweinberg.jpg

How dirty is the hedge fund business? Filthy would be a fair assessment. Not that this should come as a surprise to Forbes readers. After all, a 2004 cover story, titled "The Sleaziest Show On Earth (http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2004/0524/110.html)," profiled the industry's many transgressions--from bogus performance figures and nonexistent audits to outrageous fees and outright theft.


Such views were given further credence last week by an academic paper concluding that 21% of hedge funds (http://topics.forbes.com/hedge%20funds) lie about past legal and regulatory problems and 28% propagate incorrect or unverifiable information about other topics (http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1456414).

Lest there was any doubt, here's a tidbit of news from the wake of the unfolding Galleon Group insider trading (http://topics.forbes.com/insider%20trading) case that has apparently been built on wiretaps. An unnamed hedge fund has responded to the arrest of Galleon's founder and four others by putting out feelers for the services of experts who can come in and make sure its own employees are not wearing wires.


That news comes from Edward Siedle, who investigates money management wrongdoing out of Benchmark Financial Services and occasionally contributes to Forbes (http://www.forbes.com/2009/10/15/calpers-villalobos-public-pension-fund-personal-finance-siedle.html).


What struck Siedle as amusing yet sad: The fund isn't looking for legal or other guidance into how to ensure its employees comply with an ethical compliance policy. No, instead its concern is in making sure that any crooked dealings (or conversations that might be construed as such) aren't captured on tape.


"It's a lot like the worry they've already got with e-mails," says Nathaniel Burney, a former New York City prosecutor who now does defense work for hedge funds and other white-collar clients. "Now phone calls are just another form of communication they have to be careful about."

Wherever the fuzzy line is drawn between using legal research and illegal non-public data, there's no doubt that cashing in on an unfair information edge is one of the hedge fund industry's core competencies. After all, outside investors aren't paying hedge fund managers those out-sized fees to take market risks but to mint money.

No less an icon than George Soros (http://topics.forbes.com/George%20Soros) was convicted of insider trading by France's highest court in 2006. Never mind that the wheels of justice took two decades to roll forward or that they failed to put much of a crimp in the operations of America's 15th richest man (http://www.forbes.com/lists/2009/54/rich-list-09_George-Soros_L9II.html).

My guess is that in the coming months, plenty more sleaze will come to light as hedge funds seek to recover some of their past glory and riches. That's precisely what happened in the midst of the tech bust a half-decade ago when desperation prompted hedge funds and their Wall Street cronies to cook up illegal schemes and rip off mutual fund investors for hundreds of millions of dollars. There's no reason to think hedge funds will be any less creative this time around.

101A
10-21-2009, 08:12 AM
:depressed

Oh, and just to get in a partisan shot:

Soros. lol.

Heck of a benefactor you Dems got there. He and Goldman Sachs own what percentage of this President?

"Change we can believe in".

Right.

RandomGuy
10-21-2009, 08:33 AM
:depressed

Oh, and just to get in a partisan shot:

Soros. lol.

Heck of a benefactor you Dems got there. He and Goldman Sachs own what percentage of this President?

"Change we can believe in".

Right.

If you didn't go there, someone else would've.

This would be where I would usually point out the slimy underside of GOP fundraising with a list of names, but this morning... meh.

RandomGuy
10-21-2009, 08:34 AM
Getting back to the OP:

I need to start running a hedge fund. No disclosure, no oversight, I can "innovate" with high fees, invest in something simple like coca-cola stock, and claim I am a financial genius.

All while earning 2% on a billion dollars.

Sign me up.

101A
10-21-2009, 08:35 AM
If you didn't go there, someone else would've.

This would be where I would usually point out the slimy underside of GOP fundraising with a list of names, but this morning... meh.


Hell, the GOP would take money from Soros if he offered it; they've got no more scruples; pointing out your side is equally corrupted is not defense of your side in this case. They all suck.

Winehole23
06-22-2016, 10:38 PM
Investors bear the risks and managers reap the rewards.


The average hedge fund earns 1.67 per cent in management fees and is paid 18 per cent of investment profits annually. Over the past ten years, investors paid away half of pre-fee returns. Even more troubling is the fact that fees consumed 80 per cent of alpha, the active return on an investment.Yes, the industry still generates a lot of alpha, but it goes to the managers, not investors.


How did we end up in a world where investors bear the risks and managers reap the rewards? The fee structure (http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/9bd1150e-1b76-11e6-b286-cddde55ca122.html#axzz4AtvQo49w) is to blame.

http://www.allaboutalpha.com/blog/2016/06/20/the-hedge-fund-fee-structure-consumes-80-of-alpha/