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duncan228
10-24-2009, 09:59 PM
With upgraded cast, Duncan poised for final act (http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/spurs/With_upgraded_cast_Duncan_poised_for_final_act.htm l)
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Tim Duncan spent the offseason focused on reshaping his body for a long season, while the Spurs remade the team to lessen the load he carries.

The second-longest offseason of Tim Duncan's career began with basketball out of sight, if not out of mind. For three months after the Spurs' first-round playoff ouster against Dallas, he stayed away from the court.

In an attempt to save some wear on his knees, Duncan returned to his first sporting love, the swimming pool. He worked out on the Spurs' new space-age anti-gravity treadmill. He even took up boxing, sparring regularly with former prizefighting champion “Jesse” James Leija.

Instead of readying himself for his 13th NBA season, Duncan appeared to be training for some sort of bizarre triathlon.

“He wanted to do some cage fighting,” Spurs coach Gregg Popovich said jokingly, “but we wouldn't let him.”

There was a method to Duncan's offseason madness. When he finally returned in August to the sport that pays his bills, he did so 15 pounds lighter, light years healthier and with a message that reverberated throughout the entire organization.

“It shows me and his teammates that he's taking this thing seriously,” guard Michael Finley said. “It's not about coasting into retirement. He's still serious about being one of the best players in the league.”

In that, perhaps Duncan was simply repaying the favor to his front office. While Duncan was busy reshaping his body, Popovich and Spurs general manager R.C. Buford — with an eight-figure financial assist from Peter Holt's ownership group — were busy reshaping the team around him.

As the 33-year-old Duncan enters the third act of his career, in search of a fifth NBA championship that would put him in rare company, he does so surrounded by his best supporting cast in years.

In the span of 17 days this offseason, the Spurs traded for a dynamic wing scorer (Richard Jefferson), drafted an All-American rebounder in the second round (Pittsburgh's DeJuan Blair) and signed a respected veteran post presence (Antonio McDyess). Added to a core that includes a still-rising star in point guard Tony Parker and a newly healthy Manu Ginobili, the Spurs have re-established themselves as prime contenders for the Lakers' Western Conference throne.

“We've put ourselves in a position to try and win this thing again,” Duncan said. “That's what it's all about. Every year, you want to come in here and feel like you have a chance to win it.”

The Spurs' makeover was swift, expensive and thorough. Only five players remain from the team that earned the franchise's fourth title in 2007.

That commitment to rebuild, no matter the cost, sent an important signal to Duncan, who is under contract for the next three seasons. Retirement isn't imminent for him, but he can definitely see the beach from here.

“I know the window for me is closing,” said Duncan, who averaged 19.3 points and 10.7 rebounds last season, but faded after the All-Star break. “I've got a couple years left on my career. Hopefully, I can end strong.”

With Duncan's body clock in mind, Holt dug deep for an unprecedented Spurs spending spree. The team waved bye-bye to the luxury tax threshold on June 23 — the day Buford swapped spare parts to Milwaukee for Jefferson — and never looked back.

They are likely to begin the season approximately $10 million over the dollar-for-dollar tax line, with little hope of getting under it in time for the Great Free-Agent Auction of 2010. For the Spurs, 2010 came a summer early.

“We didn't want to tread water this year and try to win a championship next year,” Popovich said. “While we've got this group together, we want to try to win it every year. That's one thing Peter understood.”

No amount of money, however, can turn back the years on Duncan's body, and he knows it.

The 12-time All-Star limped to the finish line last season on a pair of sore knees, putting up 19.8 points and eight rebounds in the Dallas series on guts alone.

Outside of the Lakers, health — particularly that of Duncan's knees and Ginobili's ankle — could be the biggest obstacle between the Spurs and a return to the Finals.

“We say it at the beginning of every year,” Duncan said. “If we're healthy, we think we have a chance.”

That's why Duncan rededicated himself to his body in the offseason, shedding pounds even though he wasn't exactly Eddy Curry to begin with.

For teammates who often take their cues from their team captain, nothing symbolizes the Spurs' offseason renewal like the sight of a rejuvenated Duncan.

“Tim is a guy who leads by example,” Finley said. “He's not going to broadcast it. He's just going to come in and do his job, and you see the results.”

The Spurs spent an entire offseason, and a truckload of money, constructing a championship contender around Duncan. He aims to be healthy enough to enjoy it.

“It's out of character for us,” Duncan said of the shopping spree. “What is in character is the front office putting a team together that has a chance to win. They stepped up and made that move.”

SET FOR ACT III

At 33, Tim Duncan hasn’t quite reached the twilight of his NBA playing days, but he can see them from here. At this point, it’s easy to say he’s entering the final act of his successful career and he does so with a Spurs team remade to give one of the best power forwards ever a run at winning an NBA title or two.

Act I would have been the six years he played with Hall of Fame center David Robinson, which produced two titles. Act II would be the six years he spent cultivating the “Big Three” with All-Star guards Tony Parker and Manu Ginobili, which netted two more NBA crowns.

In the offseason, the Spurs added Richard Jefferson, Antonio McDyess and rookie DeJuan Blair to help ease some scoring and rebounding load.

A look at Duncan’s numbers in the first two acts:

Act I — 1997-2003

G MP Pts Reb As
Totals 451 17,726 10,324 5,548 1,447
Average 75.1 39.3 22.9 12.3 3.2

Act II — 2003-09

G MP Pts Reb As
Totals 448 15,413 8,922 4,999 1,400
Average 74.7 34.3 19.9 11.2 3.1

CHASING HISTORY

Tim Duncan, Kobe Bryant and Derek Fisher open this season vying to join an elite group of NBA players who have won five titles with the same team.

11: Bill Russell, Celtics
10: Sam Jones, Celtics
8: John Havlicek, Tom Heinsohn, K.C. Jones, Tom Sanders, Celtics
7: Frank Ramsey, Celtics
6: Bob Cousy, Jim Loscutoff, Celtics; Michael Jordan, Scottie Pippen, Bulls
5: Michael Cooper, Magic Johnson, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Lakers; Don Nelson, Larry Siegfried, Celtics
Source: basketball-reference.com

FOR STARTERS

With the Spurs’ new additions this season, Tim Duncan now has had 100 teammates since joining the Spurs as the No. 1 overall draft pick in 1997. He has been in the starting lineup of every game he has played with the exception of one game in 2004.

A look at the yearly starters in the Duncan era:

1997-98: PG Avery Johnson, SG Vinny Del Negro, SF Sean Elliott/Jaren Jackson, PF Duncan, C David Robinson
1998-99: Johnson, Mario Elie, Elliott, Duncan, Robinson
1999-00: Johnson, Elie, Chucky Brown, Duncan, Robinson
2000-01: Terry Porter, Derek Anderson, Elliott, Duncan, Robinson
2001-02: Tony Parker, Steve Smith, Bruce Bowen, Duncan, Robinson
2002-03: Parker, Stephen Jackson, Bowen, Duncan, Robinson
2003-04: Parker, Manu Ginobili/Bowen, Hedo Turkoglu, Duncan, Rasho Nesterovic
2004-05: Parker, Ginobili, Bowen, Duncan, Nesterovic
2005-06: Parker, Ginobili, Bowen, Duncan, Nesterovic
2006-07: Parker, Ginobili, Bowen, Duncan, Francisco Elson
2007-08: Parker, Michael Finley, Bowen, Duncan, Fabricio Oberto
2008-09: Parker, Roger Mason, Finley, Duncan, Matt Bonner
2009-10: (Probable) Parker, Ginobili, Richard Jefferson, Duncan, Antonio McDyess

TIM’S 100:

Blake Ahearn, Cory Alexander, Derek Anderson
Brent Barry, Mengke Bateer, DeJuan Blair, Keith Bogans, Matt Bonner, Bruce Bowen, Chucky Brown, Devin Brown, Mark Bryant, Willie Burton, Jackie Butler
Matt Carroll, Anthony Carter, Speedy Claxton, Austin Croshere
Antonio Daniels, Vinny Del Negro, Derrick Dial
Mario Elie, Sean Elliott, Francisco Elson, Melvin Ely
Desmon Farmer, Danny Ferry, Michael Finley
Alex Garcia, Andrew Gaze, Reggie Geary, Manu Ginobili, Dion Glover, Anthony Goldwire, Drew Gooden
Malik Hairston, Marcus Haislip, Jason Hart, Shane Heal, Carl Herrera, George Hill, Robert Horry
Jaren Jackson, Stephen Jackson, Richard Jefferson, Avery Johnson, DerMarr Johnson, Linton Johnson, Bobby Jones
Steve Kerr, Jerome Kersey, Gerard King
Keith Langford, Brad Lohaus
Ian Mahinmi, Sean Marks, Roger Mason, Tony Massenburg, Amal McCaskill, Antonio McDyess, Pops Mensah-Bonsu, Ron Mercer, Nazr Mohammed
Rasho Nesterovic, Ira Newble
Fabricio Oberto
Tony Parker, Cherokee Parks, Will Perdue, Chuck Person, Terry Porter
Theo Ratliff, Jeremy Richardson, David Robinson, Glenn Robinson, Malik Rose
Melvin Sanders, Alex Scales, Shawnelle Scott, Charles Smith, Steve Smith, Felton Spencer, Damon Stoudamire
Kurt Thomas, Anthony Tolliver, Hedo Turkoglu
Ime Udoka, Beno Udrih
Nick Van Exel, Jacque Vaughn
Samaki Walker, Charlie Ward, Darius Washington, James White, Brandon Williams, Eric Williams, Marcus Williams, Monty Williams, Kevin Willis, Mike Wilks

TIMMYD!
10-24-2009, 10:10 PM
And like a good suspense story lets hope the third act ends with a bang.

Juanobili
10-24-2009, 10:11 PM
I wonder if Timmy will retire if we win it all this year. Your thoughts 228?

SpursNextRomanEmpire
10-24-2009, 10:12 PM
I think he will stay to the end of his contract

TIMMYD!
10-24-2009, 10:13 PM
I wonder if Timmy will retire if we win it all this year. Your thoughts 228?

I think that's impossible, unless Pop were to retire.

duncan228
10-24-2009, 10:14 PM
I wonder if Timmy will retire if we win it all this year. Your thoughts 228?

Win, lose, or ugly, I expect Duncan to retire at the end of his current contract, in 2012. I don't think he'll retire earlier unless his knees get too painful to deal with (or any other too-horrible-to-think-about injury).

Spursmania
10-24-2009, 10:15 PM
Come on Timmy-Win one more!

Kori Ellis
10-24-2009, 10:15 PM
I wonder if Timmy will retire if we win it all this year. Your thoughts 228?

I don't know why he'd retire before his contract is even over.

I think he might even sign another 2 years in 2012 and come off the bench. :wakeup

Spursmania
10-24-2009, 10:32 PM
^^^You know I was thinking about that and wondered if Timmy would even want to come off the bench. He's so competitive, yet humble about his greatness. Do you think his ego would really let him enjoy not being a starter and actually coming off the bench? What do you think Duncan228?

Kori Ellis
10-24-2009, 10:36 PM
^^^You know I was thinking about that and wondered if Timmy would even want to come off the bench. He's so competitive, yet humble about his greatness. Do you think his ego would really let him enjoy not being a starter and actually coming off the bench? What do you think Duncan228?

I don't think he'd care at all about coming off the bench. I kind of said it as a joke, but it's not completely inconceivable.

Thompson
10-24-2009, 10:39 PM
Tim retiring this after this year (assuming he could still play) would be an insult to Holt, who would still be on the hook for all the expensive pieces he put around Duncan. No way Duncan retires before his current contract unless he is physically unable to play.

I also hope he signs a cheap deal and plays a couple more years (imagine adding a near-max contract player to the team). We'll have to wait and see, of course, but I can dream.

mystargtr34
10-24-2009, 10:39 PM
I think it might depend on the team situation after season 2011-2012. If they make the Finals or WCF, and the team can add a piece that off season which he thinks can get them over the top - then i could see him signing for another year.

Spursmania
10-24-2009, 10:41 PM
I don't think he'd care at all about coming off the bench. I kind of said it as a joke, but it's not completely inconceivable.

As much as I'd like to see Timmy play as long as possible, I just don't see him enjoying coming off the bench. With that said, I'm going to enjoy every minute we have left of watching Timmy play.

narmerguy
10-24-2009, 10:54 PM
I don't know why he'd retire before his contract is even over.

I think he might even sign another 2 years in 2012 and come off the bench. :wakeup

He's not coming off the bench.

duncan228
10-24-2009, 10:58 PM
^^^You know I was thinking about that and wondered if Timmy would even want to come off the bench. He's so competitive, yet humble about his greatness. Do you think his ego would really let him enjoy not being a starter and actually coming off the bench? What do you think Duncan228?

Duncan does whatever it takes for the team to win. I don't see him coming off the bench, if he's healthy I think his game stays strong enough to start until he retires. But if the team was better with him off the bench I think he'd do it happily. Not many in this league keep the ego display under wraps like Duncan does.

mosdef17
10-24-2009, 11:02 PM
I would rather see him retire then come off the bench, the great players know when their time is up. I don't want him ending up like Hakeem or Malone that just played on too long. I think he will play out this contract and most likely retire at the end of it.

Manufan909
10-24-2009, 11:09 PM
It'd be awesome if the Spurs sent Timmy off with b2b LOBs.:lobt2::lobt2:

That might be enough incentive for him to re-sign for less, plus if Tiago fit like a glove his first year, Blair had two stellar years, Hill got better and better, Manu had 2-3 yrs left on his cheap contract, Ian became a defensive force without having an injury for 2 consecutive years:lol, neither RJ nor Mason had even started to decline, and Hairston had turned into Captain Jack minus the crazy... Oh, and FinBo had been traded months ago.:king

NRHector
10-24-2009, 11:10 PM
to Mr. Duncan :toast

Manufan909
10-24-2009, 11:10 PM
I would rather see him retire then come off the bench, the great players know when their time is up. I don't want him ending up like Hakeem or Malone that just played on too long. I think he will play out this contract and most likely retire at the end of it.

I don't see him playing on the 2nd unit for a couple years as too long. Whenever he ends up retiring, it will have not been long enough.:ihit

duncan228
10-24-2009, 11:28 PM
They played with Tim (http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/spurs/Week_in_reviewpreview_They_played_with_Tim.html)
By Douglas Pils - Express-News

On Page 2K of the 2009-10 Spurs/NBA preview section found in today’s paper, we note that 11-time All-Star forward Tim Duncan has now reached 100 teammates who have suited up next to him with the Spurs.

The Spurs infused six new faces into a roster picked by ESPN.com’s Bill Simmons to go 64-18 and win another NBA title. That chase begins Wednesday with the New Orleans Hornets coming to the AT&T Center.

But before we go forward, here are some highlights of those who shared Duncan’s first 12 years in silver and black, including a few who are still here and just arriving.

No Demons: The Wake Forest alum has never played with a fellow Demon Deacon.

Crowded Hall? There has been one Hall of Famer, David Robinson. Although, you can already make an argument for coach Gregg Popovich (four rings) and guards Tony Parker (three rings and he’s French) and Manu Ginobili (three rings, Euroleague champion and MVP and that all-important Olympic gold medal).

Dunk champion: Brent Barry won the All-Star contest at the Alamodome while with the Clippers.

Sharp shooters: Steve Kerr won the All-Star 3-point shootout when he was with Chicago. Kerr, Bruce Bowen, Steve Smith and Barry all led the league in 3-point percentage during their careers.

Strike a pose: Heisman Trophy winner Charlie Ward was a guard here in 2004.

High thinkers: Danny Ferry, Kerr, Vinny Del Negro, Avery Johnson and Terry Porter went on to be NBA general managers or head coaches. Mark Bryant, Mario Elie and Monty Williams are NBA assistants. Chucky Brown is head coach of the Development League’s Los Angeles D-Fenders. Carl Herrera is head coach of Gatos De Monagas in Venezuela.

Fellow All-Stars: Ginobili, Antonio McDyess, Parker, Porter, Robinson, Glenn Robinson, Smith, Nick Van Exel, Kevin Willis.

Rookies of the year: Chuck Person (1987), David Robinson (1990), Damon Stoudamire (1996).

Arizona Wildcats: The most of any university with six — Sean Elliott, Reggie Geary, Richard Jefferson, Kerr, Stoudamire, Marcus Williams.

University of Not From Here: There are 10 teammates who never attended an American university and were born elsewhere. Mengke Bateer, Alex Garcia, Ginobili, Shane Heal, Ian Mahinmi, Rasho Nesterovic, Parker, Fabricio Oberto, Hedo Turkoglu and Beno Udrih.

College Texans: Devin Brown (UTSA), Anthony Goldwire (Houston), Herrera (Houston), Kurt Thomas (TCU) and Mike Wilks (Rice).

Oldest: Jerome Kersey, June 26, 1962

Youngest: DeJuan Blair, April 22, 1989

Allanon
10-24-2009, 11:53 PM
Duncan does whatever it takes for the team to win.

Exactly. This has been the way Duncan's always been.

You guys don't have Iverson here, it's Tim Friggin Duncan...the guy that shies away so much from his own star power we call him boring.

Tim would probably bring Gatorade to Blair every timeout if that meant winning another ring.

Spurs Brazil
10-25-2009, 05:50 PM
TD will win 2 of 3 and retire with 6:toast

Muser
10-25-2009, 06:00 PM
Unless he is in serious pain Tim could be a starter for the next 5 years IMO, D-Rob played into his mid/late 30's as a starter and he was still productive even after the injury.

pad300
10-25-2009, 06:48 PM
I have always wondered why Tim doesn't just do what Kareem did, and develop a sky hook. I really doubt that it's beyond his physical abilities...and as Kareem demonstrated, a big with a sky hook pretty much stays in the league and devastating as long as he wants to.

TIMMYD!
10-25-2009, 07:55 PM
It'd be awesome if the Spurs sent Timmy off with b2b LOBs.:lobt2::lobt2:

That might be enough incentive for him to re-sign for less, plus if Tiago fit like a glove his first year, Blair had two stellar years, Hill got better and better, Manu had 2-3 yrs left on his cheap contract, Ian became a defensive force without having an injury for 2 consecutive years:lol, neither RJ nor Mason had even started to decline, and Hairston had turned into Captain Jack minus the crazy... Oh, and FinBo had been traded months ago.:king

This would be the perfect situation.

AnthonyM
10-25-2009, 08:04 PM
Kind of related to the article but my mom went to the Kiddie Park today with my cousins and she said she saw Tim Duncan there.

She took some pictures of him from the side and he looks incredibly lean. I know this isn't news or anything but he looks even leaner and in shape than the pictures on spurs.com.

Unfortunately, I wasn't there and didn't get to see him in person but it's just good to see that he is committed to doing whatever he needs to do to win another championship.

z0sa
10-25-2009, 08:19 PM
Tim has this year and two more remaining on his contract. I'm confident he'll objectively assess the team's situation and his own when that time comes.

As for the Spurs: we will probably not contend following Tim's contract, but we could have a better team than most people expected.

m33p0
10-25-2009, 08:29 PM
i'm on the "he'll retire at the end of his contract" camp.
cheers to timmy.

KenziE
10-25-2009, 08:51 PM
i cant imaging the spurs without TD man just thinkin of it makes me sad already cannot imagine spurs with no TD

ehz33satx
10-25-2009, 11:37 PM
i cant imaging the spurs without TD man just thinkin of it makes me sad already cannot imagine spurs with no TD

I think Dejuan Blair can help ease your pain when he is THE MAN in San Antonio in a few years. I look forward to many years more of potential championships. The Spurs just may dominate this league for a span of 15 to 18 years. With George Hill by his side, the Spurs are going to be around for many more years.

senorglory
10-26-2009, 12:19 AM
I don't know why he'd retire before his contract is even over.

I think he might even sign another 2 years in 2012 and come off the bench.

I hope that's a possibility, and I keep listening for a clue that Duncan would keep on into his twilight years, a la Kareem.

senorglory
10-26-2009, 12:33 AM
Herrera is head coach of Gatos De Monagas in Venezuela.

Coincidence?

Bobcats:
http://rocksm.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/charlotte_bobcats_logo.jpeg

Gatos:
http://www.venbaloncesto.com/2004/logo_gatos_05.jpg

Cool name, regardless. Gatos De Monagas!!