Chris Broussard: More SJax rumors [Archive] - Page 2

Ice009

11-12-2009, 01:08 AM

Mason/Bonner/Finley for Jackson/Turiaf works..I don't know if I do it though, depends on other options for big men..

Turiaf is a very good shot blocker, but his individual defense is pretty average..

I tried that in the trade machine a few days ago, but then I had a good think about it and I don't know if I want Turiaf.

I am also thinking about a big man a lot more lately too.

If Hairston can get some freaking court time and show us he belongs then I think we might have enough Off Guards/Small Forwards that we should be looking at bigmen.

Jackson is always a favorite though. If it was someone like Maggette or anyone else with similar stats I'd say NO, but I always recall how big Jax can be in the playoffs.

HarlemHeat37

11-12-2009, 01:16 AM

The problem is that there really aren't many options to acquire if we're just looking at big men..

They're all either too expensive, or would need a sweetener if it's an expiring contract..

Jeff Foster is the only one I can think of..maybe Tyson Chandler(he's probably too expensive, but only has an extra year on the contract)..Camby is also a possibility..he's an expiring contract, but maybe the Clippers just trade him straight-up for ours to accommodate his wish for a ring..

MaNu4Tres

11-12-2009, 01:21 AM

Haywood could possibly be another..

TDMVPDPOY

11-12-2009, 01:26 AM

we need a athletic big man,

not another veteran who can barely jump

Mel_13

11-12-2009, 01:27 AM

The problem is that there really aren't many options to acquire if we're just looking at big men..

They're all either too expensive, or would need a sweetener if it's an expiring contract..

Jeff Foster is the only one I can think of..

Jeff Foster was born in 1977, has ties to San Antonio, and has two years at about 13M left on his deal.

There is another center who shares those characteristics and is reportedly being shopped by his team. He put up 13 and 8 in 15 minutes tonight.

Any interest in a second act for Nazr?

mountainballer

11-12-2009, 05:20 AM

Jeff Foster was born in 1977, has ties to San Antonio, and has two years at about 13M left on his deal.

There is another center who shares those characteristics and is reportedly being shopped by his team. He put up 13 and 8 in 15 minutes tonight.

Any interest in a second act for Nazr?

didn't the first act end in some bad blood? and 6+7M are quite a lot for a player like him.
during off season I thought it could be a good idea to acquire Shelden Williams. looking at what he does for the Celtics, turns out it would have been. Nazr is pretty similar. but for 5 times the money. if there wasn't this contract, I say why not.

wildbill2u

11-12-2009, 09:26 AM

From YaHOO SPORTS:

"One of Jackson’s teammates said the Warriors have “serious chemistry issues,” and is hopeful Jackson is traded before the team’s upcoming five-game trip ends in Boston on Nov. 18. Jackson, sources said, told his teammates after a recent practice he didn’t feel like part of the team.
Jackson did his best to make the Warriors happy on Monday, handing out a career-high 15 assists in their runaway victory. He said he was surprised some of his teammates had begun to consider him a distraction, and said he had even held team barbecues to build camaraderie.
“It shouldn’t be [a distraction] because what’s going on with their contracts and their problems doesn’t affect my game,” Jackson said. “It shouldn’t bother them. But if it does I guess they need to grow in the game – it’s not going to be the last time somebody wants to be out and they’re a big part of their team."

coyotes_geek

11-12-2009, 09:32 AM

Chemistry issues with SJax? No way!

mountainballer

11-12-2009, 10:32 AM

He said he was surprised some of his teammates had begun to consider him a distraction, and said he had even held team barbecues to build camaraderie.

:lol yeah great plan! see Pushing Tin.

mingus

11-12-2009, 10:42 AM

with the emergence of Bogunz, the Spurs backcourt is fine. Tony, Manu, RJ, Boguns, and Hill is a formidable enough backcourt to compete with any team defensively or offensively in the league. there's absolutely no need for Jackson at this point. i like the guy's skills, but his time he has passed and Spurs' fans need to move on.

Ice009

11-12-2009, 10:54 AM

coyotes_geek

11-12-2009, 10:56 AM

If you can get him for Finley, Mason Jr and Mahinimi why wouldn't you do it?

Because he's a chemistry killer.

BG_Spurs_Fan

11-12-2009, 10:58 AM

Because he's a chemistry killer.

But but but .. he'll hold team barbecues... isn't it worth his awful contract?

mountainballer

11-12-2009, 10:59 AM

Because he's a chemistry killer.

chemistry griller?

Mel_13

11-12-2009, 10:59 AM

If you can get him for Finley, Mason Jr and Mahinimi why wouldn't you do it?

His contract, his past behavior, his contract, his current behavior, and his contract.

coyotes_geek

11-12-2009, 11:00 AM

chemistry griller?

:lol

mountainballer

11-12-2009, 11:01 AM

His contract, his past behavior, his contract, his current behavior, and his contract.

and his steaks. those are awful.

BG_Spurs_Fan

11-12-2009, 11:02 AM

His contract, his past behavior, his contract, his current behavior, and his contract.

That. And his contract.

coyotes_geek

11-12-2009, 11:04 AM

But but but .. he'll hold team barbecues... isn't it worth his awful contract?

We're good in the barbecue department. Pop sent Manu down to H.E.B. because we needed a brisket.

Ice009

11-12-2009, 11:07 AM

coyotes_geek

11-12-2009, 11:12 AM

He won't be a chemistry killer on the team.

He will be an every other NBA team killer.

The only two issues I see are 1. Do you look for a big man first and 2. Do you want to pay Jax the money for the length of the contract.

Chemistry killer stuff does not apply to the Spurs and SJax.

Don't be naive. It's no coincidence that every team SJax has ever been on ended up deciding that they'd be better off without him. That includes the Spurs btw.

MaNu4Tres

11-12-2009, 11:13 AM

Spurs best business is to trade Mason whether it be for a future first rounder or packaged for a big man. I've been adament about this since the Jefferson trade. The minutes and shots were already scarce for Mason before the addition of Bogans.

Spurs need a tenacious active defender on the perimeter like Bogans in the rotation. They don't need another volume shooter like Jackson, unless Jackson would be willing to put his ego and one on one opportunities aside for the sake of the team. And focused on the defensive end. But at the same time Jackson doesn't have the foot speed of Bogans to stay infront of quick perimeter players to contest effectively.

As of right now Spurs have two front court players who are proven commodities that are able to compete and contribute at the highest level of competition ( Deep in the playoffs, Finals, Conference Finals) ( Duncan and McDyess).

After that Bonner has question marks, Blair has even more and Ratliff is looking like a mop up minutes guy so far in this early season.

Ice009

11-12-2009, 11:15 AM

mountainballer

11-12-2009, 11:26 AM

Question. Weren't you all for SJax a little while ago? ;)

No.
(before we traded for Jefferson I would have called a trade for Sjax something to think about, but not exactly a good idea)

MaNu4Tres

11-12-2009, 11:28 AM

I can dig this take.

Question. Weren't you all for SJax a little while ago? ;)

I still am but to a lesser extent. Spurs really needed another perimeter player able to play both sides of the floor ( most specifically the defensive side) outside of Jefferson and Manu. If you go back that was my main point I was trying to get across. I knew Bogans was a defensive player but I didn't know he was able to guard players 1-3 and able to stay infront of them due to his superior foot speed. (Something that made Bowen as great as he was.)

Bogans has been a pleasant surprise. If he can be consistent on the defensive end, bringing it night in and night out and take his high percentage spot up shots, Spurs best move would be to include Mason in a package would be for a big man. IMO

Ice009

11-12-2009, 12:05 PM

I still am but to a lesser extent. Spurs really needed another perimeter player able to play both sides of the floor ( most specifically the defensive side) outside of Jefferson and Manu. If you go back that was my main point I was trying to get across. I knew Bogans was a defensive player but I didn't know he was able to guard players 1-3 and able to stay infront of them due to his superior foot speed. (Something that made Bowen as great as he was.)

Bogans has been a pleasant surprise. If he can be consistent on the defensive end, bringing it night in and night out and take his high percentage spot up shots, Spurs best move would be to include Mason in a package would be for a big man. IMO

I thought you were pushing for SJax pretty hard a while ago, so Bogans has completely changed your opinion? The question is though would you be willing to pass up on SJax when we could end up with no trades for a bigman?

I guess bigmen are a pretty big commodity and it's less likely you will get a decent one for the expiring contracts we have.

xtremesteven33

11-12-2009, 01:08 PM

Im for a SJAX trade for the simple fact that he would make us a tremendous matchup with the Lakers in the playoffs...

Parker
Jackson
Jefferson
Mdyess
Duncan

We would have the size to battle the Lakers with Jackson in the lineup. Without him, we would be too short (IMO) to beat LA in 7 games.

SKINNYPIMP210

11-12-2009, 02:47 PM

chemistry griller?

LMFAO!!!! Oh man that was good! :lol

Mel_13

11-12-2009, 05:59 PM

His contract is the main reason he has not been moved. His behavior is likely being blown out of proportion. Plus Golden State is a zoo.

Of course, the contract is the critical factor. If he never signed that extension and was in the last year of his contract, there would be a line of contending teams bidding for his services. He did sign the extension and now that contract, combined with his past and current behavior, makes him difficult to move for anything approaching equal value.

He complains about Nelson and the decisions to let Baron, Pietrus, and Barnes leave, but he knew all that when he signed the deal. He said publicly that he looked forward to leading the young players on the team. Every time he opens his mouth these days, he's sure to say that he's all about winning. I don't buy it from him anymore than I do from 98% of pro athletes. If he was really all about winning, he could be on the team of his choice in the next 2 weeks. Give up enough of that extension and GS would buy him out. Then he could choose a team.

Jackson still has a lot of fans here who want him back. Before the RJ trade, I thought he was the best target for the Bowen/Oberto contracts. Now he just costs too much and not only in dollars.

HarlemHeat37

11-12-2009, 10:19 PM

Jeff Foster was born in 1977, has ties to San Antonio, and has two years at about 13M left on his deal.

There is another center who shares those characteristics and is reportedly being shopped by his team. He put up 13 and 8 in 15 minutes tonight.

Any interest in a second act for Nazr?

That's actually funny that you bring up Nazr..my brother and I were watching the game vs. Orlando, and Nazr was looking great, and we joked about that..the announcers were talking about how Nazr felt like he hadn't been given a good chance to contribute the last few years..

I wouldn't give up Bonner for him, but if he's the most realistic option, I'd give up Mason/Finley for him, same with Mason/Ian/Haislip(when he's eligible to be moved)..

MaNu4Tres

11-12-2009, 10:25 PM

That's actually funny that you bring up Nazr..my brother and I were watching the game vs. Orlando, and Nazr was looking great, and we joked about that..the announcers were talking about how Nazr felt like he hadn't been given a good chance to contribute the last few years..

I wouldn't give up Bonner for him, but if he's the most realistic option, I'd give up Mason/Finley for him, same with Mason/Ian/Haislip(when he's eligible to be moved)..

I agree Harlem. Word is he worked his butt off this off-season. I would take Nazr over Foster.

MaNu4Tres

11-12-2009, 10:29 PM

Camby, Nazr, Haywood, Turiaf, Foster are five options that I think could possibly be realistic to a degree.

With Camby being the hardest to pull off.

HarlemHeat37

11-12-2009, 10:35 PM

I think Haywood would be the toughest..he's probably the #1 role player I would like to see next to Duncan, only Kendrick Perkins has the same level of interest from me..Washington likes him though, and he's expiring, so it would probably take Hill or Blair IMO..

coachmac87

11-12-2009, 10:46 PM

Mason And Bonner For SJAX works and sounds great to me!!

Ice009

11-13-2009, 12:06 AM

Mason And Bonner For SJAX works and sounds great to me!!

Why not keep Bonner? There is no point in giving up a rotation big man if you don't have to.

Mason Jr., Finley and Mahinimi would be a much better trade. Why would you keep Finley? There would be no minutes for him, Bonner on the other hand would still have some minutes available.

Actually I wonder if the Warriors would be interested in a someone like Haislip instead of Mahinimi? He might fit into their run and gun system better. How sweet would that be? Then you can trade Bonner and Mahinimi for another big if you can match salaries ;).

I wouldn't include Bonner unless you get another big man back. For example you can add Bonner to those three try and get Turiaff back as well.

montgod

11-13-2009, 12:24 AM

Why not keep Bonner? There is no point in giving up a rotation big man if you don't have to.

Mason Jr., Finley and Mahinimi would be a much better trade. Why would you keep Finley? There would be no minutes for him, Bonner on the other hand would still have some minutes available.

Actually I wonder if the Warriors would be interested in a someone like Haislip instead of Mahinimi? He might fit into their run and gun system better. How sweet would that be? Then you can trade Bonner and Mahinimi for another big if you can match salaries ;).

I wouldn't include Bonner unless you get another big man back. For example you can add Bonner to those three try and get Turiaff back as well.

That sounds great.... until you see SJackson's price tag. No thanks.

Don't forget, Manu is going to be a FA after this year along with possibly bringing Splitter over. Even with Mason, Finley, Bonner, Haislip, and Ian leaving next year, there isn't enough cap space for SJackson and his baggage.

Ice009

11-13-2009, 12:44 AM

I'm still surprised that everyone is hung up on Jack's contract. it really is not that bad. Right now he is making less than 8 million. He had a down season last year and still averaged 20-points-per-game. Sure down the road he'll be more expensive, but the Spurs have always done a good job of moving bad contracts. Jack will still be more effective over the next three seasons with Duncan than other players we could trade for.

Yes a buyout from Golden State would work much much better, but Jack can improve our chances of winning this year. I'd rather make the trade now than later so we have a longer time to work.

I'm with you on that. He is cheap for the next two seasons after that is where he gets expensive. Seriously wouldn't he provide more than all those three players combined?

Do you have any idea if the Spurs are looking at him at all? And yes I would rather do the trade now that wait around until later. He would also help a lot more with injuries. Look at Finley and Mason Jr. right now. What exactly are they providing us the last two games? Pretty much nothing.

Chieflion

11-13-2009, 12:45 AM

The Spurs could always find a better option than Jackson. Someon like Salmons would fit the Spurs plans. I don't know why we need S-Jax so much.

Ice009

11-13-2009, 12:49 AM

The Spurs could always find a better option than Jackson. Someon like Salmons would fit the Spurs plans. I don't know why we need S-Jax so much.

Why would the Bulls give us Salmons??????

If Jackson had a shorter contract then he would probably already be traded to another contender. We only have a chance at SJax right now because he has a contract that no one wants a part of.

Salmons on the other hand is even cheaper. No way the Bulls give him to us for what we might get SJax for.

That is a bad post.

Spursmania

11-13-2009, 12:50 AM

I don't think Pop wants to deal with Sjax again...

montgod

11-13-2009, 02:34 AM

His time with the Spurs has been with the least drama. He was lucky and won a championship at a young age, and then went after money. Now that he is older he wants to be apart of a championship team again. Of course the money on his contract is a major plus that will be hard for him to turn down, but all around I do think he wants to be on a contender and is tired of Nelly's coaching.

He had the least drama with the Spurs because he was a nobody then and still striving for a big contract. He may want to be on a contender, but who doesn't? This doesn't meana player should act like a fool and think that everyone is just going to appease his silly actions (i.e. Brandon Marshall before the season started).

I'm still surprised that everyone is hung up on Jack's contract. it really is not that bad. Right now he is making less than 8 million. He had a down season last year and still averaged 20-points-per-game. Sure down the road he'll be more expensive, but the Spurs have always done a good job of moving bad contracts. Jack will still be more effective over the next three seasons with Duncan than other players we could trade for.

Yes a buyout from Golden State would work much much better, but Jack can improve our chances of winning this year. I'd rather make the trade now than later so we have a longer time to work.

It's not so much of it being a terrible contract then wondering what the Spurs could get for that same amount of money after the season. We all know the Spurs are good at picking up cheap vets to cover their needs in the offseason. Again, Manu (if he stays healthy) and Splitter (if he comes over) are likely going to be first priority at the end of the season. Having Jackson only complicates what the Spurs can do at the end of the year.

I'm with you on that. He is cheap for the next two seasons after that is where he gets expensive. Seriously wouldn't he provide more than all those three players combined?

Do you have any idea if the Spurs are looking at him at all? And yes I would rather do the trade now that wait around until later. He would also help a lot more with injuries. Look at Finley and Mason Jr. right now. What exactly are they providing us the last two games? Pretty much nothing.

I agree that he could do more than what Finley and Mason Jr. talentwise, but I am sure if the FO doesn't act, then they don't want to have to deal with SJackson's attitude/issues. There was a reason why they didn't re-sign him in the first place when we had a chance.

Besides, the Spurs MO has been to wait and see how the team gels together before making any additional moves. And with all the moves made in the offseason, I would have to think that they may not make any signficant moves unless the Spurs are really looking like they need another player. We will see what happens.

iilluzioN

11-13-2009, 02:38 AM

Why not keep Bonner?

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mountainballer

11-13-2009, 03:02 AM

Why would the Bulls give us Salmons??????

If Jackson had a shorter contract then he would probably already be traded to another contender. We only have a chance at SJax right now because he has a contract that no one wants a part of.

Salmons on the other hand is even cheaper. No way the Bulls give him to us for what we might get SJax for.

That is a bad post.

I don't see why you have a such problem, that someone mentions a player "like Salmons" as a better target for the Spurs. when I read "like Salmons" I think about a player, who is on a MLE type contract and has just 2 more years on this contract. and who has more role player potential than Sjax.
(unbelievable how some see Sjax take the role of the 5th option on this team, when he already struggled to accept a 3rd option role).
however, it's right that Salmons is not on the market and if he was, the Spurs likely don't have what the Bulls seek.
nonetheless the Spurs tried to get Salmons at last deadline.
so they felt that a player like Slamons would be the right addition.
when thinking about possible moves of the Spurs, there is more logic to look what players are like Salmons (or on contracts like him), than claiming that Sjax would be the best move.

btw. there is a good chance that the Bulls will put Salmons on the market at deadline.
why? Slamons has a ETO for next year. there is a very good chance that he will opt out, at 30 he will look for his last long term contract and he will get at least MLE offers.
Bulls will be a big player in the 2010 free agency and all experts see realistic chances that they get one of the 3 prices. but they need to take care that they get enough room for a max offer. they might be forced to drop Salmons rights, because the cap hold of his rights in case he opts out is high enough to sabotage a max offer. the Bulls might decide to trade Salmons at deadline and get back a decent return and that way avoid a problematic situation for free agency.

Mavs<Spurs

11-13-2009, 03:20 AM

Mason + Bonner or Mason + Mahinmi for SJax, I would do in a heart beat.

Salmons isn't the player SJax is, imo. I don't like the trajectory of Salmons' shot for one. It's way too flat.

Stephen Jackson can guard multiple positions, including difficult covers like Dirk Nowinski.

For a wing, he is really great at assists and makes his whole team better. I think he has shown good leadership qualities.

He is a clutch 3 point shooter and plays with poise under pressure.

He is just a flat-out baller.

I would love to have him back on our team.

I wouldn't give up McDyess, Hill, Duncan, Parker, Ginobili, Blair, for him.

Mason, Finely, Bonner, Mahinmi are expendable.

As an earlier poster pointed out, Pop does love to go small and SJax would be a huge asset in such a situation.

I really like our team now. But SJax would improve our chances. I would take his 3 ball over Bonner's in a pressure situation, any time.

With Artest and Kobe, that is hard on our wings to deal with.

Bogans is too small for Artest. Artest, normally, unless he is just lucky, is not a good 3 point shooter. But posting up, he's a beast because he is just so damn big and strong.

We can deal with this by putting Jefferson on Artest, but then who guards Kobe ? Who is our starting 2 guard ? Mason ? Finely ? Do we put Blair on Artest and Jefferson on Kobe ? But then who guards Pau and who guards Bynum ? Do we go big and have McDyess, Duncan, Blair, Jefferson and Parker ?

OTOH, with SJax, we could go Parker, Jefferson, SJax, McDyess and Duncan.

And for small ball for shorter time periods (limiting Manu's minutes) -
we could go :

Parker, Ginobili, Jefferson, SJax, Duncan.

Jefferson is a strong rebounder, SJax has the size, strength and athletic ability to be a good rebounder, Duncan is a great defensive rebounder, and Ginobili can rebound relatively well on occasion.

SJax is a good defender as well.

If SJax were a little bit younger, then I would even consider trading Manu for him (out of fear that Manu might possibly have enough injury issues to limit his future productivity and marginalize him).

SJax stats seem to indicate that he appears (to the viewer) to be a better player than he really is. I hate players who shoot in the low 40's. SJax appears to have a career field goal shooting percentage of 41.8% . His career average rebounding is 3.8 per game. His career assist average is only 3.2 assists per game.

So, the numbers aren't in his favor.

Nevertheless, I would still make either of the two trades above.

Please_dont_ban_me

11-13-2009, 03:27 AM

I love him.

Absolutely love his heart and his game. Bring him back PLEASE.

antimvp

11-13-2009, 04:49 AM

I am sure nellie and pop are talking about this..........may come sooner than later.

Mavs<Spurs

11-13-2009, 05:14 AM

buttsR4rebounding

11-13-2009, 05:23 AM

Matt Bonner would fit within Nellie's scheme in a way- a big that spreads the floor, shoots 3s at a high percentage. He and Mason are not yet in their 30's. And if Jackson doesn't want to be there... It's not that likely I guess, but if he can be had for Mason + Bonner, you have to do it.

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Please put this BULLSHIT in the political forum. Some of us come here to get away from this crap. If you can't respect the format of the forum please go somewhere else.

Mavs<Spurs

11-13-2009, 05:46 AM

Please put this BULLSHIT in the political forum. Some of us come here to get away from this crap. If you can't respect the format of the forum please go somewhere else.

Apparently, those FACTS bothered you.

Posting a positive picture of what one supports or political leaders one supports in one's signature is not controversial . Why not simply put a pic of Palin or Huckabee or Romney in one's signature if one is a conservative ? Why post a negative image of a political leader others here support for the purpose of attacking him in the Spurs basketball forum ? It's looking for trouble.

Posting negative images of the President in one's signature is inviting this type of response. Even among white, male Southerners, there are some here who are Democrats who support the President.

Statements under one's name like "What an Obamanation !" or negative pictures which appear in the Spurs forum begin the problem. The post with those images was a direct response to the hostile post of the previous poster in this Spurs basketball forum. That person could have posted positive images of their political leaders whom they support. He didn't have to post a negative image of a political leader he opposed. And he did so, again, in the Spurs basketball forum. I made my point. So, I removed those images.

I wouldn't have a problem if someone wanted to post a positive picture of McCain or Palin or whomever. Nor would I respond to that. I don't post images attacking other people's political leaders here in my sig because it is unnecessarily rude and divisive. And I expect others to do the same.

Kamnik

11-13-2009, 06:01 AM

I for one really don't want Jackson on the Spurs. His behaviour is like one of a spoiled child.

The Anti Spur!

Mavs<Spurs

11-13-2009, 06:06 AM

I for one really don't want Jackson on the Spurs. His behaviour is like one of a spoiled child.

The Anti Spur!

Maybe I am not remembering this correctly, but I didn't think that he had any major behavior issues while he was a Spur.

I think that on this team, with Pop and Tim, SJax would behave himself.

Ice009

11-13-2009, 06:59 AM

I don't see why you have a such problem, that someone mentions a player "like Salmons" as a better target for the Spurs. when I read "like Salmons" I think about a player, who is on a MLE type contract and has just 2 more years on this contract. and who has more role player potential than Sjax.
(unbelievable how some see Sjax take the role of the 5th option on this team, when he already struggled to accept a 3rd option role).
however, it's right that Salmons is not on the market and if he was, the Spurs likely don't have what the Bulls seek.
nonetheless the Spurs tried to get Salmons at last deadline.
so they felt that a player like Slamons would be the right addition.
when thinking about possible moves of the Spurs, there is more logic to look what players are like Salmons (or on contracts like him), than claiming that Sjax would be the best move.

btw. there is a good chance that the Bulls will put Salmons on the market at deadline.
why? Slamons has a ETO for next year. there is a very good chance that he will opt out, at 30 he will look for his last long term contract and he will get at least MLE offers.
Bulls will be a big player in the 2010 free agency and all experts see realistic chances that they get one of the 3 prices. but they need to take care that they get enough room for a max offer. they might be forced to drop Salmons rights, because the cap hold of his rights in case he opts out is high enough to sabotage a max offer. the Bulls might decide to trade Salmons at deadline and get back a decent return and that way avoid a problematic situation for free agency.

True. maybe I was a bit harsh and I apologize.

I just think there is no chance of getting Salmons and I thought there was no point in mentioning obtaining him.

I am sure the Spurs would have preferred SJax over Salmons last season too, but the price would have been a lot higher than it is now.

Mel_13

11-16-2009, 11:17 AM

Disgruntled Golden State Warriors forward Stephen Jackson is about to make a fresh start with a new team.

The Warriors completed a deal Monday that sends Jackson and guard Acie Law to the Bobcats in exchange for veteran swingmen Raja Bell and Vladimir Radmanovic.

The trade will be announced Monday. The Cleveland Cavaliers had long been considered the favorites to land the Warriors' former captain in the wake of Jackson's trade demand late in the summer, when Jackson announced that he hoped to be dealt to the Cavaliers, New York Knicks or one of the three Texas teams.

But ESPN.com reported earlier this month that Charlotte had quietly registered serious interest in Jackson and could not be dismissed as a threat to acquire him.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4659552

MaNu4Tres

11-16-2009, 11:21 AM

Now only if Bobcats can get Diaw to stay off the french fries.

ElNono

11-16-2009, 11:21 AM

Bobcats? What happened with the contender talk?
Is he going to bitch in Charlotte now?

loveforthegame

11-16-2009, 11:38 AM

That's too funny. I wonder how long it is before he starts bitching about not being sent to a contender.

exstatic

11-16-2009, 11:41 AM

Bobcats? What happened with the contender talk?
Is he going to bitch in Charlotte now?

My guess is yes. This rumor had legs like a week ago, and I think he already said he didn't want to go there. Nellie is a dick, but LB is an absolute martinet. Jack is going to wish he never opened this can of worms. WTF is Jordan thinking?

hater

11-16-2009, 11:44 AM

I predict he will refuse to travel and report to Charlotte

mountainballer

11-16-2009, 11:49 AM

Spurs Brazil

11-16-2009, 12:03 PM

Now, let's talk with Warriors about Bell

mountainballer

11-16-2009, 12:17 PM

Now, let's talk with Warriors about Bell

Azubuike is out till at least Februray. Bell in fact makes the most sense in the whole deal. and Bogans didn't look bad lately.

kobyz

11-16-2009, 12:18 PM

now it's obvious that we could have him for Bonner+Mason

Mel_13

11-16-2009, 12:27 PM

I predict he will refuse to travel and report to Charlotte

"He's happy about the trade, delighted about the trade," Jackson's agent, Mark Stevens, told Sheridan. "This is what he wanted, a new start, and this gives him a chance to compete. Plus, he's a huge fan of that team's president, Michael Jordan." Stevens also said Jackson was expected to be in uniform for the Bobcats on Monday night against Orlando.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4659552

ElNono

11-16-2009, 12:39 PM

I can't wait for people to start posting his numbers in Charlotte every time we lose a game... NOT! :lol

SpursRulez4eVeR

11-16-2009, 02:59 PM

"This is what he wanted, a new start, and this gives him a chance to compete. Plus, he's a huge fan of that team's president, Michael Jordan."

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4659552

total contradiction of what he said about goint to a contender ...so forget about that and go suck MJ's dick...lmao

loveforthegame

11-16-2009, 03:02 PM

I thought Bell was out with an injury?

SpursRulez4eVeR

11-16-2009, 03:08 PM

I thought Bell was out with an injury?

yea he already returned for a few games and "playing with the injury"

Muser

11-16-2009, 03:11 PM

Didn't the Charlotte GM have the hots for Mahinmi?...:lol

CGD

11-16-2009, 04:13 PM

:rollin
yeah. what a disaster of a trade. Stephen "I want to play for a contender and I don't want to play for the Bobcats" Jackson ends up in Charlotte. have fun with Larry Brown Sjax!
and the Warriors couldn't even get back just expiring contracts (Radman expires 2011).
they need to take back 15 million $ for 2 years of freaking Radmanovic!!!

Actually Raja is an expiring contract... This is a good financial move by the Warriors. I think Radmanovic will actually do well in Nellie's system. In a worse case, he's gone next year while SJax would still be bitching for 3 more years after this one.

Bobcats on the other hand are saddled by yet another long-term contract extending to 2012-13 (Diop :vomit: , Diaw :rolleyes , and Wallace).

Are the Bobcats the new Knicks?

coyotes_geek

11-16-2009, 06:26 PM

Well only time will tell if the bobcats will be intereted in moving Jack at the deadline. I'm pretty sure better offers were on the table but the warriors didn't wabt to give Jak what he wanted.

So the warriors decided spiting SJax was worth hurting their team by not taking a better offer? Highly unlikely. The much more likely scenario is that no contending team wanted any part of him, his attitude or his contract.

HarlemHeat37

11-16-2009, 06:33 PM

Golden State wins either way, they got rid of his long contract..

DPG21920

11-16-2009, 06:34 PM

Not to mention Raja Bell and Rad should fit in well in GS.

coyotes_geek

11-16-2009, 06:38 PM

Golden State wins either way, they got rid of his long contract..

Not to mention Raja Bell and Rad should fit in well in GS.

Agree with both of you. Good deal for GS.

#2!

11-16-2009, 07:17 PM

best part about all this?

Texas A&M's Acie Law will now be backing up his Texas counterpart in DJ Augustine.:lol

coyotes_geek

11-16-2009, 07:29 PM

Well Big Z for Jack was on the table last night. That is basically a slary dump. Also on the table was Delonte West, who is better than Bell or Rad. From a Warriors' point of view they probably would rather ship this guy who has been causing trouble somewhere he doesn't want to go instead of making a slightly better deal and sending him to a contender.

Neither of those deals are better than what Charlotte was offering. Big Z is about as polar an opposite to Nellie ball as a player can get, and Delonte West would only find himself sitting on the bench watching Monta Ellis and Stephen Curry play. Radmanovic is tailor made for Nellie ball and Raja Bell is a good enough 3 point shooter to where he'll fit in just fine as well. Both those guys are going to end up playing far more minutes for the W's this year than Z or West would have.

DPG21920

11-16-2009, 07:30 PM

I actually think it was a good fit for the Bobacts to a certain degree. Long term it makes no sense, but when you look at Crash and Jax and Diaw, their games complement each other pretty well.

Tyson Chandler playing well would certainly help, but I doubt that happens. Felton/DJ is solid and Jax can handle the ball as well as Diaw. They have a versatile line up.

FeZZy

11-16-2009, 07:34 PM

now only if they still had okafor they'd be pretty good but they only have the alleyoop guy with no post game

ajballer4

11-16-2009, 07:45 PM

best part about all this?

Texas A&M's Acie Law will now be backing up his Texas counterpart in DJ Augustine.:lol

isnt felton the back-up?

grjr

11-17-2009, 03:55 AM

I did say that Big Z was a salary dump. 10 million off the books after the season. As for West, he is better than people give him credit for. He would be a great 3rd guard in a run and gun system.

http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb258/hdm51/I-see-what-you-did-there.jpg

mountainballer

11-17-2009, 05:39 AM

Neither of those deals are better than what Charlotte was offering. Big Z is about as polar an opposite to Nellie ball as a player can get, and Delonte West would only find himself sitting on the bench watching Monta Ellis and Stephen Curry play. Radmanovic is tailor made for Nellie ball and Raja Bell is a good enough 3 point shooter to where he'll fit in just fine as well. Both those guys are going to end up playing far more minutes for the W's this year than Z or West would have.

don't agree about Radmanovic, but let's see. tailor made? maybe the Radmanovic from 2004, but the last years not so much. and he isn't the type of cancer like Sjax was, but he also isn't exactly a locker room genius. being on the 5th team in 4 years also won't help to increase his motivation to a somehow acceptable level. he will play behind Randolph (maybe also Maggette) and when Brandan Wright is back, he will also jump ahead in the rotation. so, I don't see Radmanovic play a significant role with the Warriors, but he still inhibits any chance for the Warriors to become a player in the 2010 free agency. the Radmanovic acquisition will look very ugly in some weeks. just my 2 cents.

coyotes_geek

11-17-2009, 01:35 PM

don't agree about Radmanovic, but let's see. tailor made? maybe the Radmanovic from 2004, but the last years not so much. and he isn't the type of cancer like Sjax was, but he also isn't exactly a locker room genius. being on the 5th team in 4 years also won't help to increase his motivation to a somehow acceptable level. he will play behind Randolph (maybe also Maggette) and when Brandan Wright is back, he will also jump ahead in the rotation. so, I don't see Radmanovic play a significant role with the Warriors, but he still inhibits any chance for the Warriors to become a player in the 2010 free agency. the Radmanovic acquisition will look very ugly in some weeks. just my 2 cents.

I don't see a huge drop off in his game over the last 5 years. Yeah, his minutes have gone down, but his shooting percentages are still in line. With the money they've already got tied up in Ellis, Biedrins and Maggette I don't think the W's were looking to be big players in 2010 anyways.

mountainballer

11-18-2009, 06:30 AM

I don't see a huge drop off in his game over the last 5 years. Yeah, his minutes have gone down, but his shooting percentages are still in line. With the money they've already got tied up in Ellis, Biedrins and Maggette I don't think the W's were looking to be big players in 2010 anyways.

not on first sight, but see what is just happening: reportedly Monta is the next to demand a trade. if they decide to just re start (likely the best idea in the current situation) and build around Curry, Randolph and Biedrins (and a top pick from the 2010 draft), they could have become a player in the 2010 free agency. dumping Sjax AND Ellis for expiring contracts would have put them about 18 million under the cap.

btw. when it rains it pours.....
Bell was thought to replace the injured Azubuike.
what happens: Bell decides to undergo wrist surgery!

http://twitter.com/PDcavsinsider/status/5800544908
Don Nelson said they'll dress 8 but Raja Bell is emer. player. Bell is going to get the surgery on his wrist he put off in CHA