Tim Duncan Leading NBA in PER

[Galileo]

Player Efficiency Rating

1. Tim Duncan-SAS 36.5
2. Kobe Bryant-LAL 34.6
3. Carmelo Anthony-DEN 34.3
4. Brook Lopez-NJN 32.7
5. Andrew Bynum-LAL 32.6
6. Richard Hamilton-DET 31.5
7. Jeff Green-OKC 29.7
8. LeBron James-CLE 29.4
9. Deron Williams-UTA 29.0
10. Marcus Camby-LAC 28.5
11. Gilbert Arenas-WAS 28.0
12. Ty Lawson-DEN 27.9
13. Dirk Nowitzki-DAL 27.5
14. Kevin Martin-SAC 27.3
15. Rudy Fernandez-POR 27.0
16. Steve Nash-PHO 26.6
17. David West-NOH 26.6
18. Rajon Rondo-BOS 25.3
19. Dwyane Wade-MIA 25.3
20. Paul Pierce-BOS 23.9

http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2010_leaders.html

[duncan228]

Thanks Galileo. I'm quoting this in the Duncan Forum.

[PDXSpursFan]

Too early. All stats are meaningless until at least 10 games.

[Thompson]

I wish we had Brook Lopez next to Duncan. Oh well.

[the crimson blur]

Blair also has a great PER right now but his minutes are too low for him to qualify.

PER doesn't mean much until the sample is bigger though.

[TIMMYD!]

Blair also has a great PER right now but his minutes are too low for him to qualify.

PER doesn't mean much until the sample is bigger though.

It's great to see Tim leading but I agree.

[SA210]

Won't last

[Mel_13]

Won't last

Not in 1st, but near the top.

Last 3 years:
6th
6th
5th

[TDMVPDPOY]

they can give him the mvp now

[AussieFanKurt]

not really surprising

[mookie2001]

Thanks Galileo. I'm quoting this in the Duncan Forum.
only in America...

[SA210]

Not in 1st, but near the top.

Last 3 years:
6th
6th
5th

I hope he stays in top 5.

[booonkers]

Good job Timmy! What old? :)

[dbreiden83080]

I'm sold hand Timmy the League MVP right now..:p:

[Wildcat67]

People said Shaq was done about 5 years ago. Could we end up having TD longer then any of us think?

[Mel_13]

People said Shaq was done about 5 years ago. Could we end up having TD longer then any of us think?


TD will likely be able to play as long as Shaq.

The real question is: will he want to?

[Baseline]

Bryant was 6-19 last night and stunk up the court. How is he possibly #2 ?

[Galileo]

Bryant was 6-19 last night and stunk up the court. How is he possibly #2 ?

New leaders, same link, Kobe is out of the top 20:

Player Efficiency Rating

1. Marc Gasol-MEM 38.2
2. Tim Duncan-SAS 37.4
3. Dwight Howard-ORL 37.0
4. Carmelo Anthony-DEN 35.2
5. Chris Paul-NOH 32.4
6. Jermaine O'Neal-MIA 31.6
7. LeBron James-CLE 31.5
8. Josh Smith-ATL 31.2
9. Dwyane Wade-MIA 31.2
10. Joakim Noah-CHI 30.7
11. Paul Pierce-BOS 29.0
12. Danilo Gallinari-NYK 28.7
13. Zach Randolph-MEM 28.7
14. Rudy Fernandez-POR 27.7
15. Chris Bosh-TOR 27.5
16. Emeka Okafor-NOH 27.0
17. Brook Lopez-NJN 26.9
18. Paul Millsap-UTA 26.9
19. Ben Gordon-DET 26.4
20. Steve Nash-PHO 26.3

http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2010_leaders.html

btw - Duncan's rating went up without playing, how can that happen?

Is it a strength of opponent factor?

[Chomag]

TD will likely be able to play as long as Shaq.

The real question is: will he want to?

I agree. I honestly don't think Timmy would want to play that much longer even if he could still play. He just come across as to me as someone who gets bored easly, and by that time would probably be wanting to pursue other interests.

[duncan228]

TD will likely be able to play as long as Shaq.

The real question is: will he want to?

I'm convinced Duncan retires in 2012 no matter what happens with the team between now and then. I hope I'm wrong, I'd like to see him play forever, but I think he's done. I thought he was pretty clear about it in training camp.


I know the window for me is closing. I've got a couple years left on my career. Hopefully, I can end strong.

It has nothing to do with his game, barring injury he could probably play for years. He wants to go out while his game is still strong. His family is young, he wants time with them. I think he's done with the grind of the schedule.

[Galileo]

I'm convinced Duncan retires in 2012 no matter what happens with the team between now and then. I hope I'm wrong, I'd like to see him play forever, but I think he's done. I thought he was pretty clear about it in training camp.



It has nothing to do with his game, barring injury he could probably play for years. He wants to go out while his game is still strong. His family is young, he wants time with them. I think he's done with the grind of the schedule.

Duncan is not going to retire in 2012, barring serious injury.

* Duncan LOVES playing basketball.

* In 5 years, Duncan will still be all-star quality, given how few quality big men there are in the NBA.

* After 2012, Duncan will sign a new contract for lower money, freeing up salary cap space to keep the team good.

* The Spurs look to be a good team for another 5 years:

* TP is still a fairly young player, improving his shooting as he gradually slows down.

* Blair looks like all-star material for next season, and may be hall-of fame material.

* Mahimni might still develop, and get his contract picked up.

* Splitteri is going to be here eventually.

* Jefferson could re-sign for lower dough, he is only 29.

* Hill looks like a potential all-star.

* Bonner is still improving.

If the Spurs are still a good team, Tim will stay.

[FromWayDowntown]

btw - Duncan's rating went up without playing, how can that happen?

Is it a strength of opponent factor?

Because the PER calculation depends, in part, on calculating league-wide constants (like Pace) that change as teams play games. As the league-wide Pace number is recalculated on a daily basis, a player's PER is affected, whether he plays or not.

There are a variety of other factors that go into it; I don't think strength of schedule has anything to do with it, though.

[duncan228]

Hope you're right Galileo. But I don't think it has anything to do with the team. It's a personal decision. And, yes, he loves playing and "gets up for pick-up games," but it sounds to me like he's already made the decision to move on. He wants to win, he wants another Title, but whether that happens or not I don't think he'll continue with the grind of the schedule and his knees after this contract.

We'll have to wait and see what he does.

[Baseline]

I'm going to split the difference between Duncan228 and Galileo. I think Tim will play three more years, and possibly a fourth year depending on how good the team is.

Yes, I think it will be a personal decision. Tim is a fiercely competitive guy, but he's also from the Caribbean, so he understands quality of life and how important that is. If his knees are too far gone, he'll hang it up and never look back. He's a cerebral guy, so he knows he's had a great career, but he isn't an egotistical maniac who feels he has something to prove at this point.

I pray he gets a fifth ring, or even a sixth. Absolutely nobody is more deserving.

It will be a long, long time before this league sees another player - and person - like Tim Duncan. We are so fortunate to have him.

[duncan228]

I'm going to split the difference between Duncan228 and Galileo. I think Tim will play three more years, and possibly a fourth year depending on how good the team is.

Yes, I think it will be a personal decision. Tim is a fiercely competitive guy, but he's also from the Caribbean, so he understands quality of life and how important that is. If his knees are too far gone, he'll hang it up and never look back. He's a cerebral guy, so he knows he's had a great career, but he isn't an egotistical maniac who feels he has something to prove at this point.

I pray he gets a fifth ring, or even a sixth. Absolutely nobody is more deserving.

It will be a long, long time before this league sees another player - and person - like Tim Duncan. We are so fortunate to have him.

Nicely said. Duncan is one-of-a-kind, it's been a joy watching him play.

[Galileo]

Duncan will play as long as he is good enough to start for a playoff contending team.

In 5 years, he will still be a quality big man.

He won't be quick enough or have the energy to do his post move drive into the lane more than once or twice a game and will be slow going up and down the court. He won;t be able to handle young star big men in the low post one-on-one.

But he will still be tall with long arms. He will still be a good rebounder and decent shot-blocker. He will still be great at team defense. He will still be a great passer and a great bank shooter. He will still be a double-double producer. He will still set picks.

All the Spurs need is one young star for him to team with down the road, it could be Blair.

They complimet each other perfectly, as Bliar is great on the offensive boards and Tim is great on the defensive boards, and Tim can teach Blair how to playbasketball.

[duncan228]

Galileo, I'm just curious. How do you interpret this?


I know the window for me is closing. I've got a couple years left on my career. Hopefully, I can end strong.

[Galileo]

Galileo, I'm just curious. How do you interpret this?

It is just modest rhetoric.

[Galileo]

As of right now:

Player Efficiency Rating

1. Dwight Howard-ORL 36.3
2. Marreese Speights-PHI 35.9
3. Carmelo Anthony-DEN 34.3
4. Tim Duncan-SAS 31.8
5. Chris Paul-NOH 31.5
6. Jermaine O'Neal-MIA 31.0
7. Brandon Roy-POR 30.8
8. Josh Smith-ATL 30.5
9. Dwyane Wade-MIA 30.4
10. Andray Blatche-WAS 30.3
11. Louis Williams-PHI 29.4
12. Paul Pierce-BOS 28.3
13. Zach Randolph-MEM 28.0
14. LeBron James-CLE 27.8
15. Gilbert Arenas-WAS 27.8
16. Ben Gordon-DET 27.1
17. Chris Bosh-TOR 26.8
18. Emeka Okafor-NOH 26.5
19. Danilo Gallinari-NYK 26.2
20. Steve Nash-PHO 25.6

http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2010_leaders.html

Duncan per 36 minutes:

20.1 points
14.1 boards
2.7 assists
1.8 blocks
1.8 steals
1.8 TO's

[SA210]

I hope he stays in top 5.

I take this back. Truth is, he should be in Top 3, period!

[TIMMYD!]

When someone has been in the league as long as he has and can still put up these kind of numbers, it's just incredible.

[mystargtr34]

I try not to look at PER or most stats until about 10 games in, wait for the trash to get out of he Top 20.

[mystargtr34]

BTW George Hill is ranked 3rd out of PG's and 19th total with a PER of 25.85 :lol

[NZ Spurs]

* Blair looks like all-star material for next season, and may be hall-of fame material.


:lmao

[Agloco]

Duncan is not going to retire in 2012, barring serious injury.

* Duncan LOVES playing basketball.

* In 5 years, Duncan will still be all-star quality, given how few quality big men there are in the NBA.

* After 2012, Duncan will sign a new contract for lower money, freeing up salary cap space to keep the team good.

* The Spurs look to be a good team for another 5 years:

* TP is still a fairly young player, improving his shooting as he gradually slows down.

* Blair looks like all-star material for next season, and may be hall-of fame material.

* Mahimni might still develop, and get his contract picked up.

* Splitteri is going to be here eventually.

* Jefferson could re-sign for lower dough, he is only 29.

* Hill looks like a potential all-star.

* Bonner is still improving.

If the Spurs are still a good team, Tim will stay.

I'll be the first to admit my man-crush on Blair, but I've gotta see him get a lot better on the defensive end before I get wet in the pants on that level.

[Galileo]

Duncan's PER is up to 29, he is almost caught up to Lebron, and is way ahead of third place.

In NBA effiency per 48 minutes, Duncan has broken 40, and is way out in first place, with Lebron almost 3 points behind.

Tim also had a +30 plus/minus last night at the Bucks game, he has now almost cracked the top 50 in +/1.

I was at the game (in the spirit of Christmas, I gave ny extra ticket to a homeless person). Duncan looked amazing, he hit bank shots like they were layups. He should have lost the 15 pounds 3 years ago.

Throw everything else out, Duncan's health is the most important factor for # 5.

It was not too early to post about Duncan's PER.

[blkroadrunners]

I'm curious to see how his PER will be like at the end of the season. He's playing great right now though; this is probably the best we've seen out of him since maybe 2002 (?) on an efficiency standpoint.

[BillMc]

I'm convinced Duncan retires in 2012 no matter what happens with the team between now and then. I hope I'm wrong, I'd like to see him play forever, but I think he's done. I thought he was pretty clear about it in training camp.



It has nothing to do with his game, barring injury he could probably play for years. He wants to go out while his game is still strong. His family is young, he wants time with them. I think he's done with the grind of the schedule.

You are almost certainly right, you know your stuff. But I really, really hope you're wrong. I want to see Timmy do a "Kareem" and push 40 before he's done. Not sure his knees, family or eventual retirement of Pop will allow that to happen though.

[polandprzem]

You are almost certainly right, you know your stuff. But I really, really hope you're wrong. I want to see Timmy do a "Kareem" and push 40 before he's done. Not sure his knees, family or eventual retirement of Pop will allow that to happen though.

He will have braces all over his body and gonna kick PER stats leading the leauge !


hey to me it's almost laughable that tim has so great efficiency - big part this year is his FT%

[TIMMYD!]

He will have braces all over his body and gonna kick PER stats leading the leauge !


hey to me it's almost laughable that tim has so great efficiency - big part this year is his FT%

He's been excellent at the FT Line and is shooting 78%.