my thoughts: shawn marion... makes the mavs a more clutch team?

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sounds funny, but its true.

over the past few years, the mavs had to work hard for each and every point, and down the stretch, that will wear you down in a game and make it a lot harder to execute. not to mention, the only guys they could trust to create offense in the clutch was Dirk and Terry. it would basically turn into 2-on-5 because no one else knew how to really feed off of them for easy buckets.

during the few years the suns were good, their specialty on offense was that all they could do was get layups and dunks. easy buckets. but when defenses would clamp down, no one was capable of creating offense.

now the mavs still have their guys who can work and create offense, but having marion adds another dimension in which they can get easy buckets when the defense is focused on stopping Dirk and Terry.

marion's presence should definitely have a positive effect down the stretch for the mavs, in his ability to move without the ball and get easy buckets.

mavs have all the potential in the world. lets hope they build on this win and keep improving. they have a long ways to go.

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also... great pick set by dirk. clean pick, and he showed some of his "enforcer" side... the little we see anyways. it was great to see that, after the way brown started turning into a cocky chump because he thought he got a steal off of kidd. hopefully we see more of that.

[Def Rowe]

LMAO @ the Jason Hervey avatar.

[hater]

best thing about Marion on the mavs is that he blows vs. Spurs on playoffs. :tu

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no bruce bowen

yall are fucked

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seriously. its going to be a matchup nightmare for the spurs if they see the mavs

no one has a shot in hell against dirk

no one has ever been able to guard howard

terry torches the spurs

barea seems to give the spurs fits

kidd plays solid against the spurs

and now you add marion to the equation

spurs are

F
U
C
K
FUCKED
FUCKED
FUCKED

[Cant_Be_Faded]

best thing about Marion on the mavs is that he blows vs. Spurs on playoffs. :tu

capt. obv. also beware bowen guarded him thru much of his suckiness



I think Marion improves the mavs greatly. He is one of the best rebounding 3s in the league. Where I see a problem is that Carlisle is going to end up betraying his own philosphy yet again to win games short term, going quick fast small ball, and mavs are going to blow ass in the playoffs yet again.

They are not a threat to the Lakers steamrolling a dynasty in any way unless their coach somehow gets them to play hardcore D without Cuban interferring in huddles to get them to score more points.

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I think Marion improves the mavs greatly. He is one of the best rebounding 3s in the league. Where I see a problem is that Carlisle is going to end up betraying his own philosphy yet again to win games short term, going quick fast small ball, and mavs are going to blow ass in the playoffs yet again.

why would carlisle do that?

sure, he loves barea and has done some of the threeguard shit (not tonight though), but i think he was forced to do that a lot last year because of the ineptitude of the rest of the 2s and 3s on the team, as well as howards injury. i doubt we see much of that crap at all against elite teams, unless their offense is absolutely sucking ass and he is just trying to find something to throw out there to get a jump start.

hes always been more of a traditional lineup kinda guy to me

just the three guard thing worked very well against the spurs last year

[Cant_Be_Faded]

why would carlisle do that?

just the three guard thing worked very well against the spurs last year
Carlisle did that last year because your lord and savior Cuban is in on every huddle and listens in on every team meeting and therefore thinks he is smart in the ways of basketball. He is far too rich and smart in other aspects to admit he does not know a god damn thing about the sport. He forced your team to adopt failing strategies year after year. You are right about the 2's and 3's, but the fact is the Mavs have alot of tools to become a pretty damn solid team. Defensively and rebounding wise. But you cannot run and gun constantly while doing all of that. And trust me. By all star break if you are not ahead of the pack, you will hear non stop all these side rumors about cuban being dissatisfied about the performance...mavs will go run-and-gun, win a shitload of games to finish the season, then fizzle hardcore in the playoffs because that shit doesn't work there.

It's common sense here, you being a mavs poster on spurstalk should be able to get a good grasp of the perspective of your team from the outside.



And dude, mavs smack about the spurs in regards to last year is totally whack and you know it. Popavich himself said to the press we were fucked and not contenders the day after Ginobili was out for the season. Your lord and savior Benefactor may tell you owning the spurs in the first round makes it all worth it, but logically we were the underdogs that series.

[vicphoenix13]

The problem with Marion is that he whines to the media if he isn't getting attention. In Phoenix, he complained about not getting the accolades that Nash and Stoudemire got. When he got his wish to be traded, his numbers went way down. Now that he's in Dallas, I hope he's been humbled enough to act like a good teammate.

[Chieflion]

Shawn Marion > Lakers. Nothing to be suprised about.

[phyzik]

seriously. its going to be a matchup nightmare for the spurs if they see the mavs

no one has a shot in hell against dirk

Duncan EASILY cancles him out

no one has ever been able to guard howard

Ginobilli has been injured, he EASILY cancels out Howard, if not Offensively, definately defensively

terry torches the spurs

We have RJ focusing on defense this year. People think of him as an offense-only player but thats only because he was forced to be. He can be an elite defensive player as a 4th option. even if he is mediocre, that will be good enough against the paper airplane.

barea seems to give the spurs fits

Spurs team defense will be MUCH better this year with the front court we have, you have to be fucking blind to deny that

kidd plays solid against the spurs

LOL, Parker fucking owns his ass, WTF are you thinking here?

and now you add marion to the equation.

Marion ALWAYS chokes against the Spurs, Bowen or not. Sorry.

Mavs are

F
U
C
K
FUCKED
FUCKED
FUCKED

:toast

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And dude, mavs smack about the spurs in regards to last year is totally whack and you know it. Popavich himself said to the press we were fucked and not contenders the day after Ginobili was out for the season. Your lord and savior Benefactor may tell you owning the spurs in the first round makes it all worth it, but logically we were the underdogs that series.

i wasnt talking smack you chode

i was just making a statement as to why it seemed carlisle used that lineup so much... because it was working against the spurs. its all about the matchups. in most cases it wont work, but it so happens that small ball is a spur weakness these days. especially when you got a guy like dirk on the team

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:toast

lol reaching

[badfish22]

:toast

cant wait until the first time we play you guys.
Hope marion just goes off.

[Goran Dragic]

What do you mean Marion always chokes against the Spurs Bowen or not? He's never played a Spurs team that doesn't have Bowen.

[Danny.Zhu]

You traded trash for an ex-All star. If you don't get more clutch you are shit.

[dirk4mvp]

What do you mean Marion always chokes against the Spurs Bowen or not? He's never played a Spurs team that doesn't have Bowen.

rofl

Do you think spurfan uses common sense in their posts about the Mavericks?

[ginobili's bald spot]

rofl

Do you think spurfan uses common sense in their posts?

Fixed.

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blade is el gay

[TDMVPDPOY]

another thread overrating a scrub

marion has never been known to be clutch, or a defensive stopper...dude is just a statpadder on a statpadding team suns then went to the heat had a shit year, no excuses for a shit year....now mavfans think his the shit that will make them a force? hahahhaha

[boston.balla]

marion is a good post scoring sf who lost some athleticism due to age. The fact that he fits well in dallas should not be underrated. At this point i think none but homboys overrate him.

[ElNono]

premature ejaculation thread

[Budkin]

seriously. its going to be a matchup nightmare for the spurs if they see the mavs

no one has a shot in hell against dirk

no one has ever been able to guard howard

terry torches the spurs

barea seems to give the spurs fits

kidd plays solid against the spurs

and now you add marion to the equation

spurs are

F
U
C
K
FUCKED
FUCKED
FUCKED

Wow talk about premature ejaculation.

[Spursmania]

Marion looks like he's going to fit in well with the Mavs.

[EmptyMan]

Marion is all hype. I want to see him try and challenge Finley on the post.



oh wait...:depressed

[Morg1411]

lol Mavericks hard-on thread

[mavs>spurs2]

sounds funny, but its true.

over the past few years, the mavs had to work hard for each and every point, and down the stretch, that will wear you down in a game and make it a lot harder to execute. not to mention, the only guys they could trust to create offense in the clutch was Dirk and Terry. it would basically turn into 2-on-5 because no one else knew how to really feed off of them for easy buckets.

during the few years the suns were good, their specialty on offense was that all they could do was get layups and dunks. easy buckets. but when defenses would clamp down, no one was capable of creating offense.

now the mavs still have their guys who can work and create offense, but having marion adds another dimension in which they can get easy buckets when the defense is focused on stopping Dirk and Terry.

marion's presence should definitely have a positive effect down the stretch for the mavs, in his ability to move without the ball and get easy buckets.

mavs have all the potential in the world. lets hope they build on this win and keep improving. they have a long ways to go.

Funny thing is, I was pretty much thinking this to myself last night during the game. When everyone starting keying in on Dirk and Terry, Maron scored something like 8 straight points when he came back into the game in the 4th. You're right he adds another dimension to this team that we haven't had since Jamison. Now if only we had a real center...

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

If Marion sticks to his role he might help Dallas in crunch time, the concern is when he tries to create for himself off the dribble. What he didn't have in Phoenix was a potent half court scorer like Dirk to take attention off him at the end of games. So far though he seems to be getting along with all of his teammates.

[badfish22]

Marion with a +37 last night :wow

We just killed it when he was in the game.

[pauls931]

Marion brings two things, mainly defense, then rebounding. Regular season he can score, but playoff time, he dissapears when the defense locks down. However I think for the Mavs, they have more than enough scorers and only need him for D and Rebounding.

I love the fact he guarded kobe, everyone bragged about bell being tough on D, but marion was always the best, except when he has to guard Odom.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

I love the fact he guarded kobe, everyone bragged about bell being tough on D, but marion was always the best, except when he has to guard Odom.


Damn fuckin right. It wasn't Marion's fault he couldn't guard Odom, Odom had 3-4 inches and 20-30 pounds on him. People (including myself), love to say the Suns "didn't play defense" from 2005-2007, but statistically they were a middle of the pack defensive team and when Marion left they went from middle of the pack to one of the worst.

[Allanon]

Kobe had a bad shooting night, it happens. I think Kobe will torch Marion the next time around.

Matrix was a great addition as I said in the pre-season, but I don't think he makes them any more clutch.

The Mavs as a team have to execute better in the fourth. They choked in the 4th when the Lakers got it down to 10 but it was the Lakers that choked at that point and the Mavs took advantage.

Mavs still have that 4th quarter choke tendency, the Lakers caught the choke last night, which is unusual.

[pauls931]

Damn fuckin right. It wasn't Marion's fault he couldn't guard Odom, Odom had 3-4 inches and 20-30 pounds on him. People (including myself), love to say the Suns "didn't play defense" from 2005-2007, but statistically they were a middle of the pack defensive team and when Marion left they went from middle of the pack to one of the worst.

I agree, he always got stuck with the worst assignment on D. They had no one to match with Odom's size and no way bell was guarding him. If it wasn't for that mismatch, none of those series would have been close.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

I agree, he always got stuck with the worst assignment on D. They had no one to match with Odom's size and no way bell was guarding him. If it wasn't for that mismatch, none of those series would have been close.


Not only did he get stuck with the worst assignment (or 2nd worst in some situations), he was the team's best help defender and the team's best rebounder. That's the thing about the Shaq, bringing him in isn't what hurt so much, Kerr making that trade completely ignoring the importance of Marion was worse.

[JMarkJohns]

Marion brings two things, mainly defense, then rebounding. Regular season he can score, but playoff time, he dissapears when the defense locks down. However I think for the Mavs, they have more than enough scorers and only need him for D and Rebounding.

I love the fact he guarded kobe, everyone bragged about bell being tough on D, but marion was always the best, except when he has to guard Odom.

His defense is lacking some, or at least was the last handful of years. He was always much more of an athlete than true defender, and now that his athleticism is in decline, his defense is suffering. Maybe Carlisle can get him to become more fundamental in approach and technique?

[pauls931]

His defense is lacking some, or at least was the last handful of years. He was always much more of an athlete than true defender, and now that his athleticism is in decline, his defense is suffering. Maybe Carlisle can get him to become more fundamental in approach and technique?

Maybe it's an illusion being on Dallas compared to the other players.