Another RINO bites the dust...

[Wild Cobra]

Doug Hoffman is now in the lead for the NY-23 special elections at 58% if I remember the numbers correctly from this morning. He is the conservative candidate endorced by Sarah Palin and other prominent conservatives. Dede Scozzafava, the republican candidate was polling at 20% and dropped out. I say she bit the dust, because she is now indorcing her democrat opponent, Bill Owens, who was polling at 36%. She now (in my opinion) has no political future unless she joins the democrat party. At least another RINO is pushed out of the republiccan party.

Hoffman was polling at 35% and is now sitting well to win.

[Winehole23]

That RINO was endorsed by 11 local precinct chairs, while her opponent does not even live in the district, knows nothing about it, and got 99% of his money from out of state.

Can you say carpetbagger?

[Winehole23]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/chris-kelly/bias-media-dirty-tricks-a_b_341141.html

[balli]

lol, the purge continues.

[MannyIsGod]

Would be nice to see a legitimate 3rd party rise up. I don't nessecarily think I'd like this particular one, but having a broader spectrum of representation is always a good thing.

I'm not sure who's going to win this special election. Its a really GOP friendly district and if a Democratic win is a longshot even with the GOP candidate throwing her weight behind the Democratic candidate.

Should help make for an interesting Tuesday.

[spursncowboys]

That RINO was endorsed by 11 local precinct chairs, while her opponent does not even live in the district, knows nothing about it, and got 99% of his money from out of state.

Can you say carpetbagger?
Sounds to me like a smoke filled room of RINO's decided to sneak in a Democrat. She even makes the case more difficult when she endorses the liberal running against the GOP.

[Winehole23]

If you keep driving people who are technically still Republicans out of your emaciated tribe, the people who vote for them may follow. Whatever happened to the big tent?

[hope4dopes]

That RINO was endorsed by 11 local precinct chairs, while her opponent does not even live in the district, knows nothing about it, and got 99% of his money from out of state.

Can you say carpetbagger? The idea that the centeral committes of either party are represenative of the people is ridiculous, even at a local level rank and file democrats and republicans are not active. The people are not active in politics yet, control over parties is being maintained by special interests in both parties. The fact that he's not being supported by the precint chairs makes him a more viable canidate for conservative republicans.In fact it is admirable that at least the republicans have a health dissent.

[Winehole23]

even at a local level rank and file democrats and republicans are not activeWho then is active at the local level, if not the local rank and file?

[Winehole23]

The people are not active in politics yet, control over parties is being maintained by special interests in both parties. So then, in your version the local GOP is "special interests", while the RNC,out of state pols and national PACS are the "grassroots" riding in on white horses to save upstate New York from its preferred style of Republican. Hilarious.

[spursncowboys]

If you keep driving people who are technically still Republicans out of your emaciated tribe, the people who vote for them may follow. Whatever happened to the big tent?
On Morning Joe, I forget his name but he said that in 2010 NY23 will be incorporated into a bunch of Dem districts and so GOP didn't want to give up a guy who would be out of a job in two years. I don't know how valid that is though.
As far as big tent, 40% of Americans consider themselves conservative. Also this is the district with the largest employer being Ft. Drum. Military towns, in my experience tend to be pretty socially conservative. They say this is a pretty conservative district, makes sense that the Dems would redistrict it out of existence.

[Winehole23]

As far as big tent, 40% of Americans consider themselves conservative.Only 17% consider themselves Republicans, and you want to make the party even smaller.

[Winehole23]

How many non-politicians or obscure state legislators are going to step up after this, knowing that in mid-race their party may abandon them? How does this grow a party that's been contracting among minorities and in virtually every region but the South?

[ElNono]

The RNC and NRCC actually supported Scozzafava up until her resignation a day or two ago. They were spending mad money on that campaign. I think we're going to see a lot more of this implosion on the Republican Party and honestly, Democrats have to be loving every bit of it. Even if they lose this relatively minor election.

[Winehole23]

Today's WSJ:


But that lesson will be for naught if conservatives conclude that their victory is reason to challenge any candidate who doesn't agree with them on every issue. The truth is that some conservatives are as bloody-minded and intolerant of all dissent as the hard left is at the Daily Kos. A majority political party requires a far more diverse coalition than the audience for your average right-wing blogger or talk show host. Some of those voices prefer having Democrats in power because it drives up their own ratings.


Democrats did themselves no favors by driving Joe Lieberman out of their party, and conservatives will do their cause no good by forcing GOP candidates in Illinois, California and Connecticut to sound like Tom DeLay. If conservatives now revolt against every GOP candidate who disagrees with them on trade, immigration or abortion, Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid will keep their majorities for a very long time.

[boutons_deux]

This kind of Stalinistic purging of Repug moderates, leaving the Repugs even more dominated by wing-nut right-wing hate mongers and "Christian" supremacists is why only 17% of US poll as identifying themselves as Repugs.

I love it. Repugs have no chance of winning shit in 2010.

[doobs]

Today's WSJ:

Yes, and the rest of that editorial was good, too.

[spursncowboys]

Only 17% consider themselves Republicans, and you want to make the party even smaller.
This IMO has nothing to do with big tent, since she was a liberal. I am ok with a big tent as long as republicans don't lose their main principles. Why would someone vote for democrat-lite?

[Winehole23]

Yes, and the rest of that editorial was good, too.http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703932904574509633956777194.html

[hope4dopes]

Who then is active at the local level, if not the local rank and file? In my experince the local members of the chamber of commerce,bussiness leaders,political junkies. The average american couldn't tell you who their represantive in the house is much less who sits on the board of their central committe.

[hope4dopes]

So then, in your version the local GOP is "special interests", while the RNC,out of state pols and national PACS are the "grassroots" riding in on white horses to save upstate New York from its preferred style of Republican. Hilarious. No the people that are putting him in the lead in N.Y, state 23 are the grassroots. And more hilarious is you talking about carpetbagging in N.Y. and not mentioning Hilary Clinton.

[doobs]

This strikes me as a very special case, and not really worth the national attention it's receiving. All jokes contain a kernel of truth, and the old jokes about the two parties was: Democrats fall in love, Republicans fall in line. Has that really changed?

It's possible. I think what we've seen here is an increasingly populist tone in Republican politics, all across the country. The local party bosses thought they could just ram home a "winning" candidate over the objections of conservative voters, but they clearly crossed the line. They may have been able to get away with this 10 years ago, but not anymore.

I'm sure they picked what's-her-face because they were looking ahead to reelection prospects in 2010. As someone who is pro-choice, pro-gay marriage, anti-death penalty---but does not prioritize those issues---I hope conservatives are mostly upset about the GOP's lack of fidelity to IMPORTANT issues, like taxes, trade, spending, and defense.

If social and cultural issues become the major points of contention within the GOP, Republicans can kiss libertarian support good-bye.

[Winehole23]

No the people that are putting him in the lead in N.Y, state 23 are the grassroots. And more hilarious is you talking about carpetbagging in N.Y. and not mentioning Hilary Clinton.Hilary Clinton has nothing to do with this.

[Winehole23]

If social and cultural issues become the major points of contention within the GOP, Republicans can kiss libertarian support good-bye.Yep.

[hope4dopes]

If you keep driving people who are technically still Republicans out of your emaciated tribe, the people who vote for them may follow. Whatever happened to the big tent? Well let's lift the cover of the DNC's tent, what do we got...A president
who is nearly a lame duck in his first term. He can't get health care passed, not because of Republicans since they are way in the minority, but because of democrats who won't support him. He can't make a decision on the Wars because he's trying to appease both sides of his party, He won't get cap and trade, or amnesty passed for the same reasons.Some big tent.A bunch of cannibals at a nudist colony.
The idea that some great american consenus was granted is as big a myth as Obama's massive I.Q. and the more we see of him, the more both myths are shattered.But it is a canadicy built on hype and bullshit, and so it remains.
So republicans are trying to rebuild themselves in a bloody coupe, and the democrats are burning candles at the the alter of a myth.

[MannyIsGod]

If social and cultural issues become the major points of contention within the GOP, Republicans can kiss libertarian support good-bye.

Wait, IF? That was the basis of their election wins through the past decade. I'm not sure what you're waiting for, but the GOP isn't, and hasnt' been for quite some time, anything like libertarians would like.

On one hand, neither party has practiced any sort of fiscal conservativism but the Democrats easily win if you look at social issues from a libertarian stand point.

Without the issue of gay marriage George W. Bush is a one term president.

[balli]

Well let's lift the cover of the DNC's tent, what do we got...A president
who is nearly a lame duck in his first term. He can't get health care passed, not because of Republicans since they are way in the minority, but because of democrats who won't support him. He can't make a decision on the Wars because he's trying to appease both sides of his party, He won't get cap and trade, or amnesty passed for the same reasons.Some big tent.A bunch of cannibals at a nudist colony.
The idea that some great american consenus was granted is as big a myth as Obama's massive I.Q. and the more we see of him, the more both myths are shattered.But it is a canadicy built on hype and bullshit, and so it remains.
So republicans are trying to rebuild themselves in a bloody coupe, and the democrats are burning candles at the the alter of a myth.
I didn't even read this dumbass screed/block of text, but fuck off. Is any of it? Any whatsoever, relevant to NY-23?

In other news LMFAO at the GOP:
Hoffman's lead is at 5 points with 18% undecided. The undecided have doubled from 9% to 18% since Scozzafava withdrew. The democrats could conceivably win this thing.

[spursncowboys]

Hoffman is on Beck's radio show right now.

[boutons_deux]

"not really worth the national attention it's receiving"

then why are all the Repug and "rogue" heavy hitters across the country weighing in to pillory and purge a Repug moderate in a solidly Repug district?

[doobs]

Wait, IF? That was the basis of their election wins through the past decade. I'm not sure what you're waiting for, but the GOP isn't, and hasnt' been for quite some time, anything like libertarians would like.

On one hand, neither party has practiced any sort of fiscal conservativism but the Democrats easily win if you look at social issues from a libertarian stand point.

Without the issue of gay marriage George W. Bush is a one term president.

Republicans have riled up the base since at least 1992 by pandering to the religious right. No argument here.

But there's a difference between politics and policy. Many libertarian-leaning conservatives have held their noses and voted Republican, mainly because their areas of agreement with the GOP outweigh the areas of disagreement. It's been tolerable so far---especially for people like me who do not care that much about social and cultural issues---because the social conservative agenda has not really accomplished much. (And because the Democrats suck so much.)

The ideological pairing of libertarians and conservatives is nothing groundbreaking.

[boutons_deux]

"Without the issue of"

scare-mongering, bogus-Iraq-war president

"George W. Bush is a one term president."

[Wild Cobra]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/chris-kelly/bias-media-dirty-tricks-a_b_341141.html

Hmmm...

Why didn't the liberals complain about Hillary not being from NY?

[Wild Cobra]

If you keep driving people who are technically still Republicans out of your emaciated tribe, the people who vote for them may follow. Whatever happened to the big tent?

Fuck them. If they want a liberal, they should be voting democrat anyway.

The republican party needs a good cleansing.

[Winehole23]

Is there an echo in here?

[Wild Cobra]

Only 17% consider themselves Republicans, and you want to make the party even smaller.

People are dropping from the republican ranks because they are tired of liberal republicans.

[balli]

Is there an echo in here?
lol- To a T.

[Winehole23]

People are dropping from the republican ranks because they are tired of liberal republicans.Maybe they're tired of social conservatives who only pretend to be fiscally conservative.

[spursncowboys]

Republicans have riled up the base since at least 1992 by pandering to the religious right. No argument here.

But there's a difference between politics and policy. Many libertarian-leaning conservatives have held their noses and voted Republican, mainly because their areas of agreement with the GOP outweigh the areas of disagreement. It's been tolerable so far---especially for people like me who do not care that much about social and cultural issues---because the social conservative agenda has not really accomplished much. (And because the Democrats suck so much.)

The ideological pairing of libertarians and conservatives is nothing groundbreaking.
I think libertarians have more problems with high taxes, keynesian economics, government expansion and intrusian, government owning 30% of our economy and Obama is "just getting started".
I agree the republicans should not assume they can get the libertarian vote, especially if they load their bills with pork again like in 2002 to 06. However I don't think most libertarians have a problem with conservative religious right as they do with conservative's strong defense. Libertarians and pro-life conservatives can both be in agreement that only the conservatives will appoint strict constitutionalists.

[Winehole23]

can both be in agreement that only the conservatives will appoint strict constitutionalists.Raich notwithstanding, right?

[spursncowboys]

A big tent republican can be libertarians, blue-dogs, social conservatives, fiscal conservatives, and neo-conservatives. That coalition would win every election.

[Winehole23]

Why didn't it last year?

[spursncowboys]

Why didn't it last year?
McCain fit none of those. He got his push from NH and pushed out Guilianni. Then he let the two real conservatives split the vote while he snuck in sounding like a conservative. IMO of course

[Wild Cobra]

McCain fit none of those. He got his push from NH and pushed out Guilianni. Then he let the two real conservatives split the vote while he snuck in sounding like a conservative. IMO of course

Night be your opinion, but I agree.

McCain was a sure loser until Palin came along, and he still lost.

[Winehole23]

Giuliani himself was too liberal for conservative Iowa and NH, and shot himself in the foot by skipping the early primaries. Your characterization of Romney as a real conservative is laughable (he presided over, and later bragged about, Massachusetts' universal healthcare scheme), and Huckabee never had a chance. Why not?

Too conservative.

[Wild Cobra]

Your characterization of Romney as a real conservative is laughable (he presided over, and later bragged about, Massachusetts' universal healthcare scheme), and Huckabee never had a chance. Why not?

Too conservative.

We disagree. A conservative can take the vote, and none were too conservative in the field. I think the major problem was open primaries. The wrong balance of people voting. That belief is what prompted Operation Chaos, because the wrong republican was nominated.

[angrydude]

Giuliani himself was too liberal for conservative Iowa and NH, and shot himself in the foot by skipping the early primaries. Your characterization of Romney as a real conservative is laughable (he presided over, and later bragged about, Massachusetts' universal healthcare scheme), and Huckabee never had a chance. Why not?

Too conservative.

Huckabee never had a chance b/c he is hte 2nd coming of George W Bush.

Religious conservative and liberal spender.

[Wild Cobra]

Huckabee never had a chance b/c he is hte 2nd coming of George W Bush.

Religious conservative and liberal spender.

I think either Huckabee or Romney would have done better against Obama than McCain did. However, it's hard to win against a minority turning out in greater numbers than maybe anytime in the past, and voting along racial lines.

Racialism is a hard thing to conquer.

[Winehole23]

I think the major problem was open primaries.Closed primaries shut out independent voters (and candidates) and perpetuate the the fecal duopoly of R and D.

[Winehole23]

However, it's hard to win against a minority turning out in greater numbers than maybe anytime in the past, and voting along racial lines.

Racialism is a hard thing to conquer.Women voting in favor of Obama 57%- 43% was decisive; blacks voting for Obama 95%-5% was a footnote.

[CosmicCowboy]

What you guys are still missing is that 60% of the people still claim to be either "conservative" or "Republican". A lot of us conservatives have dropped the Republican label because a lot of the ones currently in office have been as fiscally irresponsible as the Democrats. Whatever label they go by however, these people for the most part are politically active and vote and will vote for the "lesser of evils" which for the most part will still be a Republican candidate...

[spursncowboys]

Closed primaries shut out independent voters (and candidates) and perpetuate the the fecal duopoly of R and D.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/3a/Open.primaries.gif (http://spurstalk.com/wiki/File:Open.primaries.gif)

[Winehole23]

68% of first time voters voted for Obama.

[balli]

However, it's hard to win against a minority turning out in greater numbers than maybe anytime in the past, and voting along racial lines.

Racialism is a hard thing to conquer.
"If only it weren't for those uppity black people and their voting rights we'd of won this thing."

[spursncowboys]

"If only it weren't for those uppity black people and their voting rights we'd of won this thing."
Which party was for slavery, and segregation?

[Winehole23]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/3a/Open.primaries.gif (http://spurstalk.com/wiki/File:Open.primaries.gif)Up to Super Tuesday. Got it. This supports WC, but isn't really a response to what I said.

[spursncowboys]

WH: You said that closed primaries do not allow for third party people. Since the primaries are for the two parties, a third party should have their own primary.

[balli]

Which party was for slavery, and segregation?
I asked you not to talk to me. I'm sorry I tried to help you with Ubuntu. You are a fucking idiot.

I have no interest in discussing respective parties' ideological positions from 150 years ago.

Nor do I want a moron such as yourself even contemplating anything I have to say as you are far too stupid for said endeavor to serve any purpose. I don't put people on ignore, but like I said I want nothing to do with you, ever. Honor that request. Fuck off.

[spursncowboys]

deal.

[hope4dopes]

I asked you not to talk to me. I'm sorry I tried to help you with Ubuntu. You are a fucking idiot.

I have no interest in discussing respective parties' ideological positions from 150 years ago.

Nor do I want a moron such as yourself even contemplating anything I have to say as you are far too stupid for said endeavor to serve any purpose. I don't put people on ignore, but like I said I want nothing to do with you, ever. Honor that request. Fuck off. Congrats bali it seems your medications are working, you didn't squirm in ecstacy over some sado violent fantasty today.

[hope4dopes]

Please...... do we seriously have to listen to liberals and adolecent leftists hyneas about the best way to "save" the republican party once again. It's like a schoolboy accepting candy from Kevin Jennings.

[Wild Cobra]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/3a/Open.primaries.gif (http://spurstalk.com/wiki/File:Open.primaries.gif)
Yes, and this is why I am against open promaries.

If Libertarians and other parties want a primary, they can. The Libertarians choose their candidate in a convention. There is no reason for an open primary.

It wouldn't surprise me if a huge number of democrats didn't like Obama or Hillary as a first choice, so selected McCain because he is so liberal.

[Wild Cobra]

WH: You said that closed primaries do not allow for third party people. Since the primaries are for the two parties, a third party should have their own primary.

Ditto.

[MannyIsGod]

Yes, and this is why I am against open promaries.

If Libertarians and other parties want a primary, they can. The Libertarians choose their candidate in a convention. There is no reason for an open primary.

It wouldn't surprise me if a huge number of democrats didn't like Obama or Hillary as a first choice, so selected McCain because he is so liberal.

I don't believe you understand how open primaries work.

[Wild Cobra]

I don't believe you understand how open primaries work.

Yes, I do.

[Wild Cobra]

Anyone believe Doug Hoffman won't win today? I place my bet at 57% of the votes.

Anyone else want to take a stab at this?

Voting starts in 2-1/2 hours.

[Spawn]

So this chick was pro-choice and pro-gay marriage, get you everytime.

[ElNono]

Anyone believe Doug Hoffman won't win today? I place my bet at 57% of the votes.

Anyone else want to take a stab at this?

Voting starts in 2-1/2 hours.

There's governor elections here today. I'm gonna be glad when this election is over and they stop wasting money on fucking ads...

And BTW, that NY race is in such a Republican district, it's really GOP's election to lose. Even after the deep divisions, I still think they'll pull it off.

[spursncowboys]

So this chick was pro-choice and pro-gay marriage, get you everytime.
Plus she was for the bailouts. She made it apparent that she was a democrat when she endorsed the dem she was running against.

[doobs]

Plus she was for the bailouts. She made it apparent that she was a democrat when she endorsed the dem she was running against.

I think she might have endorsed Owens out of personal animus toward Hoffman.

[EVAY]

Maybe they're tired of social conservatives who only pretend to be fiscally conservative.

Thank you, thank you, thank you. This is EXACTLY my reaction to the folks who have taken over the voice of the republicans. I get angry with folks who claim to be republican but never care about a deficit unless a democrat is recommending it, and who say they believe in keeping government out of people's lives until it comes to telling people what can be taught in science classes and how they can live their own private lives.

I am a fiscal conservative and a social libertarian. There is absolutely no room for me in the republican party. There is also no room for me in the democratic party because I'm a fiscal conservative. So, I am an Independent voter, one of the many who actually decide most of the elections in this country, because the bases of each party are smaller than the independent bloc.

The democrats will lose seats in Congress in the next year because the party that wins the presidency almost always loses seats in the off year. It really means very little, but both sides try to make it into something.

SnC likes to quote that 40% of the population considers themselves 'conservatives'. That is probably true. I consider myself conservative, but it doesn't mean that I will always vote Republican,
and if the republican party can't do better than they have done in the past eight years, they won't get my vote. And if they keep trashing good, decent people who are not as 'pure' in their social conservatism as the far right wing is, they will lose all the big elections. They don't seem to mind that. Well, I do. I get livid with people who put their own 'purity' above the national good, be they liberal or conservative.

[hope4dopes]

Thank you, thank you, thank you. This is EXACTLY my reaction to the folks who have taken over the voice of the republicans. I get angry with folks who claim to be republican but never care about a deficit unless a democrat is recommending it, and who say they believe in keeping government out of people's lives until it comes to telling people what can be taught in science classes and how they can live their own private lives.

I am a fiscal conservative and a social libertarian. There is absolutely no room for me in the republican party. There is also no room for me in the democratic party because I'm a fiscal conservative. So, I am an Independent voter, one of the many who actually decide most of the elections in this country, because the bases of each party are smaller than the independent bloc.

The democrats will lose seats in Congress in the next year because the party that wins the presidency almost always loses seats in the off year. It really means very little, but both sides try to make it into something.

SnC likes to quote that 40% of the population considers themselves 'conservatives'. That is probably true. I consider myself conservative, but it doesn't mean that I will always vote Republican,
and if the republican party can't do better than they have done in the past eight years, they won't get my vote. And if they keep trashing good, decent people who are not as 'pure' in their social conservatism as the far right wing is, they will lose all the big elections. They don't seem to mind that. Well, I do. I get livid with people who put their own 'purity' above the national good, be they liberal or conservative. This is a canard...and one I don't think any true libertarian ever makes. The idea that consevatives have a "social" agenda and that the left doesn't is ridiculous. The left has a very aggressive and far reaching social agenda.From how much if any meat you may consume, to what you smoke,what kind of car you drive, what may or may not be deemed free speech or hate speech, to what social engineering your child must be subjected without your consent,to using the bogeyman of some global catastrophe to regulate all levels of your life, to whether or not your underage child gets an abortion without your consent,to whether your underage child's homosexual abuser is shielded from you under the guise of "love". From the state definition of when life should begin to the idea of when life should end.If one looks at the so called "progressive" political movements of the last century..the U.S.S.R, China,Cuba,..ect. There is a trumpet call of bringing humanity into some progressive direction, a killing of the old world and a new dawn of human progress.But the truth of these "progressive" movments has been a tyranny,and barbarisim, that harkens back to the dark ages,where oppresion is called progressive,and where ALL aspects of life are state controled.

[balli]

You really need to separate your screeds into paragraphs micca. And use, y'know, spaces between your punctuation and words.

Nobody wants to read some huge, poorly-written, unfiltered block of hate-filled text.

I know its hard, I know a solid moderate just punked the living shit out of your whole insanely-zealous movement, but try to calm down and breathe. I fucking hate you and will say as much openly, but I'd be ashamed if I just started screeching and jabbering at people like you do.

[balli]

I don't even know why I'm going to respond to your fucking meltdown (that has nothing to do with the topic at hand), but you're such a fucking retard that I can't help it.


From how much if any meat you may consume
I bought some turkey a couple days ago. You're telling me I should be worried about an ATF like raid on my house. Fuck off. I could buy and anybody can buy, as much meat as they want. I don't even know what to say to this BS other than WTF is wrong with you?


to what you smoke
Yup. All those hippie leftists and their irrational hatred for marijuana. Again, WTF are you talking about?


what kind of car you drive
I could go buy a truck, I could buy an SUV. I could go buy a Prius. I could get a sportscar. A coupe. A van. A sedan. A hatchback. I could drive big rig that gets 2 mpg. I could buy a motorcycle. I could buy a go-cart. Anybody could.

You're fucking delusional.


to what social engineering your child must be subjected without your consent
You can't do anything to children without their parents consent. But go ahead and cry about "social engineering". I'll just call you a batshit insane, asshole.


to using the bogeyman of some global catastrophe to regulate all levels of your life
I'd love it if your life were regulated out of existsence, but as it is, I have a hard time believeing that all aspects of your life are being controlled. Or in any danger of such. If that were true, how would you be posting on this fucking message board?


And on and on and on and on and on. I'm not even going to try to keep up with your illogical and paranoid rant. The part about homosexual sex offenders was particularly crazy though.

You really need to get your brain in check. I know you like to call me crazy because I tell you you're a worthless human. I think you're crazy, because ostensibly, you're actually mentally unstable. If I were you, I'd get some sort of treatment, ASAP.

[hope4dopes]

You really need to separate your screeds into paragraphs micca. And use, y'know, spaces between your punctuation and words.

Nobody wants to read some huge, poorly-written, unfiltered block of hate-filled text.

I know its hard, I know a solid moderate just punked the living shit out of your whole insanely-zealous movement, but try to calm down and breathe. I fucking hate you and will say as much openly, but I'd be ashamed if I just started screeching and jabbering at people like you do.
Have you tried upping your meds?
Bali here is indicative of the inherent insanity and violence of the progressive movement. He daily expresses his "hate" for somebody, but blames the world outside himself for the "hate" he feels and, doesn't once ponder whether or not this hate he feels is emenating from him.
He gleefully waxes over fantasies of shooting and beating people, and offers this vison up as a solution to some social utopia.Meanwhile he finds grammatical deriliction a crime against the human spirit.In a word crazy as a bedbug.

[clambake]

wow, micca, you just got schooled.

he laid your rant out for autopsy.

don't you feel silly, laying there?

[balli]

And I've never, never, threatened or gotten gleeful over the prospect of specifically shooting or beating someone. Certainly never have threatened to do such personally.

All I've ever told you that if your ideology is going to treat me, my president and the majority of his constituents as if they were Stalinists, we might as well fulfill your paranoid fantasy and build a gulag. Don't get it twisted. The only violence I've ever promoted is the violence that you claim is inherit to my ideology.

Of course that level of violence isn't inherit to my ideology, but if you insist it is, what choice do I have but to play along? I'm screwed if I do, screwed if I don't. You don't like it, micca? Dial back your own insane rhetoric.

[balli]

Oh... and just to further prove my point: I wrote this-

The only violence I've ever promoted is the violence that you claim is inherit to my ideology. before I even realized that you posted this:


indicative of the inherent insanity and violence of the progressive movement.

LMFAO at you.

[hope4dopes]

And I've never, never, threatened or gotten gleeful over the prospect of specifically shooting or beating someone. Certainly never have threatened to do such personally.

All I've ever told you that if your ideology is going to treat me, my president and the majority of his constituents as if they were Stalinists, we might as well fulfill your paranoid fantasy and build a gulag. Don't get it twisted. The only violence I've ever promoted is the violence that you claim is inherit to my ideology.

Of course that level of violence isn't inherit to my ideology, but if you insist it is, what choice do I have but to play along? I'm screwed if I do, screwed if I don't. You don't like it, micca? Dial back your own insane rhetoric.You're a lying sack of shit.. you're constantlly putting up post where you relish the idea of committing, or witnessing other peoples suffering and pain.

[balli]

No I'm not. Go back, find a post where I relish the idea of enacting suffering. Go find it. All I've ever done, ever, is tell you that I'm willing to be what you accuse me of being. And that's entirely on you. 100%

Like I said, dial back your insane, patently false rhetoric about my ideology and maybe I'll dial back my acceptance of it.

And try not to go off the deep end over meat products and homosexual sex offenders. It isn't helping your case.

[balli]

I mean seriously micca- if you're going to sit there and accuse me of trying to regulate your meat intake and what kind of car you drive and call violence inherit to my ideology- I have no recourse but to accept it.

If you're going to act as if the left is controlling every aspect of your life, truly believe that, what does the left have to lose by controlling every aspect of your life? Your rhetoric stays the same either way.

Unfortunately, you're far too dumb to figure this is a game where I'm mocking the shit out of your completely and utterly paranoid lack of logic. And hence, it just makes you that much more paranoid and illogical.

Go get some treatment.

[Winehole23]

And if they keep trashing good, decent people who are not as 'pure' in their social conservatism as the far right wing is, they will lose all the big elections. They don't seem to mind that. Well, I do. I get livid with people who put their own 'purity' above the national good, be they liberal or conservative.


This is a canard...and one I don't think any true libertarian ever makes."No true Scotsman..."


This is an ad hoc attempt to retain an unreasoned assertion.


The idea that consevatives have a "social" agenda and that the left doesn't is ridiculous.Reaching this conclusion ignores EVAY's plain words bolded above: "...be they liberal or conservative."

Did you melt down before you even finished reading, micca? :lol

[Winehole23]

You either didn't read, didn't understand, or willfully blocked out what EVAY actually said.

[hope4dopes]

[QUOTE=Winehole23;3797178]"No true Scotsman..."



Reaching this conclusion ignores EVAY's plain words bolded above: "...be they liberal or conservative."

Did you melt down before you even finished reading, micca? :lol[/QUOTE Not at all precious, and before you pull your headmistress shit, I was just fleshing things out a bit.

[balli]

I was just fleshing things out a bit.

I wouldn't be at all surprised if you were crying and shivering as you composed your meltdown. In fact, I'd be surprised if you weren't.

[hope4dopes]

I wouldn't be at all surprised if you were crying and shivering as you composed your meltdown. In fact, I'd be surprised if you weren't. What no beatings, no shooting spree.no internment camp..wheeeeh I missed that bullet.

[Winehole23]

I was just fleshing things out a bit.You started by saying this:


This is a canard...and one I don't think any true libertarian ever makes.

Then you immediately suggested EVAY said something he not only did not say, but is the exact opposite of what he said. His formulation included liberals. Your own suggested he left them out.

You began with a failure of reading and ended up in irrelevancy. Call me schoolmarmish if you like, but the screw-up, and ensuing meltdown, was yours.

[balli]

I mean it was said in the other thread, but does micca even attempt to read? That incoherent piece of shit hasn't made a solid rebuttal or made any effort whatsoever to stay on point, about anything. It's like dealing with a babbling mental patient who just isn't seeing the world. He reminds me of a schizoid hobo, screaming on a street corner. That's the only comparison I can draw.

[Wild Cobra]

So this chick was pro-choice and pro-gay marriage, get you everytime.

Actually, I can deal with that in a republican. She was also for card-check and other liberal agendas. I don't think she has a conservative bone in her body.

[Wild Cobra]

Thank you, thank you, thank you. This is EXACTLY my reaction to the folks who have taken over the voice of the republicans. I get angry with folks who claim to be republican but never care about a deficit unless a democrat is recommending it, and who say they believe in keeping government out of people's lives until it comes to telling people what can be taught in science classes and how they can live their own private lives.
That's why I call them RINO's.

Anyone for opening year round RINO season?

[Winehole23]

I mean it was said in the other thread, but does micca even attempt to read? Not that I can tell. He gets the other poster wrong so consistently it's hard to resist the conclusion he doesn't try to.

micca can read, he either doesn't pay attention or mistakes his own mental projections for what is on the page.


(He) hasn't made a solid rebuttal or made any effort whatsoever to stay on point, about anything.True. It's an amazing streak. micca's career in these pages is almost 100% hijack and flameout.


It's like dealing with a babbling mental patient who just isn't seeing the world. He reminds me of a schizoid hobo, screaming on a street corner.It does look that way. With micca, every road leads to an obscene and barely coherent tirade.

[hope4dopes]

Not that I can tell. He gets the other poster wrong so consistently it's hard to resist the conclusion he doesn't try to.

micca can read, he either doesn't pay attention or mistakes his own mental projections for what is on the page.

True. It's an amazing streak. micca's career in these pages is almost 100% hijack and flameout.

It does look that way. With micca, every road leads to an obscene and barely coherent tirade. Wow whinehole you're having a great conversation with Bali, that makes you and Jeffrey Dahmer the only two minds he can meld with.Congrats.