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tlongII
11-04-2009, 08:26 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/dallas/nfl/news/story?id=4622709

IRVING, Texas -- Roy Williams remains the Dallas Cowboys' No. 1 receiver, at least in his mind.

After putting in a lot of extra offseason work with quarterback Tony Romo, Williams is stunned they haven't made more progress.

"It's just not even close," Williams said. "It's not even funny. Not even close."

Williams does not believe his poor production accurately portrays his performance.

"I'm the No. 1 receiver," Williams said. "But things are just going No. 2's way."

The No. 2 is Miles Austin, who has produced like a Pro Bowler since moving into the starting lineup. Austin has set an NFL record with 482 yards in his first three starts, scoring on five of his 21 receptions during that span.

Compare that to Williams' statistics in 16 games since arriving from Detroit in a blockbuster deal: 33 catches, 447 yards and three touchdowns.

Considering those numbers, how could Williams possibly still see himself as the Cowboys' No. 1 receiver?

"He gets the ball thrown correctly his way," Williams said of Austin. "I'm stretching and falling and doing everything. Everybody [else] who's been here's balls are there. Our footballs [from Romo to Williams] are everywhere right now."

Williams has caught only 14 of 37 passes thrown his way this season. Only four receivers in the league who have been targeted at least 25 times have caught a lower percentage of passes aimed at them.

Williams stressed that he's pleased that the Cowboys are winning, but he's frustrated that he hasn't been more effective. He isn't asking for more opportunities. He just wants to be put in better position to make plays -- which means getting on the same page with Romo.

"We're going to be fine there," Romo said after Sunday's win over the Seattle Seahawks. "I know what Roy's doing. It's just a matter of going back and looking the tape and seeing what we have to do better. But it's just part of growing with a receiver."

djohn2oo8
11-04-2009, 08:32 PM
LOL Roy Williams

jack sommerset
11-04-2009, 08:35 PM
Roy Williams just is not that good. He is not a go to guy. Cowboys over paid is pretty obvious.

Spursfan092120
11-04-2009, 09:47 PM
Yes..Cowboys overpaid...yes, Roy is pissed...yes Roy needs to shut up and play....yes Roy is sucking up the field right now...yes Roy is a lazy idiot...yes he said something he shouldn't have when he was frustrated...yes ESPN is overdoing this as usual....yes, they're doing it for ratings....yes, if this was a no name receiver, it wouldn't even be mentioned....

djohn2oo8
11-04-2009, 10:16 PM
^ Since when did he become a big name reciever in the NFL?

Spursfan092120
11-04-2009, 11:29 PM
^ Since when did he become a big name reciever in the NFL?
Roy Williams has always been a big name receiver since he came out of Texas...big production for one season, but the NAME has always been big. That's the only reason he got the contract he got. What rock have you been under?

Udokafan05
11-04-2009, 11:43 PM
They could have got Boldin for what they gave for Williams. Williams was just a guy putting up good numbers on a bad team.

Spursfan092120
11-04-2009, 11:45 PM
They could have got Boldin for what they gave for Williams. Williams was just a guy putting up good numbers on a bad team.
Yes..they could have...but shit happens...you move on. a bunch of other teams could have ended up with Randy Moss. Portland could have ended up with Michael Jordan...I could go all day. Bottom line is, he needs to shut up and play...or sit his ass on the bench. Austin, Crayton, Hurd is sounding pretty damn good to me right now. At least they catch the ball when it's close to them.

Duff McCartney
11-05-2009, 12:30 AM
The fact of the matter is..he does play. He's not a very good reciever. At all. He can't get any seperation on any of the guys he is on. I don't care what he thinks or what any Williams apologist says, he's not a number 1 reciever in the NFL. He's never been a number 1 reciever. I'm sure it's no coincidence that a team that went 0-16 traded him, when you're that bad, if Roy Williams is a number one reciever...you don't trade him away.

samikeyp
11-05-2009, 12:41 AM
He hasn't been a #1 since he left the Forty Acres.

Blake
11-05-2009, 12:50 AM
He hasn't been a #1 since he left the Forty Acres.

He plays like a floating turd, so I'd call him a #2.

BRHornet45
11-05-2009, 01:28 AM
sons at least Romo got to connect with Jessica Simpson's big ole double D's.

bigdog
11-05-2009, 03:29 AM
obviously the Cowboys overpaid him, but I do think Roy can be effective. Sure, some of Roy's routes are lazy, but alot of the times, Romo's passes are way off. they're either behind, way too low, nowhere near, or 15 feet in the air where no one can catch it (see, bruised ribs, Roy Williams). There were many times in training camp where Roy and Romo looked dead on. I don't understand why they can't do it in a game.

leemajors
11-05-2009, 08:24 AM
roy is the best paid blocking receiver in the game.

EmptyMan
11-05-2009, 10:39 AM
How can anyone be a Cowboys fan. It is just drama after drama. What an embarrassment.

doobs
11-05-2009, 10:54 AM
wonder why miles austin is open all the time?

I agree with this. Statistics are way overrated, in most sports. You need to use your eyes and make judgments based on actual contributions---which means noticing when he's commanding double coverage, or laying serious blocks, or doing other things to make opposing defenses less effective.

For many years Bruce Bowen was the greatest perimeter defender in the NBA, but his statistics were always lame.

Spursfan092120
11-05-2009, 10:57 AM
How can anyone be a Cowboys fan. It is just drama after drama. What an embarrassment.
see: Bengals, Raiders, Lions, Browns, Falcons (till Matt Ryan), Redskins, Cardinals (till last year), Rams. Don't be stupid. If you're a fan, you're a fan. Obviously you're a bandwagonner...you don't bail on your team when the chips are down. And how the hell is one receiver upset because he and the QB aren't connecting supposed to embarrass the fans? Because he's an idiot isn't going to change our views on an entire team, and make us not root for them anymore. I guess Mikey and I are just going to have to stop rooting for the Cowboys after all these years because Roy was frustrated.

Spursfan092120
11-05-2009, 10:58 AM
The fact of the matter is..he does play. He's not a very good reciever. At all. He can't get any seperation on any of the guys he is on. I don't care what he thinks or what any Williams apologist says, he's not a number 1 reciever in the NFL. He's never been a number 1 reciever. I'm sure it's no coincidence that a team that went 0-16 traded him, when you're that bad, if Roy Williams is a number one reciever...you don't trade him away.
Roy has a lot of raw talent..the problem is he sucks balls at running routes.

Spursfan092120
11-05-2009, 11:34 AM
I love how ESPN failed to mention this quote..

"If you continue to work out every day, it'll pay off," Williams said. "It'll pay off one of these 16 games."

Doesn't sound as pissed off in this quote as he did the rest of the McMahon story. Same interview, picked up by the Dallas Morning News.

Whisky Dog
11-05-2009, 12:06 PM
He does need to shut his mouth but he is valuable in the running game as well as blocking or screens or other receivers. They took him out of the x spot which was good, I think they need to try him in the slot on some formations and run Austin and either Hurd or Ogletree in the x and z. Couple that with witten/Bennett and Felix or Tashard in the backfield and you have some interesting matchups. I'd might even tinker with lining him up as a weak side TE and forcing either a LB matching up or a nickel/dime defensive set. Get him in some good matchups and see if he can get going - the guy has put up numbers before so it's there somewhere.

rjv
11-05-2009, 12:25 PM
roy williams would not even be able to get a 6th round pick in a trade made today. how sad is that. waive his ass in the summer and give the younger receivers the baton.

mardigan
11-05-2009, 12:43 PM
roy williams would not even be able to get a 6th round pick in a trade made today. how sad is that. waive his ass in the summer and give the younger receivers the baton.

Can't waive him, they just gave him a big new contract.

Dr. Gonzo
11-05-2009, 12:43 PM
roy williams would not even be able to get a 6th round pick in a trade made today. how sad is that. waive his ass in the summer and give the younger receivers the baton.

Can they really afford the dead money cap hit if they cut a dude they just resigned for 5 years? If they had a competent coaching staff, they could couch him up and see if he can learn to run a route.

DisgruntledLionFan#54,927
11-05-2009, 12:44 PM
There is no need to roll coverage Roy's way.

And any defensive scheme that did roll coverage that way on the majority of pass plays deserves to have the HC and/or DC fired.

SpuronyourFace
11-05-2009, 01:07 PM
He does need to shut his mouth but he is valuable in the running game as well as blocking or screens or other receivers. They took him out of the x spot which was good, I think they need to try him in the slot on some formations and run Austin and either Hurd or Ogletree in the x and z. Couple that with witten/Bennett and Felix or Tashard in the backfield and you have some interesting matchups. I'd might even tinker with lining him up as a weak side TE and forcing either a LB matching up or a nickel/dime defensive set. Get him in some good matchups and see if he can get going - the guy has put up numbers before so it's there somewhere.

Agreed. Roy does need to shut up, but also, Romo needs to hit him in the numbers. I've heard some blame that on his route running, but shit, T.O. is one of the worst route runners of all fucking time, and Romo use to hit him in the numbers. They just have not gotten on the same page.

But we have the greatest WR of all time in Miles, so we the failed Romo to Roy connection hasn't hurt us to badly lately.

Spursfan092120
11-05-2009, 01:14 PM
Can they really afford the dead money cap hit if they cut a dude they just resigned for 5 years? If they had a competent coaching staff, they could couch him up and see if he can learn to run a route.
no..they can't afford it. And yes, our coaching staff is incompetent except for one or two of them..but I don't even know if he can be coached at this point when it comes to running routes. He's so far off, it'd be like trying to TEACH Shaq to shoot free throws.

samikeyp
11-05-2009, 01:56 PM
He could be coached...but would he listen?

Personally I would bring in Michael Irvin to coach him one on one...anytime Roy dogged it or talked back, Playmaker could point to his rings or his HOF jacket. :)

Stringer_Bell
11-05-2009, 02:04 PM
I love how ESPN failed to mention this quote..

"If you continue to work out every day, it'll pay off," Williams said. "It'll pay off one of these 16 games."

Doesn't sound as pissed off in this quote as he did the rest of the McMahon story. Same interview, picked up by the Dallas Morning News.

Thanks for that update, I was about to say Williams needs to talk less and run better, but at least now I know he's trying not to sound like a total Debbie Downer. I wonder how much else ESPN edits quotes to create news stories.....

Spursfan092120
11-05-2009, 02:14 PM
He could be coached...but would he listen?

Personally I would bring in Michael Irvin to coach him one on one...anytime Roy dogged it or talked back, Playmaker could point to his rings or his HOF jacket. :)
This is what I'm talking about. I've been wishing Dallas would bring Irvin in to coach the WRs for years now.

Spursfan092120
11-05-2009, 02:15 PM
Thanks for that update, I was about to say Williams needs to talk less and run better, but at least now I know he's trying not to sound like a total Debbie Downer. I wonder how much else ESPN edits quotes to create news stories.....
constantly...they're about the ratings. I firmly believe that the TO situation could have been squashed if it weren't for ESPN.

djohn2oo8
11-05-2009, 04:21 PM
^ lol Without ESPN, TO wouldn't have disrupted another team lmao

Dr. Gonzo
11-05-2009, 04:46 PM
I like how Cowboys fans cry about ESPN and how they are always causing drama but then talk about how "relevant" the Cowboys are because they are always on ESPN.

Spursfan092120
11-05-2009, 05:45 PM
I like how Cowboys fans cry about ESPN and how they are always causing drama but then talk about how "relevant" the Cowboys are because they are always on ESPN.
Actually, we say the Cowboys are relevant because people who hate them keep talking about them...such as yourself. :toast Explain why ESPN didn't post the entire interview that THEY took, and only left out the pieces that didn't make Roy look like a tool? The only parts they posted online were about him being angry and not complacent.

Spursfan092120
11-05-2009, 05:46 PM
^ lol Without ESPN, TO wouldn't have disrupted another team lmao
Never said that, douchey..I said it could have been squashed. It was an interior thing that may have been something they could have handled had ESPN not taken it to the national level.

badfish22
11-05-2009, 07:16 PM
I wish we could get Ogletree more playing time. That man seems like he can play.
Same with Sam Hurd.

Too bad we got Roy eating up all the snaps. Guess he has to start playing better eventually.

Obstructed_View
11-05-2009, 07:20 PM
:lol @ whoever called this Roy Williams the "good" Roy Williams.

TFloss32
11-06-2009, 12:28 PM
Roy has a lot of raw talent..the problem is he sucks balls at running routes.

+1. Listen to Troy Aikman's commentary when you get the chance and you'll hear him say subtle things that reveal he's not at all a fan of Roy Williams (he preferred Owens). He's even publicly stated that Roy was never taught how to run proper routes and it could end up being one of the worst trades in a long time.

Roy was a man amongst boys at Texas and always relied on his size and athleticism to get it done. On the bright side, I don't find it a coincidence that other Cowboy receivers are getting open while he is not. He's always paid a lot of attention by opposing defenses. Hence Miles Austin's recent success.


roy williams would not even be able to get a 6th round pick in a trade made today. how sad is that. waive his ass in the summer and give the younger receivers the baton.

Can't waive him, nor is that a good idea. I do agree with you on the younger receivers, though. I would take Austin and Hurd over Crayton and Williams. I think Dallas should seriously consider taking Jordan Shipley in the '10 draft.

Spursfan092120
11-06-2009, 12:37 PM
+1. Listen to Troy Aikman's commentary when you get the chance and you'll hear him say subtle things that reveal he's not at all a fan of Roy Williams (he preferred Owens). He's even publicly stated that Roy was never taught how to run proper routes and it could end up being one of the worst trades in a long time.

Roy was a man amongst boys at Texas and always relied on his size and athleticism to get it done. On the bright side, I don't find it a coincidence that other Cowboy receivers are getting open while he is not. He's always paid a lot of attention by opposing defenses. Hence Miles Austin's recent success.

Exactly...it was the same as the TO situation..people pay so much attention to one guy, and another is going to be wide open. Now that people are realizing you need to cover Miles, Roy might have a better shot..we'll see what happens in Philly.

Spursfan092120
11-06-2009, 12:38 PM
Can't waive him, nor is that a good idea. I do agree with you on the younger receivers, though. I would take Austin and Hurd over Crayton and Williams. I think Dallas should seriously consider taking Jordan Shipley in the '10 draft.
Could you imagine if we got Shipley and then picked up McCoy for the future? Kitna's obviously not our future, and McGee seems a bit timid. The connection these two guys have is epic.

TFloss32
11-06-2009, 03:04 PM
Could you imagine if we got Shipley and then picked up McCoy for the future? Kitna's obviously not our future, and McGee seems a bit timid. The connection these two guys have is epic.

I love Colt and his game, just not sure how well he will translate to the NFL. Mel Kiper, Jr. always make comparisons to Drew Brees, but that seems a bit of a stretch to me. He's smart and accurate, though...he may be able to find his niche on the next level. I think Shipley will be Wes Welker 2.0, though. I would pick him up for his return ability alone.

Spursfan092120
11-06-2009, 03:12 PM
I love Colt and his game, just not sure how well he will translate to the NFL. Mel Kiper, Jr. always make comparisons to Drew Brees, but that seems a bit of a stretch to me. He's smart and accurate, though...he may be able to find his niche on the next level. I think Shipley will be Wes Welker 2.0, though. I would pick him up for his return ability alone.
I agree..but I think that if somehow Shipley ended up on the same team as McCoy it would be one hell of a good way to integrate him into the system. These guys have an uncanny connection, and it could make Colt one hell of an NFL QB.

TFloss32
11-06-2009, 03:45 PM
I agree..but I think that if somehow Shipley ended up on the same team as McCoy it would be one hell of a good way to integrate him into the system. These guys have an uncanny connection, and it could make Colt one hell of an NFL QB.

I definitely would not be upset if the Cowboys used a draft pick on Colt...hell, they wasted a perfectly good 4th rounder on Stephen McGee last year. The Aggies ruined that guy by putting him in a running offense.

I secretly hope that neither of them gets drafted by the Cowboys for the sake of their careers (at least not under Wade Phillips). Too much drama in Big D.

Spursfan092120
11-06-2009, 03:48 PM
I definitely would not be upset if the Cowboys used a draft pick on Colt...hell, they wasted a perfectly good 4th rounder on Stephen McGee last year. The Aggies ruined that guy by putting him in a running offense.

I secretly hope that neither of them gets drafted by the Cowboys for the sake of their careers (at least not under Wade Phillips). Too much drama in Big D.
Wade will not be the Cowboys coach next year ::crossing fingers:: ::knocking on wood::

TFloss32
11-06-2009, 04:04 PM
Wade will not be the Cowboys coach next year ::crossing fingers:: ::knocking on wood::

Definitely a safe bet. I was laughing out loud a couple of weeks ago when ESPN put "Jerry Jones will not fire Wade Phillips during the season" across the ticker. :lol

The only thing is...who would want to work for Jerry? He wants to be the owner, the coach, publicist, hot dog vendor, etc. The Cowboys have a lot of problems (mainly discipline) and I can't see anyone with legit experience wanting to coach the Cowboys. Watch Jason Garrett get promoted...:bang.

Dr. Gonzo
11-06-2009, 04:07 PM
Watch Jason Garrett get promoted...:bang.

I think that is the most likely of scenarios. Jones loves yes men and Garrett is one of them. I really don't see any of the prestigious coaches out there wanting to work for Jerry Jones.

Spursfan092120
11-06-2009, 04:07 PM
Definitely a safe bet. I was laughing out loud a couple of weeks ago when ESPN put "Jerry Jones will not fire Wade Phillips during the season" across the ticker. :lol

The only thing is...who would want to work for Jerry? He wants to be the owner, the coach, publicist, hot dog vendor, etc. The Cowboys have a lot of problems (mainly discipline) and I can't see anyone with legit experience wanting to coach the Cowboys. Watch Jason Garrett get promoted...:bang.
Shanahan and Holmgren have both expressed interest...Jerry and Holmgren get along well, though I hope it ends up being Shanahan.

TFloss32
11-06-2009, 04:13 PM
I think that is the most likely of scenarios. Jones loves yes men and Garrett is one of them. I really don't see any of the prestigious coaches out there wanting to work for Jerry Jones.

I completely agree with you and wouldn't be surprised one bit. Let the mediocrity continue...


Shanahan and Holmgren have both expressed interest...Jerry and Holmgren get along well, though I hope it ends up being Shanahan.

I get giddy when I hear the Bill Cowher rumors. He'd make Jerry pee his pants, though. I don't find it surprising that they didn't even bring in Mike Singletary for an interview before hiring Wade Phillips. He's straight OG and commands the respect of those around him.

Spursfan092120
11-06-2009, 04:16 PM
I get giddy when I hear the Bill Cowher rumors. He'd make Jerry pee his pants, though. I don't find it surprising that they didn't even bring in Mike Singletary for an interview before hiring Wade Phillips. He's straight OG and commands the respect of those around him.
I would have loved Singletary, but who knew what he would have been able to do at the time. Cowher is the one I really want...I just don't see it happening, so I didn't mention it.

Dr. Gonzo
11-06-2009, 04:54 PM
Cowher's family has a house in Carolina and he graduated college at NC State. I think he will be Carolina bound after this season.

Spursfan092120
11-06-2009, 05:01 PM
Cowher's family has a house in Carolina and he graduated college at NC State. I think he will be Carolina bound after this season.
Very possible. He's mentioned Carolina as an option pretty recently. Love to see him in Dallas, just don't see it happening. I've said it before and I'll say it again, I think Shanahan would be a perfect fit, and there's those saying the reason he hasn't interviewed for any positions is because he wants to coach in Dallas...same thing with Holmgren.

jack sommerset
11-06-2009, 05:34 PM
Williams needs to not talk.

Spursfan092120
11-07-2009, 11:22 AM
Williams needs to not talk.
He didn't. Apparently the people who reported that story weren't even there, and what they are reporting Roy said, he didn't even say..it was two quotes jumbled together. I guess it's a slow news day...pretty much garbage though.

symple19
11-07-2009, 02:39 PM
Maybe a good way for uh-oh and Williams to connect would be to have sex?

you know, since Romeo like dudes and all...