Ryan Anderson is everything Matt Bonner is not.

[TJastal]

Ryan Anderson's statline last night.

26 mins, 8-14 (3-3 from deep), 10 boards (7 offensive), an assist, a steal, and 20 points.

This guy was phenomenal last night, crashing the offensive glass and spacing the floor for the magic. He scored a variety of ways and played good solid defense.

This is the type of play the spurs need (but will never see) from Matt Bonner.

[DisAsTerBot]

ok

[urunobili]

Anderson > Turkoglu ?

[Stump]

Didn't they play the Suns last night? That kind of dillutes the impressiveness of that stat line.

[Riverwalkman]

The only reason Matt Bonner starting with Duncan is he can spread defense, Ryan Anderson is doing the same thing for Dwight Howard. But he has much better finishing still in paint, and better shoot technique, his releasing point is higher and he releases quicker. On defense, he is not that good, but still he is easily better than Bonner.

[TJastal]

The only reason Matt Bonner starting with Duncan is he can spread defense, Ryan Anderson is doing the same thing for Dwight Howard. But he has much better finishing still in paint, and better shoot technique, his releasing point is higher and he releases quicker. On defense, he is not that good, but still he is easily better than Bonner.

My point is that if Popovich is steadfast on starting a big that can shoot from long range to spread the floor, find one that can also REBOUND the basketball and play defense.

Obviously, they do indeed exist out there, and are reasonably priced.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

My point is that if Popovich is steadfast on starting a big that can shoot from long range to spread the floor, find one that can also REBOUND the basketball and play defense.

Obviously, they do indeed exist out there, and are reasonably priced.

Who would you give from our team in a deal for Anderson? Blair?

[NickiRasgo]

Ryan Anderson's statline last night.

26 mins, 8-14 (3-3 from deep), 10 boards (7 offensive), an assist, a steal, and 20 points.

This guy was phenomenal last night, crashing the offensive glass and spacing the floor for the magic. He scored a variety of ways and played good solid defense.

This is the type of play the spurs need (but will never see) from Matt Bonner.

http://www.boston.com/sports/basketball/celtics/articles/2009/02/09/granite_stater_was_rockin/

23 points

[SenorSpur]

My point is that if Popovich is steadfast on starting a big that can shoot from long range to spread the floor, find one that can also REBOUND the basketball and play defense..

I wish Pop would give up on this idea. It's not as though TD is continousuly drawing double teams, as he once did. Besides, Bonner's last 2 playoff performances have been enough to convince me that this idea may be suitable for the regular season, but failed for the playoffs. Bonner IS NOT the 2nd coming of Robert Horry.

Besides, it's unrealistic for Pop to demand improvements in overall defensive efficiency, when two-fifths of his starting lineup (Finley & Bonner) are serious defensive liabilities.

[admiralsnackbar]

Besides, it's unrealistic for Pop to demand improvements in overall defensive efficiency, when two-fifths of his starting lineup (Finley & Bonner) are serious defensive liabilities.

It's also unneccessary to assume that current rotations will be in place at the end of the season.

[TJastal]

Who would you give from our team in a deal for Anderson? Blair?

Doubt they'd go for that trade with their own version of "The Beast" Brandon Bass already backing up the PF spot. If Bass wasn't there I could see them thinking about it though.

[SenorSpur]

It's also unneccessary to assume that current rotations will be in place at the end of the season.

If you don't think that Pop will continue "milking" minutes from Bonner, as part of his regular rotation, you've been asleep the past two years.

[TJastal]

http://www.boston.com/sports/basketball/celtics/articles/2009/02/09/granite_stater_was_rockin/

23 points

Bonner played 36 mins in that game too. Did he get double figure rebounds even? No.

Your next assignment Nicki: Find the last game Bonner pulled down double figure rebounds. Go!

[spurs_fan_in_exile]

If he was everything that Bonner is not he'd be a four foot tall black woman with green hair and an allergy to bread.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

So, is the point of the thread that you woke up to the fact there is a better player than one of the Spurs players and decided we shouldn't play our player because there are other better ones in other teams?

[TJastal]

If he was everything that Bonner is not he'd be a four foot tall black woman with green hair and an allergy to bread.

But she would still outrebound him.

:rollin

[Mel_13]

So, is the point of the thread that you woke up to the fact there is a better player than one of the Spurs players and decided we shouldn't play our player because there are other better ones in other teams?

The OP hates Matt Bonner. He apparently is not really committed to his hate, so he tries to justify it with an objective foundation. He is, however, rather undisciplined in searching for objective evidence so his case is usually easy to expose. In this case, he has just set up a strawman that is completely irrelevant.

[TJastal]

The OP hates Matt Bonner. He apparently is not really committed to his hate, so he tries to justify it with an objective foundation. He is, however, rather undisciplined in searching for objective evidence so his case is usually easy to expose. In this case, he has just set up a strawman that is completely irrelevant.

Objective evidence was given. I'll reiterate the case. Ryan Anderson is a
3pt shooting specialist PF/C who makes 1/3 of what Bonner is making but can also do other things like, um, REBOUND THE BASKETBALL.

Is that objective enough for you?

[Mel_13]

Objective evidence was given. I'll reiterate the case. Ryan Anderson is a
3pt shooting specialist PF/C who makes 1/3 of what Bonner is making but can also do other things like, um, REBOUND THE BASKETBALL.

Is that objective enough for you?

Look up strawman.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

The OP hates Matt Bonner. He apparently is not really committed to his hate, so he tries to justify it with an objective foundation. He is, however, rather undisciplined in searching for objective evidence so his case is usually easy to expose. In this case, he has just set up a strawman that is completely irrelevant.

True, how is he going to search for objective evidence, since the evidence - Bonner's rebounding rate for his career or as a Spur - does not back his accusations...

[admiralsnackbar]

If you don't think that Pop will continue "milking" minutes from Bonner, as part of his regular rotation, you've been asleep the past two years.

I don't doubt Bonner will continue to see playing time, no, but Pop didn't have much to work with in the frontcourt the past 2 years when he wanted to spread the floor -- KT wasn't playing demonstrably better than Bonner (offensively or otherwise), and Fab was only useful under the basket. There are more choices this year.

[EmptyMan]

I was foolish to think the Spurs could win a championship this year with Bonner still having a big role in the rotation.

[ShoogarBear]

But she would still outrebound him.

:rollin

I've never seen sfie be a straight man before.





Um, not that there anything wrong with that . . .

[wildbill2u]

Anderson was 21st pick in draft. Bonner was 45th. So Anderson SHOULD be doing twice as good as Bonner, right?

Last year he was .393% in FG and .36% in 3pt. Bonner's career avg. is .476% and .409%

But the biggest difference is that, like many other players you could compare to Bonner, they play on different teams.

[spurs_fan_in_exile]

I've never seen sfie be a straight man before.





Um, not that there anything wrong with that . . .


:lol It's happened before. I'm pretty sure I've unintentionally thrown a few softballs that you and Ed have knocked out of the park.

[TJastal]

Anderson was 21st pick in draft. Bonner was 45th. So Anderson SHOULD be doing twice as good as Bonner, right?

Last year he was .393% in FG and .36% in 3pt. Bonner's career avg. is .476% and .409%

But the biggest difference is that, like many other players you could compare to Bonner, they play on different teams.

Biggest difference is one actually offers something other than 3pt shooting to the outcomes of the games.

That's the point I'm driving home, is Ryan Anderson proves you can have a guy who can spread the floor but can still do other things such as rebound the basketball. He shows that it is possible to stand out on the 3pt line a good majority of the time like Bonner does, but still find time to corral 7 offensive rebounds (something Bonner has never done, or never will).

[Solid D]

Ryan Anderson's statline last night.

26 mins, 8-14 (3-3 from deep), 10 boards (7 offensive), an assist, a steal, and 20 points.

This guy was phenomenal last night, crashing the offensive glass and spacing the floor for the magic. He scored a variety of ways and played good solid defense.

This is the type of play the spurs need (but will never see) from Matt Bonner.

I wish you would have brought this up earlier this week. Pop could have read about this during the 4-day break and had time to do something about this! :depressed Now, they have already flown to Salt Lake City.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Ryan Anderson proves you can have a guy who can spread the floor but can still do other things such as rebound the basketball. He shows that it is possible to stand out on the 3pt line a good majority of the time like Bonner does, but still find time to corral 7 offensive rebounds (something Bonner has never done, or never will).

Actually he has, but then again, it's just facts, what do they mean in the face of a proper moan.

[Agloco]

My point is that if Popovich is steadfast on starting a big that can shoot from long range to spread the floor, find one that can also REBOUND the basketball and play defense.

Obviously, they do indeed exist out there, and are reasonably priced.

Then suggest one oh great one. And if you can call the FO of the team the other player is coming from and let them know this has your stamp of approval, that would be great also.

[anakha]

He shows that it is possible to stand out on the 3pt line a good majority of the time like Bonner does, but still find time to corral 7 offensive rebounds (something Bonner has never done, or never will).

http://www.nba.com/playerfile/matt_bonner/career_stats.html

Three times, actually.

You may proceed with the rest of your rant.

[TJastal]

Actually he has, but then again, it's just facts, what do they mean in the face of a proper moan.

Name the game.

Grade school doesn't count.

[Mel_13]

My point


That's the point

:lol

[toki9]

Name the game.

Grade school doesn't count.

Looks like:

Against Chicago, 1/17/2009: 7 (Offensive Boards) / 4 (Defensive Boards) / 12 (Points)

Against Atlanta, 12/10/2008: 7 / 6 / 9

Against Atlanta, 12/31/2006: 7 / 4 / 8

[ChumpDumper]

Ryan Anderson's statline last night.

26 mins, 8-14 (3-3 from deep), 10 boards (7 offensive), an assist, a steal, and 20 points.

This guy was phenomenal last night, crashing the offensive glass and spacing the floor for the magic. He scored a variety of ways and played good solid defense.

This is the type of play the spurs need (but will never see) from Matt Bonner.Great, let's trade Parker for Anderson.

[AussieFanKurt]

Anderson > Bonner x10

[DAF86]

Did we ever had the chance to have this Anderson guy, via draft, reasonable trade or free agency? If not, I don't see the point of this thread.

It's like starting a thread saying that "Rasheed Wallace is everything Matt Bonner is not."

[Mel_13]

Did we ever had the chance to have this Anderson guy, via draft, reasonable trade or free agency? If not, I don't see the point of this thread.

It's like starting a thread saying that "Rasheed Wallace is everything Matt Bonner is not."

Bingo:toast

[angelbelow]

Did we ever had the chance to have this Anderson guy, via draft, reasonable trade or free agency? If not, I don't see the point of this thread.

It's like starting a thread saying that "Rasheed Wallace is everything Matt Bonner is not."

Good post.

[alfahdlan]

[quote=He shows that it is possible to stand out on the 3pt line a good majority of the time like Bonner does, but still find time to corral 7 offensive rebounds (something Bonner has never done, or never will).[/quote]

Ponder, may be its because of the team concept of defense. Bonner stays mainly on the perimeter on the offensive and goes back quickly for defense to deny fastbreak points. He can't get many offensive rebounds playing like that. On defense, he was most often with TD who grabs most of the rebounds. Meantime, trust Coach Pop. He may be masking what the team real strength is to muddle the opposition's preparation against us, while also incorporatring the new addition in the process.

[King]

Good game for Anderson. The 2-14 (1-11 3p) performance in his previous game wasn't.

[phxspurfan]

So random

[SamoanTD]

ryan anderson is just on and off jus like bonner he hits his shots when he hits his shots. With the rebounding he only gets those becuz 3 people from the other team are trying to box out Dwight howard. lol

[jcrod]

Did we ever had the chance to have this Anderson guy, via draft, reasonable trade or free agency? If not, I don't see the point of this thread.

It's like starting a thread saying that "Rasheed Wallace is everything Matt Bonner is not."

It was rumored the Spurs were very interested in him. For obvious reasons, who was picked higher by the Nets. So who knows.

[exstatic]

My point is that if Popovich is steadfast on starting a big that can shoot from long range to spread the floor, find one that can also REBOUND the basketball and play defense.

Obviously, they do indeed exist out there, and are reasonably priced.

Yeah, they're reasonably priced if you can draft at #21. Pull your head out of your ass. The Spurs haven't had a pick that high since they wasted that #1 pick on some guy named Duncan in '97.

[anakha]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/stats?playerId=1996
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/stats?playerId=3412

Funny how the guy the OP was touting as being all-around better than Bonner has less rebounds, assists, blocks, and a lower FG%.

Hopefully the OP has got his premature ejaculation problem under control.

[EricB]

Meh, bonner is one of those guys that could do like he did last night and people will still find stuff to bitch about.

[buttsR4rebounding]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/stats?playerId=1996
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/stats?playerId=3412

Funny how the guy the OP was touting as being all-around better than Bonner has less rebounds, assists, blocks, and a lower FG%.

Hopefully the OP has got his premature ejaculation problem under control.

Anderson has a higher scoring average, but takes 9 shots per game to Bonner's 6 while outscoring him by 2 points/game.

[anakha]

Boo Hiss!! You're not a true fan if you question a Spur.

Evidently you never read the first post in this thread.

Do you actually agree that Anderson is a better overall player than Bonner?

[resistanze]

Carmelo Anthony is better than Keith Bogans.

[EricB]

Boo Hiss!! You're not a true fan if you question a Spur.


Boo hiss, your a total fucking moron if you can't read.

[vander]

Anderson was the most important part of that trade, I said it when it happened, NJ is run by idiots

[anakha]

Did you?

The guy was comparing Anderson to Bonner and assumed because of one game that Anderson is a better overall player. I showed that that statement is off.

You come in with you sarcastic remark that Bonner shouldn't be criticized, When that wasn't the point of the thread, nor of my remarks.

So, once again,


Evidently you never read the first post in this thread.

Do you actually agree that Anderson is a better overall player than Bonner?

[sabar]

Spurs need to miss the playoffs a few years when Duncan is gone to cull the ranks and make fans a bit more humble. The obsession with a 3-point shooting role player here is ridiculous. It'd make more sense to focus energy on an inconsistent Jefferson or Hill, especially when one makes 5 times more cash than Bonner and is a central piece.

[5in10]

Why are people still posting on this thread?

[exstatic]

I would of put quotes if I was talking about your remarks, you idiot.

You quoted anakha's post, and now you're trying to spin that you weren't responding to it? You belong in the political forum, dude. :lol

[exstatic]

Ryan Anderson's statline last night.

26 mins, 8-14 (3-3 from deep), 10 boards (7 offensive), an assist, a steal, and 20 points.

This guy was phenomenal last night, crashing the offensive glass and spacing the floor for the magic. He scored a variety of ways and played good solid defense.

This is the type of play the spurs need (but will never see) from Matt Bonner.

Premature adulation forum. Damn, dude, you got a face full.

[The Truth #6]

Who is Ryan Anderson? He's the Matt Bullard v.2 guy for the Rockets, right? Let's be happy Bonner is playing well off the bench. If we can ride him through the regular season for decent production while getting the other power forwards acclimated and keeping them free of injury, then I'd say it's a success, especially if Blair can rebound consistently, which then gives a well balanced attack.

[exstatic]

Do you see me quoting someone in my first post I made that what's his face took argument to Magoo?

I see you quote him in post #54, he quotes your #54 quote in #56, and you deny talking to him in #57.

[duhoh]

Ryan Anderson's statline last night.

26 mins, 8-14 (3-3 from deep), 10 boards (7 offensive), an assist, a steal, and 20 points.

This guy was phenomenal last night, crashing the offensive glass and spacing the floor for the magic. He scored a variety of ways and played good solid defense.

This is the type of play the spurs need (but will never see) from Matt Bonner.

so what is your solution?
or is this just :whine

[exstatic]

But did you see me quote him in my first post, wow... :lmao

So, you were talking to him on this page, but when he scoffs you, you pretend you aren't, or refer to some earlier post on another page? Wow...:lmao

This isn't school. He doesn't need your permission to post at you, whether you were talking to him or not. :lol

[thispego]

init2winit is a complete moron, exstatic, what do you expect?

[anakha]

I would of put quotes if I was talking about your remarks, you idiot.

Don't sidestep my question.

You said this:


Boo Hiss!! You're not a true fan if you question a Spur.

When the point of the thread was Anderson > Bonner, not about questioning Bonner.

Are you then saying that Anderson > Bonner?

[draft87]

Why are people still posting on this thread?


" Ryan Anderson is everything Matt Bonner is not."

sounds like the title of a blog by a 16 year old suburban white girl bragging to the wide world of high school girlfriends that her she has a new boyfriend and is 'totally over' her ex-bfnf(boyfriendNOTforever)

...I don't even think that term is even used but I work with teenagers and they say some weird stuff....

[SenorSpur]

"Ryan Anderson is everything Matt Bonner is not"

Not since Bonner has demonstrated the ability to put it on the floor and get to the rack. Let's see Anderson do that. :lol

[NickiRasgo]

Watchasay?

[stealthjbravo]

"ryan anderson is everything matt bonner is not"

not since bonner has demonstrated the ability to put it on the floor and get to the rack. Let's see anderson do that. :lol

+1

[wireonfire]

"Ryan Anderson is everything Matt Bonner is not"

Not since Bonner has demonstrated the ability to put it on the floor and get to the rack. Let's see Anderson do that. :lol

Bonner didn't exactly succeed in doing that. Actually Anderson can put the ball on the floor and attack the basket quite well. And he is 21.

[TJastal]

Who made this dumb thread? ...:downspin:

Okay, seriously

Bonner deserves credit the past 4-5 games. He's improved his defense some and rebounding heaps and bounds better. He has elevated his game substantially and totally blown apart is one-trick pony label. Hopefully he can continue this trend.

That said, Ryan Anderson may be available at some point in the near future.

He is now getting DNP's.. I kind of knew it was gonna happen once Lewis came back from suspension, both their games are redundant and SVG finally figured out that Bass is too good to let goto waste on the bench.