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angel_luv
11-05-2009, 01:50 PM
The Assignment:

The Modern Woman.

Define her. What is she really about? Independence? Can devotion to her man/women still be pertinent to a modern day women? Can she still be domestic and rule the board room with the big boys while holding down the house for her family and children?

Or has society moved in the wrong direction completely by accepting the ever increasing role a women plays in the shaping of the world around us via the workforce and the Government? Divorce is up, crime is up, education is down and we're in a world where instability in the home is the norm rather than the exception. Is this a result of women redefining who and what they are?

Be fair from both angles. Then wrap it up with your opinion.



Women today have to multi-task in more arenas than any generation before.

When Adam and Eve fell in the Garden of Eden, woman kind was punished with greatly increased pains in childbearing. In addition God told Eve that her desire would be for her husband and he would rule over her. (Genesis 3) On Adam, fell the burden of being the bread winner. Man would earn his living by “the sweat of his brow”.

But for many women today, working in the corporate world is not a luxury but rather a necessity.
In many households it takes the sweat of both the father and the mother’s brows to create enough income for the family to survive. Ironically, after a long hard fought battle for liberation- think suffrage ((http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suffrage#Women.27s_suffrage ) and sexual liberation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_revolution ),women are now finding themselves burdened in brand new ways.
In May 2009, a show on NPR was dedicated to the plight of working mothers.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=103805856&ft=1&f=1006

The online job site Careerbuilder.com surveyed nearly 500 full-time working mothers with children younger than 18. One-third said they feel burned out. Fourteen percent said they've taken on second jobs in the past year to help make ends meet. Many are working longer hours, especially if their company has had to lay off workers.

The modern woman wears many uniforms on a daily basis- the chef’s hat for family meals, the chauffer’s hat shuttling kids to school and appointments, the business suit at the office, lingerie in the bedroom. The Modern woman is expected to be excellent in all the roles she fulfills and by no one more than herself.
The modern woman is prepared to climb the corporate ladder while wearing high heels. And she is doing just that!
http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune500/2009/womenceos/
Currently, 15 FORTUNE 500 companies are run by women, and a total of 28 FORTUNE 1000 companies have women in the top job. That's up from last year, when 12 FORTUNE 500 and 24 FORTUNE 1000 companies were run by women.

Obviously, a woman cannot be two places at once. Mathematically speaking, if a woman is dividing her time and energy between homemaking and working a career, she cannot give 100% of her attention to either place 24/7. So the challenge facing today’s modern woman is to give 100% to whatever task she is doing at any given time.

But maybe that’s why they say it takes a village to raise a child. True, maybe not every mom can get off work at three o’clock to pick up her child from work. But maybe a grandmother or uncle can. A child does need quality time with his mother but who says that has to be at three o’clock in the afternoon. A child needs love. A child needs a schedule. A child needs stability.
All of which can be provided through the teamwork of family and friends- all working together to care for the child.

So is it possible that the modern woman can give her all to reports and mergers from 9-5 while she is at work and, when her shift is over, also be completely at home with her husband and kids, both in body and mind? I’d like to think so.

Is such a lifestyle that is physically and emotionally healthy for a woman to sustain longterm? I don't know.

I do think that goals and schedules are something that should be regularly examined and re-evaluated. I think certain senarios work for some people while being detrimental to others. I think some things are good short term options though they would not work on a permanent basis.

In short, some things work for some people in certain seasons. For example, many women have stayed home with their toddlers and taken part or full times jobs once their kids begin in elementary school. Some women take seasonal jobs to earn extra money for their families at Christmas time.

With so many hats to don on a daily basis and because she has to be so many things to so many people, the modern woman’s life does get messy and she herself gets confused from time to time.

Some may say the modern woman sealed her own current plights by demanding the right to get in the game, by avenues such as suffrage and sexual liberation.
Others argue that women are just playing the hand they were dealt in the best way they know how.
Perhaps the truth lies somewhere in the middle.

Women are not responsible for all that is right with the world nor are they at fault for all that is wrong with it.

Better than arguing who was right or wrong in regards to woman’s ever evolving role in society, I think every woman owes it to examine her own life and her own family. The world needs to change in numerous areas and in all those areas the necessary impact is going to be made one person, one family, one modern woman at a time.

BacktoBasics
11-05-2009, 01:58 PM
Now that's how you knock out an assignment. Great work.

I've always felt that it had to be a counter balance of sorts. A women can't do it all, there has to be delegation of responsibility. As the role of a women grows in one direction the role of the man(or other woman) will have to branch off equally.

Which is where the failure occurs and the family breaks apart. Men are raised to work and come home to be pampered or tended to. When the women is out earning her keep how can she not come home and expect the same. There has to be a balance.

CosmicCowboy
11-05-2009, 01:59 PM
Good report. Now get in the kitchen and cook Sequ a pie!...:lol

BacktoBasics
11-05-2009, 02:00 PM
I'm curious.

With your opening line pertaining to Adam and Eve and the gender roles being pre-assigned are you in fact comfortable with the working modern women? Does that not conflict with your belief structure?

PM5K
11-05-2009, 02:04 PM
:sleep

tlongII
11-05-2009, 02:04 PM
I thought it was good work too. I was little worried with the way it started out, but Angel then performed a very insightful analysis. I give it 2 thumbs up. :tu :tu

Trainwreck2100
11-05-2009, 02:06 PM
Fuck the modern woman

BacktoBasics
11-05-2009, 02:07 PM
Fuck the modern womanNO! She FUCKS you

angel_luv
11-05-2009, 02:09 PM
I'm curious.

With your opening line pertaining to Adam and Eve and the gender roles being pre-assigned are you in fact comfortable with the working modern women? Does that not conflict with your belief structure?



Both Adam and Eve had active roles in caring for the Garden. I believe God has always intended for men and women to be useful.
And if Adam and Eve had not sinned in the Garden and brought a curse on mankind, I believe everyone would enjoy their work.

Growing up, I always wanted to be a homemaker. I never wanted to be a career woman.
I work ( at the mall) because at this point of my life it is a financial necessity.
The New Testament is clear that someone who is not willingly to work should not expect to eat, so it is in accordance with my Biblical believes that I work.

koriwhat
11-05-2009, 02:11 PM
Both Adam and Eve had active roles in caring for the Garden. I believe God has always intended for men and women to be useful.
And if Adam and Eve had not sinned in the Garden and brought a curse on mankind, I believe everyone would enjoy their work.

Growing up, I always wanted to be a homemaker. I never wanted to be a career woman.
I work ( at the mall) because at this point of my life it is a financial necessity.
The New Testament is clear that someone who is not willingly to work should not expect to eat, so it is in accordance with my Biblical believes that I work.

adam and eve are fictional... eve has nothing to do with the modern woman. not to get into some sort of religious conversation but come on now.

Frenzy
11-05-2009, 02:12 PM
Fuck the modern woman
haha jeeze..


I take it you have had a bad past with women? most of your post and whatnot are...well angry or bitter to the Vomans..

BacktoBasics
11-05-2009, 02:13 PM
adam and eve are fictional... eve has nothing to do with the modern woman. not to get into some sort of religious conversation but come on now.Seriously. Lets not go down this path.

mrsmaalox
11-05-2009, 02:13 PM
Fuck the modern woman

Hopefully, one day, you might get to :)

Trainwreck2100
11-05-2009, 02:14 PM
haha jeeze..


I take it you have had a bad past with women? most of your post and whatnot are...well angry or bitter to the Vomans..

i have no idea what you are referring to what "other posts?"

angel_luv
11-05-2009, 02:14 PM
Thanks guys. :)

BacktoBasics
11-05-2009, 02:20 PM
The question really should be asked.

Are we better off with equality or would a return to old school gender roles benefit society a whole more?

easjer
11-05-2009, 02:21 PM
Now that's how you knock out an assignment. Great work.

I've always felt that it had to be a counter balance of sorts. A women can't do it all, there has to be delegation of responsibility. As the role of a women grows in one direction the role of the man(or other woman) will have to branch off equally.

Which is where the failure occurs and the family breaks apart. Men are raised to work and come home to be pampered or tended to. When the women is out earning her keep how can she not come home and expect the same. There has to be a balance.

No one can do it all, man or woman. And this may be one the truest and most insightful things I've seen you post, B2B. I'm feeling vaguely unsettled and frightened. . . :lol

BacktoBasics
11-05-2009, 02:22 PM
No one can do it all, man or woman. And this may be one the truest and most insightful things I've seen you post, B2B. I'm feeling vaguely unsettled and frightened. . . :lol
I'm very misunderstood here. :lol

angel_luv
11-05-2009, 02:26 PM
The question really should be asked.

Are we better off with equality or would a return to old school gender roles benefit society a whole more?

Something I thought of when working on the assignment:

A lot of times women who try to make a name a fortune for themselves in the work place get looked down upon as greedy.

But back in early England for example, women who married well- who made a good match- were celebrated as having done a great thing for their families.

So I wonder, is the "strategy" that is frowned upon now is the same that used to be encouraged back then, only its just being played out in a different arena?

Are there only certain areas- I.E. " ladylike" areas- in which it is viewed okay for a woman to be highly motivated?

easjer
11-05-2009, 02:26 PM
The question really should be asked.

Are we better off with equality or would a return to old school gender roles benefit society a whole more?

Does it have to be gender roles? Is it good enough for one parent to be a bread-winner if the other stays home? Because early on, biology demanded that mothers stay with the offspring because their breasts provided the food for the child, gender roles and attitudes developed.

But in this modern age, we have breast pumps and formula, and evidence shows that both parents are capable of bonding with and attaching to the child and the child can bond pretty well with either parent. And more women are going to college and earning advanced degrees and being hired at the highest levels, providing them with the potential to outearn their spouses/partners, as opposed to older cultures where women were uneducated and incapable of working outside the home in jobs above menial labor.

So is the ideal a return to a home-making parent and a working parent, or the return of women to the home?

There could be an excellent case made for returning to a one-parent-at-home model, but I think it's hard-pressed to make as good a case for women alone being that parent.

easjer
11-05-2009, 02:27 PM
I'm very misunderstood here. :lol

;)

(also, truest? :rolleyes er, truthful might have been a better choice. eh, I'm eating and typing at the same time)

BacktoBasics
11-05-2009, 02:36 PM
I would seriously bake some awesome pie if I could be a stay at home man. I'd always have something sexy on when she gets home. The house would be clean, her cloths would be placed out perfectly. Then I'd go down on her while she watches her Lifetime shows.

Bliss.

CosmicCowboy
11-05-2009, 02:37 PM
I would seriously bake some awesome pie if I could be a stay at home man. I'd always have something sexy on when she gets home. The house would be clean, her cloths would be placed out perfectly. Then I'd go down on her while she watches her Lifetime shows.

Bliss.

:lmao

CosmicCowboy
11-05-2009, 02:38 PM
fucking lifetime channel. I should block that shit on the big screen in the living room.

stretch
11-05-2009, 02:40 PM
*yawn*

*bore*

easjer
11-05-2009, 02:48 PM
I would seriously bake some awesome pie if I could be a stay at home man. I'd always have something sexy on when she gets home. The house would be clean, her cloths would be placed out perfectly. Then I'd go down on her while she watches her Lifetime shows.

Bliss.

:rollin

Funny. We have seriously talked about SFIE staying home before, and if I were to get a better-paying job, it would be under serious consideration to save daycare costs. The simple economic fact is that I have a higher degree and more work experience (because I'm older) and I outearn him right now. So if one of us were to stay home, it makes no economic sense for it to be me.

Also, he does most of the cooking. But this is because I'm admittedly lazy.

easjer
11-05-2009, 02:49 PM
fucking lifetime channel. I should block that shit on the big screen in the living room.

You are seriously underestimating the comedic potential of many Lifetime movies.

Mother, May I Sleep With Danger?! Hilarious.
Fifteen and Pregnant?! One of Kirsten Dunst's greatest early roles.

ploto
11-05-2009, 03:04 PM
:We have seriously talked about SFIE staying home before, and if I were to get a better-paying job, it would be under serious consideration to save daycare costs. The simple economic fact is that I have a higher degree and more work experience (because I'm older) and I outearn him right now. So if one of us were to stay home, it makes no economic sense for it to be me.

I have a good friend whose husband stayed home for 8 years. It worked out really well. They mostly made the choice because she had much better benefits at her job than he did, especially health insurance.

BacktoBasics
11-05-2009, 03:17 PM
You are seriously underestimating the comedic potential of many Lifetime movies.

Mother, May I Sleep With Danger?! Hilarious.
Fifteen and Pregnant?! One of Kirsten Dunst's greatest early roles.He'd be living the dream

ploto
11-05-2009, 03:18 PM
Because of my drive to do things a certain way, I could not to my satisfaction do both at the same time. I was a career woman after college, then a full time mom. Once my kid got older, I became a part-time worker. My priority is still my child, though, and the choice between the two is no contest. I am fortunate. I have a place that values me enough to allow me to work part-time during the day. Even though it is in my career field and I work very hard there, I still do not look upon it as my career right now. That is still mom. I absolutely loved being a full time, stay at home mom, despite the women who acted as if I was betraying all those who fought for women's rights by making that choice. Silly me- I thought the whole point was for a woman to have a choice.

angel_luv
11-05-2009, 03:21 PM
I absolutely loved being a full time, stay at home mom, despite the women who acted as if I was betraying all those who fought for women's rights by making that choice. Silly me- I thought the whole point was for a woman to have a chioce.

Very well stated.

tlongII
11-05-2009, 03:44 PM
I have a good friend whose husband stayed home for 8 years. It worked out really well. They mostly made the choice because she had much better benefits at her job than he did, especially health insurance.

I have a buddy who stayed at home for 6 or 7 years too. They're divorced now.

BeefAnus II
11-05-2009, 04:43 PM
i heard a saying - god made everything in 7 days then rested, god made man then rested, then god made women and sense then neither god nor man has rested. the sad thing is its true lol

MiamiHeat
11-05-2009, 08:59 PM
I think it's time for roles to change.

Let men be the ones who marry wealthy women, and we can be the ones at home posting on ST and playing video games and making some good food for the family.

J.T.
11-05-2009, 10:09 PM
Man got a raw deal having to work for a living if you ask me. Fucking Adam. Money would've grown on trees if not for your stupid, gullible fucking woman.

easjer
11-05-2009, 10:16 PM
Hey, Adam didn't have to eat. He had his own choices there. Eve didn't hold him down and force it in his mouth. Just sayin'.

J.T.
11-05-2009, 10:34 PM
Hey, Adam didn't have to eat. He had his own choices there. Eve didn't hold him down and force it in his mouth. Just sayin'.

Day 8: "Pussy-whipped" enters human vernacular.

Really, had she not been a gullible bitch, we wouldn't be having this conversation and Trainwreck won't have to pay for his first lay ten years down the road from now.