I miss Spurs Defense. [Archive] - SpursTalk.com Forums

Rob123

11-05-2009, 11:17 PM

Remember when we would just stop people cold?

Especially the Suns? Those were good times. I got more excited watching a defensive stop, than anything else.

Do you think we have the pieces to return to Spurs defense, or is it a relic of the past?

I'll take losses, as long as we play tough gritty defense, and totally bitch slap the opposing team around. I dont like losing like we have been recently, going quietly into the night.

TIMMYD!

11-05-2009, 11:25 PM

I miss it too and it might be gone.

YODA

11-05-2009, 11:26 PM

Watching the Utah game now,,,as of now,,,2nd qtr,,its looks pretty bad. actually...very bad. Rotations and help D look ugly. seems like not they dont trust each other on help D

mfanatic

11-05-2009, 11:26 PM

Pop needs to get his head out of his ass and go with
Hill
Manu
Jefferson
Duncan
Theo

kbrury

11-05-2009, 11:27 PM

Rob123

11-05-2009, 11:31 PM

Remember when the nba season started? Oh wait that was like a week ago.

Yeah you're right... Im not panicking or anything. Just reminiscing... you know. I remember staying up late in my dorm watching the Spurs just destroy teams defensively, better times I guess. Your avatar is the brightest spot for bringing back Spurs Defense.

HarlemHeat37

11-05-2009, 11:31 PM

Duncan is still a great defender, but he's not the best defender in the NBA anymore..Bowen isn't here..those factors alone make a huge difference..when you have 2 of the top 5 defenders in the NBA on your team playing inside-outside defense every year, you're always going to be elite..before that, it's impossible NOT to be elite defensively with a Duncan-Robinson frontcourt..so we no longer have that luxury..

Orlando from last year is a good example..they had the #1 defense in the NBA last year, but they didn't necessarily have a number of good defenders..they did have the best defender in the entire NBA in Howard anchoring their D though, and it makes a huge difference..

Other factors include Tony Parker's heavy decline defensively the last few years..the defender next to Duncan isn't a good defender like Horry, or even a good body like Elson/Nazr..Pop has softened..

It's too early to panic, but it's gonna be difficult..

usckk

11-05-2009, 11:39 PM

Mcdyess is not helping the problem. He looks lost.

usckk

11-05-2009, 11:39 PM

Heck at this point. Bonner>McDyess on defense.

barbacoataco

11-05-2009, 11:42 PM

Part of me says the season has just begun, the other part says "no Bowen, no lock-down D."

evi11emons

11-05-2009, 11:45 PM

Calm down the season just started

mfanatic

11-05-2009, 11:49 PM

The season did just start, but look at the contenders, BOSTON, ORLANDO, LA.. how come theyre stopping people and winning? We need another trade and thats it.

MI21

11-05-2009, 11:50 PM

I've got a severe problem with white jumpshooting stiff big men taking the Spurs bigmen off the dribble as if they are Chris Paul. (Brad Miller and now Okur)

alchemist

11-05-2009, 11:56 PM

Calm down the season just started
:toast yes their are some irritating trends right now, hopefully everything will smooth out as the season goes along :downspin:

HarlemHeat37

11-06-2009, 12:00 AM

The season did just start, but look at the contenders, BOSTON, ORLANDO, LA.. how come theyre stopping people and winning? We need another trade and thats it.

Boston is the only one that looks great out of the 3..

Johnny RIngo

11-06-2009, 12:02 AM

It's looking more and more like that Spurs defense is a thing of the past.

mfanatic

11-06-2009, 12:03 AM

Boston is the only one that looks great out of the 3..

LA looks great without their second best player

Orlando looks great without their Vince

Kobe™

11-06-2009, 12:04 AM

LA looks great without their second best player

Look Good, not Great

HarlemHeat37

11-06-2009, 12:07 AM

We're definitely faaaaaaar from being anywhere near the Cs, Lakers, or Magic..I'm just saying, only the Celtics have looked GREAT out of the 3..

Agloco

11-06-2009, 12:10 AM

Mcdyess is not helping the problem. He looks lost.

Remember when the nba season started? Oh wait that was like a week ago.

Spursmania

11-06-2009, 12:18 AM

Our Defense:(

Whisky Dog

11-06-2009, 12:19 AM

They do look fucking horrible and had 4 days to prepare. Not a good sign.

mexicanjunior

11-06-2009, 12:28 AM

I miss Spurs defensive rebounding...it more than anything is killing this team.

SCdac

11-06-2009, 12:29 AM

When will the Matt Bonner / Tim Duncan combination end?

shit I'm almost starting to feel sorry for TD. I'd rather watch McDyess, Blair, and Ratliff try and get acclimated playing with Timmy then see the above duo struggle defensively.

ulosturedge

11-06-2009, 12:29 AM

If they can't stop anyone they are wasting their fucking time out there. I don't care how many points they try and put up.

DPG21920

11-06-2009, 12:30 AM

At this point, I miss Warriors defense.

Rob123

11-06-2009, 12:38 AM

where the fuck is our help defense!

MannyIsGod

11-06-2009, 12:42 AM

Its early and the season and I realize that....but....

Jesus fuck the defense is bad. The Jazz have run screen galore tonight and the defense is horrible. Did these guys forget how to show off screens? They do it for a bit after timeouts but then they forget too. The positioning is horrible as well. The Jazz have simply picked apart this defense.

The silver lining is this will lead to what is hopefully a productive film session.

DPG21920

11-06-2009, 12:47 AM

^

Ya, it will look like a snuff film.

ClingingMars

11-06-2009, 12:52 AM

horrendous...I miss Bowen terribly...I'd take an 86-85 loss like the Cavs had today over this shit

ulosturedge

11-06-2009, 12:54 AM

If Pop could toss fuckin chairs he would. But it's still too early in the season.

HarlemHeat37

11-06-2009, 12:59 AM

It's not like Pop doesn't have a big part in this..

itzsoweezee

11-06-2009, 01:08 AM

play ratliff. play mahinmi. what harm is it going to do? can't be any worse than how they're playing now.

HarlemHeat37

11-06-2009, 01:20 AM

Hairston should be the first guy to play IMO..he earned his spot in camp and preseason, he knows the system, he fills a glaring need, he's a smart and tough player..

Ratliff should be a given, but I guess Pop hates his offense..

Rob123

11-06-2009, 01:20 AM

If you cut off my leg. I think I'd ply better D than bonner.

MannyIsGod

11-06-2009, 01:21 AM

Mahinmi? :LOL We want better defense, not worse.

I think they'll be fine, but for the most part you can tell a lot of the team is new to the system because they're simply bad as positioning so far. The Jazz did an excellent job with screens tonight and passing out of them.

SA210

11-06-2009, 01:23 AM

Pop sold out a few years ago

spurtech09

11-06-2009, 01:28 AM

still early in the season.....

Agloco

11-06-2009, 01:33 AM

where the fuck is our help defense!

Proudly wearing penguin outfits now....

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phxspurfan

11-06-2009, 01:34 AM

The Jazz are the perfect team to expose our defensive weaknesses.

Normally they execute as well or better than any team not named Celtics or Lakers. They also have the players to beat up on our guys and get into our "it's always a foul" heads. And at this point Sloan knows we are not quick on our rotations so he will be pick and rolling and back cutting us to death.

Hell Even Kirilenko went one-on-one.

Rob123

11-06-2009, 01:40 AM

we just need to give up every one of our offensive possessions, and work defense during these next games. Repetition is key. The more shots we give the opponent the more practice we'll get.

VivaPopovich

11-06-2009, 01:41 AM

Remember when we would just stop people cold?

Especially the Suns? Those were good times. I got more excited watching a defensive stop, than anything else.

I LOVED those days. Bruce Bowen was my favorite Spur to watch. It was great watching him match up on Dirk and give him a hard time the way he did.

VivaPopovich

11-06-2009, 01:42 AM

we just need to give up every one of our offensive possessions, and work defense during these next games. Repetition is key. The more shots we give the opponent the more practice we'll get.

There are better ways to work on defense than that. It can become the primary focus during practice

ElNono

11-06-2009, 01:42 AM

I can excuse new guys for not knowing the system, but a couple of starters we have have been here for a few seasons, their D have always sucked, and they still play the bulk of minutes. That's on the coach.
I miss Pop calling a timeout, yelling at somebody's face, then sitting him in the doghouse for the rest of the game. At least you could see he cared and took pride in keeping a high standard.
Nowadays he looks between puzzled and bored at times. He gets pissed occasionally, but there's are no consequences for screwing up.

024

11-06-2009, 01:44 AM

jefferson has the tools to be a good defender but i don't think he has the toughness it requires. defenders like bowen, artest, and battier made it their purpose in life to shut down the opposing team's best player. don't know if jefferson possesses the same passion. it's actually kind of surprising how bowen made the spurs' defense look so good. too bad he's too old now.

Flux451

11-06-2009, 01:47 AM

I sense the starting of Dice soon. Not knocking Bonner, but it may help DIce shake the rust a little faster. Also, I think it may be time to attempt acclimation of Mahimi. Since these games don't seem to count as much now is a good time

alfahdlan

11-06-2009, 02:03 AM

We need to change our starters now!!!! We been murdered in the 1st quarter and that sets the tone for the rest of the game.:bang:bang:bang

SA210

11-06-2009, 02:13 AM

Part of me says the season has just begun, the other part says "no Bowen, no lock-down D."

SA210

11-06-2009, 02:14 AM

We need to change our starters now!!!! We been murdered in the 1st quarter and that sets the tone for the rest of the game.:bang:bang:bang

lennyalderette

11-06-2009, 02:27 AM

im not going with the trend here by any means listen pop is not allowed to fuck up esp. this year with what holt did! im very confident that if our players are proven consistently to screw up (bonner,finley) they wont be starting very long but you have to make a rational decision remember every move is so important. now if they dont improve going to the bench and start playing good basketball then i say you could possibly see a trade! but as for now look for the starting line up to change manana and if it doesnt dont freak out pop will figure it out. i really do hope hes working with haislip and hairston because if hes not thats a problem, other than that just chill to the next episode

SenorSpur

11-06-2009, 03:15 AM

The Spurs gave up 60 points in the first half!

Boston is probably an older team than the Spurs. Yet, even at this early stage of the season, their chemistry, commitment, and defensive intensity are leaps and bounds ahead of the Spurs. Same as last year.