Orlando Office Building Gunman on the loose

[Spursfan092120]

Fucking country's falling apart.

Orlando office building gunman on the loose

1 min ago
ORLANDO, Fla. – Officials said at least eight people were hurt in a shooting at a downtown office building Friday and a gunman was on the loose.
People streamed out of the high-rise building around lunchtime and some told local television stations they had barricaded themselves inside their offices.
Orlando Fire Department District Chief Michael Droege said an unknown number of people were still in the building and could be injured. He said the SWAT team was still trying to pull people out.
"The building is not secure now," he said. "It's still unfolding."
Orlando police were searching for an armed man wearing a light blue polo shirt and jeans, said Orange County Sheriff's Spokesman Jim Solomons, whose department was called in for backup.
Gerry Gilgo, who works on the floor where the shooting occurred, told The Associated Press she was meeting a co-worker at the elevators for lunch.
"She yelled there are gun shots! There are gun shots! Get back in your office," Gilgo said.
Orlando Police Sgt. Barbara Jones confirmed there had been a shooting and multiple people were hurt but she couldn't say how many. She said there is believed to be only one shooter.
The Orlando Fire Department told WESH-TV that at least eight people were injured. Interstate 4 was closed in both directions through downtown and a nearby school was locked down.
Rows of ambulances lined up outside the building as police snipers took up positions around the building and officers on foot and horseback searched the area.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091106/ap_on_re_us/us_orlando_office_shooting

[angel_luv]

This world is a terrible place anymore.

[clambake]

gods will.

[Spursfan092120]

This world is a terrible place anymore.
so sad.

[Dr. Gonzo]

Fucking Muslims.

[Spursfan092120]

Fucking Muslims.
Some scary shit. Yesterday Ft. Hood, today Orlando...what's next?

[clambake]

the shooters name is rodriguiz.

[clambake]

why do mexicans hate amerika?

[Dr. Gonzo]

the shooters name is rodriguiz.

It's the new breed of Mexican Muslim.

[MannyIsGod]

This world is a terrible place anymore.

Fewer killings today than in the past. Crime and suffering all continue to fall year after year. The world is a better place today in spite of these horrible events.

[Spursfan092120]

the shooters name is rodriguiz.
Yep..Jason Rodriguez..40 years old. Driving a 2002 silver Nissan SUV. License plate D119UX. He used to work there.

[balli]

Fewer killings today than in the past. Crime and suffering all continue to fall year after year. The world is a better place today in spite of these horrible events.
Maybe this is better suited for the politics forum thread, but as long as we're on the subject- There's a great TED video about The Myth of Violence (as pertaining to the modern era)

http://www.ted.com/talks/steven_pinker_on_the_myth_of_violence.html

[Spursfan092120]

Maybe this is better suited for the politics forum thread, but as long as we're on the subject- There's a great TED video about The Myth of Violence (as pertaining to the modern era)

http://www.ted.com/talks/steven_pinker_on_the_myth_of_violence.html
Maybe..but a lot of people don't go on the politics forum anymore...too many people getting pissed off about things we can't control, and it's a war in there. I used to go in there, till I found out there were "teams" of demos and repubs. I thought we were one country.

[Dr. Gonzo]

Maybe..but a lot of people don't go on the politics forum anymore...too many people getting pissed off about things we can't control, and it's a war in there. I used to go in there, till I found out there were "teams" of demos and repubs. I thought we were one country.

I think it's time the Whig party makes a comeback.

[angel_luv]

Fewer killings today than in the past. Crime and suffering all continue to fall year after year. The world is a better place today in spite of these horrible events.

I respect your opinion, but I do not share it.

[balli]

Maybe..but a lot of people don't go on the politics forum anymore...too many people getting pissed off about things we can't control, and it's a war in there. I used to go in there, till I found out there were "teams" of demos and repubs. I thought we were one country.
I gut people in there. And get gutted.

If you ask me this country is headed towards another civil war. Hard to say if that'll come sooner rather than later, but we're not one country and I know which side I'm on.

As sad as that is.

[balli]

I respect your opinion, but I do not share it.

His opinion is statistically valid. Conclusively. I don't think you understand just how violent the middle ages were. I know you want to believe we're on the doorstep of the rapture, but I suggest you watch that video I posted.

[MannyIsGod]

I respect your opinion, but I do not share it.

Why do you believe differently?

[Soul_Patch]

I respect your opinion, but I do not share it.

Unfortunately it is a fact, not an opinion.

[angel_luv]

Why do you believe differently?

Yes we moved out of the dark ages, so now the blood shed and violence in the world is more high tech. I don't really see that as an improvement.

I believe we as a nation and a world have become de-sensitized ( sp?) in a lot of ways to the horror that goes on around us.

Violent crimes, things like school shootings and terrorist attacks, are no longer things that are out of the ordinary.
When they happen people feel sad but, sadly, people are no longer surprised.

There are people who have multiple abortions, simply because they can.

There are the murders that occur on yearly basis. And add to that death toll all the death row executions that take place.
Sure, executions are not as blood and guts messy as they once were but still it is the end of human life.
I have heard the lethal injection described as an "easy way to die". If you study the process, you know it is anything but.

Every evening news segment seems to report at least one malicious crim against an individual or animal- and that is just our local news.


In general, I think people are not as conscientious ( sp?) as they once used to be about what they watch, what they say, and how they behave.

Take for example Matlock and Murder she wrote ( murder mystery shows my grandma used to watch) and compare it with today's way more graphic shows like CSI and Law and Order.
Violent images are a lot more accepted today than they were fifty years ago.

In the same way, there are commercials on during primetime like the ones for male enhancement drugs that were never on so early when I was a kid.

Cartoons never had vulgarities in them when I was a kid like Family Guy does today.

The way people walk around swearing- that is something that simply was not done by most people in my grandparents generation.
People use to temper their language at the very least when women were present. Now no one blinks when women curse. In fact, a lot of people find it to be funny.

Consider also the graphic sex scenes in movies. On television shows in my grandparents era, husbands and wives slept in different beds.

There are people who claim to be bi-sexual in order to be trendy. Reality television allows people to become famous for acting badly.

And people everywhere feel it is okay to be mean to each other on a daily basis and call it entertainment.
When I first joined this forum, it was a rare thing when someone was mean to someone. Now it happens in every thread and usually for no reason at all.
I can't even recommend the site anymore because I am afraid of what someone's kid might read on here and that is really sad to me.

[EmptyMan]

Dude went back to his mother's house.

Props to FL. officials/officers.

______________________________________________

Angel_Luv, it's all good.. No need to worry until we start feeding people to lions in the middle of AT&T Center.

[clambake]

Maybe..but a lot of people don't go on the politics forum anymore...too many people getting pissed off about things we can't control, and it's a war in there. I used to go in there, till I found out there were "teams" of demos and repubs. I thought we were one country.

:lol says the birther.

[balli]

There are people who have multiple abortions, simply because they can.
Hmmmmmmmmmmm. Did you know pregnant women were routinely eveicerated for sport during the middle ages. Set loose and hunted by packs of knights on horseback. Her and her child's death being treated as a game.


There are the murders that occur on yearly basis. And add to that death toll all the death row executions that occur as a result.
Sure, executions are not as blood and guys messy as they once were but still it is the end of human life.
I have heard the lethal injection described as an "easy way to die". If you study the process, you know it is anything but.
In biblical times, at the behest of the bible itself actually, people were put to death for crimes far less severe than murder. And they weren't given a shot- they were put on public display and bludgeoned to death with rocks. I know you're a literalist, so I must ask, have you done your duty and stoned any adulterer's today?


Every evening news segment seems to report at least one malicious crime against an individual or animal- and that is just our local news.In Roman times men and animals were often pitted against each other in vicious and bloody battles to the death. Not only was this not admonished by the local Roman media, it was cheered on and enjoyed by crowds of thousands.


Take for example Matlock and Murder she wrote ( murder mystery shows my grandma used to watch) and compare it with today's way more graphic shows like CSI and Law and Order.
Violent images are a lot more accepted today than they were fifty years ago.
So the world's not more violent? We're just more accepting of violent images. If that were true we'd still have a Colosseum. Just because your grandmommy's generation pulled some wool over their own eyes, doesn't mean the world was any more decent.


In the same way, there are commercials on during primetime like the ones for male enhancement drugs that were never on so early when I was a kid.Well god knows that in a world where women were once gutted for sport, we should all fear the big bad Viagra ads. lol


On television shows in my grandparents era, husbands and wives slept in different beds.
Dagnamit, todays husbands and wives are actually having sex. We're all headed to hell in a handbasket.


And on and on and on.

You're crazy. your whole thesis seems to be that we should turn the clock back to the ultra-repressed and deeply unhappy facade of the 1950's. That we should adopt some puritanical and completely farcical appearance of rigid morality. Laughable.

[BacktoBasics]

I respect your opinion, but I do not share it.
You're a victim of modern day technology. The crime isn't more rampant the reporting and media sensationalism is.

[angel_luv]

You are a classic example of what I mean Balli.
Why is it so impossible to have a civilized debate where we both present our views and hear the other out? I thought stating views and exchanging ideas were what public forums were all about. And, are the insults really necessary?

[angel_luv]

You're a victim of modern day technology. The crime isn't more rampant the reporting and media sensationalism is.

That is true. I certainly have more access to information than any generation previous me.

Maybe both my and Manny's blanket statements are incorrect. Maybe in many ways the world is a better place. But I still don't think that in every sense the world is a better place.

[balli]

You are a classic example of what I mean Balli.
Why is it so impossible to have a civilized debate where we both present our views and hear the other out? I thought stating views and exchanging ideas were what public forums were all about. And, are the insults really necessary?
When did I insult you besides when I decimated your argument? When I called you crazy? You're proposing that we ban images of queen size beds lest the childrens get any kind of bad ideas. I'm not trying to be mean, but that's fucking nuts.

[BacktoBasics]

That is true. I certainly have more access to information than any generation previous me.

Maybe both my and Manny's blanket statements are incorrect. Maybe in many ways the world is a better place. But I still don't think that in every sense the world is a better place.I think you underestimate the amount or degree of violence in the ages before us. Even within the last 100 years. Back in the day the media would report crimes but they rarely would go into such detail as they do now. The picture isn't painted as vividly as it is today. Shock sells.

[angel_luv]

I think you underestimate the amount or degree of violence in the ages before us. Even within the last 100 years. Back in the day the media would report crimes but they rarely would go into such detail as they do now. The picture isn't painted as vividly as it is today. Shock sells.

But that is part of what I was trying to say. We today tolerate the media reporting as we do.
If we refused to buy into their sensationalism and graphic reporting, would the media revert back to the old way of reporting?

[tlongII]

Personally I liked the 80's better than now. The 80's were kick ass!

[BacktoBasics]

But that is part of what I was trying to say. We today tolerate the media reporting as we do.
If we refused to buy into their sensationalism and graphic reporting, would the media revert back to the old way of reporting?Humans feed off of destruction and drama. Nothing will change. I'm simply saying the media satisfying the publics hunger is what gives us or you the perception of it being a more violent world when % wise it probably isn't.

[angel_luv]

When did I insult you besides when I decimated your argument? When I called you crazy? You're proposing that we ban images of queen size beds lest the childrens get any kind of bad ideas. I'm not trying to be mean, but that's nuts.

I didn't propose anything. I was just pointing out trends and changes that I personally find disturbing.

I was explaining my viewpoint to Manny, answering his question.

I was not engaging you in debate which is why I find it humorous that you felt the need to decimate my argument.
Why not just chime in with your own point of view? Why go on the offensive against me?

And please don't use profanity when posting to me.

[angel_luv]

Humans feed off of destruction and drama. Nothing will change. I'm simply saying the media satisfying the publics hunger is what gives us or you the perception of it being a more violent world when % wise it probably isn't.

That is a valid point and I agree with it.

I also think that in general humans are more accepting and less particular than they were even just a few generations back. In the context of my original post ( the long one), I do not view it as a good thing.

[clambake]

"modern woman" wouldn't be so sensitive.

[Spursfan092120]

:lol says the birther.
good god..shut the fuck up. stay in the politics section..this isn't about Obama..this is about a tragedy.

[Spursfan092120]

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[clambake]

Maybe..but a lot of people don't go on the politics forum anymore...too many people getting pissed off about things we can't control, and it's a war in there. I used to go in there, till I found out there were "teams" of demos and repubs. I thought we were one country.

poor thing. trying to make it sound as if you're pure as the driven snow.

[balli]

I didn't propose anything. I was just pointing out trends and changes that I personally find disturbing.
That is true. It was not a proposal.

But, forgive me for thinking it crazy that you find the televised depiction of queen size beds to be a disturbing trend.

edit: especially in the context of our species violent history.


Why not just chime in with your own point of view?
I did. Line by line. It wasn't an offensive. I'm not pissed. It's just, you left a lot of room for response, no?

[Spursfan092120]

poor thing. trying to make it sound as if you're pure as the driven snow.
Yeah..because you know a lot about me, considering the only thing I've ever talked about with you is Obama...and we disagree on the case. If you look at all my political arguments, I don't like the guy at all, but at the same time, I will support him because he's my president. I didn't know repubs and demos had to be on sides..I thought we were on one side, but apparently some people disagree with that.

[JJ Hickson]

Bali just annihilated angel_luv. Oh the humanity. That was hard to watch.

[BacktoBasics]

Yeah..because you know a lot about me, considering the only thing I've ever talked about with you is Obama...and we disagree on the case. If you look at all my political arguments, I don't like the guy at all, but at the same time, I will support him because he's my president. I didn't know repubs and demos had to be on sides..I thought we were on one side, but apparently some people disagree with that.Who's birdwalking now.

[MannyIsGod]

Yes we moved out of the dark ages, so now the blood shed and violence in the world is more high tech. I don't really see that as an improvement.


The fact of the matter Veronica is that technology has nothing to do with the fact that today humanity is less violent than at any point in its past. Its not an opinion but a well documented fact. Today the quality of life shared by humans as a whole is superior to every generation that has come before.

Fewer people die today from disease, fewer people go hungry, fewer people are killed in acts of violence



I believe we as a nation and a world have become de-sensitized ( sp?) in a lot of ways to the horror that goes on around us.


I highly doubt we see more violence today than those in the past and I know for a fact we're a lot less desensitized. I don't believe you understand the utter despair and horrors this world has seen in the past. Can you imagine living in the time of the Roman Empire and going to watch men fight to the death at the coliseum? Can you imagine the watching a loved one die from something as mundane as a tooth infection? Can you imagine the life of someone born with a defect in those times?

Now, imagine all of those things being normal. Imagine the the normalcy of being in a warzone where you may die at any moment and the normalcy of a life expectancy not in the 70s, 60s but the 30s and 20s?



Violent crimes, things like school shootings and terrorist attacks, are no longer things that are out of the ordinary.
When they happen people feel sad but, sadly, people are no longer surprised.

I don't agree with this at all, but even if it were true that doesn't mean yesterday's violence was less prevalent or less shocking.



There are people who have multiple abortions, simply because they can.


I don't agree with this statement at all. But even if I did, once again, abortions are not new. They have been around for as long as pregnancies have been around.



There are the murders that occur on yearly basis. And add to that death toll all the death row executions that take place.
Sure, executions are not as blood and guts messy as they once were but still it is the end of human life.
I have heard the lethal injection described as an "easy way to die". If you study the process, you know it is anything but.


The number of executions is FAR smaller than it was in our pasts. The number of murders are far lower than in our past.

I think you should understand that I'm not arguing we live in some sort of utopia, but rather that this we are and have been improving because our pasts are just that bad.



Every evening news segment seems to report at least one malicious crim against an individual or animal- and that is just our local news.


No one is saying crime is gone. Of course there are still horrible events that happen everyday in our world. However, is there less of it today than in the past? Yes.



In general, I think people are not as conscientious ( sp?) as they once used to be about what they watch, what they say, and how they behave.

Take for example Matlock and Murder she wrote ( murder mystery shows my grandma used to watch) and compare it with today's way more graphic shows like CSI and Law and Order.
Violent images are a lot more accepted today than they were fifty years ago.


In the past entertainment at times consisted of killing others. I already pointed out the Roman Coliseum as an example. In any event, entertainment on TV is not actual violence. If given the choice between fictional violence on TV and actual violence I know which I will pick.



In the same way, there are commercials on during primetime like the ones for male enhancement drugs that were never on so early when I was a kid.

Cartoons never had vulgarities in them when I was a kid like Family Guy does today.

The way people walk around swearing- that is something that simply was not done by most people in my grandparents generation.
People use to temper their language at the very least when women were present. Now no one blinks when women curse. In fact, a lot of people find it to be funny.

Consider also the graphic sex scenes in movies. On television shows in my grandparents era, husbands and wives slept in different beds.

There are people who claim to be bi-sexual in order to be trendy. Reality television allows people to become famous for acting badly.

And people everywhere feel it is okay to be mean to each other on a daily basis and call it entertainment.
When I first joined this forum, it was a rare thing when someone was mean to someone. Now it happens in every thread and usually for no reason at all.
I can't even recommend the site anymore because I am afraid of what someone's kid might read on here and that is really sad to me.

I think your mistake is confusing that humanity does not live up to your ideals at the moment with whether or not we're better off than we've ever been.

While I think its obvious that you see a lot of room for improvement in the world that does not change the fact that humanity has come a long way. The two are not mutually exclusive.

[Spursfan092120]

Update:
Police: Gunman caught after killing 1 in Orlando

By MIKE SCHNEIDER, Associated Press Writer Mike Schneider, Associated Press Writer – 12 mins ago ORLANDO, Fla. – A gunman opened fire Friday in the offices of an engineering firm where he was let go more than two years ago, authorities said, killing one person and injuring five others.
Jason Rodriguez, 40, surrendered about three hours later, after officers saw him through the window of his mother's home and asked him to come outside, Orlando Police Chief Val Demings said.
Asked by a reporter outside the police station why he did it, he replied: "Because they left me to rot."
Demings said Rodriguez brought a handgun to the firm in a downtown office tower where he once worked as an engineer, but investigators are not sure what his motive was.
"This is a tragedy, no doubt about it, especially on the heels of the tragedy in Fort Hood that is on our minds," Demings said. "I'm just glad we don't have any more fatalities or any more injuries than we currently have."
Charles W. Price, an attorney who represented Rodriguez in a bankruptcy case, declined to comment.
Camille Previlon told The Associated Press her uncle, engineer Guy Lungenbel, was shot in the back and was able to talk but had not said much about the shooting.
"He is stable," she said. "He's just hurting real bad in the back."
Everyone who was shot was in the offices of Reynolds Smith & Hill, on the eighth floor. The five survivors were in stable condition, Demings said.
Company spokesman Mike Bernos said Rodriguez was an entry-level engineer who was fired in June 2007 after working there for a year.
"His performance wasn't up to our standards, so we terminated him," Bernos said. There had been no contact between the company and Rodriguez since then.
After the lunchtime shooting, people streamed out of the Legion Place building and some said they had barricaded themselves inside their offices while the gunman was on the loose.
Gerry Gilgo, who works on the floor where the shooting occurred, told The Associated Press she was meeting a co-worker at the elevators for lunch.
"She yelled, 'There are gunshots! There are gunshots! Get back in your office,'" Gilgo said.
Will Halpern, an attorney on the building's 17th floor, was among the last group to be evacuated. He said the lobby was filled with about 20 officers in SWAT gear, carrying assault weapons, ready to search.
Interstate 4 was closed in both directions through downtown and nearby schools were locked down until the alleged gunman was caught.
Rows of ambulances lined up outside the building as police snipers took up positions around the building and officers on foot and horseback searched the area.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_orlando_office_shooting

[clambake]

there is only one place for birthers.

stop pretending, it's embarrassing.

[Spursfan092120]

Who's birdwalking now.
??

[BacktoBasics]

Manny do you seriously think that the media coverage and all its glory has little to nothing to do with the perception that we live in a more violent world.

Unless I misunderstood you.

[Spursfan092120]

there is only one place for birthers.

stop pretending, it's embarrassing.
where the fuck does this "birther" thing come from? Because I said he didn't show his birth certificate before he was elected? He didn't. And what the fuck am I pretending? God some people on this board are fucking idiots. If you don't agree with their political views, you're automatically ignorant, and they act like they know you or something. I've never met you, clambake, and thankfully, I probably never will. You don't know me. You know nothing about me, so quit acting like you do.

[MannyIsGod]

But that is part of what I was trying to say. We today tolerate the media reporting as we do.
If we refused to buy into their sensationalism and graphic reporting, would the media revert back to the old way of reporting?

No way of reporting will change the way the world actually is or actually was. The information on what happens is out there which is different than in the past but what is most important is the actual acts, not the reporting.

The world is what it is and why should we be afraid to acknowledge that? We can attempt to close our eyes or hide the darkest parts of it but that doesn't change the fact that they are there.

[CuckingFunt]

A few notes:


There are people who have multiple abortions, simply because they can.

I don't think this happens as often as your pastor says it does. Are there women who have used abortion as a form of birth control? Of course there are. It would be foolish and disingenuous of me to deny that fact. But it's silly to assume that is standard practice, and more than a little insulting to the millions of women who have faced such an agonizing decision because they knew it would be the best and most responsible choice in the long run.


Violent crimes, things like school shootings and terrorist attacks, are no longer things that are out of the ordinary.
When they happen people feel sad but, sadly, people are no longer surprised.

There are the murders that occur on yearly basis. And add to that death toll all the death row executions that take place.
Sure, executions are not as blood and guts messy as they once were but still it is the end of human life.
I have heard the lethal injection described as an "easy way to die". If you study the process, you know it is anything but.

Every evening news segment seems to report at least one malicious crim against an individual or animal- and that is just our local news.

You shouldn't mistake the sensationalized, "if it bleeds, it leads" practice of the media for an actual increase in crime. Either its intensity, or its frequency. Violent crimes, school shootings, terrorist attacks... none of these have ever been out of the ordinary. Especially if you look at this on a global scale, which, per your comment that "the world is a terrible place anymore," I'm assuming we are.


In general, I think people are not as conscientious ( sp?) as they once used to be about what they watch, what they say, and how they behave.

Take for example Matlock and Murder she wrote ( murder mystery shows my grandma used to watch) and compare it with today's way more graphic shows like CSI and Law and Order.
Violent images are a lot more accepted today than they were fifty years ago.

In the same way, there are commercials on during primetime like the ones for male enhancement drugs that were never on so early when I was a kid.

Since there is no way to prove that any of the examples above are in any way tied to an increase in actual violence, this would appear to refer only to your sense of morals and values. In that case, your comment that "the world is a terrible place anymore" would be more accurately expressed as "the world is a slightly less comfortable place for me, personally, than it used to be."


Cartoons never had vulgarities in them when I was a kid like Family Guy does today.

Cartoons aimed at children still don't have vulgarities. "Family Guy" is aimed at adults, so in order to be fair you would have to compare it to other animation that was aimed at adults. The Warner Brothers cartoons of the 1930s and 40s didn't have any vulgarities, so I suppose you would have a point there. They were, however, chock full of blatant racism -- getting blown up apparently turns you into a pickaninny, in case you didn't know -- so maybe have to call that one a push.


The way people walk around swearing- that is something that simply was not done by most people in my grandparents generation.

Yes. Yes it was. It may not have been done by your grandparents specifically, but people have been cursing a blue streak for probably as long as language has existed.


People use to temper their language at the very least when women were present. Now no one blinks when women curse. In fact, a lot of people find it to be funny.

Who finds it funny when women curse?

And, again, this may be an assault on your personal sense of decency and decorum, but isn't really tied to a tangible decline in civilization as a whole. In fact, considering that the supposedly chivalrous attitude that protects women from foul language is rooted in numerous sexist ideals about how we can't or shouldn't be trusted with such information, one could argue that women swearing is, in it's own little way, a sign of progress.


Consider also the graphic sex scenes in movies. On television shows in my grandparents era, husbands and wives slept in different beds.

Yes. The denial of sexuality has really done us a lot of good. Especially we girls. It's good and safe for us to grow up unaware of, or even ashamed of, our sexuality, our bodies, and how they work.


There are people who claim to be bi-sexual in order to be trendy. Reality television allows people to become famous for acting badly.

I'm not sure what these two statements have to do with each other. Well, actually, I have an inkling, but I wouldn't want to respond defensively for no reason.


And people everywhere feel it is okay to be mean to each other on a daily basis and call it entertainment.
When I first joined this forum, it was a rare thing when someone was mean to someone. Now it happens in every thread and usually for no reason at all.
I can't even recommend the site anymore because I am afraid of what someone's kid might read on here and that is really sad to me.

I've made several comments in the past about the ways in which I think the internet has specifically changed the way people interact. I think that the anonymity of message boards and social networking sites have made it possible for people to be cruel and confrontational in a way that they would not be in person. For that reason, I cannot entirely disagree that this forum, as well as any internet forum, is rather quick to get petty and hostile and mean. Nor can I disagree that it has likely gotten worse over time.

Where I do disagree, however, is in the suggestion that people being mean to each other for the purpose of entertainment is somehow a new or fresh idea. That is simply untrue. People are assholes. People have always been assholes. People will continue to be assholes. Whether it's a bully on the playground trying to look tough or Bugs Bunny making fun of the Japanese as a piece of nationalist propaganda, there is a tremendous amount of power in ridicule and there always has been.



Based on the things you have written over the years, it is no secret that you grew up in an incredibly sheltered environment. You can't make the mistake of thinking that things are getting worse just because your shelter is being penetrated. The world has always been out there.

[CavsSuperFan]

Personally I liked the 80's better than now. The 80's were kick ass!

Disco Rules...

[Dr. Gonzo]

Disco Rules...

Disco is the 70s.

[MannyIsGod]

Manny do you seriously think that the media coverage and all its glory has little to nothing to do with the perception that we live in a more violent world.

Unless I misunderstood you.

You very much misunderstood. On the surface I'd assume there are many factors, but I've never given it much thought so you'll have to forgive me if these are obviously incorrect for some reason.

With all due respect to Veronica, I believe she represents a view fostered by her Christian world view. Unless I'm misrepresenting it, that world view is one where the world will degrade until Jesus comes back to save the world. In order for that to happen one would have to assume times are getting worse. If indeed the exact opposite is occurring, then there would seem to be little need for the Messiah to come save humanity. In other words, to facilitate the 2nd coming I believe it is desirable for people of Christian faith to posses a view that the world gets worse with each subsequent generation and eventually will come to a point where only Jesus can save us.

In addition, the fact that we have less violence in our world makes it all the more susceptible to being sensationalized. If you live in a world where you watch people die in horrible ways day after day, then why would you care about the 24 hour news coverage for an event like this shooting? Do you think the people living in World War II Europe are going to watch 4 or 5 straight hours of news covering an office shooting when the house next door just got carpet bombed? Not likely.

[clambake]

where the fuck does this "birther" thing come from? Because I said he didn't show his birth certificate before he was elected? He didn't. And what the fuck am I pretending? God some people on this board are fucking idiots. If you don't agree with their political views, you're automatically ignorant, and they act like they know you or something. I've never met you, clambake, and thankfully, I probably never will. You don't know me. You know nothing about me, so quit acting like you do.

all i know about you is you're a birther. it's out there. live with it.

[BacktoBasics]

You very much misunderstood. On the surface I'd assume there are many factors, but I've never given it much thought so you'll have to forgive me if these are obviously incorrect for some reason.

With all due respect to Veronica, I believe she represents a view fostered by her Christian world view. Unless I'm misrepresenting it, that world view is one where the world will degrade until Jesus comes back to save the world. In order for that to happen one would have to assume times are getting worse. If indeed the exact opposite is occurring, then there would seem to be little need for the Messiah to come save humanity. In other words, to facilitate the 2nd coming I believe it is desirable for people of Christian faith to posses a view that the world gets worse with each subsequent generation and eventually will come to a point where only Jesus can save us.

In addition, the fact that we have less violence in our world makes it all the more susceptible to being sensationalized. If you live in a world where you watch people die in horrible ways day after day, then why would you care about the 24 hour news coverage for an event like this shooting? Do you think the people living in World War II Europe are going to watch 4 or 5 straight hours of news covering an office shooting when the house next door just got carpet bombed? Not likely.I see what you're saying now. Excellent points.

[angel_luv]

That is true. It was not a proposal.

But, forgive me for thinking it crazy that you find the televised depiction of queen size beds to be a disturbing trend.


I did. Line by line. It wasn't an offensive. I'm not pissed. It's just, you left a lot of room for response, no?

I find it hard to believe that you did not understand my point in referring to the beds.
But I will indulge you.

My point with the beds was that now sex scenes are often shown on nightly television, often times in very revealing and very detailed manners.

That is in stark contrast to evening sitcoms that aired during my grandparents' day.


Back then actors were not naked on television and the only people spending the night together on those shows were husbands and wives.
On those shows the couples had children and as such intimacy between them was implied, yet their sexual acts were never portrayed for everyone to see.
Couples if shown in their bedroom were fully clothed and were either sleeping or having a conversation-( as I mentioned before) with each person in a separate bed.

" I Love Lucy" is not that old of a show so the fairly quick progression from " I Love Lucy" to shows such as Desprate Housewives is startling and disturbing to me.

I feel the difference even moreso in regards to what is considered proper content for cartoons since the development of adult themed cartoons is something that has occurred within the span of my life. I am 27.

[clambake]

jesus guys, you know angels reading this.

[Spursfan092120]

all i know about you is you're a birther. it's out there. live with it.
and apparently that's enough for you to judge someone. If that's the case, I feel really sorry for you. And for the record, I don't believe Barack is ineligible to be President..never said I did. So I'm not a birther, but your ignorance will see past that. you're an idiot. live with it.

[clambake]

ok

[BacktoBasics]

Hey did you guys know that there was a gunman loose in Florida.

[Spursfan092120]

Hey did you guys know that there was a gunman loose in Florida.
no shit...lol

[clambake]

Hey did you guys know that there was a gunman loose in Florida.

he's not loose. go read about it in the politics forum. i know you're man enough.

[angel_luv]

Sorry to de-rail the thread.

CF & Manny- I read your responses and I appreciate you both taking the time to share your point of view with me. You also, Back to Basics.

[Spursfan092120]

he's not loose. go read about it in the politics forum. i know you're man enough.
already gave the update, douchey...and at least in here, we don't have to thumb through bullshit politics to find it, at least we didn't until you showed up.

[balli]

I find it hard to believe that you did not understand my point in referring to the beds.
I understand very well that you were trying to contrast today's TV shows with the puritanical depictions of life in the 1950's.

What YOU don't understand, is that this discussion was not about which era's television was more ascetically prudish, or even about the ideals inherit, but rather about whether our modern world, as it stands, is a safer and better place than that which existed in previous epochs.

According to every real indicator, historical or statistical, our world is a much better place than it has ever been. Despise the culture of the first-world all you like, but the fact is more people are living longer and happier lives, than ever before. And that's what this discussion was about, angel.

[clambake]

poor thing

[angel_luv]

Balli you interrupted my conversation with Manny so I don't see how you can justify scolding me about the course of discussion. Manny inquired about my views. I responded. Seems pretty on point to me.

You're wasting your time bullying me. I'm not scared of you.

As a matter of fact... I think you're cute. :)

[PM5K]

This world is a terrible place anymore.

Are you fucking Ducks or something?

[BacktoBasics]

Are you fucking Ducks or something?
No Bo.

[angel_luv]

Are you _ Ducks or something?

I should have said nowadays instead of anymore, right?

[balli]

Balli you interrupted my conversation with Manny
Sorry. I won't next time. Or use this:
http://i36.tinypic.com/o8x8vl.png


You're wasting your time bullying me.
My intent wasn't to bully you angel. My intent was to poke holes in a publicly posted list that more or less read as a not so subtle warning about secular societies' failings and the coming rapture.*

I'm not scared of you.
And if I did so, it's because I'm a bit scared of you.





*Were God petty enough to usher in the apocalypse over the decline of 1950's American Idealism

[angel_luv]

You're cute Balli. :)

[balli]

:tu

[Wild Cobra]

Shooter in Texas, now Florida.

Could we be heading for another pandemic?

[PM5K]

I should have said nowadays instead of anymore, right?

Something like that, but fucking Ducks will do that to you.