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BRHornet45

11-08-2009, 02:48 AM

sons I'm fed up ...

lHSnYA4iDoA

redzero

11-08-2009, 02:52 AM

Somebody has actually made a video bashing West? That means that he made it big time!

But seriously, West + Posey for Stoudemire. Do it, Phoenix. Please.

BRHornet45

11-08-2009, 02:56 AM

Somebody has actually made a video bashing West? That means that he made it big time!

But seriously, West + Posey for Stoudemire. Do it, Phoenix. Please.

son I have tried to support him simply because he is on the team, but I'm sick of it ... the Hornets only hope of competing this season is by moving him. West has a very ownership friendly contract and can be moved. He is the only player that we have who is worth a shit that can be traded.

I'm sick of this lazy sack of shit. sons just to add to the hate .... last year at one of the season ticket holder events I watched him tell a teenage kid who asked for a picture with him ... "no pictures please!" The whole time I was thinking ... "you motherfucker. you should be thankful anyone even recognizes who you are. Chris Paul should be getting half your paycheck"

redzero

11-08-2009, 03:04 AM

son I have tried to support him simply because he is on the team, but I'm sick of it ... the Hornets only hope of competing this season is by moving him. West has a very ownership friendly contract and can be moved. He is the only player that we have who is worth a shit that can be traded.

I'm sick of this lazy sack of shit. sons just to add to the hate .... last year at one of the season ticket holder events I watched him tell a teenage kid who asked for a picture with him ... "no pictures please!" The whole time I was thinking ... "you motherfucker. you should be thankful anyone even recognizes who you are. Chris Paul should be getting half your paycheck"

I think West could average 17-19 points per game without Paul. He's not Chandler when it comes to offense.

Either way, he isn't playing defense and he isn't getting rebounds. Okafor is stuck guarding his man and West's. He has a very good contract for what he produces, so the Hornets should trade him now.

BRHornet45

11-08-2009, 03:06 AM

I think West could average 17-19 points per game without Paul. He's not Chandler when it comes to offense.

Either way, he isn't playing defense and he isn't getting rebounds. Okafor is stuck guarding his man and West's. He has a very good contract for what he produces, so the Hornets should trade him now.

son who cares if he can put up 17-19 points? he DOESN'T play on both sides of the court, never has. he makes it blatantly obvious that he only plays offense.

redzero

11-08-2009, 03:09 AM

son who cares if he can put up 17-19 points? he DOESN'T play on both sides of the court, never has. he makes it blatantly obvious that he only plays offense.

Hey, he limited Dirk to 12 points a few nights ago... but yeah, he isn't playing defense at all. It's getting really annoying. Bosh styled on him.

BRHornet45

11-08-2009, 03:11 AM

Hey, he limited Dirk to 12 points a few nights ago... but yeah, he isn't playing defense at all. It's getting really annoying. Bosh styled on him.

son well Dirk is a given. West owns that little white boy. without the referee's whistle, Dirk is only a 10 point per game player.

dirk4mvp

11-08-2009, 03:13 AM

son well Dirk is a given. West owns that little white boy. without the referee's whistle, Dirk is only a 10 point per game player.

son I knew I could count on you for some good laughs.

redzero

11-08-2009, 03:13 AM

son well Dirk is a given. West owns that little white boy. without the referee's whistle, Dirk is only a 10 point per game player.

:lmao Oh, shit. Here come the Mavs fans.

AussieFanKurt

11-08-2009, 03:14 AM

son well Dirk is a given. West owns that little white boy. without the referee's whistle, Dirk is only a 10 point per game player.

you sir are an idiot

BRHornet45

11-08-2009, 03:14 AM

you sir are an idiot

son go hump a kangaroo white boy

redzero

11-08-2009, 03:15 AM

son go hump a kangaroo white boy

Oh, lord!

dirk4mvp

11-08-2009, 03:17 AM

son go hump a kangaroo white boy

son why don't you feed him some of that good old gumbo so he can have the shits for 3 days.

AussieFanKurt

11-08-2009, 03:17 AM

son go hump a kangaroo white boy

theres no kangas for probably 250km mate. go smoke some crack blacky

BRHornet45

11-08-2009, 03:17 AM

son why don't you feed him some of that good old gumbo so he can have the shits for 3 days.

son gumbo does sound good right about now

BRHornet45

11-08-2009, 03:18 AM

theres no kangas for probably 250km mate. go smoke some crack blacky

sorry son no crack. I'll be too busy looting convenience stores

badfish22

11-08-2009, 03:18 AM

son well Dirk is a given. West owns that little white boy. without the referee's whistle, Dirk is only a 10 point per game player.

Ya it isn't because he just got done raping the whole Utah Jazz organization 24 hours earlier.

BRHornet45

11-08-2009, 03:20 AM

Ya it isn't because he just got done raping the whole Utah Jazz organization 24 hours earlier.

LOL!!!!

sons this dude is bragging about white on white rape!!! .... son Dirk beat up on the whitest team in the NBA. big deal!

AussieFanKurt

11-08-2009, 03:21 AM

LOL!!!!

sons this dude is bragging about white on white rape!!! .... son Dirk beat up on the whitest team in the NBA. big deal!

:rolleyes

KidCongo

11-08-2009, 03:24 AM

Cavs got salary relief in Big Z expiring + JJ and a 1st rounder? It would probably involve the Cavs taking a long-term salary like Posey or Mo Pete.

Move Mek to PF with the slow footed Z at C.

I spose you guys want a star to keep Paul happy and not a lottery guarantee.

badfish22

11-08-2009, 03:32 AM

LOL!!!!

sons this dude is bragging about white on white rape!!! .... son Dirk beat up on the whitest team in the NBA. big deal!
:lol

I'm not even gonna respond to this one. I think even I'm above it (coming from the guy who argued with tlong1)

AussieFanKurt

11-08-2009, 05:34 AM

sorry son no crack. I'll be too busy looting convenience stores

:lmao

Chieflion

11-08-2009, 05:44 AM

Funny shit there. Ballhog for an all-star game, embarrassing, who would have thought?

redzero

11-08-2009, 06:10 AM

Funny shit there. Ballhog for an all-star game, embarrassing, who would have thought?

Ain't that the truth. West just doesn't pass.

Culburn369

11-08-2009, 06:18 AM

Hey, Red, does BR really bed his mother?

redzero

11-08-2009, 06:38 AM

Hey, Red, does BR really bed his mother?

No, son, he only likes the white womin'.

Culburn369

11-08-2009, 07:04 AM

No, son, he only likes the white womin'.

That's neither here nor there, Red. Does BR really do his mother twixt the sheets?

redzero

11-08-2009, 07:15 AM

That's neither here nor there, Red. Does BR really do his mother twixt the sheets?

Could you repost that in English, please?

Culburn369

11-08-2009, 07:17 AM

Is BR porkin' his mother between the sheets?

redzero

11-08-2009, 07:21 AM

Is BR porkin' his mother between the sheets?

Shouldn't you be asking BR that? Send him a message if you want to be turned on so badly.

Culburn369

11-08-2009, 07:26 AM

Shouldn't you be asking BR that? Send him a message if you want to be turned on so badly.

I should, but, he won't speak to me no more, Red. So, give out with the info, stooge. Is BR shovin' it to his mom?

RuffnReadyOzStyle

11-08-2009, 07:26 AM

West is what he is - a solid offensive player with a nice jumper, and a bit of a liability on D. Is there something new here?

redzero

11-08-2009, 07:46 AM

I should, but, he won't speak to me no more, Red. So, give out with the info, stooge. Is BR shovin' it to his mom?

I'm a stooge? What gave you that idea?

Culburn369

11-08-2009, 07:48 AM

I'm a stooge? What gave you that idea?

The puppy dog way you conduct yourself hereabouts.

redzero

11-08-2009, 07:52 AM

The puppy dog way you conduct yourself hereabouts.

I am offended, good sir. Take back your comments post-haste.

Findog

11-08-2009, 10:07 AM

It must be tough being a 121-63 fan these days.

dirk4mvp

11-08-2009, 12:06 PM

It must be tough being a 121-63 fan these days.

Hey you can't talk shit to 121-63 fan. They totally owned the Mavericks the 5th game of the season on a b2b. :nope

balli

11-08-2009, 12:10 PM

son who cares if he can put up 17-19 points? he DOESN'T play on both sides of the court, never has. he makes it blatantly obvious that he only plays offense.
+1 son. I was listening to my local sports radio and a discussion about Boozer. A caller was hyping Booze as an automatic double-double. Our astute radioman said, "A double-double? Y'know what I call a double-double? Doing your job. I don't care if he gets a double double. If you're 6-9, 250- a double double is the very least you can do to help your team win."

That's how I feel about David West and his 17-19 points.

Findog

11-08-2009, 12:10 PM

Hey you can't talk shit to 121-63 fan. They totally owned the Mavericks the 5th game of the season on a b2b. :nope

Nothing says you've been there before like bragging about an early November win.

BRHornet's Mother

11-08-2009, 12:13 PM

That's neither here nor there, Red. Does BR really do his mother twixt the sheets?
no

dude1394

11-08-2009, 12:30 PM

son well Dirk is a given. West owns that little white boy. without the referee's whistle, Dirk is only a 10 point per game player.

Great another in a long line of black bigots.

Culburn369

11-08-2009, 12:41 PM

no

:lol

BRHornet45

11-08-2009, 01:39 PM

It must be tough being a 121-63 fan these days.

lol 8th seed Golden State Warriors

lol 2006 NBA Finals

lol Dirk knocking up a crackhead, felon

lol November 4, 2009

Culburn369

11-08-2009, 02:01 PM

lol BR & his mother

BRHornet45

11-08-2009, 02:04 PM

lol BR & his mother

lol at you attempting to show me up son. D for effort.

Ghazi

11-08-2009, 02:17 PM

Findog

11-08-2009, 02:19 PM

lol 2006 NBA Finals

lol 121-63 has never advanced past the conference semifinals

lol Dirk knocking up a crackhead, felon

lol 121-63 beating the Nuggets in the first round last year. Oh wait, that didn't happen either.

lol November 4, 2009

lol 121-63 fan beating their meat over a win in November.

BRHornet45

11-08-2009, 02:21 PM

West is garbage. and he is not a 17-19 PPG player without Paul unless he's taking 25 shots per game. Guys primary offense is set up by CP3, which is why when CP3 choked in the playoffs, West blew as well. Without CP3, West is a shit player. With CP3, he's a mediocre player.

son you are partially correct I will admit.

Its a similar situation with Dirk, but his help is from the refs. Without the refs giving him 6-8 (on average) freebie free throw points each game, he is only maybe a 14-16 PPG player.

Findog

11-08-2009, 02:21 PM

son you are partially correct I will admit.

Its a similar situation with Dirk, but his help is from the refs. Without the refs giving him 6-8 (on average) freebie free throw points each game, he is only maybe a 14-16 PPG player.

lol 121-63 fan

BRHornet45

11-08-2009, 02:25 PM

lol 121-63 fan

lol 8th seed Golden State Warriors

lol 2006 NBA Finals

lol Dirk knocking up a crackhead, felon

lol November 4, 2009

Findog

11-08-2009, 02:26 PM

lol 8th seed Golden State Warriors

lol 2006 NBA Finals

lol Dirk knocking up a crackhead, felon

lol November 4, 2009

lol 121-63 fan repeating himself. I already schooled you son, God bless.

BRHornet45

11-08-2009, 02:29 PM

lol 121-63 fan repeating himself. I already schooled you son, God bless.

LMAO you just made a complete fool of yourself son. without any help from others.

me repeating myself??? ... look who is talking sissy. LOL at these MAVERICK fans acting like they actually have SOMETHING to brag about. what a joke of a franchise. not even your celebrity, billionaire owner can buy wins.

DPG21920

11-08-2009, 02:31 PM

Sons, but D West is an all-star...

BRHornet45

11-08-2009, 02:33 PM

Sons, but D West is an all-star...

son he was a legit all star in 2008, but last year was a joke. he had no business making the team in 09.

Findog

11-08-2009, 02:34 PM

look who is talking sissy. LOL at these MAVERICK fans acting like they actually have SOMETHING to brag about.

We never lost 121-63 in the playoffs, or brag about winning a game in November. It's also funny to hear a 121-63 dogging us about choking in the Finals when 121-63 has never even sniffed a conference finals and choked on their home court when they had their best chance for doing so.

lol Jannero Pargo taking over for CP3 in the 4th Quarter.

In any event, enjoy your team while you can:

1988-2002: Charlotte Hornets
2002-?: 121-63
Sooner or later: Seattle SuperSonics 2.0

what a joke of a franchise. not even your celebrity, billionaire owner can buy wins

Before Cuban: the 1990's
After Cuban: 9 straight 50 win seasons.

lol 121-63 fan.

Ghazi

11-08-2009, 02:37 PM

You know when I think of "joke" franchises I think of teams like... say, the Bobcats, 121-63, the Grizzlies, Clippers, etc etc.

It's irrational to call the Mavs a joke franchise just because the Zionists cost us the 2006 championship. 9*50, owner willing to win, good arena experience, etc.

DPG21920

11-08-2009, 02:38 PM

son he was a legit all star in 2008, but last year was a joke. he had no business making the team in 09.

I remember me saying the same thing last year and you were defending him like he was one of your many kids.

BRHornet45

11-08-2009, 02:42 PM

I remember me saying the same thing last year and you were defending him like he was one of your many kids.

son I always said that Jefferson or Durant deserved his spot last year.

Culburn369

11-08-2009, 02:44 PM

It's irrational to call the Mavs a joke franchise just because the Zionists cost us the 2006 championship.

Horseshit. You did it to yerself. You got scared, wanted it to go away and be alright and ended up ass over teacup. You've nobody to blame but you.

BRHornet45

11-08-2009, 02:45 PM

We never lost 121-63 in the playoffs, or brag about winning a game in November. It's also funny to hear a 121-63 dogging us about choking in the Finals when 121-63 has never even sniffed a conference finals and choked on their home court when they had their best chance for doing so.

lol Jannero Pargo taking over for CP3 in the 4th Quarter.

In any event, enjoy your team while you can:

1988-2002: Charlotte Hornets
2002-?: 121-63
Sooner or later: Seattle SuperSonics 2.0

Before Cuban: the 1990's
After Cuban: 9 straight 50 win seasons.

lol 121-63 fan.

LMAO son you are so blind it isn't even funny. you're holding on to one blowout game from the playoffs that didn't even decide the series. what was it? game 3 if I remember right?

why don't you step up, be a man, and admit the truth about your boys in blue. no other team in the history of the NBA has a choke artist list of accomplishments like the Dallas Mavericks. how do you explain them being the #1 seed and getting STOMPED INTO THE GROUND by a weak #8 seed GSW??? do we even need to bring up the biggest choke job in finals history from 06???

Ghazi

11-08-2009, 02:47 PM

l7n7_f2qul8

Culburn369

11-08-2009, 02:47 PM

You got no room, BR, your biggest claim to fame before Paul went sour was being a good loser.

Findog

11-08-2009, 02:48 PM

how do you explain them being the #1 seed and getting STOMPED INTO THE GROUND by a weak #8 seed GSW???

Our best player was hurt. We don't harp on it like Spurs always bring up Timmy being "banged up" whenever the Spurs go fishing bc we don't believe in making excuses.

do we even need to bring up the biggest choke job in finals history from 06???

Better to choke in the Finals than choke in the conference semis. BTW, the biggest choke job in Finals history is the Sixers losing to the Blazers in 1977. The Mavs lost 3 games to Miami by a grand total of 6 points, with every single one of those games going down to the final. They hardly laid down and stopped playing...unlike a certain team that lost by 58 points in one series and in another series saw their "franchise player" defer to Jannero Pargo in a Game 7.

If you had been a basketball fan longer than May 2008, you'd know that.

Culburn369

11-08-2009, 02:49 PM

lol at you attempting to show me up son. D for effort.

Sure, it ain't me molesting, but, you in bed with your mother is better than nothin'.

BRHornet45

11-08-2009, 02:50 PM

Our best player was hurt. We don't harp on it like Spurs always bring up Timmy being "banged up" whenever the Spurs go fishing bc we don't believe in making excuses.

oh please. give me a fucking break son ... in the Denver series last year Paul, West, Chandler, and Posey were all playing hurt.

funny how the "our players were hurt" excuse ONLY counts when its for the Dallas Mavericks.

BRHornet45

11-08-2009, 02:51 PM

l7n7_f2qul8

LOL hey sissy. remember this 1st round BEAT DOWN???

Kbn72J8ass4

Findog

11-08-2009, 02:51 PM

oh please. give me a fucking break son ... in the Denver series last year Paul, West, Chandler, and Posey were all playing hurt.

funny how the "our players were hurt" excuse ONLY counts when its for the Dallas Mavericks.

You asked why the Mavs lost to Golden State. I answered your question. Dallas never lost a game by 58 to the Warriors, nor did Dirk stop trying. He just sucked playing on a hobbled foot.

Ghazi

11-08-2009, 02:53 PM

Lakers gonna facefuck 121-63 tonight.

BRHornet45

11-08-2009, 02:54 PM

You asked why the Mavs lost to Golden State. I answered your question. Dallas never lost a game by 58 to the Warriors, nor did Dirk stop trying. He just sucked playing on a hobbled foot.

son last time I checked a loss was a loss. by 1 point or by 100 points ... you're trying to hint that Paul just "stopped trying" in that game simply because you have heard dickless fucks like Ghazi ramble on with his own, biased, ignorant conclusion. son in that game Paul was pulled shortly after halftime. there was no need to play him hurt and when the rest of the team was choking it up.

BRHornet45

11-08-2009, 02:55 PM

Lakers gonna facefuck 121-63 tonight.

son probably very similar to how Tyson facefucked your wife last night. you know she loves that black mamba.

badfish22

11-08-2009, 03:00 PM

Its a similar situation with Dirk, but his help is from the refs. Without the refs giving him 6-8 (on average) freebie free throw points each game, he is only maybe a 14-16 PPG player.

No its called not being a sissy little bitch and drawing contact down low. West is just a soft little pussy and shoots jumpers all day but no one gets on to him for it because he is black.
If you actually watched NBA games instead of practicing talking like a black man in front of a mirror you would know these things.

Culburn369

11-08-2009, 03:00 PM

son probably very similar to how Tyson facefucked your wife last night. you know she loves that black mamba.

Wife, Mother. lmao!!!!!!!!!

Culburn369

11-08-2009, 03:01 PM

West is just a soft little pussy and shoots jumpers all day but no one gets on to him for it because he is black.

This is true, BR. badfish busted that ass.

BRHornet45

11-08-2009, 03:03 PM

No its called not being a sissy little bitch and drawing contact down low. West is just a soft little pussy and shoots jumpers all day but no one gets on to him for it because he is black.
If you actually watched NBA games instead of practicing talking like a black man in front of a mirror you would know these things.

LMAO son did you honestly just try and tell me that Dirk isn't a little sissy??? ... that white boy can thank his skin color for his bogus MVP award AND the refs for his career 22 PPG average. realistically Dirk is more like a 14-17 PPG game player. you can always bet on them giving white boy AT LEAST 6-8 freebie points at the line to help inflate his scoring numbers.

badfish22

11-08-2009, 03:06 PM

LMAO son did you honestly just try and tell me that Dirk isn't a little sissy??? ... that white boy can thank his skin color for his bogus MVP award AND the refs for his career 22 PPG average. realistically Dirk is more like a 14-17 PPG game player. you can always bet on them giving white boy AT LEAST 6-8 freebie points at the line to help inflate his scoring numbers.

How can he thank his skin color? Its called being the best player on the best team in the league. 90% of the time THAT PLAYER get it.
Which brings me back to my original statement: If you actually watched NBA games instead of practicing talking like a black man in front of a mirror you would know these things.

Red Hawk #21

11-08-2009, 03:10 PM

l7n7_f2qul8

The 5:30 mark is the best, I will always respect the Nuggets for what they did to those bitches known as 121-63. Funny how BitchP3 wasnt talking his shit in that game. Well at least 121-63 doesn't have to worry about losing in the playoffs anymore, since they won't even make it there. :rollin

Indazone

11-08-2009, 03:12 PM

The problem is that the Hornets hail from New Orleans. That's like saying that you're going to have a winning team from Cleveland lol

BRHornet45

11-08-2009, 03:14 PM

How can he thank his skin color? Its called being the best player on the best team in the league. 90% of the time THAT PLAYER get it.
Which brings me back to my original statement: If you actually watched NBA games instead of practicing talking like a black man in front of a mirror you would know these things.

son I know the truth hurts (hence why you're obviously getting so worked up and upset about this) ....

look, Dirk is a damn good player. I am not doubting that ... but you would be a fool to think he is one of the best PF's in the game TODAY (much less of all time). Dirk has received TONS of help from the refs with his free throw shooting. its funny how Mav fans look past that FACT.

Dirk has never been a legit 20 and 10 player. 20 and 8 at best. a typical night for Dirk looks like this ...

23 points, 7 rebounds

6-17 FG
2-4 3P
9-9 FT

now take away his usual freebie free throws and he only scores 14 points. of those 9 free throws, MAYBE 2-3 of them were legit fouls. take away the help he gets from the refs at the line and he is just an above average NBA PF. good player and excellent 3P shooter for his size, but far from anything "Great".

BRHornet45

11-08-2009, 03:15 PM

The problem is that the Hornets hail from New Orleans. That's like saying that you're going to have a winning team from Cleveland lol

Saints son ... its our time

Ghazi

11-08-2009, 03:18 PM

Interesting that a typical night for Dirk is 6-17 from the field considering he's one of the most efficient offensive players of all time :lol

121-63 :lol

Ghazi

11-08-2009, 03:19 PM

and Jesus fuck is a CPWhistle fan talking about a player getting gifted FT's? That guy gets so many Ft's from flopping/exaggerated contact.

lol 121-63

BRHornet45

11-08-2009, 03:19 PM

Interesting that a typical night for Dirk is 6-17 from the field considering he's one of the most efficient offensive players of all time :lol

121-63 :lol

ROTFLMAO!!! come on now ghazi, not even you can be this dumb ... oh yea son, that career 472% shooting is outstanding!!!

BRHornet45

11-08-2009, 03:21 PM

and Jesus fuck is a CPWhistle fan talking about a player getting gifted FT's? That guy gets so many Ft's from flopping/exaggerated contact.

lol 121-63

lol son Paul has never gone to the line more than 5 times per game (yearly average) ... Dirk on the other hand consistently averages 7-10 trips to the line every year.

regardless. Paul is half his size and is a legit double, double threat EVERY night (not once every 5 games like Dirk) ... and Paul is a legit triple, double threat year in and year out.

badfish22

11-08-2009, 03:23 PM

http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u296/emotionless2007/cpflop.gif

Red Hawk #21

11-08-2009, 03:29 PM

http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u296/emotionless2007/cpflop.gif

I wonder how BR will find a way to justify Paul on that play...

badfish22

11-08-2009, 03:32 PM

son I know the truth hurts (hence why you're obviously getting so worked up and upset about this) ....

look, Dirk is a damn good player. I am not doubting that ... but you would be a fool to think he is one of the best PF's in the game TODAY (much less of all time). Dirk has received TONS of help from the refs with his free throw shooting. its funny how Mav fans look past that FACT.

Dirk has never been a legit 20 and 10 player. 20 and 8 at best. a typical night for Dirk looks like this ...

23 points, 7 rebounds

6-17 FG
2-4 3P
9-9 FT

now take away his usual freebie free throws and he only scores 14 points. of those 9 free throws, MAYBE 2-3 of them were legit fouls. take away the help he gets from the refs at the line and he is just an above average NBA PF. good player and excellent 3P shooter for his size, but far from anything "Great".

God you are dumb. Lets actually look at the games and not pull made up stats out of our ass, ok?
Here lets look at last game. Dirk score 29 points on 12-20 shooting and only shot 2 free throws. He also grabbed 9 boards.

rape.

BRHornet45

11-08-2009, 03:43 PM

God you are dumb. Lets actually look at the games and not pull made up stats out of our ass, ok?
Here lets look at last game. Dirk score 29 points on 12-20 shooting and only shot 2 free throws. He also grabbed 9 boards.

rape.

LMAO! ... funny how you have to pick through Dirk's good games. son like I said, he will have good, legit games once every 5 games or so. all those games in between, he can thank the refs and the free throw line for keeping his stats up.

badfish22

11-08-2009, 04:11 PM

Umm I didnt pick through games. I picked the most recent one.

Nice try tho

iggypop123

11-08-2009, 04:24 PM

sons he has a test tonight, no gasol or bynum. if he is trash against this guy damn he sucks
http://ahedofmytime.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/d35ead28b484de99e6e37dae23590ef9-getty-88095590mw137_nba_finals_ga.jpg

Culburn369

11-08-2009, 04:25 PM

Congo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

jazzypimp

11-08-2009, 04:33 PM

LoL at culburn trying to start shit.. He sucks so bad at it! LOL

Culburn369

11-08-2009, 04:35 PM

LoL at culburn trying to start shit.. He sucks so bad at it! LOL

Scoreboard= Sacramento.

jejejeje!!!

jazzypimp

11-08-2009, 04:39 PM

Scoreboard= Sacramento.

jejejeje!!!

Yeah we lost.. You still suck at this shit!! LoL plus your a 55 year old man!! We can look at scoreboards all we want but we can't turn back the clock and justify your pussy homo-erotic comments.

Culburn369

11-08-2009, 04:42 PM

Yeah we lost.. You still suck at this shit!! LoL plus your a 55 year old man!! We can look at scoreboards all we want but we can't turn back the clock and justify your pussy homo-erotic comments.

Well, perhaps, but, you let the Bulls take yer cookie, and you know what else, Jazzy? They made ya like it.

tee, hee.

mavs>spurs2

11-08-2009, 04:42 PM

Culburn369

11-08-2009, 04:45 PM

Just like the old AZ Central Board.

It'll never end.

BRHornet45

11-08-2009, 05:28 PM

John Ameachi

11-08-2009, 05:30 PM

Just like the old AZ Central Board.

It'll never end.

I got your personal message about the hot gay sex you're lookin for since the 8 year olds aren't talking to you anymore, sorry, but not interested.

Culburn369

11-08-2009, 05:31 PM

I got your personal message about the hot gay sex you're lookin for since the 8 year olds aren't talking to you anymore, sorry, but not interested.

lmcontrollinao!!!!!!

Culburn369

11-08-2009, 05:32 PM

LMAO good one jazzy!

Jazzy left, BR. The Sacramento Kings & I ran him off.

lmvictoriousao!

John Ameachi

11-08-2009, 05:33 PM

Jazzy left, BR. The Sacramento Kings & I ran him off.

lmvictoriousao!

Damn nigga, even I think you're a faggot.

Culburn369

11-08-2009, 05:35 PM

Damn nigga, even I think you're a faggot.

Fresh Fish! Fresh Fish! Fresh Fish! Fresh Fish! Fresh Fish!

BRHornet45

11-08-2009, 05:49 PM

damn nigga, even i think you're a faggot.

lmao

Culburn369

11-08-2009, 05:53 PM

lmao

BR & John, tagteam'in the old Cubby.

lmcontrollinao!

C'mon, boys, come get some. Come ta Pappy.

jazzypimp

11-08-2009, 06:04 PM

BR & John, tagteam'in the old Cubby.

lmcontrollinao!

C'mon, boys, come get some. Come ta Pappy.

Its creepy knowing that you truly fantasize about this!

Culburn369

11-08-2009, 06:06 PM

Hey, Jazzy, yer back!

How bout them Sacramento Kings? Busted that ass!

jazzypimp

11-08-2009, 06:20 PM

Hey, Jazzy, yer back!

How bout them Sacramento Kings? Busted that ass!

The reason your daughter has so much cellulite is because I busted that ass so hard she got ripples.

Culburn369

11-08-2009, 06:23 PM

The reason your daughter has so much cellulite is because I busted that ass so hard she got ripples.

Perhaps, but, you got beat last nite, daddy-O, by the Kings, and ain't nothin' you can do about it cept take it like a trooper.

tee, hee.

cobbler

11-08-2009, 06:31 PM

Interesting that a typical night for Dirk is 6-17 from the field considering he's one of the most efficient offensive players of all time :lol

121-63 :lol

I was looking for his place on the all time list... but sadly this list only goes 26 deep. Where is Dirky poo?

NBA All Time Leaders Field Goal Percentage

Artis Gilmore 5,732 9,570 .599
Mark West 2,528 4,356 .580
Shaquille O'Neal 8,670 15,020 .577
Steve Johnson 2,841 4,965 .572
Darryl Dawkins 3,477 6,079 .572
James Donaldson 3,105 5,442 .571
Jeff Ruland 2,105 3,734 .564
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 15,837 28,307 .559
Kevin McHale 6,830 12,334 .554
Bobby Jones 3,412 6,199 .550
Buck Williams 6,404 11,661 .549
Larry Nance 6,370 11,664 .546
Otis Thorpe 6,872 12,593 .546
Cedric Maxwell 3,433 6,293 .546
Charles Barkley 8,435 15,605 .541
Adrian Dantley 8,169 15,121 .540
Wilt Chamberlain 12,681 23,497 .540
Gene Banks 2,134 3,961 .539
Swen Nater 2,432 4,528 .537
Robert Parish 9,614 17,914 .537
Dale Davis 3,438 6,447 .533
Brad Daugherty 3,823 7,189 .532
Larry Smith 2,519 4,743 .531
Calvin Natt 4,003 7,580 .528
Bill Cartwright 4,656 8,868 .525
Kiki Vandeweghe 6,139 11,699 .525

Culburn369

11-08-2009, 06:33 PM

Donaldson! He was gonna be a "Jabbar stopper"...didn't quite work out, but he was a f'in oak tree.

badfish22

11-08-2009, 06:34 PM

I was looking for his place on the all time list... but sadly this list only goes 26 deep. Where is Dirky poo?

NBA All Time Leaders Field Goal Percentage

Artis Gilmore 5,732 9,570 .599
Mark West 2,528 4,356 .580
Shaquille O'Neal 8,670 15,020 .577
Steve Johnson 2,841 4,965 .572
Darryl Dawkins 3,477 6,079 .572
James Donaldson 3,105 5,442 .571
Jeff Ruland 2,105 3,734 .564
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 15,837 28,307 .559
Kevin McHale 6,830 12,334 .554
Bobby Jones 3,412 6,199 .550
Buck Williams 6,404 11,661 .549
Larry Nance 6,370 11,664 .546
Otis Thorpe 6,872 12,593 .546
Cedric Maxwell 3,433 6,293 .546
Charles Barkley 8,435 15,605 .541
Adrian Dantley 8,169 15,121 .540
Wilt Chamberlain 12,681 23,497 .540
Gene Banks 2,134 3,961 .539
Swen Nater 2,432 4,528 .537
Robert Parish 9,614 17,914 .537
Dale Davis 3,438 6,447 .533
Brad Daugherty 3,823 7,189 .532
Larry Smith 2,519 4,743 .531
Calvin Natt 4,003 7,580 .528
Bill Cartwright 4,656 8,868 .525
Kiki Vandeweghe 6,139 11,699 .525

Oh sorry you dumb bag of shit, but he said EFFICIENT. Lets take a gander at the top 15 list for the shall we?

1. Michael Jordan (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jordami01.html)* 27.91
2. Shaquille O'Neal (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/o/onealsh01.html) 26.82
3. LeBron James (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jamesle01.html) 26.25
4. David Robinson (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/r/robinda01.html)* 26.18
5. Wilt Chamberlain (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/c/chambwi01.html)* 26.13
6. Bob Pettit (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/pettibo01.html)* 25.37
7. Dwyane Wade (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/wadedw01.html) 25.22
8. Tim Duncan (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/duncati01.html) 25.05
9. Neil Johnston (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/johnsne01.html)* 24.66
10. Charles Barkley (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/barklch01.html)* 24.63
11. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/abdulka01.html)* 24.58
12. Magic Johnson (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/johnsma02.html)* 24.11
13. Karl Malone (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/malonka01.html) 23.90
14. Dirk Nowitzki (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/n/nowitdi01.html) 23.85
15. Kevin Garnett (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/garneke01.html) 23.77

RAPE.

God owning laker fans is too easy.

sonic21

11-08-2009, 06:36 PM

:lmao

cobbler

11-08-2009, 06:37 PM

define efficent... the guy iesnt even in the top 250 for shooting %. Thats not efficent anywhere in my book. Not to mention the 0 for liftime in rings.

Culburn369

11-08-2009, 06:39 PM

God owning laker fans is too easy.

Well, it certainly beats the snot out of south Florida, eh?

jejejeje!!!

badfish22

11-08-2009, 06:41 PM

define efficent...
You don't know what PER is?
:lol:lol

badfish22

11-08-2009, 06:43 PM

the guy iesnt even in the top 250 for shooting %. Thats not efficent anywhere in my book. Not to mention the 0 for liftime in rings.

look at your list dumb fuck, almost all of the top fg% players are post players.
Dirk is mostly a jump shooter.

And leave it to a Laker fan to fall back on rings. No matter how irrelevant it is.

cobbler

11-08-2009, 06:46 PM

Oh sorry you dumb bag of shit, but he said EFFICIENT. Lets take a gander at the top 15 list for the shall we?

RAPE.

God owning laker fans is too easy.

Well...Ghazi did say efficient offensive players did he not? Huh? Speak up. Did he not? And since the numbers you showed included total rebounds per game, assists per game, steals per game, and blocks per game in their effiecency rating...

Ill see your rape and show you that anything lakers owning anythin Mavs os a forgone conclusion... as witnessed by the 15 to 0 lifetime.

cobbler

11-08-2009, 06:48 PM

look at your list dumb fuck, almost all of the top fg% players are post players.
Dirk is mostly a jump shooter.

And leave it to a Laker fan to fall back on rings. No matter how irrelevant it is.

Now you backpeddling son. He said offensively efficient of all time. Not for a particular position. He simply isn't anyway you cut it. Total efficency... yes. Offense... not even close.

Dumbass.

cobbler

11-08-2009, 06:51 PM

badfish22

11-08-2009, 06:56 PM

Well...Ghazi did say efficient offensive players did he not. And since the numbers you showed included total rebounds per game, assists per game, steals per game, or blocks per game in their effiecency rating...

haha Dirk dosnt really get a bunch of steals and blocks per game. His efficiency comes from not missing any fts, committing too many fouls or turning the ball over.

You pulled out a fg% chart. I pulled out a list that actually measures players over all efficiency. And he is right there buddy, at number 14.

And of course you cant try to base a jump shooters efficiency by comparing his fg% to players like Shaq you dumb shit :lmao
Use common sense.

cobbler

11-08-2009, 06:57 PM

ohhhh seeing a lot of the "jump shooters" in the expanded list... yet no Dirky Poo. Hmmmmmm... not even in the top 250 :lol

1. Artis Gilmore .5990
2. Shaquille O'Neal .5817
3. Mark West .5803
4. Steve Johnson .5722
5. Darryl Dawkins .5720
6. James Donaldson .5706
7. Dwight Howard .5692
8. Bo Outlaw .5673
9. Jeff Ruland .5637
10. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar* .5595
11. Kevin McHale* .5538
12. Bobby Jones .5504
13. Buck Williams .5492
14. Larry Nance .5461
15. Eddy Curry .5458
16. Otis Thorpe .5457
17. Cedric Maxwell .5455
18. Amare Stoudemire .5410
19. Charles Barkley* .5405
20. Adrian Dantley* .5402
21. Wilt Chamberlain* .5397
22. Gene Banks .5388
23. Swen Nater .5371
24. Robert Parish* .5367
25. Carlos Boozer .5347
26. Brad Daugherty .5318
27. Larry Smith .5311
28. Dale Davis .5299
29. Calvin Natt .5281
30. Alonzo Mourning .5274
31. Bill Cartwright .5250
32. Yao Ming .5247
Kiki Vandeweghe .5247
34. Clifford Ray .5243
35. Lewis Lloyd .5241
36. Maurice Cheeks .5234
37. Mitch Kupchak .5227
38. Tree Rollins .5223
39. Dennis Rodman .5209
James Worthy* .5209
41. Bill Walton* .5208
42. Pau Gasol .5198
43. Magic Johnson* .5197
44. Frank Brickowski .5188
45. Bernard King .5182
Dikembe Mutombo .5182
47. Marques Johnson .5181
48. David Robinson* .5179
49. Ruben Patterson .5170
50. Karl Malone .5161
51. Walt Bellamy* .5159
52. Cliff Levingston .5157
53. John Stockton* .5154
54. Michael Cage .5147
55. Bob Lanier* .5142
56. Orlando Woolridge .5131
57. Chris Gatling .5127
58. Alton Lister .5123
59. Hakeem Olajuwon* .5121
60. Walter Davis .5115
61. Joe Meriweather .5113
62. Danny Manning .5110
63. George Gervin* .5109
64. Brad Davis .5103
65. Kenny Carr .5097
66. Anthony Mason .5095
67. Chris Mullin .5089
Wes Unseld* .5089
69. Horace Grant .5086
70. Tom Owens .5077
71. Tim Duncan .5074
72. Julius Erving* .5069
73. Alex English* .5067
Rik Smits .5067
75. Billy Knight .5064
Dan Issel* .5064
77. Otis Birdsong .5062
78. Terry Dischinger .5057
79. Olden Polynice .5055
80. Othella Harrington .5051
81. Wayman Tisdale .5048
82. Patrick Ewing* .5042
83. Loy Vaught .5040
84. Mychal Thompson .5037
Paul Westphal .5037
86. Mark Blount .5036
David Thompson* .5036
88. Bob McAdoo* .5030
89. Antoine Carr .5027
90. Elton Brand .5025
Al Jefferson .5025
Rodney McCray .5025
93. Sidney Moncrief .5022
Tyrone Hill .5022
95. Fred Roberts .5020
96. Kevin Gamble .5018
97. Doug Collins .5013
Kyle Macy .5013
99. Rudy Tomjanovich .5009
100. Rasho Nesterovic .5008
101. Arvydas Sabonis .5005
102. Cedric Ceballos .5003
103. Andrew Toney .5000
104. Matt Geiger .4994
John Paxson .4994
106. Jamaal Wilkes .4992
107. Jerry Lucas* .4990
108. Roy Hinson .4986
109. Derek Smith .4985
110. Vern Fleming .4984
Steve Mix .4984
112. Alvan Adams .4980
113. Bill Laimbeer .4978
114. Antonio McDyess .4977
115. Jim Paxson .4976
116. Theo Ratliff .4972
117. Michael Jordan* .4969
Clark Kellogg .4969
119. Benoit Benjamin .4967
120. Pat Cummings .4965
121. Ollie Johnson .4961
122. Jeff Hornacek .4959
123. Kevin Garnett .4958
124. Larry Bird* .4956
125. Phil Hubbard .4954
126. Vlade Divac .4952
127. James Edwards .4949
128. A.C. Green .4938
129. Eric Money .4936
130. Kent Benson .4935
131. Ricky Pierce .4934
Mike Mitchell .4934
133. Rolando Blackman .4930
134. Rick Mahorn .4928
Johnny Green .4928
136. Erick Dampier .4926
Kevin Johnson .4926
138. LaSalle Thompson .4918
139. Tony Battie .4917
Greg Anderson .4917
141. Lonnie Shelton .4915
142. Mark Olberding .4911
Detlef Schrempf .4911
144. Moses Malone* .4908
145. Billy Paultz .4907
146. Tony Parker .4903
147. Brian Grant .4901
148. Corliss Williamson .4899
149. Walt Frazier* .4898
150. Jon McGlocklin .4895
151. Armen Gilliam .4889
152. Larry Kenon .4887
153. Lou Hudson .4886
154. Rich Kelley .4884
155. Reggie Lewis .4882
156. Dick Snyder .4881
Shawn Kemp .4881
158. Chris Bosh .4877
159. Steve Nash .4872
160. Brad Miller .4871
161. Mike McGee .4869
Kevin Willis .4869
163. Butch Beard .4865
164. Ralph Sampson .4864
165. Grant Hill .4857
166. Derrick McKey .4856
Ken Norman .4856
168. Xavier McDaniel .4855
Kurt Thomas .4855
170. Vin Baker .4850
Terry Catledge .4850
172. Paul Pressey .4847
Sedale Threatt .4847
174. Oscar Robertson* .4846
Wally Szczerbiak .4846
176. Dan Roundfield .4845
177. Larry Johnson .4844
Steve Stipanovich .4844
Mark Aguirre .4844
180. Sherman Douglas .4843
181. Terry Tyler .4840
Bob Dandridge .4840
183. Dave Corzine .4838
Terry Cummings .4838
Jeff Malone .4838
186. James Bailey .4837
Rony Seikaly .4837
188. Steve Hawes .4833
Larry Steele .4833
190. Norm Nixon .4830
Truck Robinson .4830
192. Kenyon Martin .4829
David West .4829
194. Dwyane Wade .4828
195. Kevin Porter .4827
196. Tom McMillen .4826
197. Curtis Rowe .4825
198. Byron Scott .4824
199. Calvin Murphy* .4822
Jim McMillian .4822
201. Bill Robinzine .4820
202. Elmore Smith .4818
203. Mike Sanders .4817
204. Billy Owens .4813
205. Shawn Marion .4811
206. Scott Wedman .4810
207. Danny Schayes .4807
Doug West .4807
Matt Harpring .4807
210. Christian Laettner .4802
211. Hot Rod Williams .4801
212. Don Nelson .4798
213. Archie Clark .4797
Kenny Smith .4797
215. Bailey Howell* .4796
216. Dale Ellis .4794
217. John Mengelt .4791
218. Steve Kerr .4790
219. Jim Fox .4789
220. Avery Johnson .4788
221. Chris Webber .4787
222. Happy Hairston .4779
Fred Brown .4779
224. Alvin Robertson .4772
Dave Greenwood .4772
226. Ernie Grunfeld .4771
227. Bob Kauffman .4769
228. B.J. Armstrong .4765
229. Willis Reed* .4763
230. Phil Smith .4760
231. Eddie Johnson .4759
232. Jay Humphries .4757
Zydrunas Ilgauskas .4757
Kevin Kunnert .4757
235. Junior Bridgeman .4754
236. Charles Smith .4751
237. Blue Edwards .4749
238. Brian Winters .4748
Gerald Wallace .4748
240. Vinny Del Negro .4747
241. Luol Deng .4746
242. Purvis Short .4745
243. Joe Barry Carroll .4744
244. Jay Vincent .4737
Jerry West* .4737
246. Caldwell Jones .4734
247. Chris Paul .4732
248. Maurice Lucas .4730
249. Kelly Tripucka .4727
Thurl Bailey .4727

BRHornet45

11-08-2009, 07:01 PM

cobbler

11-08-2009, 07:02 PM

haha Dirk dosnt really get a bunch of steals and blocks per game. His efficiency comes from not missing any fts, committing too many fouls or turning the ball over.

You pulled out a fg% chart. I pulled out a list that actually measures players over all efficiency. And he is right there buddy, at number 14.

And of course you cant try to base a jump shooters efficiency by comparing his fg% to players like Shaq you dumb shit :lmao
Use common sense.

Your numbers came from a list on effiency... not offensive efficency. The efficency chart takes into consideration all the defensive parameters too. It's not rocket science. Dirk is not one of the top "offensive" efficent players of all time.

...and if you dont consider fg% as being the major parameter in offensive efficiency... well... that would explain a lot of your ignorant posts on the board. Use common sense!

Catch you later 0 for life.

BRHornet45

11-08-2009, 07:03 PM

Now you backpeddling son. He said offensively efficient of all time. Not for a particular position. He simply isn't anyway you cut it. Total efficency... yes. Offense... not even close.

Dumbass.

son don't bother bringing facts in here with Maverick fans ... they simply turn the other cheek to them.

Culburn369

11-08-2009, 07:04 PM

BR, gettin' his allegiance on with the Lakers Fan.

It do not get better than this!

Culburn369

11-08-2009, 07:06 PM

Hey, BR, I'm against badfish too. How bout me, BR, do I get some support? You porkin' yer mother withstanding.

cobbler

11-08-2009, 07:06 PM

son don't bother bringing facts in here with Maverick fans ... they simply turn the other cheek to them.

:toast

BRHornet45

11-08-2009, 07:06 PM

BR, gettin' his allegiance on with the Lakers Fan.

It do not get better than this!

son better than being alone in every thread like you have been. god bless

Culburn369

11-08-2009, 07:10 PM

son better than being alone in every thread like you have been. god bless

I like [alone] just dandy, BR. I ain't nobody's fart catcher.

badfish22

11-08-2009, 07:10 PM

Your numbers came from a list on effiency... not offensive efficency. The efficency chart takes into consideration all the defensive parameters too. It's not rocket science. Dirk is not one of the top "offensive" efficent players of all time.

...and if you dont consider fg% as being the major parameter in offensive efficiency... well... that would explain a lot of your ignorant posts on the board. Use common sense!

Catch you later 0 for life.

Well so you admit it. Dirk is one of the most efficient players of all time. Good. FG% aint everything man. Even thought you are treating it as such.

Any when it comes to fg%, Dirks crappy rookie year is what is keeping him out of that. He shot at 0.405 that year. And has never average lower than .461 after that.
His MVP year he shot .502

And BR im the one bringing in facts you sad piece of horse shit.

Culburn369

11-08-2009, 07:12 PM

cobbler

11-08-2009, 07:15 PM

Well so you admit it. Dirk is one of the most efficient players of all time. Good. FG% aint everything man. Even thought you are treating it as such.

Any when it comes to fg%, Dirks crappy rookie year is what is keeping him out of that. He shot at 0.405 that year. And has never average lower than .461 after that.
His MVP year he shot .502

And BR im the one bringing in facts you sad piece of horse shit.

I certainly admit that he is one of the best of all time in efficency.

The argument, in case you haven't grasped it yet, which is alarming since i have mentioned it like 5 times, was that he isn't one of the most efficient OFFENSIVE players of all time.

He clearly isn't... and your claim of ownage is well... owned!

BTW... He's not in the top 250 in Offensive rebounds, Offensive rebound %, or Assists. I'm trying to think of another "offensive" parameter that he could be tops in... do they have a stat for calling timeouts or something?

Kudos though to your back peddling skills!!!! :toast

dirk4mvp

11-08-2009, 07:16 PM

Oh sorry you dumb bag of shit, but he said EFFICIENT. Lets take a gander at the top 15 list for the shall we?

1. Michael Jordan (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jordami01.html)* 27.91
2. Shaquille O'Neal (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/o/onealsh01.html) 26.82
3. LeBron James (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jamesle01.html) 26.25
4. David Robinson (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/r/robinda01.html)* 26.18
5. Wilt Chamberlain (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/c/chambwi01.html)* 26.13
6. Bob Pettit (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/pettibo01.html)* 25.37
7. Dwyane Wade (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/wadedw01.html) 25.22
8. Tim Duncan (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/duncati01.html) 25.05
9. Neil Johnston (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/johnsne01.html)* 24.66
10. Charles Barkley (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/barklch01.html)* 24.63
11. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/abdulka01.html)* 24.58
12. Magic Johnson (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/johnsma02.html)* 24.11
13. Karl Malone (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/malonka01.html) 23.90
14. Dirk Nowitzki (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/n/nowitdi01.html) 23.85
15. Kevin Garnett (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/garneke01.html) 23.77

RAPE.

God owning laker fans is too easy.

define efficent...

:lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao

badfish22

11-08-2009, 07:26 PM

The argument, in case you haven't grasped it yet, which is alarming since i have mentioned lit like 5 times, was that he is one of the most efficient OFFENSIVE players of all time.

The thing is, dumbass, is that you are basing offensive efficiency on one single statistic FG% Which I already said he would be on that list if not for his crappy rookie year.
Lets look at other OFFENSIVE things

Here is EFF. FG % http://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/efg_pct_career.html
Dirk is on the list

Offensive win shares- http://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/ows_career.html
Dirk is one the list, very high on list

FT % http://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/ft_pct_career.html
Dirk is top 15

TO Percent http://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/tov_pct_career.html
Dirk is high on the list

And check this out

Nowitzki earned a decade-best 137.6 Win Shares during the regular season.
Nowitzki finished fifth in the decade with 17.4 playoff Win Shares, but while Nowitzki played in only 97 playoff games, no one above him played him in fewer than 133 games.
Nowitzki is an almost perfect blend of productivity and efficiency. Among players with at least 400 games played during the decade, he had the 15th-highest usage percentage (http://www.basketball-reference.com/about/glossary.html#usg_pct), the 8th-lowest turnover percentage (http://www.basketball-reference.com/about/glossary.html#tov_pct), and the 6th-highest offensive rating (http://www.basketball-reference.com/about/glossary.html#off_rtg).

Just admit it you lost Laker fan

BRHornet45

11-08-2009, 07:31 PM

badfish22

11-08-2009, 07:36 PM

cobbler

11-08-2009, 07:36 PM

The thing is, dumbass, is that you are basing offensive efficiency on one single statistic FG% Which I already said he would be on that list if not for his crappy rookie year.
Lets look at other OFFENSIVE things

Here is EFF. FG % http://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/efg_pct_career.html
Dirk is on the list

Offensive win shares- http://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/ows_career.html
Dirk is one the list, very high on list

FT % http://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/ft_pct_career.html
Dirk is top 15

TO Percent http://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/tov_pct_career.html
Dirk is high on the list

And check this out

Nowitzki earned a decade-best 137.6 Win Shares during the regular season.
Nowitzki finished fifth in the decade with 17.4 playoff Win Shares, but while Nowitzki played in only 97 playoff games, no one above him played him in fewer than 133 games.
Nowitzki is an almost perfect blend of productivity and efficiency. Among players with at least 400 games played during the decade, he had the 15th-highest usage percentage (http://www.basketball-reference.com/about/glossary.html#usg_pct), the 8th-lowest turnover percentage (http://www.basketball-reference.com/about/glossary.html#tov_pct), and the 6th-highest offensive rating (http://www.basketball-reference.com/about/glossary.html#off_rtg).

Just admit it you lost Laker fan

108th on the list of EFF.FG% is not best of all time... 108th on any list isnt best of anything.

Win shares? :lmao

FT%... ill give you that one 15th is up there.

TO %.... where is your common sense argument here? He's a forward/center?

He's not in the top 250 in FG%, Offensive rebounds, Offensive rebound %, or Assists. Those are the major contributing parameters. I gave you FT%.

You can pull all the obscure stats you want out of your ass but it changes nothing.

You claimed ownage... you FAILED.

Now.... Failure % is another thing. Dirk, you, and all Mav's own that one!

have a nice day!

cobbler

11-08-2009, 07:38 PM

I guess two years of averaging 9.9 rebounds doesn't count?
:rolleyes

2 years out of a 15 year career? Classic!

BRHornet45

11-08-2009, 07:39 PM

I guess two years of averaging 9.9 rebounds doesn't count?
:rolleyes

LOL son those two years have to hurt ... so close to 10, but white boy just didn't have what it took to get the job done.

Dirk is a career 8 rebound per game PF. what a joke! ... it is a direct slap to the FACE to all of the NBA's greatest PF's in history that SOME of you actually consider this guy one of the best. lol truly pathetic.

dirk4mvp

11-08-2009, 07:41 PM

I wonder if there's been more guys in the history of the nba to put up 90/40/50 or average 20/10...

Plus I'll take 23/8.5 over 20 and 10 for a career.

badfish22

11-08-2009, 07:42 PM

Win shares? :lmao

FT%... ill give you that one 15th is up there.

TO %.... where is your common sense argument here? He's a forward/center?

He's not in the top 250 in FG%, Offensive rebounds, Offensive rebound %, or Assists. Those are the major contributing parameters. I gave you FT%.

You can pull all the obscure stats you want out of your ass but it changes nothing.

You claimed ownage... you FAILED.

Now.... Failure % is another thing. Dirk, you, and all Mav's own that one!

have a nice day!

15th-highest usage percentage (http://www.basketball-reference.com/about/glossary.html#usg_pct), the 8th-lowest turnover percentage (http://www.basketball-reference.com/about/glossary.html#tov_pct), and the 6th-highest offensive rating (http://www.basketball-reference.com/about/glossary.html#off_rtg).

Owned.

108th on the list of EFF.FG% is not best of all time... 108th on any list isnt best of anything.

Didnt say he was best of all time. He is on the list (in front of people like MJ)
And way to laugh on win shares because you dont have a response.

And to have to 8th lowest TO percent is a great stat. No matter what position you play

Good try though. You got raped, stop trying to laugh your way out of it.

dirk4mvp

11-08-2009, 07:43 PM

Damn sons, the almighty Zach Randolph has had a handful of 20/10 seasons. Every gm will take him over Dirk in a heartbeat.

BRHornet45

11-08-2009, 07:43 PM

dirk4mvp

11-08-2009, 07:47 PM

sons I may actually be able to look past Dirk's lack of rebounding if he actually had a decent shooting percentage. LMAO 472% .... oh yea... 22, 8, and a below average shooting percentage sure are GREATNESS!!! LMAO

In what situation is 47% shooting for a non post player not good?

Does this mean Chris Paul is only just "good" because of his 47% career shooting percentage?

BRHornet45

11-08-2009, 07:47 PM

Damn sons, the almighty Zach Randolph has had a handful of 20/10 seasons. Every gm will take him over Dirk in a heartbeat.

son no one is trying to compare a guy like Randolph to Dirk nor is anyone saying that Randolph is great .... YOU MAVERICK FANS are the ones who are constantly bragging and claiming that Dirk is one of the best PF's to ever play the game! anyone with a brain who isn't a biased, homer Dallas fan can tell that simply isn't true ... he is absolutely NOWHERE NEAR being one of the best. nowhere near the top.

again ... Dirk is a damn good player, but far from "Great"

Culburn369

11-08-2009, 07:47 PM

& don't ferget, like Cobb said: we have those 15 NBA World Titles.

dirk4mvp

11-08-2009, 07:49 PM

son no one is trying to compare a guy like Randolph to Dirk nor is anyone saying that Randolfh is great .... YOU MAVERICK FANS are the ones who are constantly bragging and claiming that Dirk is one of the best PF's to ever play the game! anyone with a brain who isn't a biased, homer Dallas fan can tell that simply isn't true ... he is absolutely NOWHERE NEAR being one of the best. nowhere near the top.

again ... Dirk is a damn good player, but far from "Great"

ok sons, name every PF ever that's better than him.

BRHornet45

11-08-2009, 07:49 PM

In what situation is 47% shooting for a non post player good?

Does this mean Chris Paul is only just "good" because of his 47% career shooting percentage?

son Chris Paul has 4 seasons under his belt and his shooting percentage is doing nothing but going up every year .... talk to me again in about 10 years whenever Paul's career shooting percentage is well over 50% and Dirk's has sunk down to 45-46%.

cobbler

11-08-2009, 07:50 PM

15th-highest usage percentage (http://www.basketball-reference.com/about/glossary.html#usg_pct), the 8th-lowest turnover percentage (http://www.basketball-reference.com/about/glossary.html#tov_pct), and the 6th-highest offensive rating (http://www.basketball-reference.com/about/glossary.html#off_rtg).

Owned.

Didnt say he was best of all time. He is on the list (in front of people like MJ)
And way to laugh on win shares because you dont have a response.

And to have to 8th lowest TO percent is a great stat. No matter what position you play

Good try though. You got raped, stop trying to laugh your way out of it.

You can claim ownage all you want... just like you claim the 2006 title. Now you are using "decade" and back peddling from "all time".

I agree Dirk is a very good player. One of the greatest of all time is laughable. One of the greatest of all times in offensive efficency is arguably (see the above ownage) absurd.

I am off to go to the game.... catch you later.

...again... You are one the the leaders "all time" in failure to ring so kudos for that! :toast

redzero

11-08-2009, 07:50 PM

This thread has gotten out of hand quickly.

dirk4mvp

11-08-2009, 07:50 PM

son Chris Paul has 4 seasons under his belt and his shooting percentage is doing nothing but going up every year .... talk to me again in about 10 years whenever Paul's career shooting percentage is well over 50% and Dirk's has sunk down to 45-46%.

lol at Chris Paul's 47% shooting.

badfish22

11-08-2009, 07:51 PM

& don't ferget, like Cobb said: we have those 15 NBA World Titles.

See Cobb, this should be a revelation for you. Culburn uses some of the same arguments you do.

cobbler

11-08-2009, 07:53 PM

See Cobb, this should be a revelation for you. Culburn uses some of the same arguments you do.

I have no problem with that.

You see... the whole 15-0 thing is just plain fun as it gets under your skin. I don't blame you there either. It's would drive me nuts.

Culburn369

11-08-2009, 07:53 PM

ok sons, name every PF ever that's better than him.

Tim Duncan (before he took up the rockin' chair)
Bob McAdoo
Kevin McHale
Larry Bird
Elvin Hayes
Maurice Lucas

badfish22

11-08-2009, 07:54 PM

One of the greatest of all times in offensive efficency is arguably (see the above ownage) absurd.

So I guess all the stats I showed don't matter :rolleyes Laker fans. Never change their opinion no matter how stupid it turns out to be.

And I dont claim the 2006 title. Never have, never will
Sure there was terrible officiating favoring the heat, but there is no ring for Dirk and no banner in the rafters.

monosylab1k

11-08-2009, 07:55 PM

This thread has gotten out of hand quickly.

I'm just waiting to see somebody get killed with a trident.

badfish22

11-08-2009, 07:55 PM

Larry Bird

:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

You dumb piece of shit

:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

It goes
sf Bird
pf Mchale
c Parish

dumb shit

dirk4mvp

11-08-2009, 07:55 PM

Tim Duncan (before he took up the rockin' chair)
Bob McAdoo
Kevin McHale
Larry Bird
Elvin Hayes
Maurice Lucas

You're retarded.

lol at using a SF.

DUNCANownsKOBE2

11-08-2009, 07:56 PM

Sure there was terrible officiating favoring the heat, but there is no ring for Dirk and no banner in the rafters.

Don't worry, you still have as many rings as Cobbler and Culburn do.

Culburn369

11-08-2009, 07:57 PM

See Cobb, this should be a revelation for you. Culburn uses some of the same arguments you do.

Was Cobb right to do it (the 15)? No.

Was Cobb justified to do it (the 15)? Yes.

Cobb used it as you all used Daddy/sans Kobe for three years. "We'd" just get goin' in an argument/debate and some wise ass would whip out the Daddy hammer and lay it on us. That's what Cobb did with the (15). Stings, don't it?

Findog

11-08-2009, 07:59 PM

lol at these Maverick fans still trying to fool others that Dirk is a great PF .... I'll give you "damn good" at best, but he is VERY FAR from "Great". the dude can't even average 10 rebounds per game ... talk to me whenever Dirk puts up 20 and 10 over his career like Tim Duncan does. then maybe you will have a leg to stand on. hell, Dirk has never once in his career averaged a double, double LMAO!!!

Dirk averages what, 9 rebounds a game for his career? He's averaged a 25/11 in the playoffs for his career.

Dirk is great; not as great as Duncan, I'll give you that at their peak or for their careers, but to say Dirk isn't great is absurd. But I'm arguing with a 121-63 fan, so no surprises there. You're just spewing the ignorance you're supposed to spew.

Culburn369

11-08-2009, 07:59 PM

You're retarded.

lol at using a SF.

It's a fine list, yer just subjective for Dirk.

Ghazi

11-08-2009, 07:59 PM

Findog

11-08-2009, 08:00 PM

Tim Duncan (before he took up the rockin' chair)
Bob McAdoo
Kevin McHale
Larry Bird
Elvin Hayes
Maurice Lucas

The bolded guys aren't as good as Dirk.

Ghazi

11-08-2009, 08:01 PM

If your definition of "great" is a top 2-3 PF of all time then no Dirk is not great.

But if your definition of great is a top 5-10 PF of all time, which Dirk is, then yes greatness :)

Also, best PF in the fucking league right now. 4x all-NBA, 9x all star, (should be) 1x champion.

Oh the greatness! :)

Culburn369

11-08-2009, 08:02 PM

The bolded guys aren't as good as Dirk.

"good" to me is who I would take if presented with Dirk and each of those fellows side-by-side, Fin. Not even a question straight down the line. You're too close, Fin. You have no objectivity.

cobbler

11-08-2009, 08:02 PM

ok sons, name every PF ever that's better than him.

I certainly cannot name EVERY one.... but i can list quite a few off the top of my head for ya.

Barkley
McHale
Duncan
Malone
Elvin Hayes
KG
Debusshure (sp)
Lucas
Schaes (sp)
Pettit
Haywood
Rodman

just to name a few. And don't let me add SF's who are better cause the list will grow exponetionally.

dirk4mvp

11-08-2009, 08:02 PM

It's a fine list, yer just subjective for Dirk.

So Bird's a pf?

Culburn369

11-08-2009, 08:03 PM

Don't worry, you still have as many rings as Cobbler and Culburn do.

I ain't worried, DUNCAN. I got 15 NBA World Championships. You're holding the NBA Old Maid card at O & 41!

Culburn369

11-08-2009, 08:04 PM

So Bird's a pf?

Damn right.

DUNCANownsKOBE2

11-08-2009, 08:05 PM

I certainly cannot name EVERY one.... but i can list quite a few off the top of my head for ya.

Barkley
McHale
Duncan
Malone
Elvin Hayes
KG
Debusshure (sp)
Lucas
Schaes (sp)
Pettit
Haywood
Rodman

just to name a few. And don't let me add SF's who are better cause the list will grow exponetionally.

:lmao

You seriously just said Dave DeBusschere (career average of 16 PPG) is better than Dirk?

BRHornet45

11-08-2009, 08:05 PM

ok sons, name every PF ever that's better than him.

son just to name a few ...

Past:
Elvin Hayes
Charles Barkley
Karl Malone
Chris Webber
Kevin McHale
Bob Pettit
Present:
Tim Duncan
Kevin Garnett
Pau Gasol
Chris Bosh
Elton Brand

son that is just 11 players off the top of my head ... hell I'd even take Rodman over Dirk in his prime.

Ghazi

11-08-2009, 08:07 PM

Elton Brand :lmao

badfish22

11-08-2009, 08:07 PM

I certainly cannot name EVERY one.... but i can list quite a few off the top of my head for ya.

Barkley
McHale
Duncan
Malone
Elvin Hayes
KG
Debusshure (sp)
Lucas
Schaes (sp)
Pettit
Haywood
Rodman

just to name a few. And don't let me add SF's who are better cause the list will grow exponetionally.

Wow. Just Wow. You are such a dumb ass. Im not even going to list all the things wrong with that but Dirk in the top 5 best pf.

Duncan is a center, but if you must include him the dirk is still in top 5.

dirk4mvp

11-08-2009, 08:07 PM

son just to name a few ...

Past:
Elvin Hayes
Charles Barkley
Karl Malone
Chris Webber
Kevin McHale
Bob Pettit
Present:
Tim Duncan
Kevin Garnett
Pau Gasol
Chris Bosh
Elton Brand

son that is just 11 players off the top of my head ... hell I'd even take Rodman over Dirk in his prime.

And I thought you were being serious in this thread.

BRHornet45

11-08-2009, 08:08 PM

Dirk averages what, 9 rebounds a game for his career? He's averaged a 25/11 in the playoffs for his career.

Dirk is great; not as great as Duncan, I'll give you that at their peak or for their careers, but to say Dirk isn't great is absurd. But I'm arguing with a 121-63 fan, so no surprises there. You're just spewing the ignorance you're supposed to spew.

lol hey we have yet another Maverick fan inflating Dirk's numbers! NO son Dirk is not at 9 rebounds per game over his career. he is at 8. lol gotta love this rounding up bullshit the mavs fans try to pull.

Dirk's career numbers ... 22/8/ and LMAO 472% shooting.

badfish22

11-08-2009, 08:08 PM

Alright Im done raping Laker fans. BR can continue raping himself if he wants i dont care.

Time to go watch the 'boys

BRHornet45

11-08-2009, 08:08 PM

And I thought you were being serious in this thread.

lol the truth hurts doesn't it son? ... sorry ... Dallas's "great white hype" is not all you think he is.

BRHornet45

11-08-2009, 08:09 PM

cobbler

11-08-2009, 08:10 PM

lol at Dirk's efficiency and rebounding being put into question

When you get to the line a lot and make over 90%, when you shoot 48% from the field, when you shoot a lot of 3's and make around 40% (not the case anymore with Dirk, but it was a huge part of his offensive arsenal in the past), when you hardly ever turn it over, that's efficiency.

As for his rebounding, 8.5 isn't something to sneeze at considering his perimeter oriented game... he is a very good defensive rebounder but subpar on the offensive glass due to his style. Also, dude's averaging 11 rebounds per game in the playoffs. GTFO with dat shit.

lol 121-63

Who argued his efficiency wasn't good. Its just not one of the greates of all time as you claimed. He's not in the top 250 for shooting % or rebounding for a PF. Yes you can back peddle and say he shoots froom the perimeter but hes not even in the top 250 all time there either.

He's good.... I have no issues with that. Claiming he's one of the greatest of all time (offensive eff) is just wrong anyway you cut it.

Findog

11-08-2009, 08:11 PM

son just to name a few ...

Past:
Elvin Hayes
Charles Barkley
Karl Malone
Chris Webber
Kevin McHale
Bob Pettit
Present:
Tim Duncan
Kevin Garnett
Pau Gasol
Chris Bosh
Elton Brand

son that is just 11 players off the top of my head ... hell I'd even take Rodman over Dirk in his prime.

:lmao at the bolded.

You never get to be taken seriously ever again, not that you were to begin wtih. The most egregious example is Chris Bosh. Dirk is miles better than him.

dirk4mvp

11-08-2009, 08:11 PM

lol the truth hurts doesn't it son? ... sorry ... Dallas's "great white hype" is not all you think he is.

son so explain Dirk's 25.5/11 in the postseason. Surely that's inflated somehow.

he is at 8.

:lol

BRHornet45

11-08-2009, 08:11 PM

Who argued his efficiency wasn't good. Its just not one of the greates of all time as you claimed. He's not in the top 250 for shooting % or rebounding for a PF. Yes you can back peddle and say he shoots froom the perimeter but hes not even in the top 250 all time there either.

He's good.... I have no issues with that. Claiming he's one of the greatest of all time (offensive eff) is just wrong anyway you cut it.

well put

Findog

11-08-2009, 08:11 PM

Bob Davies of the Rochester Royals> Steve Nash

Findog

11-08-2009, 08:13 PM

Lakers and 121-63 fans are hilarious.

Findog

11-08-2009, 08:14 PM

Dolph Schayes > Dirk? Sorry, but if you put Dirk in a time machine and sent him back to the fifties, he'd put up a 50/25. And if you brought Schayes to 2009, he couldn't play for a NCAA Division 1 team.

I guess Bob Cousy > Chris Paul. After all, he won more.

sonic21

11-08-2009, 08:14 PM

best PF:

1-Duncan
2-K. Malone
3-Barkley
4-Pettit
5-McHale
6-Nowitzki

Greg Oden

11-08-2009, 08:14 PM

sons at least Allanon puts up a fight when he's losing an argument.

Findog

11-08-2009, 08:15 PM

sons at least Allanon puts up a fight when he's losing an argument.

I think BR121-63 and cobbler are putting on some sort of performance art for our benefit. The funniest was Bosh > Dirk.

Findog

11-08-2009, 08:16 PM

best PF:

1-Duncan
2-K. Malone
3-Barkley
4-Pettit
5-McHale
6-Nowitzki

Good list. An intelligent list.

BRHornet45

11-08-2009, 08:16 PM

:lmao at the bolded.

You never get to be taken seriously ever again, not that you were to begin wtih. The most egregious example is Chris Bosh. Dirk is miles better than him.

LOL son at you highlighting like 6-7 of those players! ... it truly is hilarious, but so damn pathetic at the same time how much your own homerism has blinded you to reality. honest question though son and seriously answer it honestly ... is the fact that Dirk is white have anything to do with why you hug his nuts and hype him up so much? I have said it over and over, yes Dirk is a damn good player, but my God lol ... one of the best ever? LMAO

Look ... I understand we can argue over maybe 1 or 2 of those guys I listed, but you are truly a complete moron if you think Dirk is better than all of those guys you highlighted. are you fucking serious??? Bosh is a toss up right now, but I am willing to guarantee you that 5 years down the road when Bosh has as many years under his belt as Dirk that his numbers will blow Dirk's out the water.

cobbler

11-08-2009, 08:16 PM

:lmao

You seriously just said Dave DeBusschere (career average of 16 PPG) is better than Dirk?

You are too young to know. He made his name with defense. He is listed on a lot of top 10 PF lists. Here are a few comments.

Nicknamed “Big D” for defense, DeBusschere was a hard-nosed, tenacious forward – one of the game’s all-time best defenders. He was named to the NBA All-Defensive First Team in each of the award’s first six years of existence. DeBusschere was average in size at 6’6” and 225 lbs., but he possessed a work ethic that was second to none. During his 12-year NBA career he represented the epitome of the blue-collar basketball star

Debusschere was one of the first great power forwards in the NBA. He had career averages of 16.1 points, 11 rebounds, and three assists. He also shot 43.2 percent from the field and 69.9 percent from the free-throw line. He was selected to eight All Star teams in his 12-year career.

He was also selected to one All-NBA team as a member of the second team. However, he was one of his era's best defensive players, as he was selected to six All-NBA Defensive teams, with all of the selections on the first team. Finally, he helped the Knicks win two championships in the 1970s.

BRHornet45

11-08-2009, 08:17 PM

son so explain Dirk's 25.5/11 in the postseason. Surely that's inflated somehow.

:lol

son yet none of that matter because he is a proven choke artist in the playoffs ... now I will say that Dirk is EASILY in the top 10 greatest NBA choke artist of all time. EASILY in the top 10, maybe even top 5.

Greg Oden

11-08-2009, 08:17 PM

I think BR121-63 and cobbler are putting on some sort of performance art for our benefit. The funniest was Bosh > Dirk.

Sons I might go with Elton Brand as the best one on that list for our entertainment purposes.

cobbler

11-08-2009, 08:17 PM

Don't worry, you still have as many rings as Cobbler and Culburn do.

Yet he has contributed to 0 where I have contributed to 10

dirk4mvp

11-08-2009, 08:19 PM

son yet none of that matter because he is a proven choke artist in the playoffs ... now I will say that Dirk is EASILY in the top 10 greatest NBA choke artist of all time. EASILY in the top 10, maybe even top 5.

Posting without any basis? Who would've guessed sons.

BRHornet45

11-08-2009, 08:20 PM

Lakers and 121-63 fans are hilarious.

no son we are just being realistic ... its funny on this message board how its ALWAYS only the Mavericks fans who will NEVER admit anything wrong with their team. you guys are always full of BULLSHIT excuses and just downright ignorant mindsets about your team.

Fans of other teams like the Spurs, Lakers, Suns, Hornets, etc. are always criticizing and being realistic about their teams (for the most part). son why is it always the sissy Maverick fans who are blinded to reality by their homerism?

dirk4mvp

11-08-2009, 08:21 PM

no son we are just being realistic ... its funny on this message board how its ALWAYS only the Mavericks fans who will NEVER admit anything wrong with their team. you guys are always full of BULLSHIT excuses and just downright ignorant mindsets about your team.

Fans of other teams like the Spurs, Lakers, Suns, Hornets, etc. are always criticizing and being realistic about their teams (for the most part). son why is it always the sissy Maverick fans who are blinded to reality by their homerism?

You're aware that a Hornet fan on this board said Chris Paul will be better than Magic right?

BRHornet45

11-08-2009, 08:23 PM

You're aware that a Hornet fan on this board said Chris Paul will be better than Magic right?

son if Paul stays healthy he will be one of the greatest, if not the greatest PG to ever play ... he will easily be in the top 2-3 for sure. son 10 years from now unlike Dirk, we won't have to twist Paul's stats around, round up his stats to make them look better, etc. to prove that.

dirk4mvp

11-08-2009, 08:25 PM

son if Paul stays healthy he will be one of the greatest, if not the greatest PG to ever play ... he will easily be in the top 2-3 for sure. son 10 years from now unlike Dirk, we won't have to twist Paul's stats around, round up his stats to make them look better, etc. to prove that.

Putting up inflated stats on a bad team doesn't put you in the top 2-3.

cobbler

11-08-2009, 08:25 PM

The bolded guys aren't as good as Dirk.

You cant be serious about the Big "E".

Elvin Hayes (1968-1984)

Elvin Hayes won the National College Player of the Year award in 1968, and didn’t miss a beat after being drafted into the NBA. For his first three years in the league, Hayes averaged over 28 points and 16 rebounds per game, a devastating three-year period of dominance. In fact, to this day Hayes is still the last rookie to lead the NBA in scoring.

For his career, Hayes averaged 21.0 points and 12.5 rebounds, numbers that are deflated because he played into the twilight of his career, over the final two years of his career hardly resembling the player he once was.

During his 16-year professional career, Hayes made 12 All-Star teams, six All-NBA teams, won the NBA Rookie of the Year, and took the Bullets to three NBA Finals, winning one of them.

Findog

11-08-2009, 08:26 PM

LOL son at you highlighting like 6-7 of those players! ... it truly is hilarious, but so damn pathetic at the same time how much your own homerism has blinded you to reality. honest question though son and seriously answer it honestly ... is the fact that Dirk is white have anything to do with why you hug his nuts and hype him up so much? I have said it over and over, yes Dirk is a damn good player, but my God lol ... one of the best ever? LMAO

Look ... I understand we can argue over maybe 1 or 2 of those guys I listed, but you are truly a complete moron if you think Dirk is better than all of those guys you highlighted. are you fucking serious??? Bosh is a toss up right now, but I am willing to guarantee you that 5 years down the road when Bosh has as many years under his belt as Dirk that his numbers will blow Dirk's out the water.

Bosh is everything that Dirk is accused of being - a soft jumpshooter that has never won anything. Dirk's skin color has nothing to do with it. He came within an inch of a championship with his two best sidekicks being Jason Terry and Josh Howard. Between the two of them they have one All Star injury replacement selection between them. Could KG do that? No. Could Bosh do that? No. Could Gasol do that? No.

KG won a title with Paul Pierce and Ray Allen. Pierce is a 1.5 and Allen is definitely a 2. Dirk would have won a 'chip with those guys too. Gasol got his teeth kicked in by Dirk when they met in the playoffs in 2006. He had a 50-win Grizzly team around him and he couldn't win a single fucking game against the Mavs. Trade them straight up for each other and the Mavs still win that series, but they don't sweep the Grizzlies.

Dirk's legacy has been tarnished by Miami and Golden State, but his performance in those series is not as bad as remembered. He put up 29/15 in Game 6 when the Mavs were eliminated by Miami. In Game 5, he matched Wade play for play down the stretch, hitting tough shots from the floor while Wade got bailed out by the refs. I give Miami credit for winning that series and it's definitely true that the Mavs had the title within their grasp and gave it away, but I will not accept anybody who says Dirk played poorly in that series.

Against Golden State, he sucked, no question about it. He put up 19/10 on 38% shooting after going for 25/9 on 50% shooting in the regular season. He was hurt, but Avery Johnson didn't believe in making excuses, so nothing much was ever said about it. If Dirk was black, he wouldn't have the soft Euro tag applied to him. You're not soft if you come back after 10 days on a high ankle sprain to carry your team into the playoffs, an injury that normally takes 6 weeks to heal.

I hope Dirk wins a title someday but I'm not holding my breath. I think it's unfortunate that Miami/Golden State has tarnished his legacy to the point that people think Chris Fucking Bosh and Pau Gasol are better. He deserved the hit to his reputation for losing to an 8 seed, but c'mon. He's put up 25/11 for his career in the playoffs, and it's not like the playoffs are a rare thing for the Mavs - Dirk has over a full season's worth of playoff games under his belt. He's won 8 series as a #1 guy - the list of his contemporaries who have done better is pretty small. He lost two-time MVP Steve Nash and the Mavs got better. How do you explain that? Paul Pierce is a perimeter-oriented player like Dirk - do you think the Celtics win it all in 2008 with Erick Dampier at C and Josh Howard at the 2-guard?

sonic21

11-08-2009, 08:27 PM

and defering to a role player in the 4th of an elimination game doesn't put you in the top 10

Findog

11-08-2009, 08:27 PM

and defering to a role player in the 4th of a PO game doesn't put you in the top 10

Paul is a great player but he is highly overrated.

BRHornet45

11-08-2009, 08:28 PM

Putting up inflated stats on a bad team doesn't put you in the top 2-3.

oh yea son thanks for proving my point of how great Paul is ... the fact that he is putting up 21+ points and 11+ assist per game over the last two years on a team full of bullshit jump shooters is even more proof. Put Paul on the Lakers or Celtics and he would easily be putting up 20+ points and 13+ assist per game.

DUNCANownsKOBE2

11-08-2009, 08:28 PM

You are too young to know. He made his name with defense. He is listed on a lot of top 10 PF lists. Here are a few comments.

Nicknamed “Big D” for defense, DeBusschere was a hard-nosed, tenacious forward – one of the game’s all-time best defenders. He was named to the NBA All-Defensive First Team in each of the award’s first six years of existence. DeBusschere was average in size at 6’6” and 225 lbs., but he possessed a work ethic that was second to none. During his 12-year NBA career he represented the epitome of the blue-collar basketball star

Debusschere was one of the first great power forwards in the NBA. He had career averages of 16.1 points, 11 rebounds, and three assists. He also shot 43.2 percent from the field and 69.9 percent from the free-throw line. He was selected to eight All Star teams in his 12-year career.

He was also selected to one All-NBA team as a member of the second team. However, he was one of his era's best defensive players, as he was selected to six All-NBA Defensive teams, with all of the selections on the first team. Finally, he helped the Knicks win two championships in the 1970s.

Dirk vs. him in a 1 on 1, and Dirk takes a piping hot shit on his head.

Greg Oden

11-08-2009, 08:29 PM

lol at Findog thinking a high school dropout is about to read all that.

BRHornet45

11-08-2009, 08:32 PM

Paul is a great player but he is highly overrated.

the blind homerism at its full effect ... I get it findog! I said your great white hype isn't one of the best of all time, so now you're going to say our CP3 who only has 4 years under his belt isn't either! lol ... talk to me again 10 years from now whenever Paul has career numbers of 20+ and 11+ per game with a shooting percentage over 50%.

BRHornet45

11-08-2009, 08:33 PM

Dirk vs. him in a 1 on 1, and Dirk takes a piping hot shit on his head.

son it would all depend on how many free throws Dirk could flop his way to. hopefully the ref buys his great white hype and gives him every call or he is in trouble!!!

Greg Oden

11-08-2009, 08:33 PM

BRHornet45

11-08-2009, 08:35 PM

Do you plan on being a Seattle Supersonics fan then?

son I'm sorry ... you're a PORTLAND fan right? .... hows that NFL team doing? oh wait ... my bad.

Greg Oden

11-08-2009, 08:37 PM

son I'm sorry ... you're a PORTLAND fan right? .... hows that NFL team doing? oh wait ... my bad.

Portland > New Orleans

BRHornet45

11-08-2009, 08:41 PM

Portland > New Orleans

son I'm glad you feel that way.

BRHornet45

11-08-2009, 08:41 PM

Dirks legacy will be defined by choking in the finals and to a pathetic Warriors team. Accept it.

co-signed

sonic21

11-08-2009, 08:47 PM

Dirks legacy (for espn, sportcenter and clueless nba fans) will be defined by choking in the finals and to a pathetic Warriors team. Accept it.

fify

Culburn369

11-08-2009, 08:53 PM

It's been all worth just to hear Bob Neal exclaim: "Actung, baby, actung!"

sonic21

11-08-2009, 09:00 PM

You don't have to fix shit for me, pea brain. You take away Dirks meaningless points, and all you have is probably the two biggest choke jobs of any team in all of sports. Whats worse is he had the best team in both of those series. He plays NO defense, he's average in boards, and soft.

talking like a true sportcenter viewer :toast

sonic21

11-08-2009, 09:04 PM

Findog

11-08-2009, 09:08 PM

People tend to also forget that Dirk's Mav team failed to outscore Kobe over three quarters.

Kobe 62
Dirks Mavs 61 > 121-63

How is this humanly possible when the Lakers missed the playoffs that year, that's how bad they sucked. Dirk has some landmarks on his resume for sure.

The Lakers made the playoffs that season. They lost to the Suns in 7 games after blowing a 3-1 lead. It's hard to debate somebody who doesn't have full command or grasp of basic facts.

BRHornet45

11-08-2009, 09:08 PM

Findog

11-08-2009, 09:09 PM

When avery was the coach Dirk was a decent defender, and he averages more than 10 rebounds in the PO

Dirk is not Bill Russell, but to say he plays NO defense is a gross exaggeration. Anybody who makes that claim hasn't seen him play since 2003.

Findog

11-08-2009, 09:10 PM

Dirk's legacy will be the best foreign-born player of all-time.* Gary Payton and Shawn Kemp's legacy isn't losing to the Nuggets.

* Hakeem is a U.S. citizen and played for Dream Team II

Findog

11-08-2009, 09:12 PM

the blind homerism at its full effect ... I get it findog! I said your great white hype isn't one of the best of all time, so now you're going to say our CP3 who only has 4 years under his belt isn't either! lol ... talk to me again 10 years from now whenever Paul has career numbers of 20+ and 11+ per game with a shooting percentage over 50%.

That's my 2009 opinion of Chris Paul. I just get a little tired of the comparisons to Isaiah when he hasn't won shit and it's not at all clear he's better than Deron Williams. I'm also pretty sure that Zeke wouldn't have let Chauncey Billups drop a 121-63 Hot Carl on him in a first-round series. Zeke was a much more complete player on both sides of the court. The only place Paul matches him is in competitive zeal.

redzero

11-08-2009, 09:28 PM

That's my 2009 opinion of Chris Paul. I just get a little tired of the comparisons to Isaiah when he hasn't won shit and it's not at all clear he's better than Deron Williams. I'm also pretty sure that Zeke wouldn't have let Chauncey Billups drop a 121-63 Hot Carl on him in a first-round series. Zeke was a much more complete player on both sides of the court. The only place Paul matches him is in competitive zeal.

I hate when people say that it is a toss up between Paul and Williams, when Paul does everything better than Williams. If you want the clearly inferior player, you should take Williams.

mavs>spurs2

11-08-2009, 09:38 PM

Everyone in this thread who isn't a mav fan is a fucking idiot

mavs>spurs2

11-08-2009, 09:43 PM

I hate when people say that it is a toss up between Paul and Williams, when Paul does everything better than Williams. If you want the clearly inferior player, you should take Williams.

Paul > Williams and only one of the aforementioned dumbasses would say otherwise. Paul knows how to run a team and get results even with pieces of shit as the main cogs of his team

Findog

11-08-2009, 09:45 PM

I hate when people say that it is a toss up between Paul and Williams, when Paul does everything better than Williams. If you want the clearly inferior player, you should take Williams.

He owns Paul head to head, and he's shackled in a highly-structured offense in Utah. You can certainly argue Paul is better, but the margin wouldn't be much.

BRHornet45

11-08-2009, 09:46 PM

He owns Paul head to head, and he's shackled in a highly-structured offense in Utah. You can certainly argue Paul is better, but the margin wouldn't be much.

son individually he hasn't owned shit. their stats are neck and neck ... his TEAM has owned the Hornets. son the Hornets have always struggled with the Jazz.

mavs>spurs2

11-08-2009, 09:47 PM

He owns Paul head to head, and he's shackled in a highly-structured offense in Utah. You can certainly argue Paul is better, but the margin wouldn't be much.

totally disagreed. paul's ability to make his teammates better hasn't been factored in. the only thing williams has on him in any aspect of basketball is size

redzero

11-08-2009, 10:00 PM

I hate when people use head-to-head matchups as an argument. That's so stupid.

Findog

11-08-2009, 10:06 PM

I hate when people use head-to-head matchups as an argument. That's so stupid.

Why is it stupid? It's not like the Jazz are the 86 Celtics and the Hornets are the 72 Sixers.

badfish22

11-08-2009, 10:08 PM

Alright Im done raping Laker fans. BR can continue raping himself if he wants i dont care.

Well I see you have BR.

God you stupid piece of Louisiana white trash.

redzero

11-08-2009, 10:09 PM

Why is it stupid? It's not like the Jazz are the 86 Celtics and the Hornets are the 72 Sixers.

It's stupid because there are 78-79 other games in the season--games in which Paul outperforms Williams. Head-to-head is not an argument.

Ghazi

11-08-2009, 10:10 PM

If you're the best at your position aren't you like... expected to be the best at your position in any given playoff series? dude got facefucked like a whore by Chauncy in the infamous "121-63" series.

BRHornet45

11-08-2009, 10:12 PM

lol ghazi's racism is crystal clear ... its really sad.

Findog

11-08-2009, 10:15 PM

It's stupid because there are 78-79 other games in the season--games in which Paul outperforms Williams. Head-to-head is not an argument.

You assume that Williams would make the Hornets worse and Paul would make the Jazz better, then? When one plays in a highly-structured offense where the coach keeps him somewhat on a leash and the other is the most important power center on his team, more powerful than the head coach, and has carte blanche to do whatever he wants? I could be persuaded that CP3 is better than Deron, but the difference is negligible.

redzero

11-08-2009, 10:21 PM

You assume that Williams would make the Hornets worse and Paul would make the Jazz better, then? When one plays in a highly-structured offense where the coach keeps him somewhat on a leash and the other is the most important power center on his team, more powerful than the head coach, and has carte blanche to do whatever he wants? I could be persuaded that CP3 is better than Deron, but the difference is negligible.

Ah, you're just using that "Paul just dominates the ball more" excuse.

Findog

11-08-2009, 10:40 PM

Ah, you're just using that "Paul just dominates the ball more" excuse.

What have the Hornets ever won, besides a series over a Dallas team that was in disarray and had quit on its coach? Williams took his team to the conference finals and didn't defer to Kyle Korver in the 4th Quarter of a Game 7.

redzero

11-08-2009, 10:44 PM

What have the Hornets ever won, besides a series over a Dallas team that was in disarray and had quit on its coach? Williams took his team to the conference finals and didn't defer to Kyle Korver in the 4th Quarter of a Game 7.

The Jazz had to face the Rockets and the Warriors. Big fucking whoop.

Are you actually going to give a reason why this comparison is valid? Whenever I have this discussion on this board, people never actually talk about the player's individual skills.

BRHornet45

11-08-2009, 10:48 PM

What have the Hornets ever won, besides a series over a Dallas team that was in disarray and had quit on its coach? Williams took his team to the conference finals and didn't defer to Kyle Korver in the 4th Quarter of a Game 7.

son that is EXACTLY what I'm talking about with you Maverick fans. EXCUSES! ... you just basically discredited the Hornets beat down of your Mavericks by saying that "they were in disarray and quit on their coach" ....

son why is it only okay for MAVERICKS fans to use excuses? you guys are so obsessed with the Nuggets beat down on us in a game that didn't even decide the series, but whenever we mention the facts that Paul, West, Chandler, and Posey were all playing hurt it doesn't matter. its ONLY whenever the Mavericks have a bad game or choke is when the excuses count!!!

Findog

11-08-2009, 10:50 PM

son that is EXACTLY what I'm talking about with you Maverick fans. EXCUSES! ... you just basically discredited the Hornets beat down of your Mavericks by saying that "they were in disarray and quit on their coach" ....

Are you illiterate? Making excuses is when you fail to give credit to the team that won the series. The 2008 Hornets were better than the 2008 Mavericks and proved it in the playoffs. What I'm saying is that beating a team that was in disarray and had quit on its coach is not that impressive in the grand scheme of things, and that's all Chris Paul has ever done beyond April 20th.

Findog

11-08-2009, 10:52 PM

The Jazz had to face the Rockets and the Warriors. Big fucking whoop.

The 2007 Jazz were much better than the 2008 Mavericks.

Are you actually going to give a reason why this comparison is valid? Whenever I have this discussion on this board, people never actually talk about the player's individual skills

:lol First you want to discount Deron's mastery of Paul head to head by saying it's not a valid comparison, and then when I point out Williams has done more with about the same level of talent, you want to fall back on "individual skills." Pick a lane, please.

Culburn369

11-08-2009, 10:55 PM

Paul is like Mozart: he's passionate, but, he does not persuade.

BRHornet45

11-08-2009, 10:56 PM

Are you illiterate? Making excuses is when you fail to give credit to the team that won the series. The 2007 Hornets were better than the 2007 Mavericks and proved it in the playoffs. What I'm saying is that beating a team that was in disarray and had quit on its coach is not that impressive in the grand scheme of things, and that's all Chris Paul has ever done beyond April 20th.

that's not what you meant and you know it ... you were trying to take away from the Hornets beating the Mavericks by blaming it on the excuse that "they were in disarray and quit on their coach!" ... son how is that ANY different than me coming in here and blaming our Nuggets beat down on injuries??? its not ... the difference is that most of you Mavs fans will always have BULLSHIT, lame, and ignorant excuses whenever your team loses.

when other teams lose and their fans make excuses, they are phony

when the Mavericks lose and choke as usual and you guys make excuses, they are all 100% legit!!!

redzero

11-08-2009, 10:56 PM

When are you actually going to compare the players?

Findog

11-08-2009, 11:00 PM

that's not what you meant and you know it ..

I just said the 08 Hornets were better than the 08 Mavericks. If you want to hold that up as some sort of crowning achievement, sorry...because that Mavs team was the worst of the Dirk era.

you were trying to take away from the Hornets beating the Mavericks by blaming it on the excuse that "they were in disarray and quit on their coach!" ...

I give full credit to the Hornets for winning that series. Unlike you, I understand that it doesn't prove jack-shit about Paul's "greatness."

son how is that ANY different than me coming in here and blaming our Nuggets beat down on injuries???

:lmao Do you understand anything at all about playoff basketball? You think the Nuggets weren't "banged up" and "tired" after 82 games? Nobody is 100% in May. Losing by 58 at home is a quit job, pure and simple.

BRHornet45

11-08-2009, 11:01 PM

I just said the 08 Hornets were better than the 08 Mavericks. If you want to hold that up as some sort of crowning achievement, sorry...because that Mavs team was the worst of the Dirk era.

I give full credit to the Hornets for winning that series. Unlike you, I understand that it doesn't prove jack-shit about Paul's "greatness."

:lmao Do you understand anything at all about playoff basketball? You think the Nuggets weren't "banged up" and "tired" after 82 games? Nobody is 100% in May. Losing by 58 at home is a quit job, pure and simple.

son for 15,000 post you sure are one dumbfuck ... it blows my mind just how damn ignorant some of you are.

Findog

11-08-2009, 11:03 PM

son for 15,000 post you sure are one dumbfuck ... it blows my mind just how damn ignorant some of you are.

Great rebuttal. Concise, cogent counterpoints.

Findog

11-08-2009, 11:04 PM

Can anybody explain to me how Paul gets propped up to Isiah's level when Chauncey Billups dropped a Hot Carl on him? Nobody ever dropped a Hot Carl on Isiah.

Findog

11-08-2009, 11:05 PM

Look, to be quite honest, Paul is a top 10 player and no worse than 2nd-best PG in the league. But I wouldn't go any further than that. Let's hold off on "historically great" until he does something besides beat the 2008 Mavs in the playoffs.