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duncan228
11-10-2009, 02:38 PM
The Awful Stigma Of The Scoring Title (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=tsn-theawfulstigmaofthes&prov=tsn&type=lgns)
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As of right now, Kobe Bryant leads the league in points per game. Carmelo Anthony is second. Then, in descending order, Kevin Martin, Chris Bosh, and Dwyane Wade.

All five are in the run for the scoring title. And really, none of them need or should want this distinction. Kobe has fought a career-long battle against the "selfish" label; his career high for scoring came in 2005-06, with a 34.9 average that made his exploits the talk of the league. However, he finished a distant second in the MVP race, and would only capture that award two seasons later, when his offense decreased—or, in the moralistic language of sports, he sublimated himself for the good of the team.

Melo's been discussed for years as a potential scoring champ, but only as a backhanded compliment. Given the player Anthony's become, though, and the Nuggets' increased relevance out West, a scoring title almost seems like a diversion from Melo or Denver gaining the legitimacy they crave.

Kevin Martin's largely unknown, but the last thing he needs is to be saddled with the "great scorer on lousy team" tag; Chris Bosh is in a contract year, which never looks good. Dwyane Wade is unimpeachable, to be sure, and yet you don't see LeBron having to make an appearance on this list.

Time and time again, though, the same point comes out: If the scoring title brings many negative connotations, and may even work against the momentum for other awards like MVP, why even bother awarding it?

Certainly, that's not true for all statistical accomplishments. Leading the league in blocks and rebounds does a lot to land a player atop the Defensive Player of the Year favorites. Assists are pure gold, even if they're handed out way too liberally. And at the same time, the statistical revolution is supposed to make it easier than ever to distinguish between "good" and "bad" statistics, such that a mercenary scorer could be separated from a valiant warrior of offense. Still, the scoring title remains that most double-edged of swords, a high-profile honor that, nevertheless, will be read by many as a slap against that player's reputation.

Good scorers are expected to be, completely subjectively, more tasteful and well-rounded than to drop 30 a game, even if the eventual MVP ends up with 27ppg. "Scoring champ" is a stigma that could affect a player's reputation for seasons to come. Kobe, who won two scoring titles and then seemingly moved past that kind of achievement before getting his first MVP, is one strong piece of evidence for this theory. Another comes in the form of LeBron, who only won the MVP this past season, when he ceded the scoring crown to Dwyane Wade—despite having arguably had the better all-around season in 2007-08.

Allen Iverson did get an MVP trophy for his miraculous 2000-01 run, and yet the four total titles to his name (which in no way correlate with team success) are more badge of shame, proof of inadequacy, than the kind of resume held by fellow Hall of Famers who also have championship rings. Tracy McGrady, another brilliant scorer from the post-Jordan era, won two scoring titles, only to see a precipitous decline in his stock the following season.

Granted, scoring is the most empty of numbers, as someone has to get the points. It's also, historically, been the stat most pursued by egotistical players. Yet is a scoring title such an embarrassment that it represents a negative career move, or a detour away from the conversation about "league's best"? Certainly, non-scoring players have won MVPs, and there have been high-scoring players throughout history (George Gervin, for instance) who didn't warrant MVP consideration. Yet we've gotten so puritanical in our debasement of scoring, so intent on diminishing the league's top scorer unless he's also putting up huge numbers elsewhere, that anyone short of LeBron would be advised to avoid the scoring title.

Someone heard somewhere that stats could be misleading, and thus, a certain kind of player could be marked for scorn by what, on numbers alone, should be an honor. You'd like to think that cooler heads could prevail, that scoring could once again be restored to its rightful place as a highly meaningful part of basketball.

But as long as we linger in the dark ages of "scoring = selfish and bad," at least when its done at a high volume, players would do well to do the opposite of padding their stats if they ever want to be taken seriously as franchise guys.

TheMACHINE
11-10-2009, 03:37 PM
yah these guys should stop scoring...maybe average 10 points a game and watch thier team lose to make the writer happy.

lefty
11-10-2009, 03:39 PM
I agree.

I think Kobe and Pau should limit themselves to 10 ppg when they play the Spurs.

It could help us.

LnGrrrR
11-10-2009, 05:25 PM
Eh, I think the article is somewhat a strogman. It's the question of "w
Why should we vote a scorer only as an MVP, when others can not only scorebut rebound, pass and play strong defense?"

mystargtr34
11-10-2009, 08:47 PM
If you can score 30 points a game and do it efficiently, with a good % and getting to the FT line - then why defer to your team mates who are not as efficient?

The problem is when you start doing it at 45% and under without any assists. If you have to take over 25 shots to do it, then your probably better off deferring. But it depends on the type of team you have aswell.

exstatic
11-10-2009, 11:16 PM
If you can score 30 points a game and do it efficiently, with a good % and getting to the FT line - then why defer to your team mates who are not as efficient?

The problem is when you start doing it at 45% and under without any assists. If you have to take over 25 shots to do it, then your probably better off deferring. But it depends on the type of team you have aswell.

:lmao If the NBA followed your paradigm, AI wouldn't have had a career.

mystargtr34
11-10-2009, 11:58 PM
:lmao If the NBA followed your paradigm, AI wouldn't have had a career.

:lmao ????


If you can score 30 points a game and do it efficiently, with a good % and getting to the FT line - then why defer to your team mates who are not as efficient?

The problem is when you start doing it at 45% and under without any assists. If you have to take over 25 shots to do it, then your probably better off deferring. But it depends on the type of team you have aswell.

Iverson was a good scorer, but never a great one like people made him out to be. He put a lot of pressure on opposition defenses by getting to the FT line and getting players in foul trouble, and he created for others (although his high assists numbers were due to him handling/creating on every possession. So, he has two out of three of my pre-requisites.

But, even with all of that, he should never have been taking 25 shots per game, his effciency would have been more suited to 18-20 attempts per game and around 25 PPG. Take a look at the Sixers offensive efficiency numbers since he came into the league...

96-97 - 21st
97-98 - 21st
98-99 - 23rd
99-00 -25th
00-01 -13th
01-02 - 23rd
02-03 - 11th
03-04 - 26th
04-05 - 24th
05-06 - 15th

Larry Brown was a big factor in getting the Sixers to the Finals in 2001, the team was a Top 5 defensive team because of him, but its no coincidence that it was also the year the team made a big jump in offensive efficiency... 25th to 13th, that they made the Finals.

For being talked about as one of the greatest offensive players in history, it didnt really translate to team efficiency.

Kai
11-11-2009, 01:43 AM
The arguments against KMart, Wade and Bosh are weak.

Chieflion
11-11-2009, 02:14 AM
:lmao ????



Iverson was a good scorer, but never a great one like people made him out to be. He put a lot of pressure on opposition defenses by getting to the FT line and getting players in foul trouble, and he created for others (although his high assists numbers were due to him handling/creating on every possession. So, he has two out of three of my pre-requisites.

But, even with all of that, he should never have been taking 25 shots per game, his effciency would have been more suited to 18-20 attempts per game and around 25 PPG. Take a look at the Sixers offensive efficiency numbers since he came into the league...

96-97 - 21st
97-98 - 21st
98-99 - 23rd
99-00 -25th
00-01 -13th
01-02 - 23rd
02-03 - 11th
03-04 - 26th
04-05 - 24th
05-06 - 15th

Larry Brown was a big factor in getting the Sixers to the Finals in 2001, the team was a Top 5 defensive team because of him, but its no coincidence that it was also the year the team made a big jump in offensive efficiency... 25th to 13th, that they made the Finals.

For being talked about as one of the greatest offensive players in history, it didnt really translate to team efficiency.
If only Allen Iverson had shooters around him in 2001 in addition those defenders, things may have changed.

SenorSpur
11-11-2009, 04:41 AM
Iverson may have scored a lot of points, but looking at the volume of shots he puts up and his shooting percentage, and it aint that great.

Chieflion
11-11-2009, 05:17 AM
The arguments against KMart, Wade and Bosh are weak.
The argument against Kevin Martin is strong. Tyreke Evans led the Kings back to a .500 record without Kevin Martin. Granted they beat some shitty teams but the Kings are thought to be the worst team in the NBA. Selfish or not, it is noted he mostly has poor assist nights.