Swagramento is 3-0 without Kevin Martin [Archive]

KidCongo

11-11-2009, 07:01 AM

Martin has been so fragile last two years. Evans was a good pick but will he become a PG or stay as an combo guard playing at SG.

urunobili

11-11-2009, 08:31 AM

it's all Noce...

mystargtr34

11-11-2009, 08:44 AM

spursfan1000

11-11-2009, 08:51 AM

I think they should trade Kevin Martin to the Warriors for Steven Jackson...Kevin Martin has no defense and gets hurt alot.

Findog

11-11-2009, 09:04 AM

Ewing Theory

carrao45

11-11-2009, 09:29 AM

Martin has been so fragile last two years. Evans was a good pick but will he become a PG or stay as an combo guard playing at SG.

So he'll either change...or stay the same...brilliant analysis.

Chieflion

11-11-2009, 09:34 AM

I think they should trade Kevin Martin to the Warriors for Steven Jackson...Kevin Martin has no defense and gets hurt alot.
The Kings will not trade a 26 year old Kevin Martin for a 31 year old S-Jax. Getting hurt a lot comes with Martin's playing style. Kevin Martin's defense comes and goes. You don't know what you can get from him. I think he can be a perfect 2nd option or even a great sixth man off a contender's bench, like what Ginobili is doing.

Hornets1

11-11-2009, 11:25 AM

Martin is a solid player, but doesn't do much more than score. He does take way to many shots. T. Evans and J. Thompson are both future all-stars

leroyjenkins

11-11-2009, 11:25 AM

What the hell were they thinking starting Sean May at C and Desmond Mason at SF in the first place anyway?

Much more balance to the team now... inserting Noce and Hawes gives Evans room to get to the paint and draw the defense or use his athleticism to finish.

I think the whole sean may starting was because hawes and westphal bumped heads during the offseason, so he made hawes earn back his starting position. also i like that they have been playing donte green over mason

Findog

11-11-2009, 11:41 AM

Westphal coach of the year

loveforthegame

11-11-2009, 11:47 AM

The Kings are playing really well as a team right now. Hustling, rebounding, and playing surprisingly good defense in spurts.

Thompson, Evans, and Nocioni are leading the way with nice contributions from Hawes, Udrih, and Udoka.

Still a lot of basketball to play but you can't mock there effort at the moment.

mingus

11-11-2009, 11:49 AM

they've actually got some nice pieces in place with Casspi, Thompson, Evans and Hawes. like with pretty much every bad team though they need a post player that can score.

TJastal

11-11-2009, 12:12 PM

they've actually got some nice pieces in place with Casspi, Thompson, Evans and Hawes. like with pretty much every bad team though they need a post player that can score.

Hawes and Thompson both have moves in the post from games I've seen. Neither is a dominant force but they both have a few moves.

TheMACHINE

11-11-2009, 12:20 PM

Martin for Farmar. Do it Mitch!

Allanon

11-11-2009, 12:27 PM

Tyreke Evans, ROY. He'll be better than Derrick Rose.

John Thompson, possible All Star. Spencer Hawes, solid big man. Noce, good vet. Casspi a great draft pickup at #23.

The rest; whatever.

Xylus

11-11-2009, 12:31 PM

Just like the Rockets, a team with a bunch of non-stars getting it done. Although, give it a year or two and Evans should be in the conversation for best PG's in the league.

urunobili

11-11-2009, 12:33 PM

Evans > Chris Fall

Allanon

11-11-2009, 12:37 PM

Tyreke has his team in the #8 spot in the West right now, btw.

This Tyreke dude is a natural born leader...something that Mini Mart isn't.

Fillmoe

11-11-2009, 12:39 PM

8th place we're back!

loveforthegame

11-11-2009, 01:22 PM

Caspi is having a nice start and it looks like Donte Green is finally getting it. Those 2 alone should push Mason to the end of the bench.

It'll be interesting to see where they're at 2 months from now.

RedsLakers24

11-11-2009, 01:52 PM

Martin for Morrison and Sasha... Do It Mitch

5in10

11-11-2009, 02:04 PM

Now just trade kevin martin for rubio or some other point, and move tyreke to shooting guard.

Chieflion

11-11-2009, 06:40 PM

Now just trade kevin martin for rubio or some other point, and move tyreke to shooting guard.
I actually think that is good for both the Wolves and the Kings. Wolves become contenders with Kevin Martin and Al Jefferson. You just need Corey Brewer or some other guy for them to become an excellent perimeter defender and they are ready to go. For the Kings, they get the marketable Rubio, a playmaker in Westphal's offense. Rubio shows he can hustle and Evans moves back to his natural position at the 2 to play and trade Jason Thompson if Derrick Favors is on the board for them in the lottery. All this can only work, however, if Rubio actually wants to join the NBA.

ploto

11-11-2009, 06:52 PM

You mean- Sacramento is 3-0 with Beno starting. :D

5in10

11-11-2009, 06:59 PM

trade jason thompson if derrick favors is on the board for them in the lottery. All this can only work, however, if rubio actually wants to join the nba.

+1

DUNCANownsKOBE2

11-11-2009, 07:49 PM

Wolves become contenders with Kevin Martin and Al Jefferson.

No, they don't.

DUNCANownsKOBE2

11-11-2009, 07:53 PM

And Ricky Rubio sucks. I'm befuddled as to why everyone acts like he's a surefire all star if he makes the NBA.

Chieflion

11-11-2009, 08:04 PM

No, they don't.
This deal would have to be done in the offseason with the Wolves getting another top 7 pick. They could very well be contenders and they also have cap space in 2010.

DUNCANownsKOBE2

11-11-2009, 08:05 PM

This deal would have to be done in the offseason with the Wolves getting another top 7 pick. They could very well be contenders and they also have cap space in 2010.

That's different than what you originally said.

Chieflion

11-11-2009, 08:08 PM

That's different than what you originally said.
Either way, no way the Kings trade Kevin Martin now. He is injured. Do you even think it is feasible? Rubio has not even been signed to a contract yet. It is either the Kings trade for Rubio's rights in the offseason after seeing that Evans can't play point guard or 2 years later when he officially signs with the Wolves.

DUNCANownsKOBE2

11-11-2009, 08:11 PM

Either way, no way the Kings trade Kevin Martin now. He is injured. Do you even think it is feasible? Rubio has not even been signed to a contract yet. It is either the Kings trade for Rubio's rights in the offseason after seeing that Evans can't play point guard or 2 years later when he officially signs with the Wolves.

The Kings could have had Rubio and didn't. They know he sucks.

HarlemHeat37

11-11-2009, 08:17 PM

Tyreke Evans, ROY. He'll be better than Derrick Rose.

John Thompson, possible All Star. Spencer Hawes, solid big man. Noce, good vet. Casspi a great draft pickup at #23.

The rest; whatever.

Isn't John Thompson a little too old to be playing pro basketball?..

Anyways, this won't last..Kings have a bunch of good role players, no star..they'll have to pick up a good lottery spot for next year's draft and hope to pick up a star..

Kevin Martin has been overrated for years, he's a 1-trick player, and his style of basketball hurts the game..

DAF86

11-11-2009, 08:21 PM

Kevin Martin's line against the Spurs: 29 pts, 0 rbds, 0 assts.

'Nuff said.

dirk4mvp

11-11-2009, 08:32 PM

Kevin Martin's line against the Spurs: 29 pts, 0 rbds, 0 assts.

'Nuff said.

True.

The guy is a really good shooter and that's about it.

DAF86

11-11-2009, 08:47 PM

However I think this streak has more to do with westphal finally getting his head out of his ass and starting his best players.

Fillmoe

11-13-2009, 01:48 PM

the kings gonna beat the rockets tonight!

Fillmoe

11-14-2009, 01:41 AM

5-4.. trade kevin martin!

Chieflion

11-14-2009, 01:48 AM

The Kings could have had Rubio and didn't. They know he sucks.
They just know Tyreke Evans is better and that does not even mean that Rubio sucks. Rubio's contract situation also prevented teams with less than enough patience to wait for his ass to get into the NBA.

Edit: Evans, Thompson and Udrih lead the Kings to a 5-4 record.

TDMVPDPOY

11-14-2009, 02:44 AM

beno with another 20pts game lmao

Texas_Ranger

11-14-2009, 02:52 AM

Beno!!!!!

Danny.Zhu

11-14-2009, 03:24 AM

I heard both Rockets and Kings fans are please with the idea of trading Tmac for KM.

RuffnReadyOzStyle

11-14-2009, 06:07 AM

Martin is a solid player, but doesn't do much more than score. He does take way to many shots. T. Evans and J. Thompson are both future all-stars

I agree. I followed Thompson last year and he's now really growing into his game. Evans was tentative when Martin was around, but now that he's the man he's showing just how good he is.

Regarding Martin, is it just me or does he come off as a sulky biatch half the time? I'd trade him to let Evans grow since Evans is a far more complete player (and I don't think Martin would take being a 2nd banana), although I'm not sure who I'd target for that trade.

As for Hawes, I'm not convinced. He shows flashes of excellence, but seems far too easily rattled and very much a confidence player.

RuffnReadyOzStyle

11-14-2009, 06:10 AM

I heard both Rockets and Kings fans are please with the idea of trading Tmac for KM.

Kings fans are crazy then.

McGrady is a ball-dominator, shoots a poor %, and would stiffle Evans' development, not to mention his age and injury history.

They should be able to get a very good player with less risk than T-Mac for Martin.