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boutons_deux
11-12-2009, 03:57 PM
a conspiracy in a decision to put "In God We Trust" on the edge -- rather than the face -- of new presidential dollar coins.

"She began her remarks with a puzzling commentary on the design of newly minted dollar coins," Politico wrote. "Noting that there had been a lot of “change” of late, Palin recalled a recent conversation with a friend about how the phrase “In God We Trust” had been moved to the edge of the new coins.

“Who calls a shot like that?” she inquired. “Who makes a decision like that?”

“It’s a disturbing trend,” she added.

Turns out, the decision was made by former Republican President George W. Bush, and approved in 2005.



http://rawstory.com/2009/11/fox-news-fact-checks-sarah-palins-dollar-conspiracy/

:lol

Now let's here from WC, Crooky, et al how pitbull bitch gets "treated badly" :lol

DMX7
11-12-2009, 04:02 PM
Palin... I don't even know what to say to you anymore. I'd insult you or make a joke at your expense, but it'd be like making fun of a special needs child. And I'm just not into that sort of thing.

hope4dopes
11-12-2009, 04:04 PM
Yeah I know what you mean, I feel that way about Obama.

spursncowboys
11-12-2009, 04:05 PM
This is ridiculous. If liberals really thought she would help them reelect BHO, then they wouldn't be talking so bad about her. The fact is they are scared of her. This also applies to libs talking about us having moderates, while being controlled by the most elitist, rich, socialist part of your party.

ChumpDumper
11-12-2009, 04:06 PM
So do you see a disturbing trend in Bush's minting practices?

spursncowboys
11-12-2009, 04:13 PM
So do you see a disturbing trend in Bush's minting practices?

¿Que?

ChumpDumper
11-12-2009, 04:15 PM
¿Que?It's a simple question.

Palin sees a disturbing trend in Bush's minting practices.

Do you also see a disturbing trend in Bush's minting practices?

spursncowboys
11-12-2009, 04:34 PM
All Bush did was approve the Republican led Congress's plan to put it on the side.

ChumpDumper
11-12-2009, 04:37 PM
All Bush did was approve the Republican led Congress's plan to put it on the side.Right.

Pallin thinks it is a disturbing trend.

Do you think it is a disturbing trend?

spursncowboys
11-12-2009, 04:37 PM
I guess getting something wrong is worse than outright lieing, then again when Libs get something wrong ( numbers for "created and saved") it barely makes the media.

ChumpDumper
11-12-2009, 04:38 PM
Do you agree with Palin that it is a disturbing trend?

DarkReign
11-12-2009, 04:41 PM
She kicked off her book tour in Grand Rapids, MI.

Interesting place to start, IMO.

Ignignokt
11-12-2009, 04:41 PM
Do you agree with Palin that it is a disturbing trend?

She needs to shut up and hit the books.

Maybe she can learn a new language, like Austrian.

ChumpDumper
11-12-2009, 04:41 PM
She needs to shut up and hit the books.

Maybe she can learn a new language, like Austrian.:lol

I'm thinking she got the coin thing from a chain email or Facebook.

Ignignokt
11-12-2009, 04:47 PM
:lol

I'm thinking she got the coin thing from a chain email or Facebook.

Sometimes i think she's a freeper.

Cry Havoc
11-12-2009, 05:32 PM
I think it's amazing how certain posters can be asked a question multiple times and still not answer said question. Don't break your leg getting away so quickly from that position you're trying to make a stand on.


I guess getting something wrong is worse than outright lieing, then again when Libs get something wrong ( numbers for "created and saved") it barely makes the media.

Do you agree with Palin that it's a disturbing trend?

DMX7
11-12-2009, 06:43 PM
Yeah I know what you mean, I feel that way about Obama.

Are you a Harvard Law grad or a community college one like Sarah Palin?

symple19
11-12-2009, 06:50 PM
I've never advocated a book burning before, but now that SPs book is coming out...

mookie2001
11-12-2009, 06:54 PM
every slope is slippery

-neocon oath

whottt
11-12-2009, 06:59 PM
Any girl that makes boutons come out in defense Bush has got my vote :tu


Plus she knows how many states there are.

EricB
11-12-2009, 07:05 PM
Any girl that makes boutons come out in defense Bush has got my vote :tu


Plus she knows how many states there are.

57?

Signed

POTUS

Cry Havoc
11-12-2009, 07:45 PM
Any girl that makes boutons come out in defense Bush has got my vote :tu


Plus she knows how many states there are.

:lol

Wow.

symple19
11-12-2009, 07:47 PM
This argument by conservatives that Palin "scares the left", and therefor is relevant, is getting tired and ridiculous. What about issues?

No moderate independents, such as myself, will ever vote for this vile creature. I'm so sick of the fringes of both parties controlling the conversation.

whottt
11-12-2009, 11:59 PM
i'd disturb her trend

At which point Rita would reverse your trend.

whottt
11-13-2009, 12:03 AM
BTW, I want to think you guys for the multitude of Palin threads. To tell you the truth I was start to get a little bit worried but lo and behold...here you guys hatin and fearin because she had the audacity to accept a VP nomination, which naturally makes her, and her children, a totally justified target for all the venom you can muster.


I actually agree with her on that...wtf is up with that? A true conservative would not needlessly change the phrase location on the coin....regardless of what it was. Did it actually improve the coin?

Uh, no. What then was the purpose of it?

ChumpDumper
11-13-2009, 12:37 AM
:lol

jacobdrj
11-13-2009, 02:19 AM
She kicked off her book tour in Grand Rapids, MI.

Interesting place to start, IMO.

Not really. Outside of Detroit/Metro Detroit, MI is a very very right wing state. Grand Rapids is the epitome of this, with the DeVoss family and a smaller automotive economy base.

jacobdrj
11-13-2009, 02:22 AM
BTW, I want to think you guys for the multitude of Palin threads. To tell you the truth I was start to get a little bit worried but lo and behold...here you guys hatin and fearin because she had the audacity to accept a VP nomination, which naturally makes her, and her children, a totally justified target for all the venom you can muster.


I actually agree with her on that...wtf is up with that? A true conservative would not needlessly change the phrase location on the coin....regardless of what it was. Did it actually improve the coin?

Uh, no. What then was the purpose of it?

Why have it on the coin to begin with? We are not in a Cold War against the 'Godless Communists' anymore. Kind of an inappropriate thing to have on currency.

sabar
11-13-2009, 04:41 AM
This argument by conservatives that Palin "scares the left", and therefor is relevant, is getting tired and ridiculous. What about issues?

No moderate independents, such as myself, will ever vote for this vile creature. I'm so sick of the fringes of both parties controlling the conversation.

I agree.

I lean left on social issues and right on government scope / economics and I frankly find both parties to be to my distaste. One stands for social conservatism/big government and the other for social liberalism/big government. Everyone loses and power consolidates to the federal gov't with each election cycle.

The fringe elements of the parties are just not attractive to sane and normal people. Palin is just not a likeable target for anyone outside the right. She is bashed just like Bush was; for perceived incompetence and stupidity. She does a poor job of proving anyone wrong. The GOP must look elsewhere.

boutons_deux
11-13-2009, 06:09 AM
"true conservative would not needlessly change the phrase location on the coin."

which true conservative principle dictates phrase location? :lol

"we got the most coins and will fight to conserve the status quo, so ain't nobody gonna touch our coins. It's us conservatives who transfer Other Peoples' Coins to us."

whottt
11-13-2009, 11:15 AM
which true conservative principle dictates phrase location? :lol



:lol it's in the very definition of the word.


conservative - disposed to preserve existing conditions, institutions, etc., or to restore traditional ones, and to limit change.



You'd think a guy that fantasizes of being cornholed by dudes named Pierre in France wouldn't need that explained to him.

Too bad you are too stupid realize what you are...unlike Sarah Palin who knows exactly what she is.


Hey boutons, did you know they actually outlaw words in France?

whottt
11-13-2009, 11:19 AM
I agree.

I lean left on social issues and right on government scope / economics and I frankly find both parties to be to my distaste. One stands for social conservatism/big government and the other for social liberalism/big government. Everyone loses and power consolidates to the federal gov't with each election cycle.

The fringe elements of the parties are just not attractive to sane and normal people. Palin is just not a likeable target for anyone outside the right. She is bashed just like Bush was; for perceived incompetence and stupidity. She does a poor job of proving anyone wrong. The GOP must look elsewhere.



You are obviously too out of touch to realize that Mrs. Palin has pretty much told the Republicans to go fuck themselves.

EmptyMan
11-13-2009, 11:28 AM
Are you a Harvard Law grad or a community college one like Sarah Palin?


That ivy league degree is really helping Obama.



What dumb fucking americans to think you need smarts to have common sense. Harvard league degree and homeboy still decided to rely on kindergarten politics. :lmao

smeagol
11-13-2009, 11:29 AM
Sarah Palin's a MILF

Kermit
11-13-2009, 11:29 AM
That ivy league degree is really helping Obama.



What dumb fucking americans to think you need smarts to have common sense.

Does she have either?

EmptyMan
11-13-2009, 11:32 AM
Does she have either?

I don't know her. Her dumbass daughter certainly does not.

She's making millions off this hate though, so I'd say she's not completely hopeless.

EmptyMan
11-13-2009, 11:34 AM
Seriously. Some of these americans struggled to pass high school, see obama with his Harvard degree, and think he is king shit.

King Shit is really helping you out isn't he? :lmao



Agenda cancels out smarts that could truly benefit the people.

Cane
11-13-2009, 11:34 AM
Palin and whoever supported her are nothing more than idiots.


i'd disturb her trend

Now thats disturbing.

whottt
11-13-2009, 11:39 AM
That ivy league degree is really helping Obama.



W's degrees from Yale and Harvard really impressed them as well.

boutons_deux
11-13-2009, 12:13 PM
"W's degrees from Yale and Harvard"

dubya was legacy/affirmative action baby, with fake degrees, and a business career to prove them fake.

Magic Negro's grades and elected by his peers to edit Harvard Law Review prove his authenticity.

elbamba
11-13-2009, 12:18 PM
I agree.

I lean left on social issues and right on government scope / economics and I frankly find both parties to be to my distaste. One stands for social conservatism/big government and the other for social liberalism/big government. Everyone loses and power consolidates to the federal gov't with each election cycle.

The fringe elements of the parties are just not attractive to sane and normal people. Palin is just not a likeable target for anyone outside the right. She is bashed just like Bush was; for perceived incompetence and stupidity. She does a poor job of proving anyone wrong. The GOP must look elsewhere.

I am curious when you say you lean left on social issues and right on government scope. Do you lean left on all social issues or just gay marriage and abortion? Are you in favor of universal health care which is a social issue? Are you in favor of affirmative action, revoking the death penalty, welfare, etc...? I am asking this in all seriousness because I have heard a lot of people who consider themselves conservatives to say what you said about their political beliefs.

whottt
11-13-2009, 12:21 PM
"W's degrees from Yale and Harvard"

dubya was legacy/affirmative action baby, with fake degrees, and a business career to prove them fake.

So basically, an Ivy doesn't necessarily mean shit, is that what you are attempting to say?





Magic Negro's grades and elected by his peers to edit Harvard Law Review prove his authenticity.

I see, what exactly were Magic Negroes grades? I wasn't aware he'd released them?


And btw, being elected by your peers evidentaly mean shit either, again I will point to Bush.


The only thing I've seen Obama display a talent for is spinning a yarn of shit 12 miles long...which means he is almost as good as the typical pan handler I run into at Walgreens, but not quite.

jack sommerset
11-13-2009, 12:23 PM
I'm sure alot of you in this forum would be ok if we put "In Allah we trust" on it.

ChumpDumper
11-13-2009, 12:26 PM
I'm sure alot of you in this forum would be ok if we put "In Allah we trust" on it.I would prefer all religious comments be taken off, but I understand it is really important to some people.

jack sommerset
11-13-2009, 12:28 PM
I would prefer all religious comments be taken off, but I understand it is really important to some people.

I like the tradition. Many Gods out there. Leave it alone.

ChumpDumper
11-13-2009, 12:30 PM
I like the tradition. Many Gods out there.
Like Allah, apparently.

jack sommerset
11-13-2009, 12:32 PM
Like Allah, apparently.

Exactly! Everyone that believes is a GOD can be happy.

ChumpDumper
11-13-2009, 12:33 PM
Exactly! Everyone that believes is a GOD can be happy.Why do they need to be happy about that?

jack sommerset
11-13-2009, 12:38 PM
Why do they need to be happy about that?

People get happy over shit like that. Lots of reasons I suppose. For me, I like the tradition. Keep it. It would make me happy.

ChumpDumper
11-13-2009, 12:39 PM
:lol it's in the very definition of the word.


conservative - disposed to preserve existing conditions, institutions, etc., or to restore traditional ones, and to limit change.So a truly true conservative would want to take the phrase off money since it wasn't on there until after the Civil War.

Ignignokt
11-13-2009, 01:04 PM
I agree.

I lean left on social issues and right on government scope / economics and I frankly find both parties to be to my distaste. One stands for social conservatism/big government and the other for social liberalism/big government. Everyone loses and power consolidates to the federal gov't with each election cycle.

The fringe elements of the parties are just not attractive to sane and normal people. Palin is just not a likeable target for anyone outside the right. She is bashed just like Bush was; for perceived incompetence and stupidity. She does a poor job of proving anyone wrong. The GOP must look elsewhere.

What makes her a far right Falwell social conservative?

Ignignokt
11-13-2009, 01:07 PM
So a truly true conservative would want to take the phrase off money since it wasn't on there until after the Civil War.

Nah, because it's a tradition that started after the civil war.

ChumpDumper
11-13-2009, 01:12 PM
Nah, because it's a tradition that started after the civil war.The tradition before was to not have it. Thanks for being an advocate of change.

George Gervin's Afro
11-13-2009, 01:18 PM
What makes her a far right Falwell social conservative?

Her views

Ignignokt
11-13-2009, 01:21 PM
Her views

link?

Does she want to bring back prayer?

Does she want to keep gay marriage from being recognzied like BO?

Does she want to get rid of evolution?

Ignignokt
11-13-2009, 01:24 PM
The tradition before was to not have it. Thanks for being an advocate of change.

Wrong, there was never a vote on wether to or not to have it prior to 1860. So there was never a policy against or for it, but instead it was brought and became a tradition after the civil war. According to your criteria, nothing is a tradition unless it was started when civlization began.

Don't bring in a weak premise.

In that case the US flag with 50 stars is not traditional since we acquired alaska way later after our independence. :lol

ChumpDumper
11-13-2009, 01:27 PM
Wrong, there was never a vote on wether to or not to have it prior to 1860.A vote is required to make something a tradition?
So there was never a policy against or for it, but instead it was brought and became a tradition after the civil war. According to your criteria, nothing is a tradition unless it was started when civlization began.So now the new placement is now a tradition which as a traditionalist you must support.

George Gervin's Afro
11-13-2009, 01:27 PM
link?

Does she want to bring back prayer?

Does she want to keep gay marriage from being recognzied like BO?

Does she want to get rid of evolution?


Social conservatives express delight at McCain’s pick of Sarah Palin
By Robert Marus
Friday, August 29, 2008
WASHINGTON (ABP) -- John McCain’s surprise Aug. 29 pick of Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin as his vice-presidential running mate was met with positive reviews from groups that oppose abortion rights and gay rights.

“Sen. McCain made an outstanding pick from the choices that were on the table,” said Tony Perkins, president of the Washington-based Family Research Council, in a press statement released shortly after McCain’s pick became public. “Gov. Sarah Palin is an outspoken advocate for pro-family policies that energize social conservatives. She has a record of advancing the culture of life at every opportunity including championing a ban on partial-birth abortion and promoting parental consent for minor abortions.”

The Idaho Values Alliance -- a conservative Christian group in the state where Palin was born and raised -- released a statement calling the Palin pick “an inspired choice” and noting that she supported, in 1998, one of the first state constitutional amendments banning same-sex marriage.

Palin, a former mayor of Wasilla, Alaska, was elected governor in 2006 in a contentious primary battle that pitted her against the Republican incumbent and, later, a former Democratic governor. She has earned a reputation as a reformer in a state that has been dominated by Republicans in recent years and beset by several political-corruption scandals, including the recent indictment of its long-serving U.S. senator, Ted Stevens (R).

However, she is also under investigation by the Alaska Legislature for her role in the firing of a former state employee.

While social issues are rarely election-deciders in libertarian-leaning Alaska, Palin has expressed strong opposition to gay rights. Besides supporting the same-sex-marriage ban, she also said, during her 2006 campaign, that she disapproved a recent Alaska Supreme Court ruling that the state had to provide spousal benefits to same-sex partners of government employees.
While Palin later signed legislation that enforced the decision, she said she would support a ballot initiative that would effectively overturn the court ruling by banning gay spouses from state benefits.

“When you can’t even support giving our community the rights to health insurance and pension benefits, it’s a frightening window into where she stands on equality,” said Joe Solmonese, president of the gay-rights group Human Rights Campaign, in a statement denouncing the Palin choice.

However, at least one moderate GOP group greeted McCain’s decision as a step forward for gays in the party. Log Cabin Republicans President Patrick Sammon released a statement saying Palin is “a mainstream Republican who will unite the party and serve John McCain well as vice president. Gov. Palin is an inclusive Republican who will help Sen. McCain appeal to gay and lesbian voters.”

Palin has also expressed support for the teaching of alternatives to evolution in public schools. According to the Anchorage Daily News, in response to a question on teaching evolution versus religious theories during a 2006 gubernatorial debate, Palin said, “Teach both. You know, don't be afraid of information. Healthy debate is so important, and it's so valuable in our schools. I am a proponent of teaching both.”

The Supreme Court has ruled against the teaching of creationism in public schools, and other federal courts have extended that to a ban on teaching “intelligent design,” a newer theory that states life is so complex that it necessitates the existence of an intelligent creative force of some sort.

Palin later, according to the newspaper, modified her position on public schools’ teaching such theories. “I don't think there should be a prohibition against debate if it comes up in class,” she said. “It doesn't have to be part of the curriculum."


http://www.abpnews.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3496&Itemid=53



I can find more if you'd like.

whottt
11-13-2009, 01:52 PM
So a truly true conservative would want to take the phrase off money since it wasn't on there until after the Civil War.

Not really. I mean I don't see her advocating a return to slavery either. It's been that way as long as she has been alive and that obviously qualifies her as a conservative based on that whole disposed to preserve existing conditions, part of the definition, which, if you note, is the part that comes immediately after the word conservative in that quote.


I am surprised no one ever tries to claim it's sacrilegous. In any case that slogan is a popular one on that coin whether you guys like it or not.

whottt
11-13-2009, 01:54 PM
Also I'd say Sarah probably wants to know just how much that needless change cost the American people. Because that is the kind of girl that she is, and that is also a conservative mindset.


You guys obviously just don't understand conservative, and obviously Sarah does.


Bottom line is this...she blows anyone the Republicans can nominate off the map in terms of name recognition and familiarity. And that is not bad.

By all means keep up the good work.

ChumpDumper
11-13-2009, 01:55 PM
Not really. I mean I don't see her advocating a return to slavery either. It's been that way as long as she has been alive and that obviously qualifies her as a conservative based on that whole disposed to preserve existing conditions, part of the definition, which, if you note, is the part that comes immediately after the word conservative in that quote.So after a certain amount of change, change is bad.

Sounds great.


I am surprised no one ever tries to claim it's sacrilegous.Yeah, I read the wiki entry too.


In any case that slogan is a popular one on that coin whether you guys like it or not.Popular = right.

OK.

whottt
11-13-2009, 02:09 PM
So after a certain amount of change, change is bad.

Sounds great. -

Sounds like an issue between you and the dictionary to me.







Yeah, I read the wiki entry too.

Read the wiki entry on what exactly?

ChumpDumper
11-13-2009, 02:11 PM
Sounds like an issue between you and the dictionary to me.Sounds like you don't want to talk about it anymore.

Understood.


Read the wiki entry on what exactly?OK, you didn't then.

whottt
11-13-2009, 02:11 PM
Popular = right.

OK.

In a Democracy? Pretty much yeah. That is the underlying principle behind it.

Oh, Gee!!
11-13-2009, 02:13 PM
Palin: What's the deal with all this "change" going on lately? I mean, really? am I right, folks?

whottt
11-13-2009, 02:13 PM
Sounds like you don't want to talk about it anymore.

Understood.

OK, you didn't then.

Talk about what? You desire to overlook definitions? What more do you want me to do?

I don't see her advocating we return to living in caves either, so I guess she's a not a conversative by some definitions....just by most of the non-stupid ones.

ChumpDumper
11-13-2009, 02:16 PM
Talk about what? You desire to overlook definitions? What more do you want me to do?It fits the definition fine. It's not my fault there is a contradiction inherent in it.


I don't see her advocating we return to living in caves either, so I guess she's a not a conversative by some definitions....just by most of the non-stupid ones.Oh, this coin phrase placement "issue" is definitely stupid. Your slavish agreement with Palin on this pressing issue pretty much proves it.

Ignignokt
11-13-2009, 02:17 PM
A vote is required to make something a tradition?

depends.


So now the new placement is now a tradition which as a traditionalist you must support.

1860 is new? :lmao

Dang, i must have a brand spanking new car then.

whottt
11-13-2009, 02:18 PM
I'll argue it this way too...it's been on there longer than it hasn't. That definitely qualifies as traditional.

ChumpDumper
11-13-2009, 02:18 PM
1860 is new? :lmaoAs far as many traditions go, sure.


Dang, i must have a brand spanking new car then.Is it traditional?

Oh, Gee!!
11-13-2009, 02:19 PM
I'll argue it this way too...it's been on there longer than it hasn't. That definitely qualifies as traditional.

human beings on earth is not a tradition I guess

whottt
11-13-2009, 02:20 PM
human beings on earth is not a tradition I guess

We aren't...this shits all relative though.

ChumpDumper
11-13-2009, 02:22 PM
I'll argue it this way too...it's been on there longer than it hasn't. That definitely qualifies as traditional.But there was a time when it wasn't, so can't have been as good as the previous tradition until it had been there longer. By the same logic, the new placement will be a better tradition once it has been a tradition longer that the previous placement.

So all anyone needs is patience. It'll be traditional after we're all dead.

Oh, Gee!!
11-13-2009, 02:23 PM
look at whottt getting all philosophical

Ignignokt
11-13-2009, 02:23 PM
But there was a time when it wasn't, so can't have been as good as the previous tradition until it had been there longer. By the same logic, the new placement will be a better tradition once it has been a tradition longer that the previous placement.

So all anyone needs is patience. It'll be traditional after we're all dead.

So are you saying that MLK day isn't a traditional holiday since at one time it wasn't around?

whottt
11-13-2009, 02:24 PM
It fits the definition fine. It's not my fault there is a contradiction inherent in it.

I don't really see much of a contradiction, I mean don't see anything about returning things to the way before one was born being implied in that definition. It's a conclusion you can draw but there's certainly nothing concrete to back that up. If anything I'd say before one was bon qualifies the as radicalism or fundamentalism or at the least Ultra Conservative.




Oh, this coin phrase placement "issue" is definitely stupid. Your slavish agreement with Palin on this pressing issue pretty much proves it.


My bad, I'll try to be more like you guys are with Obama.

ChumpDumper
11-13-2009, 02:27 PM
So are you saying that MLK day isn't a traditional holiday since at one time it wasn't around?No, since all holidays were not around at one time.

ChumpDumper
11-13-2009, 02:29 PM
I don't really see much of a contradiction, I mean don't see anything about returning things to the way before one was born being implied in that definition. It's a conclusion you can draw but there's certainly nothing concrete to back that up. If anything I'd say before one was bon qualifies the as radicalism or fundamentalism or at the least Ultra Conservative. Really? So anyone saying they want to return the country to the values of the founding fathers is a radical according to you.


My bad, I'll try to be more like you guys are with Obama.Did he voice an opinion about the placement? Link?

whottt
11-13-2009, 03:10 PM
Really? So anyone saying they want to return the country to the values of the founding fathers is a radical according to you.

Not in and of itself no.


Do you need me to explain why?

ChumpDumper
11-13-2009, 03:12 PM
Not in and of itself no.


Do you need me to explain why?You don't have to explain why you contradict yourself so often.

whottt
11-13-2009, 03:19 PM
Exactly how and when did I contradict myself?

Look before you leap old foot.

whottt
11-13-2009, 03:22 PM
look at whottt getting all philosophical

I am always philosphical, it's passive aggressive I usually am not.

Ignignokt
11-13-2009, 03:26 PM
No, since all holidays were not around at one time.

so none of the holidays are traditional, right?

ChumpDumper
11-13-2009, 03:26 PM
so none of the holidays are traditional, right?Is that your definition?

Ignignokt
11-13-2009, 03:27 PM
Really? So anyone saying they want to return the country to the values of the founding fathers is a radical according to you.


So you're saying that there's only two options, traditional and radical?

Ignignokt
11-13-2009, 03:28 PM
Is that your definition?

i'm asking you, based off your awnser. simple question.

i'll expect a yes or a no.

ChumpDumper
11-13-2009, 03:29 PM
So you're saying that there's only two options, traditional and radical?I think others were offered, but apparently it's a fair characterization.


i'm asking you, based off your awnser. simple question.

i'll expect a yes or a no.Why would you expect what you never give?

You broke your forum rap oath.

I don't personally know when something becomes a tradition. You guys are the ones defining it so -- definitively.

Ignignokt
11-13-2009, 03:32 PM
I think others were offered, but apparently it's a fair characterization.

Why would you expect what you never give?

You broke your forum rap oath.

I don't see a yes or a no.

why do you hate responding to your own stupidity?

Ignignokt
11-13-2009, 03:33 PM
You broke your forum rap oath.

I'm not a journalist, i wish you actually knew how to read.

ChumpDumper
11-13-2009, 03:33 PM
I don't see a yes or a no.

why do you hate responding to your own stupidity?See answer above.

I rapped no oath.

Ignignokt
11-13-2009, 03:34 PM
See answer above.

I rapped no oath.

You awnsered a question that wasn't asked here, why can't you get over arguing with strawmen?

ChumpDumper
11-13-2009, 03:34 PM
I'm not a journalist, i wish you actually knew how to read.They aren't bound by oaths either.

I wish you could actually comprehend that.

ChumpDumper
11-13-2009, 03:36 PM
You awnsered a question that wasn't asked here, why can't you get over arguing with strawmen?Depends on the definition.

It certainly has been proved that the there is no set definition. Some certainly are traditional, but I can't tell you when they became that way.

Ignignokt
11-13-2009, 03:36 PM
They aren't bound by oaths either.

I wish you could actually comprehend that.

I already acknowledge that in the other thread, you decided to bring it up in this one.


Again, do you want to argue with old arguments or the ones presented to you in your face which you've shown you're to weak to observe?

Ignignokt
11-13-2009, 03:37 PM
Depends on the definition.

It certainly has been proved that the there is no set definition. Some certainly are traditional, but I can't tell you when they became that way.


Not in and of itself no.


Do you need me to explain why?

Thank me for helping you agree with WHott.

Just a simple thank you, thanks.

ChumpDumper
11-13-2009, 03:38 PM
I already acknowledge that in the other thread, you decided to bring it up in this one.


Again, do you want to argue with old arguments or the ones presented to you in your face which you've shown you're to weak to observe?I'm dealing with one by referencing the other.

If it makes you upset, you shouldn't have brought up the stupidly irrelevant non-binding, non-taken Moyeratic rap oath in the other thread.

ChumpDumper
11-13-2009, 03:39 PM
Thank me for helping you agree with WHott.

Just a simple thank you, thanks.I never outright disagreed with him. I'm just trying to figure out what the actual definition is.

What is yours?

Ignignokt
11-13-2009, 03:40 PM
I never disagreed with him. I'm just trying to figure out what the actual definition is.


You can also thank me for helping you agree with Sarah Palin.


just a simple thank you is all.

ChumpDumper
11-13-2009, 03:41 PM
You can also thank me for helping you agree with Sarah Palin.


just a simple thank you is all.What is her definition?

Ignignokt
11-13-2009, 03:43 PM
If A = B and B = C , then A = C.

Chump is for reinstating "In God We Trust" to it's proper location on the coin, and he's for SarahPAC.

Sorry board liberals.

Ignignokt
11-13-2009, 03:43 PM
What is her definition?

You already know, since you agree with her and whott.

ChumpDumper
11-13-2009, 03:44 PM
If A = B and B = C , then A = C.

Chump is for reinstating "In God We Trust" to it's proper location on the coin, and he's for SarahPAC.

Sorry board liberals.Chump stated he is for removing the phrase altogether.

After all, it was tradition.

Sorry, gtown.

ChumpDumper
11-13-2009, 03:45 PM
You already know, since you agree with her and whott.Tell me what it is, and your definition too.

I did ask for that as well.

Ignignokt
11-13-2009, 03:46 PM
Chump stated he is for removing the phrase altogether.

After all, it was tradition.

Sorry, gtown.

So he does?

Well, let chump log back on under his own moniker, because you've been on the same page with whott throughout this time.

Don't rob Chump of his identity.

ChumpDumper
11-13-2009, 03:48 PM
So he does?

Well, let chump log back on under his own moniker, because you've been on the same page with whott throughout this time.

Don't rob Chump of his identity.I think you have proved you can't read.

Now quit stalling and tell me your definition of tradition and Palin's.

Ignignokt
11-13-2009, 03:50 PM
I think you have proved you can't read.

Now quit stalling and tell me your definition of tradition and Palin's.



IRONY!!!!!!! :lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmaox100000000 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00

ChumpDumper
11-13-2009, 03:53 PM
Yes, I am showing the irony of your not answering questions.

What is your definition of traditionalism and Palin's?

Wild Cobra
11-13-2009, 04:32 PM
a conspiracy in a decision to put "In God We Trust" on the edge -- rather than the face -- of new presidential dollar coins.

"She began her remarks with a puzzling commentary on the design of newly minted dollar coins," Politico wrote. "Noting that there had been a lot of “change” of late, Palin recalled a recent conversation with a friend about how the phrase “In God We Trust” had been moved to the edge of the new coins.

“Who calls a shot like that?” she inquired. “Who makes a decision like that?”

“It’s a disturbing trend,” she added.

Turns out, the decision was made by former Republican President George W. Bush, and approved in 2005.



http://rawstory.com/2009/11/fox-news-fact-checks-sarah-palins-dollar-conspiracy/

:lol

Now let's here from WC, Crooky, et al how pitbull bitch gets "treated badly" :lol
I don't know yet. Haven't looked anything up, or read past the article.

I do find it real disturbing that you are willing to post an article about about an article. Did you bother checking to find if the allegation is even true?

Even if she actually said that, and as implied, what makes a person like you so stupid to think people of the same party all agree with each other?

ChumpDumper
11-13-2009, 04:43 PM
I don't know yet. Haven't looked anything up, or tread past the article.

I do find it real disturbing that you are willing to post an article about about an article. Did you bother checking to find if the allegation is even true?

Even if she actually said that, and as implied, what makes a person like you so stupid to think people of the same party all agree with each other?I checked.

It's true.

q-SIoi8SiiY

ChumpDumper
11-13-2009, 04:50 PM
Even funnier per Fox News: In 2007, the Democrat controlled Congress changed the location of the phrase on the dollar coins back to the face.

WUWF0ib-IC4

Does that return to tradition by Democrats calm her claims of disturbance?

clambake
11-13-2009, 04:53 PM
thank god the democrats are trying to preserve this tradition.

ChumpDumper
11-13-2009, 04:54 PM
thank god the democrats are trying to preserve this tradition.I don't think the new tradition had a fair 140-year shake.

DarrinS
11-13-2009, 04:55 PM
Did the other networks get scooped by Fox on this greatest of news stories? Seems like the other networks would be chomping at the bit to get another dagger in her.


WUWF0ib-IC4

ChumpDumper
11-13-2009, 04:55 PM
Did the other networks get scooped by Fox on this greatest of news stories? Seems like the other networks would be chomping at the bit to get another dagger in her.Who can tell? Nobody watches them.

Crookshanks
11-13-2009, 04:56 PM
So just because the decision was made during the time of the Bush Administration, it makes her question stupid? All she did was ask "who makes a decision like that?" So who actually did make the decision?

And evidently it wasn't a very popular decision, because it was reversed last year. So why in the world do we have 3 pages of arguing about this? Of course, since Chump is one of the main posters in this thread, it's going to be long because all he ever does is ASK questions.

clambake
11-13-2009, 04:57 PM
I don't think the new tradition had a fair 140-year shake.

yeah, well, war will make you do crazy shit.

whottt
11-13-2009, 04:58 PM
So basically, Bush was acting like a liberal the Democrats were acting like conservatives, Sarah Palin was acting like a conservative, which she claims to be, and all the Democrats in this thread agree with Bush?


Got it.

Nice job Sarah. And props to you for being what you appear to be, unlike Bush and the Democrats(in congress and in this thread).

clambake
11-13-2009, 04:59 PM
you didn't get it.

ChumpDumper
11-13-2009, 04:59 PM
So just because the decision was made during the time of the Bush Administration, it makes her question stupid? All she did was ask "who makes a decision like that?" So who actually did make the decision?Congress. It's so easy to find out I think even you could do it.


And evidently it wasn't a very popular decision, because it was reversed last year. So why in the world do we have 3 pages of arguing about this? Of course, since Chump is one of the main posters in this thread, it's going to be long because all he ever does is ASK questions.There have been plenty of declarative statements by me in this thread.

whottt
11-13-2009, 05:01 PM
you didn't get it.

Oh I get it alright, you guys call her stupid when your own congress agrees with her.

ChumpDumper
11-13-2009, 05:01 PM
Nice job Sarah. And props to you for being what you appear to be, unlike Bush and the Democrats(in congress and in this thread).Yes, she appears to be quite an idiot from that speech excerpt.

clambake
11-13-2009, 05:02 PM
Oh I get it alright, you guys call her stupid when your own congress agrees with her.

no, you see, we don't give a shit about the coin or the phrase.

ChumpDumper
11-13-2009, 05:04 PM
Oh I get it alright, you guys call her stupid when your own congress agrees with her.I call her stupid because she didn't know it had been changed again.

I call her stupid because she didn't know that Congress makes those decisions.

I call her stupid because she thinks "internets chain email" is a speechwriter.

DarrinS
11-13-2009, 05:06 PM
Bob Woodward should write a book about this. That is, if he's not already too busy wrighting a tell-all book on the deep political thoughts of Carrie Prejean.

clambake
11-13-2009, 05:07 PM
Bob Woodward should write a book about this. That is, if he's not already too busy wrighting a tell-all book on the deep political thoughts of Carrie Prejean.

so, her book doesn't include all that?

ChumpDumper
11-13-2009, 05:07 PM
Bob Woodward should write a book about this. That is, if he's not already too busy wrighting a tell-all book on the deep political thoughts of Carrie Prejean.Well, we know someone who has time to be the arbiter of what is important on a message board certainly isn't busy.

whottt
11-13-2009, 05:13 PM
no, you see, we don't give a shit about the coin or the phrase.


Which makes you pretty stupid to be in a thread discussing it.

clambake
11-13-2009, 05:14 PM
Which makes you pretty stupid to be in a thread discussing it.

this thread is about her stupidity.

you'd have to be pretty stupid not to know that.

whottt
11-13-2009, 05:25 PM
I call her stupid because she didn't know it had been changed again.

I don't really get that from it, I think she was talking about the intent to move it to the side or remove it...people that want to do shit like that.




I call her stupid because she didn't know that Congress makes those decisions.

I see nothing to indicate, I think she was clearly asking what kind of people want that.




I call her stupid because she thinks "internets chain email" is a speechwriter.

Link?

whottt
11-13-2009, 05:27 PM
this thread is about her stupidity.

No, I think it's clearly about yours.(in th collective sense)





you'd have to be pretty stupid not to know that.

Oh well hey, we don't all get to spend 25 hours a day on the Spurs talk political forum educating ourselves.

ChumpDumper
11-13-2009, 05:30 PM
I don't really get that from it, I think she was talking about the intent to move it to the side or remove it...people that want to do shit like that. Of course you really didn't get that.


I see nothing to indicate, I think she was clearly asking what kind of people want that.Of course you think that.


Link?http://www.snopes.com/politics/religion/dollarcoin.asp

I fully expect you to "not get it" from that link and try to emphasize that Palin was more accurate than the email in stating what happened to the phrase on the coin.

Wild Cobra
11-13-2009, 05:38 PM
Did the other networks get scooped by Fox on this greatest of news stories? Seems like the other networks would be chomping at the bit to get another dagger in her.


WUWF0ib-IC4
Someone posted on YOUTUBE the audio of what she really said. Sounds like her recounting a story from years back, considering the side imprint only had a short life due to mis-strikes.

I would like to know the context before and after. It might be a story of what lead her into higher politics. To have more political input against things she disagrees with.

q-SIoi8SiiY

whottt
11-13-2009, 05:42 PM
Of course you really didn't get that.

Of course you think that.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/religion/dollarcoin.asp

Of course I do.





I fully expect you to "not get it" from that link and try to emphasize that Palin was more accurate than the email in stating what happened to the phrase on the coin.

And I fully expect you to show me the part where she thinks that internet chainmail is a speechwriter.

Near as I can tell Palin's name isn't mentioned anywhere on the link you provided and neither is the word(s) speech writer or any variation thereof. Much less any sort of quote by her saying she thinks it is one.

ChumpDumper
11-13-2009, 05:49 PM
Of course I do.Your mind can't accept any possibility other than the one where your imaginary girlfriend is the smartest bestest imaginary girfriend ever.


And I fully expect you to show me the part where she thinks that internet chainmail is a speechwriter.Her parroting the subject of an internets chain mail is proof enough she used it or something very similar as her source.

Where else did you think she got it? An actual friend showing her shiny coins? What kind of people talk about and listen to and repeat such discussion about shiny coins?

Are you that kind of person?


Near as I can tell Palin's name isn't mentioned anywhere on the link you provided and neither is the word(s) speech writer or any variation thereof. Much less any sort of quote by her saying she thinks it is one.Of course her name wouldn't be in it; it's the source of her speech. It's recycled faux outrage from several years ago. She knows it will still play with the ignorant and lovelorn.

Mission accomplished.

Wild Cobra
11-13-2009, 05:52 PM
What gets me is the attempt of libtards to try to frame this as a conspiracy that Palin believes in. No such evidence.

However, the dollars now have the phrase of the front again because of the difficulties in stamping them without the phrase. hundreds, if not thousands or millions, actually went into circulation without "In God We Trust!" A simple mis-striking of the coin, not intentional. Now with that in mind, it's easy to see why people might think conspiracy.

Now, anyone who spots one of these, hold on to it. It is a collectors item! It will be worth serious money at some time, if not already.

whottt
11-13-2009, 05:53 PM
Your mind can't accept any possibility other than the one where your imaginary girlfriend is the smartest bestest imaginary girfriend ever.

I never said she was the smarters.




Her parroting the subject of an internets chain mail is proof enough she used it or something very similar as her source.

Oh well shit, I'll start worrying when she starts sounding like a bumpersticker. Right now I'd say that just makes her well read compared to the average lib, at least on this forum.


And I still don't see any indication she think it's a speech writer. Probably never will.







Where else did you think she got it? An actual friend showing her shiny coins?
What kind of people talk about and listen to and repeat such discussion about shiny coins?

Governors?




Are you that kind of person?

Actually I am, and so are you.


Of course her name wouldn't be in it; it's the source of her speech. It's recycled faux outrage from several years ago.

Apology accepted.

ChumpDumper
11-13-2009, 05:56 PM
I'll let you tidy that up a bit.

whottt
11-13-2009, 06:04 PM
I'll let you tidy that up a bit.

Well?

whottt
11-13-2009, 06:22 PM
Pussy.

spursncowboys
11-13-2009, 06:26 PM
Liberals just keep showing us who you don't want to run against.

clambake
11-13-2009, 06:31 PM
i fully intend to vote for her at the primaries.

then again, do i hate america?

ChumpDumper
11-13-2009, 07:22 PM
I never said she was the smarters.You got me there. You never said she was "the smarters" -- brava.


Oh well shit, I'll start worrying when she starts sounding like a bumpersticker. Right now I'd say that just makes her well read compared to the average lib, at least on this forum.Of course you'd say that.


And I still don't see any indication she think it's a speech writer. Probably never will. It certainly contributed mightily to that speech.


Governors?She's not a governor, and I doubt other governors sat around talking about the shiny coins they just got.


Actually I am, and so are you.I never heard anyone discuss this in my life. I heard Palin's description about one.


Apology accepted.Apology never given. Internets chain email wrote that part for the speech.

ChumpDumper
11-13-2009, 07:23 PM
Well?


Pussy.I got tired of waiting for you to correct the "the smarters" thing, so I went out to eat.

DarrinS
11-13-2009, 10:27 PM
I got tired of waiting for you to correct the "the smarters" thing, so I went out to eat.

cock?

whottt
11-13-2009, 11:07 PM
Um...correct the smarters thing? Why I would I need to do that? You know what word was intended to go there, at least I think you do. So what then is the point in my putting out the effort to do so? Totally wasted effort. I hardly ever correct my minor typos, and if anyone should know that it's you.

I edit my posts to add thoughts and make sure the quote boxes line up and even on occassion correct a totally fucked up word or sentence(as in you cannot understand it at all) and for no other reason.



I'm more concerned with the overall essence of points than I am impressing my teacher. In fact I actually consider typos to increase the artistic value of message board posts. They add a certain ambience or quality that sets them apart from cookie cutter posts.

Additionally, there are plenty of totally fucking stupid people that don't make typos and have a great grammar skills and actually think those indicate intelligence and a can be used in place of a challenging or logical argument. Which is not true.


Besides, anyone stupid enough to not understand what happened there, I want them to call me out you see. For a variety of reasons.


If you actually need me to put the right word there, that actually says a lot more about you than it does me.

It's not the only typo in that post either...and I expect there are some in this one as well.

Ignignokt
11-14-2009, 11:45 AM
I don't see what Whott's complaining about. Chumpdumper already agrees with Whott and Sarah Palin, he just demands proper grammar and spelling, since he was voted #1 substitute teacher of the year.