If I ever said anything bad about Bynum...

[pauls931]

I take it back. Holy cow! Dude is so tall he doesn't even have to jump to outrebound the suns front line or to get a shot up. How did you guys get him?

[Culburn369]

Mitch drafted him, and then when everybody was badgering him to trade Bynum--Mitch put them on his to ignore list.

[pauls931]

Mitch drafted him, and then when everybody was badgering him to trade Bynum--Mitch put them on his to ignore list.

Which pick? I'm wondering who passed over him.

[hater]

I take it back. Holy cow! Dude is so tall he doesn't even have to jump to outrebound the suns front line or to get a shot up. How did you guys get him?

the suns have a front line?

[usdane]

Bynum was taken with the 10th pick in the 2005 draft.

http://www.nba.com/history/draft_round1_2000s.html#2005

We got the pick through the Shaq trade.

[LnGrrrR]

Definitely panning out well this year.

[21_Blessings]

Been telling you guys for years.

Bynum just had some really bad luck. Coming down on Lamar's chubby chasing foot and Kobe chop blocking his knee - it wasn't his fault.

[21_Blessings]

And you guys do realize Bynum was playing like this in 07/08 before he got hurt? The Lakers are the favorites out West with or without Pau Gasol. That's how good a healthy Bynum is.

[Mel_13]

Bynum was taken with the 10th pick in the 2005 draft.

http://www.nba.com/history/draft_round1_2000s.html#2005

We got the pick through the Shaq trade.

No.

The 10th pick was their own pick. The Lakers finished 2-19 after starting 32-29 in 2004-05.

The first rounder from Miami was the 2006 pick used to draft Farmar.

[lefty]

Bynum has a great potential :wow

[TheMACHINE]

No.

The 10th pick was their own pick. The Lakers finished 2-19 after starting 32-29 in 2004-05.

The first rounder from Miami was the 2006 pick used to draft Farmar.

true...

In essence, we traded Shaq for Pau, Farmar and Lamar.

[Donkeybong]

bynum has a great shooting touch as well. You can see that his game isnt all about power. Im wondering if he picked it up from Kareem or just naturally had it.

[Sportcamper]

pauls931 -Bynum was just a teenager & just about everyone in LA thought drafting him was a poor choice…

[Donkeybong]

bd-FLEDTfao

[usdane]

No.

The 10th pick was their own pick. The Lakers finished 2-19 after starting 32-29 in 2004-05.

The first rounder from Miami was the 2006 pick used to draft Farmar.

Your right - my bad.

Interesting to look back - Portland apparently almost picked Bynum with the 6th pick.
http://www.draftexpress.com/article/2005-NBA-Draft-Grades-1029/

Damn - Danny Granger went 17th.

[ginobili's bald spot]

pauls931 -Bynum was just a teenager & just about everyone in LA thought drafting him was a poor choice…

I sure as hell didn't think it was a bad choice. Bynum is exactly the player I wanted before the draft. I was pumped when we picked him.

[TheMACHINE]

bynum has a great shooting touch as well. You can see that his game isnt all about power. Im wondering if he picked it up from Kareem or just naturally had it.

im sure Kareem had a big part of it. You have to learn something from a guy teaching you for a few years, especially from an all time great.

[Sportcamper]

Nobody on this or any forum posted that they were pumped up about Bynum being drafted...The LA times blasted the choice & Kobe did as well...

[ginobili's bald spot]

Nobody on this or any forum posted that they were pumped up about Bynum being drafted...The LA times blasted the choice & Kobe did as well...

Actually I did on clublakers. I also correctly predicted we would draft him which resulted in me winning the draft challenge on the site. So... you're wrong.

[21_Blessings]

pauls931 -Bynum was just a teenager & just about everyone in LA thought drafting him was a poor choice…

Not true at all. Many were pro Bynum during the draft like me. And Jimmy Buss.

Funny how Jimmy was blamed for WASTING KOBE's PRIME when he defended the Bynum pick. Yet now all the credit goes to Mitch even though he wanted Sean May (Phil wanted Granger).

[Culburn369]

Not true at all. Many were pro Bynum during the draft like me. And Jimmy Buss.

Funny how Jimmy was blamed for WASTING KOBE's PRIME when he defended the Bynum pick. Yet now all the credit goes to Mitch even though he wanted Sean May (Phil wanted Granger).

And now you know.........the rest of the story.

:toast

[lefty]

I take it back. Holy cow! Dude is so tall he doesn't even have to jump to outrebound the suns front line or to get a shot up. How did you guys get him?
You are saying: " If I ever said anything "

Are you sure you have actually said anything bad about him?

Because if you are taking back what you haven't said, you'll look pretty stupid

[Indazone]

Bynum sucks and if he goes up against a real center/pf he gets owned.

Yao owns him
Shaq owns him
Duncan owns him
Howard owns him

hell even Bosh and Jefferson owns him and I"ll go on and say Okafor would take the wood to him. LOL

[TheMACHINE]

Bynum sucks and if he goes up against a real center/pf he gets owned.

Yao owns him
Shaq owns him
Duncan owns him
Howard owns him

hell even Bosh and Jefferson owns him and I"ll go on and say Okafor would take the wood to him. LOL

i bet Rockets would do a Bynum for Yao trade in a heartbeat.

[Indazone]

shit no...Dampier is better than Bynum

[Allanon]

Bynum sucks and if he goes up against a real center/pf he gets owned.

Yao owns him
Shaq owns him
Duncan owns him
Howard owns him

hell even Bosh and Jefferson owns him and I"ll go on and say Okafor would take the wood to him. LOL

He hasn't played any of them this year, but going by previous years:

Yao owns him - True
Shaq owns him - False
Duncan owns him - False
Howard owns him - False

hell even Bosh - False
Jefferson owns him - False

Okafur - I don't know

[Muser]

Bynum defends Duncan very well, Duncan has said so in the past I think.

[picc84]

Bynum defends slow, methodical bigmen very well, even very skilled ones. He also defends Amare well, but thats just because Amare is dumb as a box of rocks.

[pauls931]

He hasn't played any of them this year, but going by previous years:

Yao owns him - True
Shaq owns him - False
Duncan owns him - False
Howard owns him - False




Seems like Duncan should be able to. Out of that list Yao and Duncan are the only ones that can shoot more than 5ft from the hoop. You can't take Bynum on within 5ft of the hoop.

[j.dizzle]

If bynum stays healthy it's a wrap..when he's confident and when gasol comes back it won't even be fair

[cobbler]

If bynum stays healthy it's a wrap..when he's confident and when gasol comes back it won't even be fair

Only problem there is that Drew likes his touches and they along with his numbers will decrease when Pau returns.

Well see... I hope it's a non issue.

[j.dizzle]

Drew will get as many touches cuz he'll play more with second unit

[Goran Dragic]

http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200712250LAL.html


Why I was the only Suns fan who saw this coming is beyond me. People forgot how much Bynum wrecked us in 07/08.

[Indazone]

http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200712250LAL.html


Why I was the only Suns fan who saw this coming is beyond me. People forgot how much Bynum wrecked us in 07/08.

Because the Suns were a donut team. I never said Stoudamire could stop Bynum lol

[tlongII]

Oden > Bynum

[nkdlunch]

wake me up when he dominates an NBA frontline

[Goran Dragic]

wake me up when he dominates an NBA frontline

http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200901250LAL.html

he basically neutralized Duncan in that game, is the good enough for ya?

[j.dizzle]

wake me up when he dominates an NBA frontline

Haha just wait till they play the spurs. That old and midget frontline is gonna get wrecked

[lefty]

Injuries> Oden > Bynum

Fify

[nkdlunch]

Haha just wait till they play the spurs. That old and midget frontline is gonna get wrecked

dominate Dyess and Duncan?? highly unlikely

he couldn't even dominate the Mavs frontline

[The Gemini Method]

Gotta love the Bynum detractors that continue to squeal, "wait until this...wait until that..." it's undeniable that if healthy, Bynum is capable of beastin' and with more experience who knows what'll happen. It is undeniable he is talented. Man, hopefully he stays healthy...

[tlongII]

Hopefully both Bynum and Oden are healthy come January 8th. :toast

[lefty]

Hopefully both Bynum and Oden are healthy come January 8th. :toast
Ankle wresting !!!!!!!

[mogrovejo]

He hasn't played any of them this year, but going by previous years:

Yao owns him - True
Shaq owns him - False
Duncan owns him - False
Howard owns him - False

hell even Bosh - False
Jefferson owns him - False

Okafur - I don't know

Perkins owns him. I don't think Bynum has ever scored in double-digits versus Perkins. I believe that in most games Perkins actually outscored him. Good post defenders playing for teams that can deny dribble penetration to the middle can take Bynum out of the game.

That's Bynum's big flaw offensively - he can't create his shot versus good defenders. He only scores big numbers when he has other guys manufacturing easy shots for him. I'd bet than 3/4 of his shots are assisted. That's basically Troy Murphy territory. Your regular to weak defensive team can't afford to shut down Bynum because the Lakers have other weapons, but it's easy to do. He can take jump-shots, but his efficiency is so low that the more he takes, the better. Versus Dallas and Houston he really struggled to score.

On the top of that, he's atrociously defending ballscreens, doesn't have the timing and awareness to show up hard and recover. Forces the Lakers to over-help - the difference on their p'n'r defence when Bynum or Gasol are on the floor is quite evident - and teams able to execute well the ball reversal and with good weakside shooters can cream the Lakers.

More Bynum and less Gasol and Odom works perfectly for me.

[Allanon]

Perkins owns him.

I would call it a draw but I can live with Perkins owning Bynum.

At least until January 31st.

[Killakobe81]

Perkins owns him. I don't think Bynum has ever scored in double-digits versus Perkins. I believe that in most games Perkins actually outscored him. Good post defenders playing for teams that can deny dribble penetration to the middle can take Bynum out of the game.

That's Bynum's big flaw offensively - he can't create his shot versus good defenders. He only scores big numbers when he has other guys manufacturing easy shots for him. I'd bet than 3/4 of his shots are assisted. That's basically Troy Murphy territory. Your regular to weak defensive team can't afford to shut down Bynum because the Lakers have other weapons, but it's easy to do. He can take jump-shots, but his efficiency is so low that the more he takes, the better. Versus Dallas and Houston he really struggled to score.

On the top of that, he's atrociously defending ballscreens, doesn't have the timing and awareness to show up hard and recover. Forces the Lakers to over-help - the difference on their p'n'r defence when Bynum or Gasol are on the floor is quite evident - and teams able to execute well the ball reversal and with good weakside shooters can cream the Lakers.

More Bynum and less Gasol and Odom works perfectly for me.

Lucky for you Bynum hasnt been healthy for 9 out of the last 10 times they have played Celts (counting FINALS)

Perkins is a great post defender but my guess is come clutch time he wont see perk and even if he does Bynum would get him in foul trouble anyway ...

[Killakobe81]

I just jop e we are BOTH healthy when we face each other no excuses ...

[mogrovejo]

Lucky for you Bynum hasnt been healthy for 9 out of the last 10 times they have played Celts (counting FINALS)

Perkins is a great post defender but my guess is come clutch time he wont see perk and even if he does Bynum would get him in foul trouble anyway ...

lol @ counting finals, that's the only thing that gives a meaning to "9 out of the last 10 games".They've played enough in the last 3 seasons and, IIRC, Bynum oscillated between being mediocre and flat out putrid (and it wasn't because he was out of form, I remember a game where he was averaging 20/10 for the last 10 games or whatever and fouled out with 7 points or so).

Why won't he see Perk? He never got him in foul trouble before, players of Bynum's type don't do that. And if Perkins is out, Sheed is another post defender. I'd guess that Sheed is another guy that easily owns Bynum. Has he ever scored in double digits versus Sheed?

[mogrovejo]

I just jop e we are BOTH healthy when we face each other no excuses ...

I never make excuses, healthy or not. You play with what you have. I leave that stuff to the feminized Kobe fans.

[picc84]

lol @ counting finals, that's the only thing that gives a meaning to "9 out of the last 10 games".They've played enough in the last 3 seasons and, IIRC, Bynum oscillated between being mediocre and flat out putrid (and it wasn't because he was out of form, I remember a game where he was averaging 20/10 for the last 10 games or whatever and fouled out with 7 points or so).


They've seen each other twice since the 2008 season began.

[Allanon]

feminized Kobe fans.

You still haven't defended your views or your fancy graph. I have an open bet with you.

Put your sig where your mouth is if you're such a man.

http://spurstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3830805&postcount=319

[cobbler]

"His size is absolutely a factor," Rivers told the Boston Globe. "I go back to that game where we played them early in the year and we didn't play well. We got to the basket a lot, but we missed all the layups. Live, I was frustrated because I thought we were missing layups and we were pressing.

"But then when you watch the video, he makes you change your shot. We had three or four of them where we were right there and we double-clutched for no reason -- other than the fact to the left of your eye he was coming. And that's what size does. Size makes you miss layups. He's done that and he also gives you a low-post scorer with Gasol. And that's made them pretty darn good."

-Doc Rivers-

[TheProfessor]

Mitch drafted him, and then when everybody was badgering him to trade Bynum--Mitch put them on his to ignore list.
Kupchak really deserves a lot of credit for sticking with Bynum in the face of all that pressure.

[21_Blessings]

Huh? Bynum was on the table, but no one wanted him unless LO came with him.

Wrong.

LO was being dangled for 3 straight years and was almost traded for Boozer, Artest and JO. While the Lakers refused to include Bynum in any deal involving Artest/JO/Kidd etc.

We know this as Jimmy Buss himself that Bynum was "untouchable" in a radio interview.

[jonnybravo]

Wrong.

LO was being dangled for 3 straight years and was almost traded for Boozer, Artest and JO. While the Lakers refused to include Bynum in any deal involving Artest/JO/Kidd etc.

We know this as Jimmy Buss himself that Bynum was "untouchable" in a radio interview.

This is the correct answer here.

[DJB]

One good game and he's the greatest center ever? What about his finals performance??

[Ghazi]

^ stfu troll

[DPG21920]

A lot of foolish people on this site. The only real concern with Bynum is health. Anyone who watched him healthy and still dogged him is eating some serious crow.

Given, they will pray for an injury so they can say "told you he sucks"...

[tlongII]

Oden > Bynum

[DPG21920]

Oden is playing fantastic.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Yeah, they're both playing well. Hopefully the era of crappy big men is coming to an end.

[KSeal]

Oden > Bynum

21 and 11 > 10 and 8

[DPG21920]

If you look at Oden over the last week or more he is averaging 14 PTS, 7 REB, 2.3 BLKS on 65% FG and 90% FT.

[duhoh]

shit no...Dampier is better than Bynum

you have lost all crediblity.

[ezau]

And you guys do realize Bynum was playing like this in 07/08 before he got hurt? The Lakers are the favorites out West with or without Pau Gasol. That's how good a healthy Bynum is.

Yeah, he's been projected as Wilt Chamberlain 2.0. At worst, he's a longer and more athletic Tim Duncan :lol:lol:lol

[ezau]

One good game and he's the greatest center ever? What about his finals performance??

Good point. Where was this Wilt Chamberlain incarnate in the Finals?

[usdane]

Good point. Where was this Wilt Chamberlain incarnate in the Finals?

Bynum was coming back too early from injury and was far from 100%. Still he pretty much shoot Howard down.

[Allanon]

One good game and he's the greatest center ever? What about his finals performance??

Please rank the 3 best Centers playing in the West.

[spursfan1000]

I didn't know Bynum was a #10 pick I thought he was just some late draft pick like in the 2nd round...

[Indazone]

There are no Centers in the West worth mentioning.

[ezau]

Bynum was coming back too early from injury and was far from 100%. Still he pretty much shoot Howard down.

If there's one thing I remember in this year's Finals is how Gasol became Superman's kryptonite. But yeah, Bynum wasn't even needed to beat that hapless Magic team anyways.