Bill Belichick can sick a duck

[monosylab1k]

Worst call I've ever seen a head coach of a professional sports team make.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Yup.

[lefty]

I agree

4th & 2

You just can bully your way to 1st down.

But no.

[bostonguy]

I knew it. The minute they snapped the ball on that 4th down play, I knew we wouldn't convert it. Dumb decision by that fucker.

[monosylab1k]

Even Wade Phillips thinks it was a shitty call.

Richie Kotite just shook his head in disgust.

Marty Morningweh wouldn't have made that call, and he's the dumbshit who deferred to kick the ball off in overtime.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Just poor coaching in general. This bend but don't break bullshit has really gotten old.

[bostonguy]

I agree

4th & 2

You just can bully your way to 1st down.

But no.

No you punt it and make Peyton drive down the field. You trust your defense. That 4th down play negated any of those situations.

[JoeTait75]

He made stupider calls in Cleveland.

Belichick is a fraud. Wouldn't have done squat without Tom Brady covering for his ass.

[monosylab1k]

The defense wore down some, but you've gotta give them a chance to make a stop with a full field. You can't pin them at the 30 and say "Try not to get raped".

[monosylab1k]

No you punt it and make Peyton drive down the field. You trust your defense. That 4th down play negated any of those situations.

Exactly.

[lefty]

No you punt it and make Peyton drive down the field. You trust your defense. That 4th down play negated any of those situations.
That too

But I meant on the 3rd & 2, sorry.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

I agree all around. You're sending the defense a shitty message with that. If I were a defensive player, I'd walk to the sidelines after Wayne scores and say, "That's probably what you expected, or else you would have trusted us."

[BeefAnus II]

Worst call I've ever seen a head coach of a professional sports team make.
don't worry if the pats and colts met in the play-offs, colts haven't a shot in hell

[Shank]

"What the fuck was that??" - Barry Switzer from his couch.

[monosylab1k]

unfuckingbelievable.

[lefty]

http://www.istockphoto.com/file_thumbview_approve/1954017/2/istockphoto_1954017-scary-monster-face.jpg

[monosylab1k]

You know that feeling where you're having sex and about to finish, then outta nowhere someone shoves a black fist dildo into your ass?

[Shank]

You know that feeling where you're having sex and about to finish, then outta nowhere someone shoves a black fist dildo into your ass?

Why bring race into this?

[PixelPusher]

You know, for years everyone always talked about how Belichick was always in Peyton Manning's head, always a step ahead of him.

It seems like, in these past 3 years, it's the other way around. This has to be the 4th or 5th time I can remember Belichick going for it on 4th down against the Colts.

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

Marty Morningweh wouldn't have made that call, and he's the dumbshit who deferred to kick the ball off in overtime.

Funny, that's the exact move I thought of after seeing that.

So smart it's fucking stupid.

[lefty]

Man, sweaty balls really stink

[u4lakers14]

tom brady<peyton manning

[u4lakers14]

second guessers.

trying to convert the 4th down was the best chance for the pats to win the game and it didnt work out.

[monosylab1k]

You know, for years everyone always talked about how Belichick was always in Peyton Manning's head, always a step ahead of him.

It seems like, in these past 3 years, it's the other way around. This has to be the 4th or 5th time I can remember Belichick going for it on 4th down against the Colts.

Very true.

Choking is a state of mind. Just because you were clutch in the past doesn't mean you will always be clutch forever more.

After the past 4 years, the Patriots are bonafide chokers.

[DMX7]

That was just giving the game away. Very stupid.

[kamikazi_player]

Don't worry Patriot fans, you have the same record as the Cowboys

[monosylab1k]

second guessers.

trying to convert the 4th down was the best chance for the pats to win the game and it didnt work out.

I didn't second guess shit. The second I saw Brady staying on the field I immediately said "they're fucking idiots if they go for it."

Converting a 4th down at their 40 is one thing. doing it at your own 30 is completely different.

[dirk4mvp]

He's the best coach in the history of coaches.

[u4lakers14]

i think maybe they just didnt like their chances if they gave it back to manning period. 60 seconds earlier they watched him go 80 yards in about two minutes, not to mention doing without having to spend his timeouts.

if they make it belichek is a master and peyton gets to keep staring at his cleats.

was it a good idea to try to convert it? not really. if manning gets his hands on the ball you could be in trouble

was it a good idea to punt it, thus give it to manning and let him run the second 2 minute drill on your gassed defense in as many minutes? not really. if manning gets his hands on the ball you could be in trouble

[u4lakers14]

by the way, i have no doubt that if you were a coach in the nfl you would have won that game.

[monosylab1k]

by the way, i have no doubt that if you were a coach in the nfl you would have won that game.

I certainly wouldn't have called a 2 yard throw that might not have converted even if he wasn't bobbling the catch, and that's a moot point because I never would have gone for it on 4th down at my own damn 30 yard line with the game on the line.

[monosylab1k]

Punt it, you've got a solid punter, so it's possible you can get them back around their own 30 or 20, even further with a favorable bounce. And you give your defense a chance to succeed. If they fail, then it's all pointless. But you at least give them a chance to succeed.

[u4lakers14]

honestly, nor would i, but i can see his side of it too. his offense has like 500yds in the game. he tried to play defense with his offense and it backfired.

it was a bold attempt

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

Actually, they called two 2 yard throws in a row.

We all know what Manning is capable of but the guy isn't infallible.

Punt and play defense.

[u4lakers14]

nice sig by the way. dungy is a stud. (a very polite one but still)

[Borosai]

Bill Jauron.

[BeefAnus II]

I certainly wouldn't have called a 2 yard throw that might not have converted even if he wasn't bobbling the catch, and that's a moot point because I never would have gone for it on 4th down at my own damn 30 yard line with the game on the line.
exactly! who one of the best coaches in history of the nfl really have done that in hopes of winning the game?! no. He is a also thinking about the future! thats why he is such a good coach, cause he can see the hole picture! He does things his way mono let him do his thing and al will be ok, unless they play the steelers, and the steelers don't play like dog shit, then u might have a little bit of a issue.

[JoeTait75]

If his defense was gassed, why the hell would he put them in that position? Give them 70 or 80 yards and the increased margin for error that goes with it. The more ground the Colts have to cover, the better chance they'll make a mistake somewhere along the line.

The clock management on the part of the Patriots was horrible too. Calling a timeout with the clock stopped right before the 4th-down play was galactically stupid.

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

No, calling the TO after the change of possession was the first galactically stupid call of the night.

I see it all the time...from the Lions.

[BeefAnus II]

damn are you guys just gonna be pushed over and cry about 1 lose, mono? their isn't no shame is losing a battle if you can come back to win the war! damn man u gotta defened your team and trust that bill knows what he is doing, you guy have brady THE BEST QB in the mother fucking league! you aint got any reason to worry yet, ur 6-3 and in no way hurting!

[BlackSwordsMan]

now the dallas cowboys getting raped by a shitty team from wisconsin won't be the headlines tomorrow
yes!

[IronMexican]

Nice sigs on the first two posts :lmao

[LnGrrrR]

I'd like to chime in my disgust. Way too much of a gamble. Fucking hell. This will piss me off for a long time.

[SpursFanFirst]

nice sig by the way. dungy is a stud. (a very polite one but still)

:lol Mono is a biiiiiig Dungy fan, aren't you Mono?

I know people think Belichick was nuts to try with his offense, but I'm not so sure.

Was it a bit unorthodox and ballsy? Sure. But sometimes, you need a coach to make those decisions in the NFL.

As someone stated before, if it would've worked, he would've been hailed a genius. Pats fans from every corner would've been saying how it was a great decision and they would've done the same thing.

Now...why they chose to throw it is beyond me. I don't understand why they wouldn't try to push it 2 yards.

They took a gamble and lost. It happens.

[SpursFanFirst]

damn are you guys just gonna be pushed over and cry about 1 lose, mono? their isn't no shame is losing a battle if you can come back to win the war! damn man u gotta defened your team and trust that bill knows what he is doing, you guy have brady THE BEST QB in the mother fucking league! you aint got any reason to worry yet, ur 6-3 and in no way hurting!

Dang. Were you drinking this morning?
Your posts become unreadable and inane by the second.

[doobs]

Going for it on 4th and 2 was not stupid. They would have won the game had they converted. And since Indy could not have won with a FG, he still seemed to trust his defense to protect 28 yards or whatever it was.

But calling a play that results in Faulk trying to catch it near or at the first down marker was REALLY stupid. Have Faulk run a slightly deeper route and give yourself some padding, for crying out loud!

Pete Carroll's call on 4th and 2 against Texas was even stupider, BTW. Why have Bush standing on the sidelines, unable to even be a decoy? Everyone, and I mean EVERYONE, knew you were going to White up the gut on that one, genius!

[LOL texans]

That call of Belicheat, was CLEARLY Peyton being inside his head and owning him. He was afraid to give the ball back to Manning with 2 minutes starting anywhere on the field. The colts could of started at their own 20 and they still would of drove down and scored.

So really it was a smart move by Belicheat, Peyton was going to lead that team to a win no matter what! So why not put it in Brady's hands to keep it away from Peyton....If anything the pats should put the blame on Tom "deadbeat dad" Brady for failing to convert 2 yards.

[mudyez]

looks like I'm the only person on earth, that liked the call!

let me review: for weeks we hear: "they give manning the ball with XX seconds left, so they basically already lost!" and if a coach decides to not give him the ball (or tries to), everyone is beating on him!

I'm not a Pats fan...(I'm a steelers guy)...and if you ask me, which team I'm routing for in that feud, I'd say: Colts all the way, I hate those pats-cheaters and hate, how get are compared to my spurs (steelers are the only team, that makes sense, if any)...so I have no interest to help Belichek...but that call was just right!

whats the difference between Manning going about 70 yards or 29? IMHO it only gives Manning more room to score with a lot of field in front of him. If he wants to get 40 yards on that last drive, he gets it. So he will get to the 30 anyway...maybe even scoring earlier with one deep bomb. if you can stop him, it will be on that last 30 yards, when the field gets tighter.

so Bill decided, to take a rist for that 40 yards. Brady isnt a bad QB last time I checked and I would give him about 40-50% chance of getting the first down (actually higher, but thats more coz I fear him)...but if he does, the game is basically over...if he doenst Manning has lets say 50% to get that TD...while he would have gotten it from that 70yard line as well...maybe by 30%...maybe someone feels that numbers are not right, but I think however you turn it, Bill gave his team the best chance to win it...its not like the Colts only needed a FG and you hand them the ball in FG-range!

Only downside...and I agree, that its a major one...ist, that he showed no trust in his defense. but even there he has a chance, that they say: hell, we show him, waht we are capable of.
and I think, its a wise team of grown men...so they understand someone rather having Manning stay on the sideline than getting the ball!

to conclude: I liked that call and think, everyone would have celebrated Belicheck if it had worked out.

I'm really courious about bill simmons reaction!

[Whisky Dog]

Pussies. I give him props for having the balls to go for the throat and ice the game away. You punt to Peyton in that situation and he rapes your defense anyway. It's what he does, it's his game if you give him the ball back.

[lefty]

It's Tuesday afternoon and I'm still pissed.



Fuck you Billy

[SpursFanFirst]

I'm really courious about bill simmons reaction!

Here's a link to the Simmons vent audio.
I haven't listened to it, but I'm sure he was fired up.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espnradio/player?id=4659869

[Whisky Dog]

Bill simmons is all talk no huevos. Typical new englander

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Nice sigs on the first two posts :lmao


lol Raiders

[Thunder Dan]

Everyone everywhere is upset about Belliceck going for it, and losing the game. But why is the game a big deal? They basically kicked the shit out of the Colts in their own stadium for 45 minutes. The Patriots will win the division regardless of whether they won last night or lost. Last night didn't really matter, and like last night showed, home field doesn't really matter either because the Pats could beat the Colts at home.

So they went for it, they lost, but does it really matter? No it doesn't because it's November.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Everyone everywhere is upset about Belliceck going for it, and losing the game. But why is the game a big deal? They basically kicked the shit out of the Colts in their own stadium for 45 minutes. The Patriots will win the division regardless of whether they won last night or lost. Last night didn't really matter, and like last night showed, home field doesn't really matter either because the Pats could beat the Colts at home.

So they went for it, they lost, but does it really matter? No it doesn't because it's November.

Personally, I think a first round bye is pretty important in the AFC. After last night New England has to basically win out to have a shot at one.

[monosylab1k]

I'm not worried about the Steelers or Chargers (Pats own both of those teams). The Bengals might be trouble, but really the Colts are the big threat to NE. Getting HFA over them in the playoffs was essential. The Patriots are a great bad weather team, and the Colts just aren't. Pats-Colts in Foxborough in January is a huge advantage for New England. After pissing that game away last night, there's no way it happens.

Colts win it all this year because Bill Belichick is a dumbass.

[HarlemHeat37]

the top AFC teams are really relatively weak this year, strange to see..

Patriots' defense sucks, Colts are perennial chokers that found a way to win ONCE even though they're ALWAYS favored to win, the Bengals are a good team that doesn't have enough to win a SB this year IMO..a healthy Pittsburgh is the favorite IMO, but they're always inconsistent as fuck..

nobody else is a real contender, especially not San Diego..

[san antonio spurs]

I'm not worried about the Steelers or Chargers (Pats own both of those teams). The Bengals might be trouble, but really the Colts are the big threat to NE. Getting HFA over them in the playoffs was essential. The Patriots are a great bad weather team, and the Colts just aren't. Pats-Colts in Foxborough in January is a huge advantage for New England. After pissing that game away last night, there's no way it happens.

Colts win it all this year because Bill Belichick is a dumbass.

Quit whinning you are starting to sound pathetic. If they make that play you'd be making threads calling him a genius. You make me laugh.

For years of following Belichick and the way the game went, I wasn't surprised one bit, and to be honest, I was pleased with the guts he showed. You better put the ball in your playmakers hands.

[Duff McCartney]

Just a question mono...why would you say Tony Dungy is a 2x SB Champion. He only won one.

[monosylab1k]

If they make that play you'd be making threads calling him a genius. You make me laugh.

Do you fucking read? I said early on in this thread that the second I saw they were going for it, I thought it was a monumentally stupid decision. Whether they converted or not, that changes nothing. It was a monumentally stupid decision either way.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

If they make that play you'd be making threads calling him a genius.


If my uncle had a pussy, he'd be my aunt. The fact is they didn't convert, so Belichick is a moron. Simple as that.

[SpursFanFirst]

the top AFC teams are really relatively weak this year, strange to see..

Patriots' defense sucks, Colts are perennial chokers that found a way to win ONCE even though they're ALWAYS favored to win, the Bengals are a good team that doesn't have enough to win a SB this year IMO..a healthy Pittsburgh is the favorite IMO, but they're always inconsistent as fuck..

nobody else is a real contender, especially not San Diego..

You sound a little bitter there, Denver fan.

[SpursFanFirst]

Just a question mono...why would you say Tony Dungy is a 2x SB Champion. He only won one.

Mono's sig is the result of a bet with JT...
Tony Dungy IS a 2x SB champ - once as a player, once as a coach.

[HarlemHeat37]

You sound a little bitter there, Denver fan.

no no..I don't hate any of the teams I mentioned other than San Diego..just saying, none of those teams have impressed me so far..

[J.T.]

He only won one.

As a coach.

[lefty]

the top AFC teams are really relatively weak this year, strange to see..

Patriots' defense sucks, Colts are perennial chokers that found a way to win ONCE even though they're ALWAYS favored to win, the Bengals are a good team that doesn't have enough to win a SB this year IMO..a healthy Pittsburgh is the favorite IMO, but they're always inconsistent as fuck..

nobody else is a real contender, especially not San Diego..

Steelers

[Greg Oden]

Dipshit, did you even read that post?

[rascal]

No you punt it and make Peyton drive down the field. You trust your defense. That 4th down play negated any of those situations.

Not a bad call at all. That was an offensive game and the Colts would have marched right down the field and scored if they punted it. the patriots get the first down they win. If they made it you would be calling it a brilliant move. It was a gamble that didn't work out.

They did not deserve to win if they could not get that first down. Maroney screwed up the victory with that goal line fumble.

You give the ball to Manning anywhere on the field you lose that game.

[rascal]

If my uncle had a pussy, he'd be my aunt. The fact is they didn't convert, so Belichick is a moron. Simple as that.

It was a good call. You play like a conservative pussy by punting it . You go for the win by getting those two yards. Can't do it then you deserve to lose but at least go for it.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Patriots' defense sucks


It got tired at the end of the game because of several injuries that left them with virtually no players to sub in and out, but for three quarters it played well. In the 4th quarter 14 of Indy's 21 points were because of the stupid soft zone prevent Peyton shredded quickly, a bullshit pass interference call, and being left with less than 30 yards to defend. The defense by no means sucks. WAY better than it was in 2007. Hopefully this was a one time thing and BB hasn't actually lost his mind.

I'm a little pissed NE didn't go after LJ at all. Maroney sucks royally, the way the offense is right now they've got no way to close games with the run. I'll take LJ's off the field issues if it means he'll be a good downhill runner instead of run for a yard or two and then find a place to fall down like Maroney does.

[rascal]

Quit whinning you are starting to sound pathetic. If they make that play you'd be making threads calling him a genius. You make me laugh.

For years of following Belichick and the way the game went, I wasn't surprised one bit, and to be honest, I was pleased with the guts he showed. You better put the ball in your playmakers hands.

Agree. That was an explosive offensive game and the patriots were not going to stop Mannning. Manning is on fire now and would have marched right down the field and scored then this jackass would be complaining on why they did not try to get the first down.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Agree. That was an explosive offensive game and the patriots were not going to stop Mannning. Manning is on fire now and would have marched right down the field and scored then this jackass would be complaining on why they did not try to get the first down.


Listen to how retarded you sound. You're saying I'd be complaining that NE didn't go for it inside their own 30 yard line? For almost the entire game, NE's defense had been doing a great job. Indy had 14 points entering the 4th quarter. Before New England decided to go into their soft zone prevent D, Peyton looked horrible. You give the D a chance.

[san antonio spurs]

Listen to how retarded you sound. You're saying I'd be complaining that NE didn't go for it inside their own 30 yard line? For almost the entire game, NE's defense had been doing a great job. Indy had 14 points entering the 4th quarter. Before New England decided to go into their soft zone prevent D, Peyton looked horrible. You give the D a chance.

Few things I'd like to point out

Regarding our defense:
It's true the defense brought pressure on MANNING during the first three quarters and caused some 3 and out. However, most of those were due to Indy's WRS dropping balls they normally catch 9 out of 10. Let's not overrate NE defense.
Peyton's interceptions are misleading also because one was abnormal release (a really duck) and the other was a miscommunication with WAYNE. To tell you the truth, being a pats fan I never thought during the game that our D was owning the colts offense. I was well aware that we caught many breaks. I was still nervous in case of a close game because let's face it, Peyton ain't the chocke artist he used to be. The proof was that he just marched down the field in one min without using a timeout and scored a TD. You can't give him the ball with 2+min and all his timeouts. No matter where he starts he was going to score.

Our offense on the other hand was in full control the whole game. Our playmakers are on that side of the team. When I saw Tom Brady lobby to stay on the field for that 4th down I was hoping Belichik would agree. It was our reasonnable chance of winning the game.
The playcall on the other hand is questionnable because the play called has to give you at least one more yard than you need. it's football 101.

All in all, I'm happy with the decision to go for it on 4th down once more if we ever face Manning again and the game is close, and time running out.

[jack sommerset]

Wasn't that bad. He had a hall of famer throwing the ball. Plus I think it was a first down.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Few things I'd like to point out

Regarding our defense:
It's true the defense brought pressure on MANNING during the first three quarters and caused some 3 and out. However, most of those were due to Indy's WRS dropping balls they normally catch 9 out of 10. Let's not overrate NE defense.
Peyton's interceptions are misleading also because one was abnormal release (a really duck) and the other was a miscommunication with WAYNE. To tell you the truth, being a pats fan I never thought during the game that our D was owning the colts offense. I was well aware that we caught many breaks. I was still nervous in case of a close game because let's face it, Peyton ain't the chocke artist he used to be. The proof was that he just marched down the field in one min without using a timeout and scored a TD. You can't give him the ball with 2+min and all his timeouts. No matter where he starts he was going to score.

Our offense on the other hand was in full control the whole game. Our playmakers are on that side of the team. When I saw Tom Brady lobby to stay on the field for that 4th down I was hoping Belichik would agree. It was our reasonnable chance of winning the game.
The playcall on the other hand is questionnable because the play called has to give you at least one more yard than you need. it's football 101.

All in all, I'm happy with the decision to go for it on 4th down once more if we ever face Manning again and the game is close, and time running out.

Sorry, didn't know you were a Pats fan. If that's your legitimate opinion then your entitled to it (although I disagree). I thought you were someone who hates the Pats and was just arguing the opposite of what Pats fans thought for the hell of it.

[J.T.]

Plus I think it was a first down.

It wasn't, but if you need a support group, Dan Wetzel and Deion Sanders are already heading one up.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Wasn't that bad. He had a hall of famer throwing the ball. Plus I think it was a first down.


Then that only magnifies how dumb Belichick was for burning two timeouts killing any ability to challenge.

[SpursFanFirst]

Few things I'd like to point out

Regarding our defense:
It's true the defense brought pressure on MANNING during the first three quarters and caused some 3 and out. However, most of those were due to Indy's WRS dropping balls they normally catch 9 out of 10. Let's not overrate NE defense.
Peyton's interceptions are misleading also because one was abnormal release (a really duck) and the other was a miscommunication with WAYNE. To tell you the truth, being a pats fan I never thought during the game that our D was owning the colts offense. I was well aware that we caught many breaks. I was still nervous in case of a close game because let's face it, Peyton ain't the chocke artist he used to be. The proof was that he just marched down the field in one min without using a timeout and scored a TD. You can't give him the ball with 2+min and all his timeouts. No matter where he starts he was going to score.

Our offense on the other hand was in full control the whole game. Our playmakers are on that side of the team. When I saw Tom Brady lobby to stay on the field for that 4th down I was hoping Belichik would agree. It was our reasonnable chance of winning the game.
The playcall on the other hand is questionnable because the play called has to give you at least one more yard than you need. it's football 101.

All in all, I'm happy with the decision to go for it on 4th down once more if we ever face Manning again and the game is close, and time running out.

You absolutely hit the nail on the head. It's refreshing to see this side of the argument from a Pats fan.

[san antonio spurs]

You absolutely hit the nail on the head. It's refreshing to see this side of the argument from a Pats fan.

I rarely watch a game with homer glasses on. And the way the game went, our best option was to win it with our offense.
My thought process (and probably Belichick's as well) was:

- Our defense is gassed and Peyton just marched the whole field and scored a touchdown in 1min without using any timeout. If we punt the ball, he will go the whole field again, score a touchdown... and we won't have time to respond.
- on the other hand, our offense hasn't been stopped by the colts all night and totalled 400 something yards. It will get 2 or 3 more yards. If by any bad luck they fail to make it, let the colts score quickly and be up by 1. Then Tom brady and friends have the ball with 2 min left to be in FG range and win the game.
What killed us is that kid Wilwhite stopped Addai at the 1 yard line when he was about to score thus allowing the colts to take the whole time off

If Addai scores there, the ball is for NE with enough time to be in FG range and win it. Again, I say it was the right call to go for it.

[SpursFanFirst]

There were some interesting soundbites with Belichick in response to the critics.
Basically, he said he makes calls that will benefit the team, and obviously with the hopes of winning the game.
He honestly felt like that decision was for the best.

When asked if he'd make that decision again, he said, "you only get one chance." He left it at that.

[san antonio spurs]

There were some interesting soundbites with Belichick in response to the critics.
Basically, he said he makes calls that will benefit the team, and obviously with the hopes of winning the game.
He honestly felt like that decision was for the best.

When asked if he'd make that decision again, he said, "you only get one chance." He left it at that.

I'd make the same decision in the same situation.

[lefty]

Bump :lol

[san antonio spurs]

This is the worst a Belichick's defense has looked in a while. Either he didn't prepare them or is failing to adjust. We have to run a cover 3 now, for the rest of the game, or a dime coverage

[J.T.]

All this really proves is Belichick was right to go for it on 4th and 2 'cause Manning would have beat him anyway. He was in the zone at the end of that game and Brees was in the zone tonight. It's hard to beat great players when they get in a rhythm like that.

That or going for it on 4th and 2 destroyed his defense's confidence and this is what they've become.