Nocioni to Boston?

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Where do we turn next for our NBA trade chatter now that Stephen Jackson has been moved. We're hearing of a potential new three-way deal


Word is this is an exploratory discussion at the minute, but the key elements would be Nocioni to BOS, Dalembert to SAC, Cap Relief to PHI


Particulars as they stood early Tuesday AM, with Kenny Thomas representing the potential cap relief, found here http://tinyurl.com/ygez4nw

[AussieFanKurt]

christ, that'd be a random trade

[Danny.Zhu]

Boston will be unbeatable...

[FlAVaK]

Well, something is missing in this rumor:
Boston has to give up some "cap relief" too!
I don`t see them moving House and Tony Allen,
that leaves Scalabrine and one of the above
plus a small contract to match the salaries.

And Bonner/Finley or Mason >>> Scalabrine/T. Allen or House

[MB20]

Glad for Nocioni.
Boston would be even better defensively. Now that´s scary.

[benefactor]

Everyone is playing for second if this trade goes down.

[urunobili]

:depressed

[InK]

Wow, if this actually happens...

[ginobili's bald spot]

This won't happen.

[ffadicted]

Fuck this, that trade better not go down

[xtremesteven33]

Nocioni a tad overrated dont you think..?

[Mel_13]

While acquiring Nocioni would make the Celts deeper, I'm not sure how much better they would be. They're already playing a nine man rotation which does not include any of the players rumored to be leaving in this trade.

The 3/4 positions right now are manned by Pierce, Garnett, Daniels, and Wallace. Does taking a few minutes from each of those players to carve out a role for Nocioni really make the Celts a better team? Of course, they could give him all of Shelden Williams' minutes and move Sheed to backup center and Noc to backup PF. Again, does that make them better?

Now if Garnett goes down again, having Nocioni helps cushion the loss. Seems like a steep price for some extra depth.

[Kyle Orton]

christ, that'd be a random trade
You're an idiot.

[Dex]

Boston doesn't need to get any better.

[JamStone]

Noce and Sheed together? Friends? Brothers from another mother?

The dirty duo? Nuts and Noce? Elbows-a-Plenty? Technical foullowers? Noce-y-Wally-wally? Douche-douche? The Argentine and the arguing negro? Must love refs?

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Noce and Sheed together? Friends? Brothers from another mother?

The dirty duo? Nuts and Noce? Elbows-a-Plenty? Technical foullowers? Noce-y-Wally-wally? Douche-douche? The Argentine and the arguing negro? Must love refs?


some of those you were reaching but :lmao @ Nuts and Noce

[Chieflion]

I don't know why the Kings would give up Nocioni and take Dalembert. No, just terrible. 76ers get cap relief if they ditch Dalembert. Why is the 76ers even in the deal? Just cut them out and the Kings should just deal with the Celtics indidvidually.

[JamStone]

I thought I was reaching on all of them actually

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

I don't know why the Kings would give up Nocioni and take Dalembert. No, just terrible. 76ers get cap relief if they ditch Dalembert. Why is the 76ers even in the deal? Just cut them out and the Kings should just deal with the Celtics indidvidually.

From what it looks like the Kings are going to try and make a push for the playoffs, this is the 2nd rumor in which they're trying to give cap relief for a big man.

Ironic that for years the Kings were trying to unload Kenny Thomas' contract, and now that it's expiring they're willing to trade it for a bloated contract. IMO it's stupid, the youngsters on Sactown, mainly Evans, Thompson, Hawes, Casspi, and Greene are all playing well. They've done a great job so far in rebuilding mode and have a good long term outlook, why not let that contract expire for more cap flexibility rather than clog up their cap just to become a mediocre team?

[urunobili]

http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/chat/_/id/29500

Chad Ford currently answering questions about the possible trade...

[Chillen]

Have to agree, Boston getting Nocioni would make them scary deep and every other team in the NBA would be playing second fiddle to Boston. If the Lakers get back to the NBA finals and Boston is there, forget it LA.

[angelbelow]

wow.. wtf

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Hopefully for Boston they're not giving Shelden Williams in the deal. He's been their best big man (and player for that matter) so far off the bench. Regardless of whether or not they get Nocioni Sheed needs to do more for them than chuck threes.

[rjv]

why the hell would philly do this? just for cap relief ?

[mogrovejo]

While acquiring Nocioni would make the Celts deeper, I'm not sure how much better they would be. They're already playing a nine man rotation which does not include any of the players rumored to be leaving in this trade.

The 3/4 positions right now are manned by Pierce, Garnett, Daniels, and Wallace. Does taking a few minutes from each of those players to carve out a role for Nocioni really make the Celts a better team? Of course, they could give him all of Shelden Williams' minutes and move Sheed to backup center and Noc to backup PF. Again, does that make them better?

Now if Garnett goes down again, having Nocioni helps cushion the loss. Seems like a steep price for some extra depth.

Nocioni would help the Cs to match small-lineups much better and to have backup wing able to defend bigger SFs (Daniels is relatively small).

Then they could have a nine man rotation of starters + House + Daniels + Nocioni + Sheed. Third stringers: Hudson + Walker + Glen Davis + Shelden Williams.

This trade isn't happening though. (Right now... who knows when most of the salary of Scal+Tony Allen+Filler is already paid by Boston...)

[rayray2k8]

The celtics aren't getting kobe here people.. Calm the fuck down. :rolleyes

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

The celtics aren't getting kobe here people.. Calm the fuck down. :rolleyes

[Spursmania]

I like Nocioni! I wanted him in a Spur uniform.:(

[Spursmania]

The celtics aren't getting kobe here people.. Calm the fuck down. :rolleyes

No Kobe comparison at all. That would be ridiculous, but man I would like to see him with the Spurs.

[HarlemHeat37]

There's no role player that can make a team "unbeatable"..

the NBA is a star's league..if KG doesn't play like an all-star, they're going to lose..same with Pierce, and same with Allen most of the time..

Nocioni adds depth, but he doesn't guarantee anything at all, he's just a role player, even though he's a good one..

[JamStone]

Role players might not make a team unbeatable, but they can be the difference, especially if that role player is being added to a team with multiple superstars. You Spurs fans know all about that with a guy like Bruce Bowen. Look at the difference a guy like James Posey did on two different teams. Rasheed had a "star" name but played as a role player on the Pistons.

A role player can absolutely be the difference between winning it all and not winning it all. Might not be the main or biggest reason, but he could be the difference.

[HarlemHeat37]

Of course they make a difference, a HUGE difference..that wasn't my point though..a role player can never make a team "unbeatable", especially when it's a guy like Nocioni, not even a top-tier guy..

Also, I highly doubt this trade is going to happen..Sacramento wasting their huge dump contract for Dalembert would be ridiculous..

[hater]

There's no role player that can make a team "unbeatable"..

the NBA is a star's league..if KG doesn't play like an all-star, they're going to lose..same with Pierce, and same with Allen most of the time..

Nocioni adds depth, but he doesn't guarantee anything at all, he's just a role player, even though he's a good one..

whaddup biatch

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[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

whaddup biatch

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As key as he was SA doesn't win in 2005 without Duncan and Ginobili playing the way they did against Detroit. Nocioni does help them, but still, Boston's biggest question mark is what do Pierce KG and Ray have left.

[hater]

I am not even comparing Nocioni to Horry.

just saying that Horry helped the 00-03 lakers, 05,07 spurs be unbeatable. So there are role players that can take a team over the top.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

I am not even comparing Nocioni to Horry.

just saying that Horry helped the 00-03 lakers, 05,07 spurs be unbeatable. So there are role players that can take a team over the top.


In that sense I agree.

[bostonguy]

It won't happen.

Even if it does, big fucking deal. He would add depth but this teams fate is going to depend on the Boston three party's health.

[JamStone]

Of course they make a difference, a HUGE difference..that wasn't my point though..a role player can never make a team "unbeatable", especially when it's a guy like Nocioni, not even a top-tier guy..

Also, I highly doubt this trade is going to happen..Sacramento wasting their huge dump contract for Dalembert would be ridiculous..

You can say that about any single player, even megastar player. LeBron alone can't make a team unbeatable. Michael Jordan alone couldn't make a team unbeatable. Wilt alone couldn't either. Your point is pretty much common sense.

Of course Nocioni or any other role player isn't going to make a team unbeatable. But, a role player can be the decisive difference.

[mogrovejo]

The Celtics wouldn't have won in 08 if Tony Allen or Scalabrine were playing Posey's minutes. Role-players can be and frequently are decisive.

[crc21209]

What I wanna know is why in the hell would Sacramento and Philly do this trade anyway? All they're doing is helping Boston and not even benefiting themselves that much. I mean...Scalabrine? Really?!?

[mogrovejo]

What I wanna know is why in the hell would Sacramento and Philly do this trade anyway? All they're doing is helping Boston and not even benefiting themselves that much. I mean...Scalabrine? Really?!?

It's not a talent for talent trade. I mean, Kurt Thomas for Richard Jefferson? Really?!?

[HarlemHeat37]

You can say that about any single player, even megastar player. LeBron alone can't make a team unbeatable. Michael Jordan alone couldn't make a team unbeatable. Wilt alone couldn't either. Your point is pretty much common sense.

Of course Nocioni or any other role player isn't going to make a team unbeatable. But, a role player can be the decisive difference.

My point was common sense, but it was in response to the people that were saying the Celtics were going to unbeatable if they get him..so I said if for a reason..

I disagree with your first comment though..if you add a Lebron/Kobe/Wade/Paul/Howard/Duncan/Anthony or whoever to the Celtics, I would argue that they would be a lock for the title..so it is possible..

[JamStone]

My point was common sense, but it was in response to the people that were saying the Celtics were going to unbeatable if they get him..so I said if for a reason..

I disagree with your first comment though..if you add a Lebron/Kobe/Wade/Paul/Howard/Duncan/Anthony or whoever to the Celtics, I would argue that they would be a lock for the title..so it is possible..

Because of who the Celtics already have on the team, not because of Lebron/Kobe/Wade/Paul/Howard/Duncan/Anthony. You add any of those players to the New York Knicks, the Knicks would not be a lock for the title.

That's why if you add the right role player (not a superstar) to a team filled with superstars and the right pieces, that role player can similarly be the difference.

It's not on one individual player, role player or superstar.

[HarlemHeat37]

I know..that was never my point..

my point was that adding a player like Nocioni would never make a team unbeatable, which was what some people on the 1st page were saying..I never said he wouldn't make a difference, my point was that there's no way he would make their team more of an elite juggernaut than it is..

[iggypop123]

sacramento. who is running that team. are they stupid? why take on a horrific contract

[Chieflion]

From what it looks like the Kings are going to try and make a push for the playoffs, this is the 2nd rumor in which they're trying to give cap relief for a big man.

Ironic that for years the Kings were trying to unload Kenny Thomas' contract, and now that it's expiring they're willing to trade it for a bloated contract. IMO it's stupid, the youngsters on Sactown, mainly Evans, Thompson, Hawes, Casspi, and Greene are all playing well. They've done a great job so far in rebuilding mode and have a good long term outlook, why not let that contract expire for more cap flexibility rather than clog up their cap just to become a mediocre team?
I know Westphal is a good coach, but Nocioni >>>> Dalembert. Push for playoffs, as if. Kevin Martin traded for lottery picks or send him to Utah may be a start for a complete rebuild. By the time Evans is 26, Martin is 32. If they want big 2011 contracts, Kirilenko is that way. If they are looking towards 2010, Boozer is also there. They also have their Utah pick, Eric Maynor, the Knicks unprotected guaranteed top 5 lottery pick. Trading Martin to the Jazz would also help the Jazz to get their legit starting shooting guard relieving their need of a go-to scorer down the stretch.

[duhoh]

backing up PP isn't too bad. but will he be able to cope?

[Manu'sMagicalLeftHand]

Nocioni got a DNP against the Bulls.

Is the injury real or the trade is done?