Creatine.

[Cry Havoc]

Just curious if anyone has had any experience with the product (esp. since we do have a few athletes or former athletes here).

I'm looking to gain some muscle mass, so I bought some last night from GNC, powdered unflavored formula.

Not looking to get HUGE, just show a noticeable increase in size.

[lefty]

Well, just respect the recommended dose 5 mg/day

You can do a loading phase: lile take 20 mg/days for a few weeks, then 5mg, then cycle again.

It will make you thirsty for sure, so you will have to drink a shitload of water

You will also look fat t he beginning; but it's just bloating (water retention); however, not everyone gets bloated becasue of creatine

[Cry Havoc]

Yeah, I've done quite a bit of research before deciding it's worth a go. I run a lot so hopefully I won't pick up any weight.

[ginobili's bald spot]

It's not that big of a deal. It's not like you are just going to wake up one day and be jacked because you took creatine. :lol It's likely that you will hardly notice any benefit at all. But it does have a benefit albeit a small one. And since it's dirt cheap it's well worth taking.

[Cry Havoc]

It's not that big of a deal. It's not like you are just going to wake up one day and be jacked because you took creatine. :lol It's likely that you will hardly notice any benefit at all. But it does have a benefit albeit a small one. And since it's dirt cheap it's well worth taking.

Well, my goal is to look more built and athletic by the end of the winter. I'm trying to keep my goals realistic. :lol

[koriwhat]

Well, my goal is to look more built and athletic by the end of the winter. I'm trying to keep my goals realistic. :lol

you are only running though? doesn't that just make you more toned and lean instead of built or bulky?

i'm so lean as it is now that i am taking protein shakes to gain mass. i don't do any cardio except bball when i get a chance to play.

[Cry Havoc]

you are only running though? doesn't that just make you more toned and lean instead of built or bulky?

i'm so lean as it is now that i am taking protein shakes to gain mass. i don't do any cardio except bball when i get a chance to play.

No no, I'm starting a weightlifting regimen. I have a pretty good muscle base to start with, but I want to gain mass. I'm running to counter the effects of the water retention. :hat

[ginobili's bald spot]

Well, my goal is to look more built and athletic by the end of the winter. I'm trying to keep my goals realistic. :lol

As long as you lift heavy and eat enough to facilitate growth you should be well on your way to achieving that goal. Just keep in mind that you can't build a house without any bricks. So eat! :toast

[thispego]

why not just take steroids? they're both cheating. what's with the need for immediate gratification in this country?

[ATRAIN]

Havoc, make sure you find one the tastes decent. All the ones I tried by EAS tasted like shit. Shit also made me shake uncontrollably. I hated the feeling, it was like drinking 10 redbulls. I did however lift a lot more during that period so I dont know if it was mental or it gives you more energy to get over the hump.

[ginobili's bald spot]

why not just take steroids? they're both cheating. what's with the need for immediate gratification in this country?

:lol Cheating? How is it "cheating"?

[holcs50]

well Im pretty knowledgeable about creatine. I'm guessing you just got some cheap creatine monohydrate from gnc....that's fine...mix 5g after your workout each day. No need to load, it's a waste, you balance out anyways in the end. To do list for starting creatine

1. Stay consistent with lifting....don't skip like 3/4 days, even 2 days in a row...creatine will work if you put in the time
2. Drink water, drink more water, and even drink more water.
3. In the end to get bigger you need to raise your calorie count...eat clean foods if you want to gain good weight
4. Creatine will make you gain weight in your lifts and in muscle size...but if your just starting to lift I recommend you lift for at least a week or 2 or more without creatine...let your body gain without anything. Beginners lift gains usually are huge-you should figure out where your at first before creatine

Thus you can see the effects of creatine and let your body get used to lifting weights CONSISTENTLY first.

In the end creatine is a good product for people who are serious about lifting. Not like body builder serious, but serious meaning your going to lift weights at least 3 times a week-preferable 4-6. Also, you need to take creatine even on days you don't lift weights, it is a product that needs to be consistently taken. Taking a few days off of it will make it worthless. GL, it's not that big of deal, creatine is taken by pretty much every athlete just know if you want to see the effects of it your going to have to lift, eat, drink water. Thats all hope it helps

[resistanze]

:lol Cheating? How is it "cheating"?

Food is cheating too.

[ginobili's bald spot]

well Im pretty knowledgeable about creatine. I'm guessing you just got some cheap creatine monohydrate from gnc....that's fine...mix 5g after your workout each day. No need to load, it's a waste, you balance out anyways in the end. To do list for starting creatine

1. Stay consistent with lifting....don't skip like 3/4 days, even 2 days in a row...creatine will work if you put in the time
2. Drink water, drink more water, and even drink more water.
3. In the end to get bigger you need to raise your calorie count...eat clean foods if you want to gain good weight
4. Creatine will make you gain weight in your lifts and in muscle size...but if your just starting to lift I recommend you lift for at least a week or 2 or more without creatine...let your body gain without anything. Beginners lift gains usually are huge-you should figure out where your at first before creatine

Thus you can see the effects of creatine and let your body get used to lifting weights CONSISTENTLY first.

In the end creatine is a good product for people who are serious about lifting. Not like body builder serious, but serious meaning your going to lift weights at least 3 times a week-preferable 4-6. Also, you need to take creatine even on days you don't lift weights, it is a product that needs to be consistently taken. Taking a few days off of it will make it worthless. GL, it's not that big of deal, creatine is taken by pretty much every athlete just know if you want to see the effects of it your going to have to lift, eat, drink water. Thats all hope it helps


Good post except for the bolded parts. You only need to take it after a workout. And the beginner part is pretty irrelevant. You are exactly right about loading though. It's not necessary.

[eyeh8u]

Good post except for the bolded parts. You only need to take it after a workout. And the beginner part is pretty irrelevant. You are exactly right about loading though. It's not necessary.

thats just your opinion, unless you have scientific facts and definitive studies to back up what you say, dont tell someone they are wrong.

[ginobili's bald spot]

thats just your opinion, unless you have scientific facts and definitive studies to back up what you say, dont tell someone they are wrong.


And it's just his opinion. Do you have scientific studies to prove me wrong? The difference is, I get paid good money to give my opinions on these matters. Do you? I don't just pull stuff out of my ass simply for the sake of upping my post count.

[eyeh8u]

And it's just his opinion. Do you have scientific studies to prove me wrong? The difference is, I get paid good money to give my opinions on these matters. Do you? I don't just pull stuff out of my ass simply for the sake of upping my post count.

YOU get paid! omg are you serious, wow you must know more than anyone else, only the fat indian guy that works at the gnc can compare to your knowledge.

You also didn't get my point, you told the other dude the bold part in his post was wrong, you never say in "my opinion", or something of that nature. If you get paid so much for your opinion you should know that scientific studies in field of weight/strength training are limited and many times contradictory, its funny how scientists and doctors dont really spend too much helping meatheads gain an extra pound of muscle and are instead concentrating on curing diseases. If you get paid so much then you should know that at the end of reputable articles people have "references" to help validate their opinion, something you didnt do. its not about what you said its about how you said it.

but thats just my humble opinion, i dont get paid like you, i only have a 142 iq, and am beginning work on a PhD in January.

[thispego]

:lol Cheating? How is it "cheating"?

you're putting a substance in your body that makes your muscles appear larger. seems pretty obvious to me

[thispego]

Food is cheating too.

no, eating more and eating healthier is the natural way to go about it.

[thispego]

but thats just my humble opinion, i dont get paid like you, i only have a 142 iq, and am beginning work on a PhD in January.

CROFL! that just makes you sound more dumb :lol

[Cry Havoc]

why not just take steroids?

Because I value my testicles.


they're both cheating.

How is it cheating? Cheating at what? It's endorsed by the NCAA so even if I was in college athletics it's legit.


what's with the need for immediate gratification in this country?


Well, my goal is to look more built and athletic by the end of the winter.

[thispego]

[thispego;3844361]why not just take steroids

Because I value my testicles.



How is it cheating? Cheating at what? It's endorsed by the NCAA so even if I was in college athletics it's legit.

yeah, liposuction and lap-band procedures are legit, too, but you're still altering your appearance by unnatural means, by taking short-cuts.

No big deal, you can do it however you want, I just think people would get more out of their effort by not cutting corners.

[Cry Havoc]

but you're still altering your appearance by unnatural means, by taking short-cuts.

Wow, you are taking short cuts too! All that naturally produced creatine in your muscles! You're cheating! :lol

[Blake]

creatine is just an opinion. evolutine has been proven.

[Nash2TimeMVp]

lol guess eating meat and drinking milk is cheating too since it contains creatine.

[ginobili's bald spot]

You also didn't get my point, you told the other dude the bold part in his post was wrong, you never say in "my opinion", or something of that nature. If you get paid so much for your opinion you should know that scientific studies in field of weight/strength training are limited and many times contradictory, its funny how scientists and doctors dont really spend too much helping meatheads gain an extra pound of muscle and are instead concentrating on curing diseases. If you get paid so much then you should know that at the end of reputable articles people have "references" to help validate their opinion, something you didnt do. its not about what you said its about how you said it.

but thats just my humble opinion, i dont get paid like you, i only have a 142 iq, and am beginning work on a PhD in January.



There is a lot of hostility in your replies. Why are you so emotional? It might be time to get your estrogen levels checked brah, you remind me of a female. Anyways, I must have missed where I was writing an article and everyone was citing references at the end of their posts. When did that happen? When did that become the standard for replies in this thread? I was simply trying to help the OP by sharing knowledge with him that I have gained through real world experience. Take it or leave it I really don't give a shit. You also went on to contradict yourself when you mentioned that studies in strength training are limited and often contradictory. So to sum up your post, I should cite limited and contradictory studies in order to validate my opinion. :lol Well thanks for the pointless hissy fit. That was very productive. All that bawwwing because I didn't say in my opinion. :lol


And :lmao seriously, did you just cite your iq? You are such an e-badass.


But that's just my humble opinion. I'm only 7'3 400 lbs at 2% body fat with an iq of 170 and a 15 inch cock that I fuck supermodels with every night in the back of my Bentley limousine...... Oh yea and I want to be a Doctor when I grow up too.

[EmptyMan]

If you have any money leftover after buying all the protein you should be eating.

[Cry Havoc]

I'am not saying creatine is cheating cause it's NOT IMO but your body makes testosterone also but injecting it is cheating...

High levels of testosterone do bad things to your system. Creatine doesn't completely alter your body's chemistry. It just helps your muscles operate more efficiently.

Kind of like putting alcohol vs. octane boost into a gas tank. One gives you fireworks and then an explosion, the other just makes the car run better (provided you have a high output engine).

[Cleveland Steamer]

why not just take steroids? they're both cheating. what's with the need for immediate gratification in this country?

listen to Mr. Universe over here. all natural!!!

[thispego]

Wow, you are taking short cuts too! All that naturally produced creatine in your muscles! You're cheating! :lol

oh! haha! :rolleyes naturally produced creatine and creatine you mix in a drink and put into your body are not two completely different things??

[thispego]

lol guess eating meat and drinking milk is cheating too since it contains creatine.

idiots. Natural and Synthetic are not the same thing :rolleyes

[Cant_Be_Faded]

Creatine does make your muscles look bigger but you will be much weaker than someone of equal muscle size that does not use creatine because in the end all it really does is make your muscles retain more water. Hence they look bigger. You really don't get muscle mass from creatine.

So it's like purely a glamor supplement. I'd say you're better off drinking protein shakes.

[thispego]

listen to Mr. Universe over here. all natural!!!

That's right, listen to me, you'll learn something

[thispego]

Creatine does make your muscles look bigger but you will be much weaker than someone of equal muscle size that does not use creatine because in the end all it really does is make your muscles retain more water. Hence they look bigger. You really don't get muscle mass from creatine.

So it's like purely a glamor supplement.

glamour muscles :lmao

[Cant_Be_Faded]

lol

hohhh yeah
:lmao

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

why not just take steroids? they're both cheating. what's with the need for immediate gratification in this country?

Since when have we agreed on things? I'm always on about how instant gratification is a slippery slope, and here you are saying it. :lol

Eat properly, exercise properly, who needs supplements?

I'd stay away from creatine because there have been no long-term studies on its effect on things like suppressing natural creatine production in the body. When there's no long-term science, how can you trust it? I notice a lot of websites that sell the stuff neglect to mention that there's been no long-term studies on the side effects of creatine supplements. Surprise, surprise, eh?

[thispego]

when you're right you're right. you agree with me all the time and you can always be right!

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

when you're right you're right. you agree with me all the time and you can always be right!

...and vice versa. :lol

[thispego]

we'll see who's right next time we disagree. shouldnt take too long

[stretch]

pego is wrong

[thispego]

I can't remember the last time i was wrong.

[Blackjack]

glamour muscles :lmao

Mac, FTW.:lol

[Trainwreck2100]

i'll give you some advice that will guarantee you a better workout




quit shopping at GNC.

[Cry Havoc]

:lol

I wonder how many people commenting on this thread haven't worked out in a month.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

I have. But I'm a science geek, read up on this shit like no other a long ass time ago. What I said earlier is true.

[Cry Havoc]

I have. But I'm a science geek, read up on this shit like no other a long ass time ago. What I said earlier is true.

"True".

Interesting definition. I guess the people who have seen their reps and press go up faster than they were without creatine are just false, then.

[mystargtr34]

Food is cheating too.

:lol

[mystargtr34]

As long as you have the basics.... most important, in order.

1. Protein (Consume 1g of protein for 1g of body weight MINIMUM if you want good gain)
2. Creatine (Make sure you ALWAYS cycle off after a dose, so your body stays 'natural')

After these two you start to get into your hardcore region IMO.

3. Nitric Oxide
4. Test Booster

Basically nitric oxide is a mental focus, energizer. It makes you go nuts in the gym if you take it the right way :lol. Sometime im there for 2 hours, and i just dont wanna leave. It makes you go harder for longer.

Test booster, i probably wouldnt touch if im just starting.

[mystargtr34]

Oh and remember you should eat protein rich foods as part of your general meals so you dont have to force down 5 shakes a day to get the optimum amount of protein :lol.

[mystargtr34]

Since were on the subject, have any of you got some good supplements i could try....

At the moment im on...

Protein - ON Whey 100%
Creatine - Gaspari SizeOn
Nitric Oxide - SuperPump250

Ive never tried test booster, but if anyone has a good one im thinking of starting to look into it...

[holcs50]

As long as you have the basics.... most important, in order.

1. Protein (Consume 1g of protein for 1g of body weight MINIMUM if you want good gain)
2. Creatine (Make sure you ALWAYS cycle off after a dose, so your body stays 'natural')

After these two you start to get into your hardcore region IMO.

3. Nitric Oxide
4. Test Booster

Basically nitric oxide is a mental focus, energizer. It makes you go nuts in the gym if you take it the right way :lol. Sometime im there for 2 hours, and i just dont wanna leave. It makes you go harder for longer.

Test booster, i probably wouldnt touch if im just starting.


+1

This guy knows what he's talking about. Protein plus a multi-vitamin are numero one and two. MV you can get a more all around one or you can just use the mens one a day or whatever-they don't make a huge difference but just as long as your getting necessary vitamins. Protein is essential-that is all im taking right now with an NO product. Take it as soon as you can after your workout-i take a few scoops about 50g. You can take one before also, i dont usually. Creatine is next-it does work as others said its only for glamour-well yes true if you do it the wrong way and do it for a few weeks just to put a little water in your muscle. If you order say 40 servings you should take one a day (5g), then you can keep going on it for i prefer 2 months then take a few weeks off it but keep working out. You won't lose it if your consistent. And it DOES make you lift more trust me-if helped me a ton when i plateau'd at certain weights.

As for beyond that like mystar said NO is good if you feel you need a little energy before your workout and gives you good endurance throughout. Do not even try a test booster-really really bad idea-not needed at all-i strongly advise to stay away.

Really just remember the main things are good food, water, and consistency in the gym with a good workout plan. These are all SUPPLEMENTS for a reason-they are not miracles and hard work is the way to get to where you want. Me personally I just take protein and a MV right now-that's really all you need imo, but creatine does help, just stay consistent with it and use the advise above.

Also, for you guys that do buy supplements, don't go to a gnc store haha. I used to all the time and get RIPPED by their overpriced shit. I'm not pushing this site but its what i use and holy shit if you want to know anything about anything to do with bodybuilding/workouts/supps you can find in on the forums or in the articles-its where i learned everything i know. And the store, wow, you'll get stuff that is like half as cheap than at a gnc store-i recommend ordering from there.

Bodybuilding.com

As for protein like mystar said
ON 100% gold whey is great, gaspari myoplex

creatine
Controlled Labs Green Magnitude (it doesn't make you puffy like other creatines)

NO
CL white flood (this is the only one ive tried though, others prob are as good

MV
CL orange triad is awesome-has everything u need, but like I said its a MV, find a cheap one and go

And havoc i've hit the gym 7 days i a row now ha. Dont worry though, ill prob party hard this upcoming weekend and take like 3 days off from a hangover...stupid but can't deny fun sometimes.

[TDMVPDPOY]

wat sort of diet regime u on? show man whats ur intake?

[ginobili's bald spot]

Ive never tried test booster, but if anyone has a good one im thinking of starting to look into it...

Alpha male.

[holcs50]

wat sort of diet regime u on? show man whats ur intake?

Im really not a calorie counter which a lot of "hardcore" guys are. I just make sure to cut out the little things. I try to just snack on turkey/1 % milk during the day between meals in addition to protein shakes. I usually have turkey/chicken sandwiches and cut out things like mayo, sauces/ranch/etc. I still drink on some weekends (bad, ha, but idc), eat steaks/pizza just in moderation. I do check nutrition content on most foods to make sure the cals from fat arent much over 25% of the total cals. But overall im just in kind of a maintenance stage and trying to gain weight slowly, while cutting fat slowly. Seriously if you just take out the little things that are bad you can improve your diet a lot.

[mystargtr34]

+1

This guy knows what he's talking about. Protein plus a multi-vitamin are numero one and two. MV you can get a more all around one or you can just use the mens one a day or whatever-they don't make a huge difference but just as long as your getting necessary vitamins. Protein is essential-that is all im taking right now with an NO product. Take it as soon as you can after your workout-i take a few scoops about 50g. You can take one before also, i dont usually. Creatine is next-it does work as others said its only for glamour-well yes true if you do it the wrong way and do it for a few weeks just to put a little water in your muscle. If you order say 40 servings you should take one a day (5g), then you can keep going on it for i prefer 2 months then take a few weeks off it but keep working out. You won't lose it if your consistent. And it DOES make you lift more trust me-if helped me a ton when i plateau'd at certain weights.

As for beyond that like mystar said NO is good if you feel you need a little energy before your workout and gives you good endurance throughout. Do not even try a test booster-really really bad idea-not needed at all-i strongly advise to stay away.

Really just remember the main things are good food, water, and consistency in the gym with a good workout plan. These are all SUPPLEMENTS for a reason-they are not miracles and hard work is the way to get to where you want. Me personally I just take protein and a MV right now-that's really all you need imo, but creatine does help, just stay consistent with it and use the advise above.

Also, for you guys that do buy supplements, don't go to a gnc store haha. I used to all the time and get RIPPED by their overpriced shit. I'm not pushing this site but its what i use and holy shit if you want to know anything about anything to do with bodybuilding/workouts/supps you can find in on the forums or in the articles-its where i learned everything i know. And the store, wow, you'll get stuff that is like half as cheap than at a gnc store-i recommend ordering from there.

Bodybuilding.com

As for protein like mystar said
ON 100% gold whey is great, gaspari myoplex

creatine
Controlled Labs Green Magnitude (it doesn't make you puffy like other creatines)

NO
CL white flood (this is the only one ive tried though, others prob are as good

MV
CL orange triad is awesome-has everything u need, but like I said its a MV, find a cheap one and go

And havoc i've hit the gym 7 days i a row now ha. Dont worry though, ill prob party hard this upcoming weekend and take like 3 days off from a hangover...stupid but can't deny fun sometimes.

:toast Good stuff.

Thanks

[mystargtr34]

Alpha male.

Thanks, ive never heard of it though. Who is it by?

Im in Australia, so alot of our shit is watered down compared to your stuff. Even basic NO products like NO Xplode has some of the more potent stuff taken out of it.

Ive been told the best one here is PowerFULL by UPS Labs. What do you think of that one?

[mystargtr34]

Im really not a calorie counter which a lot of "hardcore" guys are. I just make sure to cut out the little things. I try to just snack on turkey/1 % milk during the day between meals in addition to protein shakes. I usually have turkey/chicken sandwiches and cut out things like mayo, sauces/ranch/etc. I still drink on some weekends (bad, ha, but idc), eat steaks/pizza just in moderation. I do check nutrition content on most foods to make sure the cals from fat arent much over 25% of the total cals. But overall im just in kind of a maintenance stage and trying to gain weight slowly, while cutting fat slowly. Seriously if you just take out the little things that are bad you can improve your diet a lot.

No shit, its crazy how much difference it can make. I use to be skinny as and always had a six pack no matter what i ate and drank (chocolate, pizza and soft drinks etc...), but since i started going to the gym and gaining muscle ive started to lose my definition in my ab region. In the last couple of weeks, ive started to cut out a little bit of soft drink and chocolate, and ive already noticed a difference in my abs. I still eat pizza and chocolate and drink coke now and then, but cutting even a little bit out makes a difference.

Alcohol is the worst though :lol

[TDMVPDPOY]

No shit, its crazy how much difference it can make. I use to be skinny as and always had a six pack no matter what i ate and drank (chocolate, pizza and soft drinks etc...), but since i started going to the gym and gaining muscle ive started to lose my definition in my ab region. In the last couple of weeks, ive started to cut out a little bit of soft drink and chocolate, and ive already noticed a difference in my abs. I still eat pizza and chocolate and drink coke now and then, but cutting even a little bit out makes a difference.

Alcohol is the worst though :lol

hey man same,

i was a lanky 5'7 50kgs....

spending 2yrs at home sittin on my ass eating fat food now weight is about 65kgs.....6 abz down to 1 mean lookin ab :D:D it feels good puttin on weight, not its time to cut and add definition to the body

[florige]

No shit, its crazy how much difference it can make. I use to be skinny as and always had a six pack no matter what i ate and drank (chocolate, pizza and soft drinks etc...), but since i started going to the gym and gaining muscle ive started to lose my definition in my ab region. In the last couple of weeks, ive started to cut out a little bit of soft drink and chocolate, and ive already noticed a difference in my abs. I still eat pizza and chocolate and drink coke now and then, but cutting even a little bit out makes a difference.

Alcohol is the worst though :lol




Tequila is actually okay though. Beer is the thing that messes up any diet regime.

[tHe210rObInHoOd]

As long as you have the basics.... most important, in order.

1. Protein (Consume 1g of protein for 1g of body weight MINIMUM if you want good gain)
2. Creatine (Make sure you ALWAYS cycle off after a dose, so your body stays 'natural')

After these two you start to get into your hardcore region IMO.

3. Nitric Oxide
4. Test Booster

Basically nitric oxide is a mental focus, energizer. It makes you go nuts in the gym if you take it the right way :lol. Sometime im there for 2 hours, and i just dont wanna leave. It makes you go harder for longer.

Test booster, i probably wouldnt touch if im just starting.

I've tried tons of different supplements and all of them seem to yield different results:

For a pre-workout drink I've tried:
1) No-Xplode (Blue) - It is probably my favorite; however, it will make you go to the bathroom within 10 minutes of drinking it, but you will have super energy and great concentration at the gym. The taste is actually pretty good, but the more you take it the less energy you will receive b/c your body will get use to it.
2) SuperPump 250 (Blue) - This is a less intense "No-Xplode." What i mean by less intensive is it doesn't make your stomach hurt as bad. I acutally just ordered some more of this, because I wanted to cycle off of No-Xplode for a while. It also tastes real good.
3) Controlled Labs White Flood (Lemonade) - The first time I took this I felt like a super hero, but within a week it's effects on my body we minimal. Also, as you get to the bottom of your drink it tastes like pure metal which was pretty disgusting. I used 1 tub and never bought again.

As far as creatine I stick with Amplified Creatine 189 (Creatine Hydrochloride). It is actually a new creatine developed by GNC and it doesn't force your body to retain as much water as creatine monohydrate. My goal was to become more lean and strong without looking puffy and it worked pretty well although I did notice some water retention. Also, once I started taking this stuff I began to lift tons more weight than previously. There is also creatine EE that is very effective, but it tastes like death (LITERALLY!!!). I've tried all of these at one point or another.

As far as after-workout drinks I have had the best results with:
1) Amplified Wheybolic Extreme 60 (Banana or strawberry) - A great mix of everything your body needs to recover including tons of amino acids and 60g of protein isolate per serving. Yes it is expensive but you tend to get what you pay for in the world of supplements. It doesn't taste great but it is much better tasting than other protein mixes I've had.
2) Afterglow (Mixed fruit???) - This post workout drink was really expensive and it worked; however, Wheybolic Extreme works a lot better. The greatest thing about this drink was that it was a tasty treat, but it only contained 20-25g of protein per serving which clearly wasn't enough. I think the two things went hand-in-hand.

Quick Note: If you take any of these supplements make sure you drink tons of water. If you don't these supplements can and will mess with your head. If you are looking to get cut you're best bet is to "bulk" up first by consuming tons calories and protein while spending all your time on weights. When doing weights make sure you concentrate on core exercises. After you reach a good size/build you're next step is to cut your weight (decrease your bodyfat %) by sticking to a strict diet, doings tons of cardio, and lifting less weight more times. I used hydroxycut hardcore during my cutting stage and it definately worked; however, this stuff is pretty much poison for your body and I would not recommend it.

Good luck.