Monta Ellis..

[HarlemHeat37]

Warriors are apparently aggressively pursuing suitors for Ellis..

some Warriors fans seem to think a Dallas/Howard deal(with fillers to make it work) could be the best option..

what do Mavs fans think about this?..

[Findog]

I would do it at this point because Marion is a suitable replacement at SF and you never know when Josh is going to be right again, ankle-wise. He's 29 years old, so it's not like he's going to get better. On paper, Josh is the perfect complement to Dirk because he excels at what Dirk doesn't. But he hasn't been able to stay healthy for a long time. He had ankle surgery 6 months ago and he still isn't ready to play?

A healthy Josh and I'd say no way. But that's not the case.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

Howard is so injury prone why would any team wanna take a chance on him? Dallas would have to get 40 cents on the dollar when it involves Howard at this point.

[AussieFanKurt]

Too hard to say. I'm no mavs fan but it could be good or bad

[endrity]

We would have an excess of PGs in our team, all asking for playing time. Even if I suppose JJB gets put of the rotation with this, then you still have Kidd, Jet, Roddy and Monta demanding playing time, and neither is a great defender for big 2s. We would be quite undersized, though quick, in the backcourt with this move.

On the other hand I don't think the Mavs FO is willing to part with either Kidd or Jet for this move.

It's tough, if they go for it they better have good plan for the future.

[HarlemHeat37]

Well the Warriors desperately need wing players right now..

both Raja Bell and Azu are out for the season..

I'm guessing Golden State would just take the risk, and if he doesn't play well enough, his contract expires in 2 off-seasons anyways..it goes off the books at the same time as the Radmanovic contract they just acquired, so they could have some serious cap dump..

It would be interesting to see whether Dallas would do it though..Ellis is a very talented player when his head is on straight, and he gives the Mavs something they don't have right now(well Barea plays the same style, but he's obviously nowhere as talented as Ellis in any way)..

[IronMexican]

Be a real good move for Dallas.

[Findog]

We would have an excess of PGs in our team, all asking for playing time. Even if I suppose JJB gets put of the rotation with this, then you still have Kidd, Jet, Roddy and Monta demanding playing time, and neither is a great defender for big 2s. We would be quite undersized, though quick, in the backcourt with this move.

On the other hand I don't think the Mavs FO is willing to part with either Kidd or Jet for this move.

It's tough, if they go for it they better have good plan for the future.

Ellis would slide over to the 2 and start. Kidd would guard 2's and Ellis would guard 1's.

[urunobili]

Ellis would make the Mavs tougher against the Spurs since he = Devin Harris

[djohn2oo8]

He'll probably end up in Orlando, since Jameer is out 4-6 weeks

[endrity]

Ellis would slide over to the 2 and start. Kidd would guard 2's and Ellis would guard 1's.

That would be a beating on JKidd's old legs. You can't ask him to be the main creator on offense and probably the lead guard defender at this age. I would rather see the Mavs go after a legit 2/3 if they trade Howard or another big man to pair with Dirk. You can never have enough size :)

[dirk4mvp]

Ellis would make the Mavs tougher against the Spurs since he = Devin Harris

He's a lot better than Devin Harris. Not even close.

[Red Hawk #21]

Too hard to say. I'm no mavs fan but it could be good or bad

"It could be good or bad" great analysis there lol

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

"It could be good or bad" great analysis there lol


I think the team that scores more points will win.

[JamStone]

That would be a beating on JKidd's old legs. You can't ask him to be the main creator on offense and probably the lead guard defender at this age. I would rather see the Mavs go after a legit 2/3 if they trade Howard or another big man to pair with Dirk. You can never have enough size :)

Same shit with the really quick point guards too anyway.

Not that he's an all world defender still, but Marion can match up against the primary wing player (2/3), Ellis guard the fast point guards, and Kidd take the slowest/least athletic of the three perimeter guys on the opposing team.

It's not like that's not what they do or should do when Kidd and Terry or Kidd and Bobo or Kidd and JJ are out on the court at the same time anyway. Same shit.

[bostonguy]

Ellis would slide over to the 2 and start. Kidd would guard 2's and Ellis would guard 1's.

Don't you worry about that backcourt being pretty undersized tho?

[Findog]

Don't you worry about that backcourt being pretty undersized tho?

See Jamstone's post right above yours.

[admiralsnackbar]

He's a lot better than Devin Harris. Not even close.

It's close so far this season -- very similar production. Harris is a better defender by far, though.

[bostonguy]

See Jamstone's post right above yours.

Well having Marion does make that difference.

[Darthkiller]

beaubois = younger ellis. dont see why dallas would do this.

[dirk4mvp]

It's close so far this season -- very similar production. Harris is a better defender by far, though.

One playoff series doesn't make you a great defender.

[Indazone]

Sources: Ellis' agent, team to meet

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Although the dysfunction level of the Golden State Warriors (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/clubhouse?team=gsw) no doubt declined with Monday's trade of disgruntled veteran Stephen Jackson (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=378), sources close to the team say it certainly did not disappear.
Leading scorer Monta Ellis (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=2751) now replaces Jackson as the most irritated Warrior, and according to league sources, Ellis' agent, Jeff Fried, will meet with Golden State management Thursday to discuss his future (or lack thereof) with the club.


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Fried could not be reached for comment, and it's not clear whether he will ask the Warriors to trade his client. But sources said Ellis has been telling teammates on a regular basis that he wants out of Golden State, and he believes general manager Larry Riley has spoken to several teams about potential trades involving him.


Riley said he is aware of Fried's visit to the Bay Area, but he would not confirm a scheduled meeting. Sources say team owner Chris Cohan and president Robert Rowell also may meet with Fried.


Riley said there is no situation, regarding Ellis or any other player, that approaches the seriousness of the Jackson controversy, but he did not deny that the Warriors may pursue other trades.

[+] Enlargehttp://a.espncdn.com/photo/2009/1117/nba_g_arandolph1_200.jpg (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/#) Rocky Widner/NBAE/Getty ImagesRising talent Anthony Randolph, worried about consistency and his role, has joined the chorus of disenchanted voices.



"I don't have anything going right now in regards to trading people," Riley said in a telephone conversation Tuesday afternoon. "I will be working to improve our team throughout the rest of this year, and that process will be started quickly. I felt we had to get the first thing out of the way first. Are we in a position to not do anything? We're 3-6. I can't afford not to be talking to people. We're 3-6 and we need to continue to evaluate our roster."

Meetings with supposedly peeved employees are becoming a regular part of Riley's job description this season. Less than two weeks ago, representatives for Anthony Randolph (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=3455) met with Riley to discuss the second-year player's growing discontent.

Randolph, whom many of the league's coaches and executives view as one of the top young talents in the league, is upset about the lack of consistency regarding his position and role on the team, according to sources.



Riley, however, denied that Randolph is angry.

"Anthony is happy," Riley said. "Things are fine. He's getting a lot of playing time right now and continuing to grow. He fits into our future."
Despite Riley's pronouncements, though, coach Don Nelson's roller-coaster use of Randolph continues. For instance, after averaging 20 points and 10 rebounds in games against Minnesota and Indiana last week, Randolph played only six minutes in the next game, against the Knicks.

The lanky 6-10, 210-pound forward is also unhappy about being moved to the center position, according to sources close to the team.
The acquisition of Vladimir Radmanovic (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=1016), who joined the Warriors as part of the Jackson trade, also concerns Randolph, who expects his minutes to drop with Radmanovic aboard.

Ellis, who averages 19.3 points per game, is angry for some of the same reasons Jackson had. Sources say that during the summer, Warriors management told both players they planned to build around them and that they would trade the No. 7 pick in last summer's draft for a veteran who would put the club in immediate playoff contention.



When the Warriors instead selected Stephen Curry (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=3975) with the seventh pick, Jackson and Ellis felt betrayed, believing the team had lied to them and was now going in the direction of rebuilding with youth.

"The players are really questioning whether they can trust the organization," a person with knowledge of the situation said. "They're tired of Nellie's mind games. They think all he cares about is winning 21 more games, even if it means going 21-61. The environment there is terrible."


Nelson, who has 1,312 regular-season victories, needs 21 more wins to surpass Lenny Wilkens as the winningest regular-season coach in NBA history.

Chris Broussard covers the NBA for ESPN The Magazine.

[crc21209]

Monta to Dallas wont happen....we've heard so many rumors about Josh Howard going here and there, but it never gets done. Why? Because Josh Howard hasnt been fully healthy in about 2 seasons...this guy is used goods already. :td

[Indazone]

Yeah Ellis and Jackson are just a symptom of the dysfunction that is the Golden State Warriors. It started when Baron Davis jumped ship. What the warriors needed was a big man but the GSW's didn't even come close to getting a player like that.

[JamStone]

Monta Ellis
Speedy Claxton

for

Peja Stojakovic
Julian Wright

[Shank]

They won't trade Josh. They love him too much. I don't get it.

[DPG21920]

I don't think it would be a great fit for spacing issues. But overall, pretty good deal. I think Miami should trade for him. Pair him and Wade up. I know there will be some spacing issues there as well, but damn, that would be an athletic back court.

[jacobdrj]

If I am the Mavs, I do this in an instant! Getting rid of 'Stupid Head' can only improve a team. Adding a player of Monta's caliber wouldn't hurt either.

I don't see why GSW does this, except to get rid of a malcontent and perhaps replacing the so called versatility of S-Jax for Nelly's moronic system. I guess one 'Stupid Head' deserves another...

[HarlemHeat37]

Is Josh Howard "stupid head"?..

Monta Ellis might be the stupidest player in the NBA..he's probably in the top 3..

[Lars]

Jesus Christ, the Warriors are a disaster of a franchise.

[noob cake]

Jesus Christ, the Warriors are a disaster of a franchise.

Indeed, all of a sudden the Clippers look like a legit promising NBA franchise.

Grizzlies are adding cancerous players to their roster at an alarming rate. I predict that later on in the season, Grizzlies will become GSW v2.
GSW's cancerous core is eating away the franchise.

[jacobdrj]

Is Josh Howard "stupid head"?..

Monta Ellis might be the stupidest player in the NBA..he's probably in the top 3..
Yes, yesh he is.

As far as Monta, if the Mavs are trading 1 'stupid head' for another, than I would be against this as well. But even Josh 'Stupid Head' Howard had a honeymoon with the Mavs, maybe they could take advantage of that with Ellis.

[mogrovejo]

Warriors are apparently aggressively pursuing suitors for Ellis..

some Warriors fans seem to think a Dallas/Howard deal(with fillers to make it work) could be the best option..

what do Mavs fans think about this?..

I don't believe the Warriors do that deal.

Ellis for Z + West + pick
Ellis for Boozer + Harpring
Ellis for Blount + Sessions + Pekovic draft rights

[djohn2oo8]

And to think it was only 2 years ago that Mavs got raped by GS

[badfish22]

And to think it was only 2 years ago that Mavs got raped by GS

Ever since Houston was finally able to win a Playoff series houston fans have been awfully confident.

[djohn2oo8]

Ever since Houston was finally able to win a Playoff series houston fans have been awfully confident.

It's probably because we don't have imaginary trophies

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Ellis is the far better player, younger, less injury-prone. You pull the trigger on that ASAP if you're Dallas, but I think the Warriors could get better value.

[sribb43]

Howard is so injury prone why would any team wanna take a chance on him? Dallas would have to get 40 cents on the dollar when it involves Howard at this point.

Expiring contract....

[duhoh]

It's close so far this season -- very similar production. Harris is a better defender by far, though.

ellis is miles ahead of devin harris:wakeup